Bear Down Wildcats

PHXCATS wrote:The real reason why RR will be here in 2018 and why he will get a one year extension is Heeke knows and expects a better year next year and that he can t complete with the other openings this year in addition to the fact no one can name one coach that would come here that would do better than RR right away.

Firing someone or calling for the firing of someone without a plan or without being able to bring someone in better is complete ignorance.

He's got 3 years left on his contract, Heeke isn't extending him for another year to increase his fricken buyout. If he wins big next year then we can talk extension, otherwise stfu, you've got 3 years left on your contract.

ChooChooCat wrote:

PHXCATS wrote:The real reason why RR will be here in 2018 and why he will get a one year extension is Heeke knows and expects a better year next year and that he can t complete with the other openings this year in addition to the fact no one can name one coach that would come here that would do better than RR right away.

Firing someone or calling for the firing of someone without a plan or without being able to bring someone in better is complete ignorance.

He's got 3 years left on his contract, Heeke isn't extending him for another year to increase his fricken buyout. If he wins big next year then we can talk extension, otherwise stfu, you've got 3 years left on your contract.

As far as just the coach you are correct 100%.

But how are recruits going to take it. 2018 recruits are going to think, great you are recruiting me now but you wont be here for my senior year or RS jr and sr years. 2019 and 2020 recruits are obviously worse.

Give him a year extension, but make the buyout stay the same until after next season.

I doubt RR would sign a extension that doesn’t increase pay or the schools buyout.

OSUCat wrote:I doubt RR would sign a extension that doesn’t increase pay or the schools buyout.

Increase his base pay and or his incentives for this year

chiefzona wrote: Bingo. Nailed it.

Just wanted to add Mike Price went to 2 Rose Bowls while coaching at Wazzu, and put 4 or 5 QBs into the NFL in the PAC-10 era, while UA had none and none.

PHXCATS wrote:

ChooChooCat wrote:

PHXCATS wrote:The real reason why RR will be here in 2018 and why he will get a one year extension is Heeke knows and expects a better year next year and that he can t complete with the other openings this year in addition to the fact no one can name one coach that would come here that would do better than RR right away.

Firing someone or calling for the firing of someone without a plan or without being able to bring someone in better is complete ignorance.

He's got 3 years left on his contract, Heeke isn't extending him for another year to increase his fricken buyout. If he wins big next year then we can talk extension, otherwise stfu, you've got 3 years left on your contract.

As far as just the coach you are correct 100%.

But how are recruits going to take it. 2018 recruits are going to think, great you are recruiting me now but you wont be here for my senior year or RS jr and sr years. 2019 and 2020 recruits are obviously worse.

Give him a year extension, but make the buyout stay the same until after next season.

Oh no how will be survive without 5'8 slow footed community college okg's

RondaeShimmy wrote:

PHXCATS wrote:

ChooChooCat wrote:

PHXCATS wrote:The real reason why RR will be here in 2018 and why he will get a one year extension is Heeke knows and expects a better year next year and that he can t complete with the other openings this year in addition to the fact no one can name one coach that would come here that would do better than RR right away.

Firing someone or calling for the firing of someone without a plan or without being able to bring someone in better is complete ignorance.

He's got 3 years left on his contract, Heeke isn't extending him for another year to increase his fricken buyout. If he wins big next year then we can talk extension, otherwise stfu, you've got 3 years left on your contract.

As far as just the coach you are correct 100%.

But how are recruits going to take it. 2018 recruits are going to think, great you are recruiting me now but you wont be here for my senior year or RS jr and sr years. 2019 and 2020 recruits are obviously worse.

Give him a year extension, but make the buyout stay the same until after next season.

Oh no how will be survive without 5'8 slow footed community college okg's

This is fascinating to me. A lot of you bitch about the recruiting, now you want to make it harder for him to get better at recruiting?

PHXCATS wrote:I don't like it but think it's necessary. Still say 9 wins or the axe next year.

Not apples to apples comparison but think we all would enjoy 9 win season. In modern era (I count it as 1962, start of WAC days) UA has had only six seasons with 9 or more wins. And four of those happened back in the days of 11 or 12 games including a bowl in the season. Only Twice in 20 years with 9 or more wins in a season with a 13 or 14 game slate (includes bowl).

PHXCATS wrote:

RondaeShimmy wrote:

PHXCATS wrote:

ChooChooCat wrote:

PHXCATS wrote:The real reason why RR will be here in 2018 and why he will get a one year extension is Heeke knows and expects a better year next year and that he can t complete with the other openings this year in addition to the fact no one can name one coach that would come here that would do better than RR right away.

