Re: Week 2: UTSA Scout/Discussion
Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2014 7:15 pm
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Thanks Ang! That was a fun read.ANGCatFan wrote:Official game notes
After his first week calculations, Sagarin has Arizona as about a 13-1/2 point favorite @ UTSA.UAEebs86 wrote:Arizona opens as an 8 point favorite.
You can also catch the replay on ESPN3.ANGCatFan wrote:Here are the best UTSA-Houston highlights I could find.
#42 and #97 were extremely disruptive against UofH. The whole front 7 dominated. Either UTSA has a great front 7 or UofH has the worst line ever. Maybe a combination of both. O'Korn is a good QB, but he had guys in his face as soon as he got the ball. UTSA had 4 picks and dropped 2 easy ones.ANGCatFan wrote:Thanks for posting. Would love to hear which USAT players we should keep our eyes on and which players are the fan favorites and why.AFRoadrunner12 wrote:The outcome of the game will be determined by how our secondary responds to your passing game and how your o-line does against our defensive front. Playing against your wide-receivers will definitely serve as the litmus test for our Secondary. Watching your WRs out-run UNLV's secondary was a beautiful thing, and does worry me, because Houston still had a decent day if you take a look at their passing yards compared to what they averaged last year. However, our secondary made some great heads-up plays and capitalized on bad-passes forced by our front-uglies. That being said, Solomon is no O'Korn. For a freshman he looked damn composed, and it's going to be much more difficult to stop your passing game compared to Houston's. UTSA also isn't a pushover of a team like UNLV. We will give you guys a hard time, and I think your line is going to struggle keeping Solomon on his feet, and Jones and Wilson north of the line of scrimmage, especially if you allowed the likes UNLV two sacks and three TFLs.
All in all, it's going to be a good game and hopefully much more closer than most of you are predicting.
P.S. Thank you for being understanding that our one winged-nut (who will not be named) is not all representative of the Rowdytalk community.
Lots of Tucson fans have this picked as our trap game. You guys are big and experienced and fans have been preaching that we better show up in SA ready for a battle.
Here's to a hard fought, injury free game on Thursday and good luck after you play us.
I'd hope the combination of an experienced line and a good ability to spread the ball east/west will take some of the bite out of a pass rush. When you have guys who are dangerous in the screen game (and we do), it's harder to attack up the field.the real dill wrote:#42 and #97 were extremely disruptive against UofH. The whole front 7 dominated. Either UTSA has a great front 7 or UofH has the worst line ever. Maybe a combination of both. O'Korn is a good QB, but he had guys in his face as soon as he got the ball. UTSA had 4 picks and dropped 2 easy ones.ANGCatFan wrote:Thanks for posting. Would love to hear which USAT players we should keep our eyes on and which players are the fan favorites and why.AFRoadrunner12 wrote:The outcome of the game will be determined by how our secondary responds to your passing game and how your o-line does against our defensive front. Playing against your wide-receivers will definitely serve as the litmus test for our Secondary. Watching your WRs out-run UNLV's secondary was a beautiful thing, and does worry me, because Houston still had a decent day if you take a look at their passing yards compared to what they averaged last year. However, our secondary made some great heads-up plays and capitalized on bad-passes forced by our front-uglies. That being said, Solomon is no O'Korn. For a freshman he looked damn composed, and it's going to be much more difficult to stop your passing game compared to Houston's. UTSA also isn't a pushover of a team like UNLV. We will give you guys a hard time, and I think your line is going to struggle keeping Solomon on his feet, and Jones and Wilson north of the line of scrimmage, especially if you allowed the likes UNLV two sacks and three TFLs.
All in all, it's going to be a good game and hopefully much more closer than most of you are predicting.
P.S. Thank you for being understanding that our one winged-nut (who will not be named) is not all representative of the Rowdytalk community.
Lots of Tucson fans have this picked as our trap game. You guys are big and experienced and fans have been preaching that we better show up in SA ready for a battle.
