Re: Allonzo Trier
Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 5:56 pm
It’s no consolation that Trier will somehow be inspired by this. He simply got screwed. No silver lining.
Will Sonnet says, "It ain't bragging if it's true."azgreg wrote:Seems a bit vain no?
Fully agree. I know some fans are licking their chops like "this will fuel him" but the dude fuels himself, has all season. All this means is that Trier isn't getting what he earned, and neither is Arizona.Longhorned wrote:It’s no consolation that Trier will somehow be inspired by this. He simply got screwed. No silver lining.
whenever I search "Trier" on TwitterBeachcat97 wrote:Some big Trier news:
https://www.sfchronicle.com/news/world/ ... 731677.php" target="_blank
Rebuttal to "hurts him that he's on the team with Ayton"... Grayson Allen is getting national awards over Trier. Now I suppose Allen is a household name but he's also got a checkered past (for habitual ON COURT bad acts) and he plays next to a NPOY candidate.DrWildcat wrote:National awards have become a popularity contest. If we forget the stats, is it that big of a surprise he was left off? I say no. I think it hurts him that he is on a team with Ayton. Ayton grabs all the headlines and is who the media focuses on. That hurts come awards time IMO. Also, we are on the west coast so headlines are all that matter because no one watches the games.
Yeah, but Allen plays for Duke, so that tripping stuff gets brushed under the rug.YoDeFoe wrote:Rebuttal to "hurts him that he's on the team with Ayton"... Grayson Allen is getting national awards over Trier. Now I suppose Allen is a household name but he's also got a checkered past (for habitual ON COURT bad acts) and he plays next to a NPOY candidate.DrWildcat wrote:National awards have become a popularity contest. If we forget the stats, is it that big of a surprise he was left off? I say no. I think it hurts him that he is on a team with Ayton. Ayton grabs all the headlines and is who the media focuses on. That hurts come awards time IMO. Also, we are on the west coast so headlines are all that matter because no one watches the games.
Trier was on all the pre-finalist lists... and then dropped entirely from all of them. Have to assume it's for the PED mini-scandal and wonder if voting took place while he was still being held out.
Lightly under-performed. Not without reason (Rawle was out for three of our seven losses and Trier was out for a fourth).TatetheGreat wrote:Trier is also being punished because this team has disappointed. Pre-season #2 with first place votes to a 3 or 4 seed in March.
Ehhh. I mean, the Bahamas happened, we stumbled at home to a bad UCLA team, and lost 3 of 9 on the road in a pretty pedestrian conference.YoDeFoe wrote:Lightly under-performed. Not without reason (Rawle was out for three of our seven losses and Trier was out for a fourth).
Do you or anyone have The finalist's #s compared to Trier's?YoDeFoe wrote:Trier is right - he ought to be the favorite to win that award for best SG in the NCAA.
So basically the old school people who don't know/care about advanced metrics...YoDeFoe wrote:Yeah let's do this
Pts / Rebs / Asts / (Stls + Blks) / TS% / ORtg / PER / SOS
18.5 / 3.9 / 3.0 / 1.4 / 60.3% / 120.5 / 25.9 / 8.71
25.9 / 4.7 / 3.8 / 1.9 / 58.0% / 112.8 / 23.8 / -3.73
15.7 / 3.4 / 4.5 / 1.8 / 58.9% / 124.0 / 19.3 / 9.65
20.3 / 3.9 / 2.7 / 1.1 / 60.0% / 113.0 / 22.9 / 8.15
20.9 / 3.7 / 3.4 / 1.0 / 61.4% / 117.9 / 21.8 / 7.39
and Trier...
19.0 / 3.1 / 3.3 / 1.1 / 68.0% / 132.2 / 24.4/ 6.90
When you put it like that, it's so obvious Grayson Allen shouldn't be on that list.YoDeFoe wrote:Yeah let's do this
Pts / Rebs / Asts / (Stls + Blks) / TS% / ORtg / PER / SOS
18.5 / 3.9 / 3.0 / 1.4 / 60.3% / 120.5 / 25.9 / 8.71
25.9 / 4.7 / 3.8 / 1.9 / 58.0% / 112.8 / 23.8 / -3.73
15.7 / 3.4 / 4.5 / 1.8 / 58.9% / 124.0 / 19.3 / 9.65
20.3 / 3.9 / 2.7 / 1.1 / 60.0% / 113.0 / 22.9 / 8.15
20.9 / 3.7 / 3.4 / 1.0 / 61.4% / 117.9 / 21.8 / 7.39
and Trier...
19.0 / 3.1 / 3.3 / 1.1 / 68.0% / 132.2 / 24.4/ 6.90
SO FUCKING OBVIOUSSpaceman Spiff wrote:
When you put it like that, it's so obvious Grayson Allen shouldn't be on that list.
If people aren't aware of "shooting percentage" then I don't know what to do.prh wrote: So basically the old school people who don't know/care about advanced metrics...
Is that True Shooting percentage?YoDeFoe wrote:If people aren't aware of "shooting percentage" then I don't know what to do.prh wrote: So basically the old school people who don't know/care about advanced metrics...
Trier is having a historically efficient shooting season and no one seems to know about it.