Firing someone or calling for the firing of someone without a plan or without being able to bring someone in better is complete ignorance.

He's got 3 years left on his contract, Heeke isn't extending him for another year to increase his fricken buyout. If he wins big next year then we can talk extension, otherwise stfu, you've got 3 years left on your contract.

As far as just the coach you are correct 100%.

But how are recruits going to take it. 2018 recruits are going to think, great you are recruiting me now but you wont be here for my senior year or RS jr and sr years. 2019 and 2020 recruits are obviously worse.

Give him a year extension, but make the buyout stay the same until after next season.

Oh no how will be survive without 5'8 slow footed community college okg's

This is fascinating to me. A lot of you bitch about the recruiting, now you want to make it harder for him to get better at recruiting?

Todd Graham didn't get extended and had a better 2017 recruiting class than ours. This year, we have 19 commits that are 3 stars. They have 14 commits that are 3 stars. An extension won't effect this class and if he wins next year, those 2019 kids will know he'll get extended.

RazorsEdgeAZ wrote:

PHXCATS wrote:I don't like it but think it's necessary. Still say 9 wins or the axe next year.

Not apples to apples comparison but think we all would enjoy 9 win season. In modern era (I count it as 1962, start of WAC days) UA has had only six seasons with 9 or more wins. And four of those happened back in the days of 11 or 12 games including a bowl in the season. Only Twice in 20 years with 9 or more wins in a season with a 13 or 14 game slate (includes bowl).

The trajectory of the team this year plus the schedule next year makes 9 wins very doable.

RR is not perfect and doesnt have enough equity to where we are certain if next year does not work out that he will turn it around and get the program to the next level.

That is just my opinion and i know other share it that know more football than me. So that is what I believe is best for the future of this program.

I'll quote myself; There are still 3 years on the current contract. I don't see why a kid would not sign up if he doesn't have an extension. He has next year to earn an extension. If RR believes in himself, he'd want the chance to negotiate the contract next year after they win the Pac12 South. Any extension they negotiate now would be for a minimal amount and have all kinds of outs for Arizona in case a year like 2016 happens again.

PHXCATS wrote:

ChooChooCat wrote:

PHXCATS wrote:The real reason why RR will be here in 2018 and why he will get a one year extension is Heeke knows and expects a better year next year and that he can t complete with the other openings this year in addition to the fact no one can name one coach that would come here that would do better than RR right away.

Firing someone or calling for the firing of someone without a plan or without being able to bring someone in better is complete ignorance.

He's got 3 years left on his contract, Heeke isn't extending him for another year to increase his fricken buyout. If he wins big next year then we can talk extension, otherwise stfu, you've got 3 years left on your contract.

As far as just the coach you are correct 100%.

But how are recruits going to take it. 2018 recruits are going to think, great you are recruiting me now but you wont be here for my senior year or RS jr and sr years. 2019 and 2020 recruits are obviously worse.

Give him a year extension, but make the buyout stay the same until after next season.

His recruiting is already screwed, so what? After next season he still has 2 years left on his contract. You act as if the guy having a long term contract will help him land 5 stars or something. We've seen his recruiting for 6 years now, it is what it is regardless if you have him on a 2 year contract or lifetime. Our team is very young, recruiting in a make or break year isn't remotely the biggest issue we have to deal with for our future.

Let's sum it up to the most important part of all of this, Rich Rod just had the worst home attendance Arizona football has had since the Mackovic era. What Athletic Director in his right fricken mind would extend a coach who can't make his athletic department money? He'd laugh in your face if you brought up "but but what about recruiting" as a reason to extend him now.

ChooChooCat wrote:

PHXCATS wrote:

ChooChooCat wrote:

PHXCATS wrote:The real reason why RR will be here in 2018 and why he will get a one year extension is Heeke knows and expects a better year next year and that he can t complete with the other openings this year in addition to the fact no one can name one coach that would come here that would do better than RR right away.

Firing someone or calling for the firing of someone without a plan or without being able to bring someone in better is complete ignorance.

He's got 3 years left on his contract, Heeke isn't extending him for another year to increase his fricken buyout. If he wins big next year then we can talk extension, otherwise stfu, you've got 3 years left on your contract.

As far as just the coach you are correct 100%.

But how are recruits going to take it. 2018 recruits are going to think, great you are recruiting me now but you wont be here for my senior year or RS jr and sr years. 2019 and 2020 recruits are obviously worse.

