Bear Down Wildcats

Thanks coach!

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I think we had better prepare for the most disappointing, underachieving season for Arizona basketball since 2004.

This loss was entirely mental. As Katzenfreund pointed out, a shocking lack of leadership on display tonight, and from players three years in the program.

WildcatStunner wrote:The way we are playing a mid major would feast on us in the opening round.

They'll see how successful a simple 2-3 zone is

One of the biggest issues is that we lost Nick and Aaron and no one has really stepped into their roles or gotten better.

Stanley is nice to have, but he isn't nearly as good as Nick or Gordon yet.
RHJ isn't better than last year. Maybe defensively, but not scoring the ball.
Zeus is not better.
TJ has come up big, but he is what he is.
Ashley is back but he seems more concerned about developing his outside shot for the NBA than defending or taking charge on the interior.

I don't know. Just seems like we have taken major steps backwards from last year.

loomer wrote:

WildcatStunner wrote:The way we are playing a mid major would feast on us in the opening round.

They'll see how successful a simple 2-3 zone was

Without a doubt. They will zone us, we miss some baskets, they hit some 3's. Ladies and Gentlemen, I present to you the new Cinderella.

PieceOfMeat wrote:

AZCatGirl wrote:

PieceOfMeat wrote:

AZCatGirl wrote:This loss really isn't a big deal guys.

This loss is indicative of the various flaws that this team has and will put a serious damper on many people's expectations.

It was a road game in January. No need to think this changes things in March.

And when we lose in the elite 8, or maybe even before that round, you will be able to point back at games like this one and unlv and demonstrate how our glaring weaknesses were present all year.

Same as last year.

Same as the year before.

Etc. etc. etc.

Guess all the other top 10 teams that lost are done too.

AZCatGirl wrote:

PieceOfMeat wrote:

AZCatGirl wrote:

PieceOfMeat wrote:

AZCatGirl wrote:This loss really isn't a big deal guys.

This loss is indicative of the various flaws that this team has and will put a serious damper on many people's expectations.

It was a road game in January. No need to think this changes things in March.

And when we lose in the elite 8, or maybe even before that round, you will be able to point back at games like this one and unlv and demonstrate how our glaring weaknesses were present all year.

Same as last year.

Same as the year before.

Etc. etc. etc.

Guess all the other top 10 teams that lost are done too.

Did any of them lose to teams as bad as Oregon State?

billk78 wrote:One of the biggest issues is that we lost Nick and Aaron and no one has really stepped into their roles or gotten better.

Stanley is nice to have, but he isn't nearly as good as Nick or Gordon yet.
RHJ isn't better than last year. Maybe defensively, but not scoring the ball.
Zeus is not better.
TJ has come up big, but he is what he is.
Ashley is back but he seems more concerned about developing his outside shot for the NBA than defending or taking charge on the interior.

I don't know. Just seems like we have taken major steps backwards from last year.

Zeus has regressed. His numbers are pretty much down across the board, especially rebounding

Yes Rutgers is bad

And the worst part is that the defense actually gave up the game-winning shot after forcing the tie. Haven't seen that since the Sweet 16 two seasons ago.

Face it: The zone once again made our studs out to be the impatient, psychologically immature diva recruits more than a few of them are. We got Tinkled.

WildcatStunner wrote:

AZCatGirl wrote:Guess all the other top 10 teams that lost are done too.

Did any of them lose to teams as bad as Oregon State?

Rutgers beating Wisconsin is probably worse. At the least just as bad.

loomer wrote:

billk78 wrote:One of the biggest issues is that we lost Nick and Aaron and no one has really stepped into their roles or gotten better.

Stanley is nice to have, but he isn't nearly as good as Nick or Gordon yet.
RHJ isn't better than last year. Maybe defensively, but not scoring the ball.
Zeus is not better.
TJ has come up big, but he is what he is.
Ashley is back but he seems more concerned about developing his outside shot for the NBA than defending or taking charge on the interior.

I don't know. Just seems like we have taken major steps backwards from last year.