Yeah, True Shooting %... it's definitely an advanced stat but also... he's the only guy shooting better than 50 / 40 / 85 so it doesn't take advanced stat knowledge to see what he's doing.prh wrote:Is that True Shooting percentage?YoDeFoe wrote:If people aren't aware of "shooting percentage" then I don't know what to do.prh wrote: So basically the old school people who don't know/care about advanced metrics...
Trier is having a historically efficient shooting season and no one seems to know about it.
I mean, I agree with you, he should be the front runner, and being left off the finalist list is atrocious. Maybe more so than when Kadeem Carey was left off the Doak Walker finalist list when he led the country in rushing.
I could stomach the others, but Allen just sticks out like a sore thumb. He has a name, plays for Duke, but the play does not put him on that list.YoDeFoe wrote:SO FUCKING OBVIOUSSpaceman Spiff wrote:
When you put it like that, it's so obvious Grayson Allen shouldn't be on that list.
Plus he's a twatpickle.Spaceman Spiff wrote:I could stomach the others, but Allen just sticks out like a sore thumb. He has a name, plays for Duke, but the play does not put him on that list.YoDeFoe wrote:SO FUCKING OBVIOUSSpaceman Spiff wrote:
When you put it like that, it's so obvious Grayson Allen shouldn't be on that list.
Which is actually a useful thing in defense of including Trier. Are voters excluding him bc of some alleged off court action?azgreg wrote:Plus he's a twatpickle.Spaceman Spiff wrote:I could stomach the others, but Allen just sticks out like a sore thumb. He has a name, plays for Duke, but the play does not put him on that list.YoDeFoe wrote:SO FUCKING OBVIOUSSpaceman Spiff wrote:
When you put it like that, it's so obvious Grayson Allen shouldn't be on that list.
There is no explanation for Trier's omissions from the Jerry West finalists or 2nd or 3rd team All American lists, other than it was an intentional snub for a particular reason.YoDeFoe wrote:Which is actually a useful thing in defense of including Trier. Are voters excluding him bc of some alleged off court action?azgreg wrote:Plus he's a twatpickle.Spaceman Spiff wrote:I could stomach the others, but Allen just sticks out like a sore thumb. He has a name, plays for Duke, but the play does not put him on that list.YoDeFoe wrote:SO FUCKING OBVIOUSSpaceman Spiff wrote:
When you put it like that, it's so obvious Grayson Allen shouldn't be on that list.
Well Grayson Allen has ON COURT issues and Kendrick Nunn has a criminal record for hitting a woman. Are we really going to sideline Trier for a PED case that he already was punished for last year?
YesNYCat wrote:You dropped 6500 just to confirm how good Trier is?
I think I know who to start sucking up to when I'm old and destitute.NYCat wrote:You dropped 6500 just to confirm how good Trier is?
Well damn they announced 4-5 years ago they were getting rid of the consumer product. I guess not. Since it's too late into the season, guess I'll subscribe when the Cats are good again. Years ago I tried buying a Synergy subscription, thank God they said no.YoDeFoe wrote:JK fan access is $20/m.
Once I found Hoop-Math I freaked the fuck out - great source of stats, and largely free. But scratching that itch only led me to wanting the full package (Synergy). I didn't know about barttorvik until this season and I'm super impressed. Them/kenpom + hoop-math + sportsreference SHOULD be good enough for the anyone who isn't a full blown stat freak.NYCat wrote:Well damn they announced 4-5 years ago they were getting rid of the consumer product. I guess not. Since it's too late into the season, guess I'll subscribe when the Cats are good again. Years ago I tried buying a Synergy subscription, thank God they said no.YoDeFoe wrote:JK fan access is $20/m.
Have been using Kenpom subscription
Also
https://hoop-math.com" target="_blank
And
http://barttorvik.com" target="_blank
Obviously not as good
I'd say he's improved, if you lift the leg, the refs catch that and you get the trip right away, might have gotten away with the butt hutt if they hadn't looked at the replay.Merkin wrote:
Too many 3's tonightBeachcat97 wrote:What was up with Trier? Seriously? 2-13? I mean...
2 of 10 from there if i'm remembering correctly.84Cat wrote:Too many 3's tonightBeachcat97 wrote:What was up with Trier? Seriously? 2-13? I mean...
Man, Trier has been clutch all year for us. Big shots, gets to the foul line in the clutch, makes his foul shot in the clutch. He may be the best closer in college basketball. And even in an off night, how many free throws does he get his teammates when the fouls he picks up helps push us in the bonus and double bonus that much quicker. Teams have to know where Trier is at all times too, just like an Ayton. Thats a constant stress on a defense.catgrad97 wrote:Dude seriously presses in the form of ballhogging at the worst possible times.
Rawle wasn't much better tonight under pressure, but seriously: Neither of our starting wings have exactly stepped up and shown leadership in the clutch this season.
And that's dangerous, especially if their petty little infighting gets personal and they stop feeding Ayton.
I don't disagree. But jeez, when he's cold, it's bad. Two straight airballs? It's perplexing how a guy can be so hot and then so cold. I'm guessing it's in his head since he's physically healthy, right?rgdeuce wrote:Man, Trier has been clutch all year for us. Big shots, gets to the foul line in the clutch, makes his foul shot in the clutch. He may be the best closer in college basketball. And even in an off night, how many free throws does he get his teammates when the fouls he picks up helps push us in the bonus and double bonus that much quicker. Teams have to know where Trier is at all times too, just like an Ayton. Thats a constant stress on a defense.