Re: Oregon
Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2020 4:42 pm
I know you're just trolling everything basketball related but I'm referring to accumulating highly ranked bigsSCCats wrote:What, being good?prh wrote:Hmm. We tried that onceazgreg wrote:
I know you're just trolling everything basketball related but I'm referring to accumulating highly ranked bigsSCCats wrote:What, being good?prh wrote:Hmm. We tried that onceazgreg wrote:
Think it has to do in part with how quickly Lloyd can start winning. Like, contending for a Pac title and getting to the 2nd weekend of the tourney. Oregon has been doing that consistently for nearly a decade, and they got to a FF recently.Chicat wrote: Tue Jun 22, 2021 6:15 pm How long do you guys think it will take us to get back to being in the running for kids like this?
I heard we had two five star recruits visit over the past six days (Jaden Bradley and Shaedon Sharpe). Don’t know how realistic getting them is. But I guess it’s wait and see on tommy boy.Chicat wrote: Tue Jun 22, 2021 6:15 pm How long do you guys think it will take us to get back to being in the running for kids like this?
It’s not about what Arizona fans think he is. The recruits seem to have formed their own opinion and they like what he’s selling.ByJoveByJingle wrote: Wed Jun 23, 2021 10:04 pm How long will it take for Altman to continue to underperform with the kinds of recruits he gets before Arizona fans realize he isn’t what they think he is?
If Lloyd ends up being a flop as a HC, it could be a long, long time.Chicat wrote: Tue Jun 22, 2021 6:15 pm How long do you guys think it will take us to get back to being in the running for kids like this?
BBQ wildcat wrote: Thu Jun 24, 2021 8:29 amIf Lloyd ends up being a flop as a HC, it could be a long, long time.Chicat wrote: Tue Jun 22, 2021 6:15 pm How long do you guys think it will take us to get back to being in the running for kids like this?
My worry is that without that experience as the head guy running a major program, some recruits might automatically cross us off their list. And that’s not just about coaching the team on game day.azcat49 wrote: Thu Jun 24, 2021 9:46 am I just don’t see why there is question about Lloyd succeeding at AZ. I think the program will self sustain given our recruiting advantages.
I know he has never been the lead guy but his recruiting history points to a high level. His schemes seem to be enjoyable to watch and to play in. Unless he just rolls the ball out there and doesn’t teach or coach I just can’t see him not succeeding to at least the Miller level of performance
By that measure, Miller was a Hall of Famer before the ESPN hit piece.Chicat wrote: Thu Jun 24, 2021 4:52 amIt’s not about what Arizona fans think he is. The recruits seem to have formed their own opinion and they like what he’s selling.ByJoveByJingle wrote: Wed Jun 23, 2021 10:04 pm How long will it take for Altman to continue to underperform with the kinds of recruits he gets before Arizona fans realize he isn’t what they think he is?
5 years ago by the time the next FF rolls around. I recall a number of things going their way in that run. Squeaked by Rhode Island and Michigan. If they call Dorsey for his travel on the spin move for the game winner they have 0 final fours to go with all those five star recruits. Those are the breaks of the game. Miller and Arizona didn’t get them, Altman and Oregon did at the right time. I’m not saying he’s not a good coach. But if he coached at Arizona the natives would have been getting restless by now. Instead the natives have a hard-on for his coaching genius.84Cat wrote: Thu Jun 24, 2021 8:40 am Oregon did make a ff a few years ago so I'm not sure he is under achieving. Also, as we saw with CSM, 5 star athletes don't always lead to on court success
That doesn’t make a whole lot of sense, but ok.ByJoveByJingle wrote: Thu Jun 24, 2021 10:45 amBy that measure, Miller was a Hall of Famer before the ESPN hit piece.Chicat wrote: Thu Jun 24, 2021 4:52 amIt’s not about what Arizona fans think he is. The recruits seem to have formed their own opinion and they like what he’s selling.ByJoveByJingle wrote: Wed Jun 23, 2021 10:04 pm How long will it take for Altman to continue to underperform with the kinds of recruits he gets before Arizona fans realize he isn’t what they think he is?
I don’t get what you don’t get, but ok. You say the recruits have spoken—he’s a great coach. Well by that measure, the recruits spoke and Sean Miller was a great coach. Yet, to many here he wasn’t. Obviously it’s more nuanced than that—as in Nike cash, facilities and handlers playing a role in where recruits want to be.Chicat wrote: Thu Jun 24, 2021 11:01 amThat doesn’t make a whole lot of sense, but ok.ByJoveByJingle wrote: Thu Jun 24, 2021 10:45 amBy that measure, Miller was a Hall of Famer before the ESPN hit piece.Chicat wrote: Thu Jun 24, 2021 4:52 amIt’s not about what Arizona fans think he is. The recruits seem to have formed their own opinion and they like what he’s selling.ByJoveByJingle wrote: Wed Jun 23, 2021 10:04 pm How long will it take for Altman to continue to underperform with the kinds of recruits he gets before Arizona fans realize he isn’t what they think he is?