Zeus has regressed. His numbers are pretty much down across the board, especially rebounding

There has to be concern over the development of players from year to year. Now I know it's still a bit early...but honestly can we say anyone has improved from last year?

another hardest week of practice of our team's lives coming up?


on a totally unrelated note, i just noticed that loomer is a slowdive (and probably mbv) fan, which is fucking awesome.

AZCatGirl wrote:

WildcatStunner wrote:

AZCatGirl wrote:Guess all the other top 10 teams that lost are done too.

Did any of them lose to teams as bad as Oregon State?

Rutgers beating Wisconsin is probably worse. At the least just as bad.

Rutgers is worse but Kaminsky didn't play

catgrad97 wrote:And the worst part is that the defense actually gave up the game-winning shot after forcing the tie. Haven't seen that since the Sweet 16 two seasons ago.

Face it: The zone once again made our studs out to be the impatient, psychologically immature diva recruits more than a few of them are. We got Tinkled.

I know people are killing Zeus, but him and Ashley needed to be on the floor for defense on that final possession for for Or State. If they are in I don't think that drive to the bucket happens.

AZCatGirl wrote:
Guess all the other top 10 teams that lost are done too.

Guess all the teams with glaring weaknesses and bad losses all go on to win the championship.

loomer wrote:

AZCatGirl wrote:

WildcatStunner wrote:

AZCatGirl wrote:Guess all the other top 10 teams that lost are done too.

Did any of them lose to teams as bad as Oregon State?

Rutgers beating Wisconsin is probably worse. At the least just as bad.

Rutgers is worse but Kaminsky didn't play

Wisconsin has a lot of issues if they need Kaminsky to beat Rutgers.

loomer wrote:

AZCatGirl wrote:

WildcatStunner wrote:

AZCatGirl wrote:Guess all the other top 10 teams that lost are done too.

Did any of them lose to teams as bad as Oregon State?

Rutgers beating Wisconsin is probably worse. At the least just as bad.

Rutgers is worse but Kaminsky didn't play

We don't get that excuse. All we have is a bunch of athletes that can't shoot and shooters who are supposed to be good but not so much.

Wasn't WI missing Kaminsky? Losing to Oregon St would be more forgivable if we were missing a player... any player even...

AZCatGirl wrote:

WildcatStunner wrote:

AZCatGirl wrote:Guess all the other top 10 teams that lost are done too.

Did any of them lose to teams as bad as Oregon State?

Rutgers beating Wisconsin is probably worse. At the least just as bad.

Not when Wisconsin was without their best player

tucsonsean wrote:Wasn't WI missing Kaminsky? Losing to Oregon St would be more forgivable if we were missing a player... any player even...

We were missing NJ AND Aaron Gordon

77HoyaCat4Ever wrote:

tucsonsean wrote:Wasn't WI missing Kaminsky? Losing to Oregon St would be more forgivable if we were missing a player... any player even...

We were missing NJ AND Aaron Gordon

And DWill

dirtbags wrote:another hardest week of practice of our team's lives coming up?


on a totally unrelated note, i just noticed that loomer is a slowdive (and probably mbv) fan, which is fucking awesome.

Yup Nice to see another shoegazer on the boards

PieceOfMeat wrote:

AZCatGirl wrote:
Guess all the other top 10 teams that lost are done too.

Guess all the teams with glaring weaknesses and bad losses all go on to win the championship.

Well it happened last year.

Kinda fun watching the Chicken Littles and Debbie Downers frolic in the rain ...

77HoyaCat4Ever wrote:

tucsonsean wrote:Wasn't WI missing Kaminsky? Losing to Oregon St would be more forgivable if we were missing a player... any player even...

We were missing NJ AND Aaron Gordon

Phew! I feel a little better now...

When do those guys come back again?

billk78 wrote:

catgrad97 wrote:And the worst part is that the defense actually gave up the game-winning shot after forcing the tie. Haven't seen that since the Sweet 16 two seasons ago.

Face it: The zone once again made our studs out to be the impatient, psychologically immature diva recruits more than a few of them are. We got Tinkled.

I know people are killing Zeus, but him and Ashley needed to be on the floor for defense on that final possession for for Or State. If they are in I don't think that drive to the bucket happens.

