Bear Down Wildcats

Alieberman wrote: Mon Feb 28, 2022 3:23 pmWell?

Longhorned wrote: Thu Mar 10, 2022 8:01 am The list of Robbins' failures were mounting and even now continues to unfold (see $22,000,000 judgement from California court just this week).

EVCat wrote: Thu Mar 10, 2022 7:47 am This thread should forever be preserved as an example of how even learned, intelligent fans let their own feels get in the way, and overanalyze a small set of data in a way favorable to those feels and extrapolate that over the future.

UAEebs86 wrote: Thu Mar 10, 2022 8:04 am

Longhorned wrote: Thu Mar 10, 2022 8:01 am The list of Robbins' failures were mounting and even now continues to unfold (see $22,000,000 judgement from California court just this week).

Can you post a link to this?

Chicat wrote: Thu Mar 10, 2022 8:29 am

EVCat wrote: Thu Mar 10, 2022 7:47 am This thread should forever be preserved as an example of how even learned, intelligent fans let their own feels get in the way, and overanalyze a small set of data in a way favorable to those feels and extrapolate that over the future.

Let’s just hope that your post doesn’t need to be preserved as an example of how even learned, intelligent fans let their own feels get in the way, and overanalyze a small set of data in a way favorable to those feels and extrapolate that over the future.

ie: We all start thumping our chests over two recruits after a truly incredible season but Tommy doesn’t make the necessary inroads into West Coast AAU and we struggle to recruit in 2024-2026.

I certainly hope we can all look back on this thread and just shake our heads and smile, but premature extrapolation can work both ways.

RondaeShimmy wrote: Thu Mar 10, 2022 9:32 amHe's still going to lose out on guys like Payton Watson and Jalen Green and Josh Christopher, but not necessarily the worst thing.

RondaeShimmy wrote: Thu Mar 10, 2022 10:22 am I'm just saying, there's guys that aren't coming here no matter what.

Alieberman wrote: Thu Mar 10, 2022 10:58 am It's easy.

When he gets the recruits we want... he can recruit.

When he misses on recruits we want... he cannot.

prh wrote: Thu Mar 10, 2022 9:16 am

UAEebs86 wrote: Thu Mar 10, 2022 8:04 am

Longhorned wrote: Thu Mar 10, 2022 8:01 am The list of Robbins' failures were mounting and even now continues to unfold (see $22,000,000 judgement from California court just this week).

Can you post a link to this?

Looks like this

https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/lo ... 425487002/
https://oag.ca.gov/news/press-releases/ ... -penalties

Curious how much of this falls to UA and how much to the former parent company? That's unclear to me

But also, fuck Robbins

Longhorned wrote: Thu Mar 10, 2022 11:09 am

prh wrote: Thu Mar 10, 2022 9:16 am

UAEebs86 wrote: Thu Mar 10, 2022 8:04 am

Longhorned wrote: Thu Mar 10, 2022 8:01 am The list of Robbins' failures were mounting and even now continues to unfold (see $22,000,000 judgement from California court just this week).

Can you post a link to this?

Looks like this

https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/lo ... 425487002/
https://oag.ca.gov/news/press-releases/ ... -penalties

Curious how much of this falls to UA and how much to the former parent company? That's unclear to me

But also, fuck Robbins

It falls on for-profit Ashford and the former parent company, not U of A. The decision to buy Ashford in light of its illegal and predatory practices falls on U of A. Beyond liability and viability, it's also the moral issue of a public university purchasing an institution that's profited off of defrauding students, including mostly low-income, military, and marginalized students. It sullies our name.

EVCat wrote: Thu Mar 10, 2022 7:47 am This thread should forever be preserved as an example of how even learned, intelligent fans let their own feels get in the way, and overanalyze a small set of data in a way favorable to those feels and extrapolate that over the future. Lloyd couldn't tie down Akinjo (jeez), or overcome a year of recruiting in a couple of weeks selling a program with questions and sanctions looming to TyTy, and didn't turn on the spigot of low impact transfers left in the tank, so he's a lazy, unproven, maybe failed recruiter who is just "laaa-deee-daaa" with a ton of scholies open and doom impending at the end of this year.

