Cats can't compete regularly in recruiting with the big schools & their money

[Chicat]

We're not even competitive with Kansas State.

Oh, were we competing with KState for Hawkins? Glad we lost that battle.

Or is it your contention that we should be throwing $2M at middling players so we can finish 10th in the conference?

You really aren't very bright, are you??

The point I am making is that KSU has $2M to cough up.....just for one player. The UA is not in that league.
It points to how hard it is going to be for UA football/basketball coaches to compete in this new environment.

You’re really a sad sack, aren’t you?

You don’t know what percentage of their total budget went to that one player and you have no goddamn idea of their NIL for basketball this year was larger than ours. But because you get an erection every time you get the opportunity to spread some doom and gloom, here you are… even if the results say that we’d ALL rather have our team than theirs.

[dmjcat]

We're not even competitive with Kansas State.

Oh, were we competing with KState for Hawkins? Glad we lost that battle.

Or is it your contention that we should be throwing $2M at middling players so we can finish 10th in the conference?

You really aren't very bright, are you??

The point I am making is that KSU has $2M to cough up.....just for one player. The UA is not in that league.
It points to how hard it is going to be for UA football/basketball coaches to compete in this new environment.

You’re really a sad sack, aren’t you?

You don’t know what percentage of their total budget went to that one player and you have no goddamn idea of their NIL for basketball this year was larger than ours. But because you get an erection every time you get the opportunity to spread some doom and gloom, here you are… even if the results say that we’d ALL rather have our team than theirs.

No, just realistic without my head sticking up my ass like you.

Regarding KSU's NIL budget please tell us all about it. I'm sure you are a message board expert on the subject.

Even a 6th grader with limited intelligence can deduce that if KSU can pay one player 3 times what we are paying Caleb Love then there is a obvious gap between the programs. But then again, you don't match up with the average 6th grader.

[Chicat]

Regarding KSU's NIL budget please tell us all about it.

So you have no clue. That tracks.

[Merkin]

Hope he banked that money, he probably played himself out of the draft.

[dmjcat]

Regarding KSU's NIL budget please tell us all about it.

So you have no clue. That tracks.

I certainly have more than a few clues that you aren't too bright.

But I already knew that.

[Chicat]

Whoa, sick burn. Glad you didn’t hit me with a “I know you are but what am I?”. I may have never recovered.

[EastCoastCat]

[dmjcat]

Whoa, sick burn. Glad you didn’t hit me with a “I know you are but what am I?”. I may have never recovered.

Too bad I'm living in your head rent free. Its a really low-rent area.

Come back if you want to get owned some more.

[Chicat]

if KSU can pay one player 3 times what we are paying Caleb Love then there is a obvious gap between the programs.

Just to bring it back to your assumptions here, but you do realize that Caleb’s NIL is coming from one donor and it was just to bring Caleb back, right? This wasn’t money that was earmarked to go elsewhere and then Tommy and the staff decided to spend it on Love. You do know that, right?

Assuming you do know that, I’m curious why that is your comparison? What that one booster worked out with Love had no bearing on the rest of our NIL. On top of that, there was no talk of UA being in on Hawkins so it’s not like we were outbid for him.

So what’s your point? Arizona didn’t make a bad call by throwing $2M at a guy who would not have improved our team and would have made the PF/C a logjam? Or that Arizona successfully spread their NIL budget around to get the guys who transferred in and to pay the ones already here?

You just assumed that KState has more NIL money because you saw Hawkins’s price tag. What you don’t seem to have considered was what else they needed. Were they able to get those pieces? Was that $2M an actual wise investment? Could they have spread that money around and picked up 3-4 guys that would have helped more? The knee-jerk reaction to what Hawkins got paid is like crying because your neighbor bought a corvette when what he really needed was a minivan and then feeling sorry for yourself and your inability to make the same purchase while his family starves.

[dmjcat]

if KSU can pay one player 3 times what we are paying Caleb Love then there is a obvious gap between the programs.

Just to bring it back to your assumptions here, but you do realize that Caleb’s NIL is coming from one donor and it was just to bring Caleb back, right? This wasn’t money that was earmarked to go elsewhere and then Tommy and the staff decided to spend it on Love. You do know that, right?

Assuming you do know that, I’m curious why that is your comparison? What that one booster worked out with Love had no bearing on the rest of our NIL. On top of that, there was no talk of UA being in on Hawkins so it’s not like we were outbid for him.

So what’s your point? Arizona didn’t make a bad call by throwing $2M at a guy who would not have improved our team and would have made the PF/C a logjam? Or that Arizona successfully spread their NIL budget around to get the guys who transferred in and to pay the ones already here?