Frankly, I think Miller had the guys on the floor who he felt deserved a shot at winning the game.

Not having Ashley or Zeus out there late leads me to believe he would be in agreement with our assessments of their efforts tonight.

Yeah, York stunk on ice from the perimeter too, but he's no longer a starter and doesn't have the expectation anymore of being that deadeye outside shooter, because he's not.

People are killing Zeus because he's a seven-foot behemoth who outsized everyone on the court yet couldn't get a single rebound. That is pathetic.

Reydituto wrote:Kinda fun watching the Chicken Littles and Debbie Downers frolic in the rain ...

It's not chicken littles when it's all 100% true. I'll be surprised if we lose less than 6-7 games before the tourney and if we even make it to the sweet 16. May not even be a top 4 seed at this rate.

Reydituto wrote:Kinda fun watching the Chicken Littles and Debbie Downers frolic in the rain ...

To be fair, I am not abandoning this team. But tonight is really making me rethink my expectations of them.

loomer wrote:

dirtbags wrote:another hardest week of practice of our team's lives coming up?


on a totally unrelated note, i just noticed that loomer is a slowdive (and probably mbv) fan, which is fucking awesome.

Yup Nice to see another shoegazer on the boards

yeah man, jamc and pre-simpatico velocity girl, too. giving me KAMP radio flashbacks!

ASUHATER! wrote:

Reydituto wrote:Kinda fun watching the Chicken Littles and Debbie Downers frolic in the rain ...

It's not chicken littles when it's all 100% true. I'll be surprised if we lose less than 6-7 games before the tourney and if we even make it to the sweet 16. May not even be a top 4 seed at this rate.

Hyperbole has never been your friend Hater ...

AZCatGirl wrote:

PieceOfMeat wrote:

AZCatGirl wrote:
Guess all the other top 10 teams that lost are done too.

Guess all the teams with glaring weaknesses and bad losses all go on to win the championship.

Well it happened last year.

It did? Just how many trophies did they hand out?

PieceOfMeat wrote:

AZCatGirl wrote:

PieceOfMeat wrote:

AZCatGirl wrote:
Guess all the other top 10 teams that lost are done too.

Guess all the teams with glaring weaknesses and bad losses all go on to win the championship.

Well it happened last year.

It did? Just how many trophies did they hand out?

UConn was a favorite to win it all?

AZCatGirl wrote:

PieceOfMeat wrote:

AZCatGirl wrote:

PieceOfMeat wrote:

AZCatGirl wrote:
Guess all the other top 10 teams that lost are done too.

Guess all the teams with glaring weaknesses and bad losses all go on to win the championship.

Well it happened last year.

It did? Just how many trophies did they hand out?

UConn was a favorite to win it all?

So they were the only team with bad losses and glaring weaknesses?

PieceOfMeat wrote:So they were the only team with bad losses and glaring weaknesses?

No, but it shows the best team doesn't always win. Obviously the way we played tonight was horrible, but there's still time to correct some of the issues. If we still look this bad near the end of the season I'll start lowering my expectations.

tucsonsean wrote:Wasn't WI missing Kaminsky? Losing to Oregon St would be more forgivable if we were missing a player... any player even...

Craig Victor smirks at your comment.

Merkin wrote:

tucsonsean wrote:Wasn't WI missing Kaminsky? Losing to Oregon St would be more forgivable if we were missing a player... any player even...

Craig Victor smirks at your comment.

lol...PERfect.

AZCatGirl wrote:

PieceOfMeat wrote:So they were the only team with bad losses and glaring weaknesses?

No, but it shows the best team doesn't always win. Obviously the way we played tonight was horrible, but there's still time to correct some of the issues. If we still look this bad near the end of the season I'll start lowering my expectations.

Nobody claimed the best (I'm assuming you meant regular season) team always wins.

ASUHATER! wrote:

Reydituto wrote:Kinda fun watching the Chicken Littles and Debbie Downers frolic in the rain ...

It's not chicken littles when it's all 100% true. I'll be surprised if we lose less than 6-7 games before the tourney and if we even make it to the sweet 16. May not even be a top 4 seed at this rate.

Awesome post.


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