Bear Down Wildcats

azgreg wrote:

Nice. But I was told we need multiple grad transfers to field a team and this does nothing for that

PHXCATS wrote:

azgreg wrote:

Nice. But I was told we need multiple grad transfers to field a team and this does nothing for that

Lol give it a bit. Taking an educated guess here that two of next year's starters will be grad transfers.

This is the one I really wanted. I think he's gonna be a stud in time

When it comes to recruiting Miller is a Witch. No doubt anymore about that. I really like this commit

Sweet

Yes. Has the potential to be what Akot was supposed to be. Tho I still really like Akot.

Is he better than Jordan Mayes?

PHXCATS wrote:

azgreg wrote:

Nice. But I was told we need multiple grad transfers to field a team and this does nothing for that

If I do my math right I believe we still have 4 open spots on the roster.

azgreg wrote:

PHXCATS wrote:

azgreg wrote:

Nice. But I was told we need multiple grad transfers to field a team and this does nothing for that

If I do my math right I believe we still have 4 open spots on the roster.

I believe 5.

Lose Trier, Rawle, Ayton, Pjc, Dusan, pinder, and the red head = 7

Gain Omar and DD = 2

We are obviously gonna get a post 4/5 and a pg, then probably 2 more as i don’t see us using all 13 ships anyway. Plus it leaves us an out if we take a ship away as “sanctions”

Looks like similarly ranked to Tevian Jones who was likely coming here before the ESPN thing happened.

Why would we want grad transfers over multi year players? Saving 1 year over addressing the long term program is really dumb

ChooChooCat wrote:

PHXCATS wrote:

azgreg wrote:

Nice. But I was told we need multiple grad transfers to field a team and this does nothing for that

Lol give it a bit. Taking an educated guess here that two of next year's starters will be grad transfers.

Luther and...?

Alieberman wrote:Why would we want grad transfers over multi year players? Saving 1 year over addressing the long term program is really dumb

Right now there aren't a lot of good high schoolers available. A grad transfer allows us to be better next year while we recruit for '19. The one year nature of it means you just cycle in the next class.

Frankly, Williams and Brown are the only two guys out there worth forgoing a grad transfer for. Beyond those guys, it's developmental guys who won't see much if any time in 18-19.

Spaceman Spiff wrote:

ChooChooCat wrote:

PHXCATS wrote:

azgreg wrote:

Nice. But I was told we need multiple grad transfers to field a team and this does nothing for that

Lol give it a bit. Taking an educated guess here that two of next year's starters will be grad transfers.

Luther and...?

Justin Coleman (Samford) according to Choo's previous posts. Maybe Zach Johnson (FGCU) too who's visiting later this month.

Then Lukas Kisunas could always come in also as a regular recruit.

Alieberman wrote:Why would we want grad transfers over multi year players? Saving 1 year over addressing the long term program is really dumb

Unless you trust Alex Barcello as our point guard next year there's absolutely no HS point guard available that's worth going for outside of Brandon Williams and my magic 8 ball says "outlook does not look good." The same goes for Ira Lee starting at the 4 next year as there's no HS 4 man worth pursuing that we can land (Jordan Brown isn't coming here) that would start. Miller has built for the future with his last two commits with two guys he believes will turn out very good in the end. He has to build for next year by filling our biggest holes in a starting point guard and starting power forward. Miller still intends to win as much as possible next year, he's not going to do much of that with Alex Barcello & Ira Lee starting next season.

PennZona20 wrote:

azgreg wrote:

PHXCATS wrote:

azgreg wrote:

Nice. But I was told we need multiple grad transfers to field a team and this does nothing for that

If I do my math right I believe we still have 4 open spots on the roster.

I believe 5.

Lose Trier, Rawle, Ayton, Pjc, Dusan, pinder, and the red head = 7

Gain Omar and DD = 2

We are obviously gonna get a post 4/5 and a pg, then probably 2 more as i don’t see us using all 13 ships anyway. Plus it leaves us an out if we take a ship away as “sanctions”

For some reason I was thinking 12 players. Carry on.

Miller is a great recruiter, regardless of Book. Let's get BW back on board and go from there.