Ducks have beaten the Cats 7 straight games, with the last UA win being 1/13/2018.gronk4heisman wrote: Thu Jun 24, 2021 11:02 am Say what you will, but Altman clearly coached circles around Sean Miller during his tenure.
I never said Altman was a great coach.ByJoveByJingle wrote: Fri Jun 25, 2021 10:31 amI don’t get what you don’t get, but ok. You say the recruits have spoken—he’s a great coach. Well by that measure, the recruits spoke and Sean Miller was a great coach. Yet, to many here he wasn’t. Obviously it’s more nuanced than that—as in Nike cash, facilities and handlers playing a role in where recruits want to be.Chicat wrote: Thu Jun 24, 2021 11:01 amThat doesn’t make a whole lot of sense, but ok.ByJoveByJingle wrote: Thu Jun 24, 2021 10:45 amBy that measure, Miller was a Hall of Famer before the ESPN hit piece.Chicat wrote: Thu Jun 24, 2021 4:52 amIt’s not about what Arizona fans think he is. The recruits seem to have formed their own opinion and they like what he’s selling.ByJoveByJingle wrote: Wed Jun 23, 2021 10:04 pm How long will it take for Altman to continue to underperform with the kinds of recruits he gets before Arizona fans realize he isn’t what they think he is?
Miller was the 3rd fastest to 300 wins. Behind only Lute and Hec and ahead of John Wooden. If he performs to this level I don't think any of us will complain. Add in a couple of conference titles and tourney championships you will hear no complaints here but that is a tall order.azcat49 wrote: Thu Jun 24, 2021 9:46 am I just don’t see why there is question about Lloyd succeeding at AZ. I think the program will self sustain given our recruiting advantages.
I know he has never been the lead guy but his recruiting history points to a high level. His schemes seem to be enjoyable to watch and to play in. Unless he just rolls the ball out there and doesn’t teach or coach I just can’t see him not succeeding to at least the Miller level of performance
Agree 100%, azcat.azcat49 wrote: Thu Jun 24, 2021 9:46 am I just don’t see why there is question about Lloyd succeeding at AZ. I think the program will self sustain given our recruiting advantages.
I know he has never been the lead guy but his recruiting history points to a high level. His schemes seem to be enjoyable to watch and to play in. Unless he just rolls the ball out there and doesn’t teach or coach I just can’t see him not succeeding to at least the Miller level of performance
It is a tall order trusting your kid to uncertainty when he has proven commodities wanting to coach them. Only success and playing style is going to change that as well as signing other really good players. It will be harder to do if you have instability in your staff especially if that person was a lead recruiter of a kid.Beachcat97 wrote: Sat Jun 26, 2021 8:56 amAgree 100%, azcat.azcat49 wrote: Thu Jun 24, 2021 9:46 am I just don’t see why there is question about Lloyd succeeding at AZ. I think the program will self sustain given our recruiting advantages.
I know he has never been the lead guy but his recruiting history points to a high level. His schemes seem to be enjoyable to watch and to play in. Unless he just rolls the ball out there and doesn’t teach or coach I just can’t see him not succeeding to at least the Miller level of performance
1. He was recruiting kids to play for a proven, successful head coach. He now has to recruit kids to play for a HC with no HC experience. Will he be able to do that?azcat49 wrote: Thu Jun 24, 2021 9:46 am I just don’t see why there is question about Lloyd succeeding at AZ. I think the program will self sustain given our recruiting advantages.
I know he has never been the lead guy but his recruiting history points to a high level. His schemes seem to be enjoyable to watch and to play in. Unless he just rolls the ball out there and doesn’t teach or coach I just can’t see him not succeeding to at least the Miller level of performance
THEY'RE NOT THAT GOODMrBug708 wrote: Wed Nov 17, 2021 9:10 pm My guess is Oregon probably figures it out by conference time. Too many new faces trying to get acclimated.
YoDeFoe wrote: Thu Nov 18, 2021 4:59 pmTHEY'RE NOT THAT GOODMrBug708 wrote: Wed Nov 17, 2021 9:10 pm My guess is Oregon probably figures it out by conference time. Too many new faces trying to get acclimated.
Devion Harman still can't shoot. Quincy Guerrier left Syracuse so he could be featured as a perimeter player for Oregon and he's playing center (and also, he still can't shoot). Jacob Young is still a high volume low efficiency midget. Nate Bittle is so far from being college ready that his stat line is 0pts, 0ast, 0rebs, 1blk, 5fls. Dante is still coming off of an ACL tear.
Replacing 75% of your team is HARD. If you don't have real horses and you start taking some losses... that team chemistry thing goes right out the window. Looking forward to them limping through the Maui.