Give him a year extension, but make the buyout stay the same until after next season.

His recruiting is already screwed, so what? After next season he still has 2 years left on his contract. You act as if the guy having a long term contract will help him land 5 stars or something. We've seen his recruiting for 6 years now, our team is very young, recruiting in a make or break year isn't remotely the biggest issue we have to deal with.

Let's sum it up to the most important part of all of this, Rich Rod just had the worst home attendance Arizona football has had since the Mackovic era. What Athletic Director in his right fricken mind would extend a coach who can't make his athletic department money? He'd laugh in your face if you brought up "but but what about recruiting" as a reason to extend him now.

I will buy your line of thinking if you can show me a few good coaches at good schools who have 2 years left on their current deals.

Other schools will badly negative recruit against us if RR is not given more than four years on his deal.

Would you send your son to play for a coach who does not have a contract for four years or more? Parents and players understand coaching changes happen but they dont want one that is almost a guarantee when picking the school.

Just to clarify. RR has 2 seasons left on his contract. Not to be confused with 3 years left. As of now, his contract expires May 2020.

2.5 years left on contract. Or, after this class, two signing classes left on his existing contract.

RR's buyout if Fired today would be about $5 million.

UA admin playing with a little house money because if RR is fired after March 2018 (4 months), let's say April 2018, RR's buyout would be about $4.3 million PLUS the money from Donor and retention fund of about $3.13 million

RazorsEdgeAZ wrote:Just to clarify. RR has 2 seasons left on his contract. Not to be confused with 3 years left. As of now, his contract expires May 2020.

2.5 years left on contract.

RR's buyout if Fired today would be about $5 million.

UA admin playing with a little house money because if RR is fired after March 2018 (4 months), let's say April 2018, RR's buyout would be about $4.3 million PLUS the money from Donor and retention fund of about $3.13 million

Wow an extension is a must now

Can him.

CalStateTempe wrote:Can him.

And hire who?

PHXCATS wrote:

RazorsEdgeAZ wrote:Just to clarify. RR has 2 seasons left on his contract. Not to be confused with 3 years left. As of now, his contract expires May 2020.

2.5 years left on contract.

RR's buyout if Fired today would be about $5 million.

UA admin playing with a little house money because if RR is fired after March 2018 (4 months), let's say April 2018, RR's buyout would be about $4.3 million PLUS the money from Donor and retention fund of about $3.13 million

Wow an extension is a must now

No. Shut up.

PHXCATS wrote:

CalStateTempe wrote:Can him.

And hire who?

Whoever Dave Heeke and our donors ultimately decide on. I'm not advocating for canning him now, because I know we're not going to, but the tail between the legs scared of the unknown is ridiculous. You hire the best damn candidate you can get, give them all the tools necessary to win that you can provide, and hope for the best. You don't stay with a girlfriend who doesn't like giving blowjobs because you're afraid the next girl you date possibly won't give you one at all. Just like anything in life you strive for better. Guess what? If the next coach doesn't perform either you go out and hire another one. This isn't difficult.

Now knock it off with the nonsensical extension talk.

PHXCATS wrote:

ChooChooCat wrote:

PHXCATS wrote:

ChooChooCat wrote:

PHXCATS wrote:The real reason why RR will be here in 2018 and why he will get a one year extension is Heeke knows and expects a better year next year and that he can t complete with the other openings this year in addition to the fact no one can name one coach that would come here that would do better than RR right away.

Firing someone or calling for the firing of someone without a plan or without being able to bring someone in better is complete ignorance.

He's got 3 years left on his contract, Heeke isn't extending him for another year to increase his fricken buyout. If he wins big next year then we can talk extension, otherwise stfu, you've got 3 years left on your contract.

As far as just the coach you are correct 100%.

But how are recruits going to take it. 2018 recruits are going to think, great you are recruiting me now but you wont be here for my senior year or RS jr and sr years. 2019 and 2020 recruits are obviously worse.

Give him a year extension, but make the buyout stay the same until after next season.

His recruiting is already screwed, so what? After next season he still has 2 years left on his contract. You act as if the guy having a long term contract will help him land 5 stars or something. We've seen his recruiting for 6 years now, our team is very young, recruiting in a make or break year isn't remotely the biggest issue we have to deal with.

Let's sum it up to the most important part of all of this, Rich Rod just had the worst home attendance Arizona football has had since the Mackovic era. What Athletic Director in his right fricken mind would extend a coach who can't make his athletic department money? He'd laugh in your face if you brought up "but but what about recruiting" as a reason to extend him now.

