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So Schlabach misunderstood the information he was receiving?NYCat wrote:
Long before this all came about I had a friend on FB who worked who knew Ayton through coaching circles of some sort in Phoenix, and described how closely knit his family is, and basically he had told me Ayton really wanted to go to Arizona an he wasn’t going to be pried away because he wanted to be close to his family here for the 1 year he would play. What this is saying matches up almost perfectly with how my friend described Ayton’s family and explains why Ayton’s family and Miller are so incredibly furious about this. The kid is clean - his family doesn’t need money and knows that Deandre doesn’t need to risk his chatracter for chump change from a low-level runner.azpatnca wrote:Have any of you actually read the FBI document containing the charges against Book? Here's what I've learned:
1. Book had no relationship with Dawkins prior to last year in march.
2. Dawkins was being led to do things by UC-1, the FBI undercover agent who financed the whole operation.
3. Book took a bribe from Dawkins/Sood/UC-1 of $5000, then $15,000, apparently used it to pay Player-5 (Quinerly) to come to Arizona.
4. Book promised he'd deliver Player-6 to Dawkins. Player-6 is a sheltered kid and all interactions will have to be with his relative, the FBI calls him The "Handler".
5. UC-1, Dawkins and Sood asked how they could get Player-7. Book said he was working on it.
6. Apparently, Dawkins, Adidas, the FBI and some AAU assholes all conspired to pay player-12 (Little) $150,000 to go to go to University-7 (Miami). They apparently had to beat a price of $150,000 to keep him "from going to one of their schools".
Player-5 we all know is Quinerly. Player-12 is Nasir Little. I don't know who Player-6 is. I suspect Player-7 is Ayton.
So it looks like the FBI is the dirtiest player in all of this.
Sounds like Dawkins and Adidas double crossed Richardson to get Little to go to Miami.
Player-7 was never paid to come to UA and actually it's Player-7 the agents are trying to get access to, but they don't have access to him at the time of the filing. Player-7 has done nothing wrong, he was merely being talked about by bad guys.
Player-6 has done nothing wrong, but he may have a relative who unbeknownst to him was approached regarding influencing him to sign with Dawkins.
Oh, and all the time Dawkins was shopping Bowen (Player-10) to coaches, which Pitino (Coach-2)(U-6) eventually took him up on.
So given this, I think either Dawkins/FBI/Sood offered Miller for access to Player-7, and that's the wiretap ESPN reported on, and that's why Ayton is named (ALTHOUGH THIS IS NOT WHAT ESPN ALLEGED IN THIER ARTICLE) or else Dawkins offered Miller a price tag of $100,000 for Bowen and Miller did not tell him yes. I hope it's the latter.
Sources:
https://www.si.com/college-basketball/2 ... estigation" target="_blank
https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/press ... 6/download" target="_blank
edit:
just read spaceman's post, I guess Player-6 is Rawle Alkins. I hope his family didn't fuck him, and I hope he comes back healthy and tears it up next year. He doesn't deserve this shit.
Or was the leak to media outlets that poked holes in the ESPN story?azcat34 wrote:So Schlabach misunderstood the information he was receiving?NYCat wrote:
Why would Book say that Miller was talking a payment with Ayton in Spring of 2017?
Richardson and his counsel aren't singled out here, except for in the headline. This is the same blanket gag order that was previously discussed: that all defendants and counsel should not share evidence.NYCat wrote:
Simple, because FBI doesn't care if you break ncaa rules (funneling $$$ to players). The FBI only cares about coaches who skimmed money off the top, which is then a state employee accepting a bribe.UofAlum05 wrote:Remember the part of the ESPN report where it claims Miller said, "don't work with Book. Just go through me on all money arrangements"
If that were true why wasn't Miller arrested during the initial indictment.
Ass sucking trolls have a D1 team?RiseAndFire wrote: has zero bearing on how many years we'll be banned from postseason.
Oh joy, look who's back.RiseAndFire wrote:Simple, because FBI doesn't care if you break ncaa rules (funneling $$$ to players). The FBI only cares about coaches who skimmed money off the top, which is then a state employee accepting a bribe.UofAlum05 wrote:Remember the part of the ESPN report where it claims Miller said, "don't work with Book. Just go through me on all money arrangements"
If that were true why wasn't Miller arrested during the initial indictment.
miller not being arrested means little to the ncaa and has zero bearing on how many years we'll be banned from postseason.
Maybe we can run a zone to prevent any punishment from the NCAA.RiseAndFire wrote:Simple, because FBI doesn't care if you break ncaa rules (funneling $$$ to players). The FBI only cares about coaches who skimmed money off the top, which is then a state employee accepting a bribe.UofAlum05 wrote:Remember the part of the ESPN report where it claims Miller said, "don't work with Book. Just go through me on all money arrangements"
If that were true why wasn't Miller arrested during the initial indictment.
miller not being arrested means little to the ncaa and has zero bearing on how many years we'll be banned from postseason.
