Bear Down Wildcats

Longhorned wrote: Sun Jun 12, 2022 10:03 am

EastCoastCat wrote: Sun Jun 12, 2022 6:30 am

prh wrote: Sat Jun 11, 2022 6:41 pm I'm confused at how "cool we're both Wildcats" carries more weight than "we disagree when it comes to people dying" but hmm ok

I think you are confused...but about the wrong things. Nobody disagrees when it comes to people dying. Nobody advocates that although when Dove says "Die! Mother Fucker Die!" I have to remind myself he's just joking.

The disagreements are around how do we prevent people from dying in these senseless shootings.

And if you go to the politics board, please be aware that posters aren't going to agree with you if you don't substantiate your position. If you say something unsupportable that falls on the left, you'll be corrected. If you say something unsupportable that falls on the right or balances the left and right, you'll be corrected, but if you keep trying to argue your point in a way that engages the right wing extreme, posters belonging to the vastly left-leaning community down there are going take personal offense and treat your posts as such.

YoDeFoe wrote: Sun Jun 12, 2022 1:39 pm Want to again note that it's not "you and I differ in opinion, therefore I can't tolerate you" that we're talking about here.

It's "you've repeatedly attacked me character and insulted me over our difference in opinion, therefore I can't tolerate you."

The call to maintain civility - to refrain from personal attacks - is a pretty fucking low bar to clear. I'm seeing a lot of replies that are either ignoring that this is the issue at hand, or that reject that we should refrain from denigrating each other (no matter what board it is on). That's surprising and troubling.

Alieberman wrote: Sat Jun 11, 2022 6:24 am
That's kind of how's it been throughout the years. The Politics board has been our Vegas. What happens in the Politics Board.... stays in the Politics Board.

Alieberman wrote: Sun Jun 12, 2022 1:51 pm

YoDeFoe wrote: Sun Jun 12, 2022 1:39 pm Want to again note that it's not "you and I differ in opinion, therefore I can't tolerate you" that we're talking about here.

It's "you've repeatedly attacked me character and insulted me over our difference in opinion, therefore I can't tolerate you."

The call to maintain civility - to refrain from personal attacks - is a pretty fucking low bar to clear. I'm seeing a lot of replies that are either ignoring that this is the issue at hand, or that reject that we should refrain from denigrating each other (no matter what board it is on). That's surprising and troubling.

You are exactly right YDF-

There is no way the political boards won’t get heated. But there is no reason it can’t stay above the belt.

As a mod I will do a better job to ensure this happens. I hope my fellow mods will follow suit

Carcassdragger wrote: Sun Jun 12, 2022 1:13 pm

Longhorned wrote: Sun Jun 12, 2022 10:03 am

EastCoastCat wrote: Sun Jun 12, 2022 6:30 am

prh wrote: Sat Jun 11, 2022 6:41 pm I'm confused at how "cool we're both Wildcats" carries more weight than "we disagree when it comes to people dying" but hmm ok

I think you are confused...but about the wrong things. Nobody disagrees when it comes to people dying. Nobody advocates that although when Dove says "Die! Mother Fucker Die!" I have to remind myself he's just joking.

The disagreements are around how do we prevent people from dying in these senseless shootings.

And if you go to the politics board, please be aware that posters aren't going to agree with you if you don't substantiate your position. If you say something unsupportable that falls on the left, you'll be corrected. If you say something unsupportable that falls on the right or balances the left and right, you'll be corrected, but if you keep trying to argue your point in a way that engages the right wing extreme, posters belonging to the vastly left-leaning community down there are going take personal offense and treat your posts as such.

This is often very incorrect. If you say something down there that is not far leaning left or falls in the middle, you'll often be hit with vitriolic attacks by those that seem overly prone to take it personal.

Longhorned wrote: Sun Jun 12, 2022 6:07 pm

Carcassdragger wrote: Sun Jun 12, 2022 1:13 pm

Longhorned wrote: Sun Jun 12, 2022 10:03 am

EastCoastCat wrote: Sun Jun 12, 2022 6:30 am

prh wrote: Sat Jun 11, 2022 6:41 pm I'm confused at how "cool we're both Wildcats" carries more weight than "we disagree when it comes to people dying" but hmm ok

I think you are confused...but about the wrong things. Nobody disagrees when it comes to people dying. Nobody advocates that although when Dove says "Die! Mother Fucker Die!" I have to remind myself he's just joking.

The disagreements are around how do we prevent people from dying in these senseless shootings.

And if you go to the politics board, please be aware that posters aren't going to agree with you if you don't substantiate your position. If you say something unsupportable that falls on the left, you'll be corrected. If you say something unsupportable that falls on the right or balances the left and right, you'll be corrected, but if you keep trying to argue your point in a way that engages the right wing extreme, posters belonging to the vastly left-leaning community down there are going take personal offense and treat your posts as such.

This is often very incorrect. If you say something down there that is not far leaning left or falls in the middle, you'll often be hit with vitriolic attacks by those that seem overly prone to take it personal.

Yes, thank you. The fast trigger. I think that's one of the things YDF is asking posters to take some basic personal responsibility for, and what Alieberman and Chicat are offering to moderate when posters don't take responsibility for.

I'm trying to explain it, not excuse it. The politics board has an overwhelming majority of posters who are horrified. When debating sensitive issues, sensitivity for fellow posters carries low priority. If the conversation involves the kind of thinking that's understood to bring actual harm to actual people, the community is largely insensitive to when the feelings of an individual poster get hurt. It happens the same way on right-leaning politics boards, and for a similarly articulated reason.

It's bullshit to say there aren't actual stakes on a politics message board. Posters are looking to sway the opinions of fellow posters who donate, vote, and consume information from different sources. Where else do people talk about these things? At work? Neighborhood gatherings? Hardly.

There's a recognized dynamic where people from a privileged demographic are perceived to express more concern over being beat down personally than they express for the precarious people impacted by the positions they're espousing. Let's have eyes wide open about that dynamic as we take up the necessary challenge of self-control and what moderator's enforcement. No more personal attacks. But as that hopefully happens, let's also have thick skin and self-control when some posters endure a more objective and protracted dismantling. Some pretty offensive things get said back in the other direction when that takes place.

Alieberman wrote: Sat Jun 11, 2022 5:21 am I enjoy the lower boards. I discover a lot down there.

The Politics Board has always had its own rules (basically none) I would welcome the change to keep it more respectful. As a mod here, I'm willing to step up and help clean it up if that's what people want.

And for the record- I was 1 of the people who had been "arguing" with Spiff down there but I never felt I said anything that would be considered below the belt. I'll read back through my posts though. If I did get personal- I sincerely apologize.

Jefe wrote: Tue Jun 14, 2022 4:04 pm $5 says he's back before Ramey's first 20pt game

Postmaster wrote: Wed Jun 15, 2022 4:07 pm What happened to the “is this chick hot?” Thread?

Alieberman wrote: Wed Jun 15, 2022 5:09 pm

Postmaster wrote: Wed Jun 15, 2022 4:07 pm What happened to the “is this chick hot?” Thread?

Us mods actually voted to kill that thread several years ago… trying not to foster a misogynistic atmosphere