You just assumed that KState has more NIL money because you saw Hawkins’s price tag. What you don’t seem to have considered was what else they needed. Were they able to get those pieces? Was that $2M an actual wise investment? Could they have spread that money around and picked up 3-4 guys that would have helped more? The knee-jerk reaction to what Hawkins got paid is like crying because your neighbor bought a corvette when what he really needed was a minivan and then feeling sorry for yourself and your inability to make the same purchase while his family starves.

My God you are dense.

For the 3rd time I was merely pointing out that KSUI is forking over 3X what we are paying our highest NIL player, and that this sort of thing is going to be next to impossible for the UA to ever match.

Serious question: Are you bipolar by any chance?

[Merkin]

Just wanted to add that no one knows how much anyone makes in NIL, those are all private contracts outside the realm of universities where all state schools have public finance laws. These are just numbers leaked out by agents trying to recruit more players to their fold.

And even if they did pay him $2M, don't you think KSU regrets it? Ending up 16-17.

He just ended up being the last decent big in the portal and they ended up winning, or perhaps losing, the bidding war.

UA can't compete with that!

[84Cat]

Indiana didn't make the tournament either

[dovecanyoncat]

NIL$ is sorta like Dark Pool stock market transactions.

[Chicat]

Serious question: Are you bipolar by any chance?

Seriously tired of the personal attacks. If you can’t discuss and disagree like an adult, you can fuck off. It’s not my fault you make shitty arguments that have no basis in fact and then get butthurt when I point out that your logic is flawed.

Congrats, you know that $2M is more than $750k. Basic math is actually within your mental capabilities! But you still don’t know whether KSU’s NIL is more than Arizona’s. All you’ve established is that Arizona used their NIL with better effect and had a better season. You’re acting like KSU got Hawkins and dominated the league. So fucking dumb.

[Merkin]

All you’ve established is that Arizona used their NIL with better effect and had a better season. You’re acting like KSU got Hawkins and dominated the league. So fucking dumb.

[dmjcat]

Serious question: Are you bipolar by any chance?

Seriously tired of the personal attacks. If you can’t discuss and disagree like an adult, you can fuck off. It’s not my fault you make shitty arguments that have no basis in fact and then get butthurt when I point out that your logic is flawed.

Congrats, you know that $2M is more than $750k. Basic math is actually within your mental capabilities! But you still don’t know whether KSU’s NIL is more than Arizona’s. All you’ve established is that Arizona used their NIL with better effect and had a better season. You’re acting like KSU got Hawkins and dominated the league. So fucking dumb.

LOL, I never said anything of the sort.

Congratulations on proving once again that you have the reading comprehension of a pre-schooler coupled with the IQ of a radish.

[AZCatGirl]

Then why are you making such a big deal out of K-State wasting $2 million? Ever think we could spend that if we wanted to but we aren't as dumb as them?

[EastCoastCat]

I have no idea how this even turned into an argument. A lot like some of the conversations with my wife…

[azgreg]

Another way to look at it is maybe schools like KSU just have to pay more than other schools for the same player.

[Chicat]

I have no idea how this even turned into an argument.

That’s easy…

Some people see a player getting a huge deal and run here to tell us that Arizona is DOOMED because we can’t compete in this new NIL era.

Other people then ask questions like was that player worth that amount? Were we after that player or could we have used him? How did the school handing out such large sums do with that player? Did Arizona actually lose out by not offering that amount or did they do better spreading it around? And then the first people get all hurt that someone would dare question their doom & gloom proclamation and start calling those other people stupid, because they are big ol’ babies throwing tantrums.

I personally don’t think any player should be getting $2M+ unless they are a generational talent (Flagg) AND there are already the pieces on the team to complete a winning squad and still compete if that player gets hurt.

I’m not jealous of KSU. They did it wrong. I’m jealous of Duke. Tell me we can’t compete with the Blue Devils for top end recruits and I have no choice but to agree. Tell me we can’t compete with Kansas State and I’m going to laugh in your face.

[dovecanyoncat]

Price is what you pay.
Value is what you get.

[gronk4heisman]

LOL, I never said anything of the sort.

Congratulations on proving once again that you have the reading comprehension of a pre-schooler coupled with the IQ of a radish.

Your constant need to degrade someone else's intelligence to feel good about yourself says all I need to know about your own personal intelligence.