The counter always was "guy just got in the seat, he has a history of being able to talk kids into the school he works for, may approach rosters different than Miller, and was successful in re-recruiting every Cat in the transfer portal that he, a, had a chance to keep, and b, wanted to keep". He didn't panic and start filling the roster with, who, exactly? What transfers were potentially worth it, given what he is doing now, that he ignored? This isn't hindsight...his success keeping the roster together and even getting within reaching distance of TyTy were both excellent signs of his capabilities in this regard. He had some pretty tough headwinds, and it took establishing who we were with the guys we have, first, before he was going to be able to sell our future to anyone not already playing here. He is a 1st time head coach. He couldn't sell what he hadn't done yet, not at an elite recruit level. That was, clearly, something he saw very clear eyed, and had a plan, and people jumped him before he ever had a chance to show out. It'd be one thing if we went through a season and he still wasn't recruiting, but the man had just gotten here, and assembled a roster, and there were some who were judging his future on the ability to Zoom call TyTy into an Arizona jersey before he even had the desk he ordered for his office.

They were all good questions...would he be able to recruit as a new coach? They were open questions until recently. But nothing that happened, or didn't happen yet, at any point so early in his tenure gave reasonable evidence for concern. That's where fans, rightfully mad at how the Miller exchange went down, let their feels get in the way of reasoned discourse. It's what message boards are for. Which is why we should remember this thread as a great example of when even the smartest of fans get a little sideways, of why maybe the it isn't time to jump onto the snowball rolling downhill...

GlobalCat wrote: Thu Mar 10, 2022 11:12 pm

Longhorned wrote: Thu Mar 10, 2022 11:09 am

prh wrote: Thu Mar 10, 2022 9:16 am

UAEebs86 wrote: Thu Mar 10, 2022 8:04 am

Longhorned wrote: Thu Mar 10, 2022 8:01 am The list of Robbins' failures were mounting and even now continues to unfold (see $22,000,000 judgement from California court just this week).

Can you post a link to this?

Looks like this

https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/lo ... 425487002/
https://oag.ca.gov/news/press-releases/ ... -penalties

Curious how much of this falls to UA and how much to the former parent company? That's unclear to me

But also, fuck Robbins

It falls on for-profit Ashford and the former parent company, not U of A. The decision to buy Ashford in light of its illegal and predatory practices falls on U of A. Beyond liability and viability, it's also the moral issue of a public university purchasing an institution that's profited off of defrauding students, including mostly low-income, military, and marginalized students. It sullies our name.

Larry Penley (head of ABOR) tried similar ventures in the past with other schools in which he had a leadership role. I’d be stunned if he wasn’t the major driver here.

Chicat wrote: Thu Mar 10, 2022 8:29 am

EVCat wrote: Thu Mar 10, 2022 7:47 am This thread should forever be preserved as an example of how even learned, intelligent fans let their own feels get in the way, and overanalyze a small set of data in a way favorable to those feels and extrapolate that over the future.

Let’s just hope that your post doesn’t need to be preserved as an example of how even learned, intelligent fans let their own feels get in the way, and overanalyze a small set of data in a way favorable to those feels and extrapolate that over the future.

ie: We all start thumping our chests over two recruits after a truly incredible season but Tommy doesn’t make the necessary inroads into West Coast AAU and we struggle to recruit in 2024-2026.

I certainly hope we can all look back on this thread and just shake our heads and smile, but premature extrapolation can work both ways.

Spaceman Spiff wrote: Fri Mar 11, 2022 7:29 am

Chicat wrote: Thu Mar 10, 2022 8:29 am

EVCat wrote: Thu Mar 10, 2022 7:47 am This thread should forever be preserved as an example of how even learned, intelligent fans let their own feels get in the way, and overanalyze a small set of data in a way favorable to those feels and extrapolate that over the future.

Let’s just hope that your post doesn’t need to be preserved as an example of how even learned, intelligent fans let their own feels get in the way, and overanalyze a small set of data in a way favorable to those feels and extrapolate that over the future.

ie: We all start thumping our chests over two recruits after a truly incredible season but Tommy doesn’t make the necessary inroads into West Coast AAU and we struggle to recruit in 2024-2026.

I certainly hope we can all look back on this thread and just shake our heads and smile, but premature extrapolation can work both ways.

Bottom line is long term success requires consistently bringing talent in.

When Lloyd missed on a few, it wasn't the end of the line because there was leftover talent and as long as he started ramping up in a year or two, it could be fine.

Boswell and Lewis show he can get high level talent, the consistency of that over time is what the test is. If 23 is the first in line of consistent recruiting results, Lloyd will be in a great place. If it's an outlier, not so much.

A single class doesn't make or break his tenure.