I will buy your line of thinking if you can show me a few good coaches at good schools who have 2 years left on their current deals.

Other schools will badly negative recruit against us if RR is not given more than four years on his deal.

Would you send your son to play for a coach who does not have a contract for four years or more? Parents and players understand coaching changes happen but they dont want one that is almost a guarantee when picking the school.

Kevin Sumlin's contract was up in 2019. Prior to his firing he had 9 4 star commitments lined up. Shut up about recruiting and extensions. You're ridiculous.

ChooChooCat wrote: Kevin Sumlin's contract was up in 2019. Prior to his firing he had 9 4 star commitments lined up. Shut up about recruiting and extensions. You're ridiculous.

And Sumlin just was cut a check for $10M, he could work at the UA for RichRod pay and not have near the expectations as he would in Tempe.

ChooChooCat wrote:

PHXCATS wrote:

CalStateTempe wrote:Can him.

And hire who?

Whoever Dave Heeke and our donors ultimately decide on. I'm not advocating for canning him now, because I know we're not going to, but the tail between the legs scared of the unknown is ridiculous. You hire the best damn candidate you can get, give them all the tools necessary to win that you can provide, and hope for the best. You don't stay with a girlfriend who doesn't like giving blowjobs because you're afraid the next girl you date possibly won't give you one at all. Just like anything in life you strive for better. Guess what? If the next coach doesn't perform either you go out and hire another one. This isn't difficult.

Now knock it off with the nonsensical extension talk.

This. We take a chance. Maybe not this year, but I would rather have risk/reward, than settling every year. 6/7 years to prove yourself is long enough.

Yea I don't get the talk at all about extending RR. We have given him enough.

Harvey Specter wrote:

PHXCATS wrote:
I think we would have a shot at any coach ASU would... we will see who they land. I believe either Sumlin or Miles are possibilities. Neither is likely to get an elite job, and we should be competitive with any non-elite BCS program for a coach.

Miles isn't going to be considered. Its obvious what specific quality Ray Anderson is looking for, and that is the whole reason he fired Graham.

If Tennessee doesn't bring him home, thoughts on Tee Martin? (speculating for next year)

azcat49 wrote:Yea I don't get the talk at all about extending RR. We have given him enough.

Yep. RR earned a reprieve, not an extension.

btfd16 wrote:If Tennessee doesn't bring him home, thoughts on Tee Martin? (speculating for next year)

I mentioned him as my #1 for Arizona prior to the season starting. His major prowess is recruiting SoCal and the assistants that he could/would get. He's a little green in the coaching area but I think he would be worth the gamble. Just my opinion.

btfd16 wrote:If Tennessee doesn't bring him home, thoughts on Tee Martin? (speculating for next year)

Maybe, but if we are looking to hire someone for their first HC job, I'd rather see Cecil or Hunley. Either one would invest 100% and you likely wouldn't worry about them always job shopping. Just my opinion.

UAdevil wrote:

azcat49 wrote:Yea I don't get the talk at all about extending RR. We have given him enough.

Yep. RR earned a reprieve, not an extension.

I like the way you phrased that Devil. Props

jimson wrote:

btfd16 wrote:If Tennessee doesn't bring him home, thoughts on Tee Martin? (speculating for next year)

Maybe, but if we are looking to hire someone for their first HC job, I'd rather see Cecil or Hunley. Either one would invest 100% and you likely wouldn't worry about them always job shopping. Just my opinion.

You would base your hiring decision on how hard they try, and that they wouldn't shop around?

Suggestion: keep your day job.

jimson wrote:

btfd16 wrote:If Tennessee doesn't bring him home, thoughts on Tee Martin? (speculating for next year)

Maybe, but if we are looking to hire someone for their first HC job, I'd rather see Cecil or Hunley. Either one would invest 100% and you likely wouldn't worry about them always job shopping. Just my opinion.

Cecil is only good as an assistant. Same as Hunley. Hunley doesn't want the job.

chiefzona wrote:

jimson wrote:

btfd16 wrote:If Tennessee doesn't bring him home, thoughts on Tee Martin? (speculating for next year)

Maybe, but if we are looking to hire someone for their first HC job, I'd rather see Cecil or Hunley. Either one would invest 100% and you likely wouldn't worry about them always job shopping. Just my opinion.

Cecil is only good as an assistant. Same as Hunley. Hunley doesn't want the job.