Maybe because the tone and actual conversation was more like "Hey...you don't talk to Book. You talk to me" after Dawkins suggested going to BookUofAlum05 wrote:Remember the part of the ESPN report where it claims Miller said, "don't work with Book. Just go through me on all money arrangements"
If that were true why wasn't Miller arrested during the initial indictment.
It basically sounds like a source with sour grapes and looking to deflect blame through the media.
Except if the conversation happened as ESPN says, Miller would be a conspirator in the bribery case, as Book is just the bag man for a larger syndicate designed to accept bribes and direct bribes to players to deliver services as a state employee.RiseAndFire wrote:Simple, because FBI doesn't care if you break ncaa rules (funneling $$$ to players). The FBI only cares about coaches who skimmed money off the top, which is then a state employee accepting a bribe.UofAlum05 wrote:Remember the part of the ESPN report where it claims Miller said, "don't work with Book. Just go through me on all money arrangements"
If that were true why wasn't Miller arrested during the initial indictment.
miller not being arrested means little to the ncaa and has zero bearing on how many years we'll be banned from postseason.
My favorite partWhile three criminal cases tied to the investigation may take years to play out, the documents viewed by Yahoo revealed the extent of the potential NCAA ramifications from the case. The documents show an underground recruiting operation that could create NCAA rules issues—both current and retroactive—for at least 20 Division I basketball programs and more than 25 players. The documents tie some of the biggest names and programs in the sport to activity that appears to violate the NCAA’s amateurism rules. This could end up casting a pall over the NCAA tournament because of eligibility issues. There’s potential impermissible benefits and preferential treatment for players and families of players at Duke, North Carolina, Texas, Kentucky, Michigan State, USC, Alabama and a host of other schools.
Well, now, along comes the FBI and Mark Emmert, who makes $3 million a year but who wouldn’t make a dime without the work put in by teenagers who have to fight to profit even from their own images, stepped up and issued a statement stunningly disingenuous even by NCAA standards, which are very high indeed.
These allegations, if true, point to systematic failures that must be fixed and fixed now if we want college sports in America. Simply put, people who engage in this kind of behavior have no place in college sports. They are an affront to all those who play by the rules.
For the love of heaven, please shut up. There is some talk abroad in the land that the findings of this investigation will lay amateurism to rest once and for all. Read Emmert’s statement again. He sees this as an opportunity to position the NCAA again as the guardians of academic and athletic purity, as a way to break its two-year losing streak and regain control over the help. If you need more evidence that this is Emmert’s long game, consider that the FBI already has said that the universities involved are not objects of the investigation. So, players get named and shamed. Coaches get fired. Agents go broke on legal fees. But Boards of Regents go merrily on, waving their foam fingers in the air and grazing the buffet tables and groaning boards paid for by their “corporate partners.”
You know what ESPN would have done if their reporting was accurate? They'd have included a quote from the transcript. After all of the blowback, they'd have gone back and gotten a follow up with a direct quote of Miller from the transcript. Two sentences. One sentence. Six words.EVCat wrote:Except if the conversation happened as ESPN says, Miller would be a conspirator in the bribery case, as Book is just the bag man for a larger syndicate designed to accept bribes and direct bribes to players to deliver services as a state employee.
If Miller is steering other players for delivery of certain ones, he would be somewhere on that tap getting money like Book, or discussing payment, or discussing Book's payment. The only way there is no wiretaps of conversations with Miller discussing Book's payment and similar ones is...if there were no such conversations. Logic, huh? Book clearly did his bit alone, because this whole scam involves these kinds of transactions, and if Miller was a party to the scam to bribe Book, or was bribed by Book, or conspired to do the same or to get Book to go get that money for Quinnerly...he would be indicted. 4000 hours of tape. Lots of Book and Miller.
More than the bag man gets popped in a conspiracy to bribe officials. Unless the bag man is acting alone.
CalStateTempe wrote:Is there any chance the yahoo story will eventually get legs or is it now considered DOA
Isn't it actually that Miller would have OK'd ASM to pay Ayton $100,000 in return for steering clients his way (and likely securing Ayton as a client)? This scam has them delivering players and paying them, not the teams, from what I understood.Longhorned wrote: You'd have to believe that Miller paid $100,000 for Ayton, as unnamed sources Schlabach himself unintentionally revealed to be compromised (which is why he's been silenced), and in spite of no discernible connection to the timeline of Ayton's commitment or to Christian Dawkins.
AlsoLonghorned wrote:I just don't get why we join ESPN commentators is this notion that Arizona would have to vacate a title, or any wins. Lots of named players have been documented, but none of them are or were at Arizona. You'd have to believe that Miller paid $100,000 for Ayton, as unnamed sources Schlabach himself unintentionally revealed to be compromised (which is why he's been silenced), and in spite of no discernible connection to the timeline of Ayton's commitment or to Christian Dawkins.