NYCat wrote:

Spaceman Spiff wrote:

ChooChooCat wrote:

PHXCATS wrote:

azgreg wrote:

Nice. But I was told we need multiple grad transfers to field a team and this does nothing for that

Lol give it a bit. Taking an educated guess here that two of next year's starters will be grad transfers.

Luther and...?

Justin Coleman (Samford) according to Choo's previous posts. Maybe Zach Johnson (FGCU) too who's visiting later this month.

Then Lukas Kisunas could always come in also as a regular recruit.

The way I see this class playing out:

Coleman and/or Johnson, outside shot at landing both, but I think it's a one or the other deal and Coleman is the more sure thing for us
Doutrive
Thielemans
Luther
Kisunas
Chance at a traditional transfer

ChooChooCat wrote:

Alieberman wrote:Why would we want grad transfers over multi year players? Saving 1 year over addressing the long term program is really dumb

Unless you trust Alex Barcello as our point guard next year there's absolutely no HS point guard available that's worth going for outside of Brandon Williams and my magic 8 ball says "outlook does not look good." The same goes for Ira Lee starting at the 4 next year as there's no HS 4 man worth pursuing that we can land (Jordan Brown isn't coming here) that would start. Miller has built for the future with his last two commits with two guys he believes will turn out very good in the end. He has to build for next year by filling our biggest holes in a starting point guard and starting power forward. Miller still intends to win as much as possible next year, he's not going to do much of that with Alex Barcello & Ira Lee starting next season.

I’m not saying we shouldn’t look at grad transfers I’m just glad we are also getting and going after multi year players

Alieberman wrote:

ChooChooCat wrote:

Alieberman wrote:Why would we want grad transfers over multi year players? Saving 1 year over addressing the long term program is really dumb

Unless you trust Alex Barcello as our point guard next year there's absolutely no HS point guard available that's worth going for outside of Brandon Williams and my magic 8 ball says "outlook does not look good." The same goes for Ira Lee starting at the 4 next year as there's no HS 4 man worth pursuing that we can land (Jordan Brown isn't coming here) that would start. Miller has built for the future with his last two commits with two guys he believes will turn out very good in the end. He has to build for next year by filling our biggest holes in a starting point guard and starting power forward. Miller still intends to win as much as possible next year, he's not going to do much of that with Alex Barcello & Ira Lee starting next season.

I’m not saying we shouldn’t look at grad transfers I’m just glad we are also getting and going after multi year players

This will be an effective class addressing the present and the future.

Luther is pretty important for us to get. Allows us to play big and not ruin our spacing. Otherwise I fell like we are gonna get a lot of Ira Lee at PF minutes and that would not be great.

Xavier Johnson (not that one) decomitted from Nebraska and was granted his release. Wonder if we’ll kick those tires. Combo guard who may have Kadeem Allen like defensive potential.

enfuego wrote:Supposedly Miller is on the road recruiting this phenom. Apparently an offer is right around the corner.

Looke like Gene Edgerson....the one that helped knock off Kansas when they were loaded in 1997.

azgreg wrote:

When I look at this kid all I see is Matisse thybulle from Washington!

ChooChooCat wrote: Doutrive
Thielemans
Luther
Kisunas
Chance at a traditional transfer

So if this is how it ends up, Choo, what’s your best guess at a starting 5?

Beachcat97 wrote:

ChooChooCat wrote: Doutrive
Thielemans
Luther
Kisunas
Chance at a traditional transfer

So if this is how it ends up, Choo, what’s your best guess at a starting 5?

Coleman/Johnson
Randolph
Akot
Luther
Jeter

Is the feeling on Lee just that he’s not good enough to start for a high-level D-1 team? Or is it just that he’d be lower on the depth chart if things shake out how we’re anticipating?

Beachcat97 wrote:Is the feeling on Lee just that he’s not good enough to start for a high-level D-1 team? Or is it just that he’d be lower on the depth chart if things shake out how we’re anticipating?

I think he's going to be fine. Love his motor. He just needs to work on his jumper and defense. He'll be a major part of the rotation next year after already spending a year in the system.

Beachcat97 wrote:Is the feeling on Lee just that he’s not good enough to start for a high-level D-1 team? Or is it just that he’d be lower on the depth chart if things shake out how we’re anticipating?