It is well known that Tommy doesn't like to overpay for players because of the potential chemistry issues that causes, mix that with the fact that your whole argument is based on a team we were way better than this year with our roster of pretty good players. We probably way overpaid for Trey Townsend and were still able to compete. The fact that we are in the recruiting battles for Peat and Burries who is a known bag chaser goes against your whole argument (really this is all you ever talk about on this board, is this really the only thing you can add?) as well, either that or Tommy also has the IQ of a radish wasting his time on those recruitments.

[dmjcat]

Back to the issue at hand, an important date is coming up regarding paying college athletes.

This is an interesting read. One point that is brought up which I had not considered is the possibility of NFL athletes returning to play at the college level if they are cut from an NFL team.

https://www.athleticbusiness.com/operat ... settlement

[azcat49]

College sports is gone for sure if that happens (already gone really). Sad sad sad period. Just another level of professional sports.

[EastCoastCat]

So how much do we guess is in our NIL pool for basketball - north or south of $2M?

[Chicat]

So how much do we guess is in our NIL pool for basketball - north or south of $2M?

North

[dirtbags]

Back to the issue at hand, an important date is coming up regarding paying college athletes.

This is an interesting read. One point that is brought up which I had not considered is the possibility of NFL athletes returning to play at the college level if they are cut from an NFL team.

https://www.athleticbusiness.com/operat ... settlement

thanks for sharing this - good stuff. though there are few instances & professions where a salaried employee can quit and then change their mind and instantly go back to their former employer and get their job back, it's probably just a matter of time before it happens in football or mbb/wbb. it's happening already in other sports. in wrestling, gable steveson won his first ncaa medal in 2019 and went on to win the 2020 olympics. he moved on to the wwe, failed as a pro (fake) wrestler, signed with the bills, failed as an nfl player, and is now back at the university of minnesota competing against 18-22 year old kids for an ncaa title this week. which also reminds me that it's also just a matter of time before the concept of eligibility goes away in D1 sports. :\

[dirtbags]

College sports is gone for sure if that happens (already gone really). Sad sad sad period. Just another level of professional sports.

agreed. credit to the ivies for opting-out of big money sports & the pay-to-play model and committing to the student athlete experience, but they obv have leverage that most other division I do not.

[Merkin]

College sports is gone for sure if that happens (already gone really). Sad sad sad period. Just another level of professional sports.

agreed. credit to the ivies for opting-out of big money sports & the pay-to-play model and committing to the student athlete experience, but they obv have leverage that most other division I do not.

Harvard is free for any student whose family makes less than $200K a year.

[dirtbags]

NIL$ is sorta like Dark Pool stock market transactions.

yeah, NIL is so laissez-faire and unregulated that i'm kinda surprised it hasn't started to eat itself. i feel like there have been a bunch of stuff in the news about athletes saying they're not getting paid, like the unlv QB or the rumors at asu.

conversely, i'm convinced that there's a complete lack of auditing & accountability on athletes fulfilling their end of NIL deals, esp with money coming from collectives. the whole system is kind of a joke and is turning college sports into a shell of what it once was.

[dovecanyoncat]

NIL$ is sorta like Dark Pool stock market transactions.

yeah, NIL is so laissez-faire and unregulated that i'm kinda surprised it hasn't started to eat itself. i feel like there have been a bunch of stuff in the news about athletes saying they're not getting paid, like the unlv QB or the rumors at asu.

conversely, i'm convinced that there's a complete lack of auditing & accountability on athletes fulfilling their end of NIL deals, esp with money coming from collectives. the whole system is kind of a joke and is turning college sports into a shell of what it once was.

One would think that given the sums of $ involved eventually lawsuits would occur. Once the lawyers get involved roping in as many litigants as possible a structural evolution would take place, and maybe some transparency would result. I don't know a thing about it other than what I read here.

[dmjcat]

So how much do we guess is in our NIL pool for basketball - north or south of $2M?

Nobody really knows as that information is not public. I have seen several estimates/claims on multiple message boards and none of them match.

This is the only discussion of the issue that I have seen publicly. The fact that CTL doesn't like talking about NIL doesn't give me the warm and fuzzies. Most coaches will large NIL budgets are not afraid to brag about it........it helps get recruits.

https://tucson.com/sports/arizonawildca ... 0adb4.html

[Merkin]

Congress has to get involved in order to clarify the issue. Ted Cruz has a bill pending, with some support, but not a high priority (biting my tongue).

If student-athletes, errr, I mean professional athletes at an university pretending to be students, are to become paid employees, then their salaries are public records, at least in state schools. Since their NIL money is for performance for the university, then those contracts should be public records also.

Saw earlier that the CFB video game is paying each athlete $1500, that's pretty cool.