Which signing bonus?CalStateTempe wrote:I hope ayton uses some of his signing bonus to sue the shit out of the WWL
Lol, yeah I need to be careful around here. The one he’ll get as number one pick.SteveKerrsStroke wrote:Which signing bonus?CalStateTempe wrote:I hope ayton uses some of his signing bonus to sue the shit out of the WWL
If miller gave or accepted money he would have been picked up. Conspiracy to commit is all they needed and it didn't happen. The ncaa won't do a damn thing either. A failure to control sanction doesn't equal a tournament ban.RiseAndFire wrote:Simple, because FBI doesn't care if you break ncaa rules (funneling $$$ to players). The FBI only cares about coaches who skimmed money off the top, which is then a state employee accepting a bribe.UofAlum05 wrote:Remember the part of the ESPN report where it claims Miller said, "don't work with Book. Just go through me on all money arrangements"
If that were true why wasn't Miller arrested during the initial indictment.
miller not being arrested means little to the ncaa and has zero bearing on how many years we'll be banned from postseason.
The more salient thing is why the FBI would not have mentioned the wire. Even if he wasn't charged, if the wire is of the nature ESPN said, it would be quite surprising it did not make the complaint, given there was tons of Dawkins wire info in there.CatHoops wrote:If miller gave or accepted money he would have been picked up. Conspiracy to commit is all they needed and it didn't happen. The ncaa won't do a damn thing either. A failure to control sanction doesn't equal a tournament ban.RiseAndFire wrote:Simple, because FBI doesn't care if you break ncaa rules (funneling $$$ to players). The FBI only cares about coaches who skimmed money off the top, which is then a state employee accepting a bribe.UofAlum05 wrote:Remember the part of the ESPN report where it claims Miller said, "don't work with Book. Just go through me on all money arrangements"
If that were true why wasn't Miller arrested during the initial indictment.
miller not being arrested means little to the ncaa and has zero bearing on how many years we'll be banned from postseason.
Oh, well, all very interesting, and.... FUCK HIM!Jefe wrote:Schlabach making silent Final 4 picks: http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basket ... tournament" target="_blank
Virginia, North Carolina, Villanova, Michigan State
He's been gag ordered...or he's simply gagging on dawkins/book/some other fuck.CalStateTempe wrote:Why he no tweet?
EVCat wrote:Except if the conversation happened as ESPN says, Miller would be a conspirator in the bribery case, as Book is just the bag man for a larger syndicate designed to accept bribes and direct bribes to players to deliver services as a state employee.RiseAndFire wrote:Simple, because FBI doesn't care if you break ncaa rules (funneling $$$ to players). The FBI only cares about coaches who skimmed money off the top, which is then a state employee accepting a bribe.UofAlum05 wrote:Remember the part of the ESPN report where it claims Miller said, "don't work with Book. Just go through me on all money arrangements"
If that were true why wasn't Miller arrested during the initial indictment.
miller not being arrested means little to the ncaa and has zero bearing on how many years we'll be banned from postseason.
If Miller is steering other players for delivery of certain ones, he would be somewhere on that tap getting money like Book, or discussing payment, or discussing Book's payment. The only way there is no wiretaps of conversations with Miller discussing Book's payment and similar ones is...if there were no such conversations. Logic, huh? Book clearly did his bit alone, because this whole scam involves these kinds of transactions, and if Miller was a party to the scam to bribe Book, or was bribed by Book, or conspired to do the same or to get Book to go get that money for Quinnerly...he would be indicted. 4000 hours of tape. Lots of Book and Miller.
More than the bag man gets popped in a conspiracy to bribe officials. Unless the bag man is acting alone.
Ok...I trust you...but this tells me two things...UofAlum05 wrote:FYI, one thing I do know. Schlabach had to find another source once his story started taking on water. He went to another defendants attorney asking for verification and was told, "no, because your story is completely incorrect."
Who is "we" in this scenario? I assume UCLA? Why the fuck would UCLA get a postseason ban? You're so dumbRiseAndFire wrote:
Simple, because FBI doesn't care if you break ncaa rules (funneling $$$ to players). The FBI only cares about coaches who skimmed money off the top, which is then a state employee accepting a bribe.
miller not being arrested means little to the ncaa and has zero bearing on how many years we'll be banned from postseason.
Spaceman Spiff wrote:Here's one thing I learned:
Rise and Fire's knowledge of the American legal system is of similar quality as his knowledge of basketball strategy.
"Mr. Simpson, don't you worry. I saw an episode of Matlock in a bar last night. The sound was down, but I think I got the gist of it."
-Lionel Hutz
Lmao!!!!Longhorned wrote:I'm announcing my retirement from clicking on this thread when new posts appear.