I think he would be a solid backup center

Beachcat97 wrote:Is the feeling on Lee just that he’s not good enough to start for a high-level D-1 team? Or is it just that he’d be lower on the depth chart if things shake out how we’re anticipating?

He's a 4 year player going into year 2. There are unknowns.

I must like Barcello and Lee better than most here. The sophomore leap often surprises. I expect the two can make a solid 7 and 8 in a rotation if given the opportunity. I do agree that Lee as a starting 4 and Barcello as a starting PG are less than ideal situations though.

RaisingArizona wrote:I must like Barcello and Lee better than most here. The sophomore leap often surprises. I expect the two can make a solid 7 and 8 in a rotation if given the opportunity. I do agree that Lee as a starting 4 and Barcello as a starting PG are less than ideal situations though.

I’m very high on both but I’ll continue to caveat: I’m perpetually overly optimistic about this program.

I don’t expect anything out of the coming season, so if those two start and grow it’s fine by me.

Barcello in particular looked intimidated by the incumbents. He also had a lot going on that will hopefully start to resolve or at least become more normal in his 2nd year. Being a freshman is always hard if you are not a top level elite. Being a freshman in a program with all the tumult, and a coach starting to press with a team not coming together...his opportunity was more limited than it would be otherwise. And he had other stuff going on (nothing about him directly) that was tough.

A perfect storm for a kid who may or may not be at this level. I think he is, but proof is on the court. If we don't see it this year, we may not see it at all.

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Zach Johnson (Florida Gulf Coast): There’s not more you can ask for in a grad transfer. Johnson is so good that he may even forgo his senior year in college for the NBA. But if he does stay, the team that snatches him is getting a heck of a talent. Last year, he averaged 16.2 points per game and shot 47% from FG range and 39% from three. If you’re unfamiliar with his name, tune on the wild game that was last year’s A-SUN final. He had 37 points in 35 minutes and hit nine threes.

Interest from: Louisville, South Carolina, Arizona, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Miami, VCU, Gonzaga, Dayton, Saint Louis, Xavier

Prediction: Arizona

Justin Coleman (Samford): Simply put, Coleman is an assist machine. Last year he was 13th in the category nationally and that aspect alone makes him a hot commodity in the transfer game. Coleman is highly regarded in scoring and defensive capability as well, averaging 13.5 points per game while shooting nearly 44% from the field.

Interest: Texas, Saint Louis, UAB, Texas Southern, Arizona, Ohio State, SMU

Prediction: Arizona

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Excuse my stupidity, but are both of these guys eligible to play this next year?

Alieberman wrote:Excuse my stupidity, but are both of these guys eligible to play this next year?

AFAIK grad transfers can play right away.

ChooChooCat wrote:

Beachcat97 wrote:

ChooChooCat wrote: Doutrive
Thielemans
Luther
Kisunas
Chance at a traditional transfer

So if this is how it ends up, Choo, what’s your best guess at a starting 5?

Coleman/Johnson
Randolph
Akot
Luther
Jeter

Going to be hilarious when Miller starts Dylan Smith because he trusts him more with 3 years in his system.

Excited to see Miller land those two kids. Fingers crossed for those grad transfers 97 posted.

Why are we going after Zach Johnson? He's got a 1.1 A:TO in the half court. As a pick and roll ball handler, he produces 0.73ppp (good for 44th percentile... not good).

He's not a PG and we've got about a million shooting guards.

Please no.

Edit: If you think it's his defense, he ranks in the 36th percentile in man to man defense. For reference, Trier ranked in the 64th percentile last season.

YoDeFoe wrote:Why are we going after Zach Johnson? He's got a 1.1 A:TO in the half court. As a pick and roll ball handler, he produces 0.73ppp (good for 44th percentile... not good).

He's not a PG and we've got about a million shooting guards.

Please no.

Edit: If you think it's his defense, he ranks in the 36th percentile in man to man defense. For reference, Trier ranked in the 64th percentile last season.