There is a reason why Cecil and Hunley are life long position coaches, although I think Cecil had one year as DC before being fired.

Although those 2 are probably great at meet and greets. Just a figurehead HC like Joe Pa was the last few years.

jimson wrote:

btfd16 wrote:If Tennessee doesn't bring him home, thoughts on Tee Martin? (speculating for next year)

Maybe, but if we are looking to hire someone for their first HC job, I'd rather see Cecil or Hunley. Either one would invest 100% and you likely wouldn't worry about them always job shopping. Just my opinion.

Hiring an alum as HC or a coordinator often bombs out. Yes, they're all in, but coaches are hired to be fired. 73 FBS schools have coaches that were hired in 2015 or later (including currently open jobs.) It doesn't matter who you are, few people are long for CFB coaching jobs.

Merkin wrote:

chiefzona wrote:

jimson wrote:

btfd16 wrote:If Tennessee doesn't bring him home, thoughts on Tee Martin? (speculating for next year)

Maybe, but if we are looking to hire someone for their first HC job, I'd rather see Cecil or Hunley. Either one would invest 100% and you likely wouldn't worry about them always job shopping. Just my opinion.

Cecil is only good as an assistant. Same as Hunley. Hunley doesn't want the job.

There is a reason why Cecil and Hunley are life long position coaches, although I think Cecil had one year as DC before being fired.

Although those 2 are probably great at meet and greets. Just a figurehead HC like Joe Pa was the last few years.

Would love to start the defensive staff with Cecil DB and Salave'a DL

Okay, if we were to Fire RR... Promote Yates to Interim HC with possibility of earning HC if he proves himself, keep McGee and Smith to keep Tate happy, and bring in Salavea as DC. Get Poly pipeline going!! Yippee, this is fun!

UALoco wrote:Okay, if we were to Fire RR... Promote Yates to Interim HC with possibility of earning HC if he proves himself, keep McGee and Smith to keep Tate happy, and bring in Salavea as DC. Get Poly pipeline going!! Yippee, this is fun!

I’d rather slide naked down a bannister made of razor blades into a pool of rubbing alcohol.

Another thing to keep in mind is both Yates and Magee contracts will need to be renewed soon. Next month or two. Both of their two year contracts come to an end. So you can have situation where they are renewed for 1 or multiple years and no extension for RR

Yates is garbage. He’s Casteel 2.0. This whole staff and it’s HC needs an enema.

For cats after next season since we don't have the coin this season...

Les miles
Tee martin
An up and comer at a mid major.

CalStateTempe wrote:For cats after next season since we don't have the coin this season...

Les miles
Tee martin
An up and comer at a mid major.

Lane Kiffin or gtfo.

JOEY FRESHWATER NOW

chiefzona wrote:

jimson wrote:

btfd16 wrote:If Tennessee doesn't bring him home, thoughts on Tee Martin? (speculating for next year)

Maybe, but if we are looking to hire someone for their first HC job, I'd rather see Cecil or Hunley. Either one would invest 100% and you likely wouldn't worry about them always job shopping. Just my opinion.

Cecil is only good as an assistant. Same as Hunley. Hunley doesn't want the job.

This.

ChooChooCat wrote:

CalStateTempe wrote:For cats after next season since we don't have the coin this season...

Les miles
Tee martin
An up and comer at a mid major.

Lane Kiffin or gtfo.

All of the above. At the same time.

ChooChooCat wrote:

CalStateTempe wrote:For cats after next season since we don't have the coin this season...

Les miles
Tee martin
An up and comer at a mid major.

Lane Kiffin or gtfo.

Lol, I could get behind this.

Les will be 65 at the start and turn 66 during 2019 season. I like it but that might be a little too old

Names I've seen thrown around as up and comers are Candle from Toledo and Littrell from UNT. I grew up 30 min from UNT and boy were they awful.. Pretty amazing what he's done.

My shortlist is still Tee Martin or Lane Train for pure entertainment and exposure value.

chiefzona wrote:Yates is garbage. He’s Casteel 2.0. This whole staff and it’s HC needs an enema.

Sounds like someone is bitter cause they got passed over for a D1 coaching assistant job and is stuck doing media and club ball crap.

ChooChooCat wrote:

CalStateTempe wrote:For cats after next season since we don't have the coin this season...

Les miles
Tee martin
An up and comer at a mid major.

Lane Kiffin or gtfo.

Yeah, get Kiffin..it is like some perverted type of payback on USC for stealing Larry Smith.

No Kiffin here. Ever.

The guy's a dick.