Beggars can't be choosers. Ultimately I think he's plan C at point guard for us next year, but you've gotta plan that far out until you have something in stone. I'd be a supporter of having both Coleman and Johnson as our backcourt with Johnson at the 2, but I'm not sure about landing both of them regardless of the prediction in that link 97 provided. If Johnson is our PG next year though that's going to be rough and at best a carbon copy of the Mark Lyons year. Having Johnson as our 2 would surely piss off younger guys though of course.

I would take a year of Justin Coleman.

His 2.4 A:TO is excellent, he's a very good pick and roll ball handler and he's a good spot up shooter with an effective no dribble jumper (with range).

The bad of it though: he's not very good at scoring the ball beyond spot up shooting and he's an atrociously bad defender, ranking in the bottom 10% of points allowed per possession.

He's a homeless man's PJC (who ranked in the 49th percentile on defense and had a similar offensive profile).

In all honesty... I'd rather have Barcello take 33min/g and spend the year learning on the fly. We're not fighting for a banner this season.

YoDeFoe wrote: We're not fighting for a banner this season.

Tell that to Miller.

ChooChooCat wrote:Beggars can't be choosers. Ultimately I think he's plan C at point guard for us next year, but you've gotta plan that far out until you have something in stone. I'd be a supporter of having both Coleman and Johnson as our backcourt with Johnson at the 2, but I'm not sure about landing both of them regardless of the prediction in that link 97 provided. If Johnson is our PG next year though that's going to be rough and at best a carbon copy of the Mark Lyons year. Having Johnson as our 2 would surely piss off younger guys though of course.

I suppose that's my gripe then - why take these two guys for a year? It'll reduce the development of the players that are already on the team and we'll get... what? Four more wins on the season? 4th instead of 6th in the Pac-12?

That's what we're rolling the dice on?

I'll use this as my last post to reiterate that I'd prefer to see our guys on the team develop rather than bring in hired guns for a forgettable season.

ChooChooCat wrote:

YoDeFoe wrote: We're not fighting for a banner this season.

Tell that to Miller.

Too competitive for his own good, sometimes.

YoDeFoe wrote:Why are we going after Zach Johnson? He's got a 1.1 A:TO in the half court. As a pick and roll ball handler, he produces 0.73ppp (good for 44th percentile... not good).

He's not a PG and we've got about a million shooting guards.

Please no.

Edit: If you think it's his defense, he ranks in the 36th percentile in man to man defense. For reference, Trier ranked in the 64th percentile last season.

We just need bodies at this point, and an apparent NBA-level (or close) talent makes it very easy to ignore some of the possible concerns with him. Next year's team needs everything, so I will take a guy who can put the ball in the cup and shoot 47% from the floor and 39% from deep any day.

YoDeFoe wrote:

ChooChooCat wrote:

YoDeFoe wrote: We're not fighting for a banner this season.

Tell that to Miller.

Too competitive for his own good, sometimes.

The man is on thin ice. A non-NCAA tourney year isn't going to help his cause.

I agree with your other post though. I don't foresee Arizona taking both of those guys.

YoDeFoe wrote:I would take a year of Justin Coleman.

His 2.4 A:TO is excellent, he's a very good pick and roll ball handler and he's a good spot up shooter with an effective no dribble jumper (with range).

The bad of it though: he's not very good at scoring the ball beyond spot up shooting and he's an atrociously bad defender, ranking in the bottom 10% of points allowed per possession.

He's a homeless man's PJC (who ranked in the 49th percentile on defense and had a similar offensive profile).

In all honesty... I'd rather have Barcello take 33min/g and spend the year learning on the fly. We're not fighting for a banner this season.

where do you get the defensive stats from?

SunnyAZ wrote: where do you get the defensive stats from?

Synergy Sports - I'm paying for a monthly subscription because I have a problem.

YoDeFoe wrote:Why are we going after Zach Johnson? He's got a 1.1 A:TO in the half court. As a pick and roll ball handler, he produces 0.73ppp (good for 44th percentile... not good).

He's not a PG and we've got about a million shooting guards.

Please no.

Edit: If you think it's his defense, he ranks in the 36th percentile in man to man defense. For reference, Trier ranked in the 64th percentile last season.

We need guys who can put the ball in the basket. From what ive heard, thats what he can do.