Here's to a hard fought, injury free game on Thursday and good luck after you play us.
It was both. UTSA's biggest strength is its defense, and the biggest strength of their defense is their defensive line. UH's biggest weakness was their offensive line.the real dill wrote:#42 and #97 were extremely disruptive against UofH. The whole front 7 dominated. Either UTSA has a great front 7 or UofH has the worst line ever. Maybe a combination of both. O'Korn is a good QB, but he had guys in his face as soon as he got the ball. UTSA had 4 picks and dropped 2 easy ones.ANGCatFan wrote:Thanks for posting. Would love to hear which USAT players we should keep our eyes on and which players are the fan favorites and why.AFRoadrunner12 wrote:The outcome of the game will be determined by how our secondary responds to your passing game and how your o-line does against our defensive front. Playing against your wide-receivers will definitely serve as the litmus test for our Secondary. Watching your WRs out-run UNLV's secondary was a beautiful thing, and does worry me, because Houston still had a decent day if you take a look at their passing yards compared to what they averaged last year. However, our secondary made some great heads-up plays and capitalized on bad-passes forced by our front-uglies. That being said, Solomon is no O'Korn. For a freshman he looked damn composed, and it's going to be much more difficult to stop your passing game compared to Houston's. UTSA also isn't a pushover of a team like UNLV. We will give you guys a hard time, and I think your line is going to struggle keeping Solomon on his feet, and Jones and Wilson north of the line of scrimmage, especially if you allowed the likes UNLV two sacks and three TFLs.
All in all, it's going to be a good game and hopefully much more closer than most of you are predicting.
P.S. Thank you for being understanding that our one winged-nut (who will not be named) is not all representative of the Rowdytalk community.
Lots of Tucson fans have this picked as our trap game. You guys are big and experienced and fans have been preaching that we better show up in SA ready for a battle.
Here's to a hard fought, injury free game on Thursday and good luck after you play us.
Our offense will go between WR Kam Jones (1) and RB David Glasco (11), and Jones is utilized more in Jet-Sweeps and and the short pass game than as a down-field wide receiver. Historically, even with our former QB Eric Soza, our long-passing game has been a weakness, especially in 3d and long situation, and that's a question we're still trying to figure out with our present QB Tucker Carter (6). There were a few signs of life in our passing game; a couple great receptions for decent yards, but there was also a few times he dumped the ball to Jones in the slot as a safety net when there was an open man down the field. We also focused on ball-control this time around as a way to keep Houston from forcing us into turnovers like last year (which in a lot of games where Houston won, they'd be behind in offensive productions(to include our matchup with them last September, but still win because of the turnover battle...shitty offense, very decent defense), thus taking the teeth away from their defense. Note that Carter had no interceptions. Our O-Line isn't anything to overlook either, and are why we ran as well as we did Friday.qwertyus wrote:It was both. UTSA's biggest strength is its defense, and the biggest strength of their defense is their defensive line. UH's biggest weakness was their offensive line.the real dill wrote:#42 and #97 were extremely disruptive against UofH. The whole front 7 dominated. Either UTSA has a great front 7 or UofH has the worst line ever. Maybe a combination of both. O'Korn is a good QB, but he had guys in his face as soon as he got the ball. UTSA had 4 picks and dropped 2 easy ones.ANGCatFan wrote:
Thanks for posting. Would love to hear which USAT players we should keep our eyes on and which players are the fan favorites and why.
Lots of Tucson fans have this picked as our trap game. You guys are big and experienced and fans have been preaching that we better show up in SA ready for a battle.
Here's to a hard fought, injury free game on Thursday and good luck after you play us.
AFRoadrunner12 wrote:
P.S. To the dude who reported the poll listing UTSA at #100, USA Today's Rankings has us at #45.
I hope he doesn't. I've posted like 25 times over there. If he's got questions, then I'm not doin' my job!ANGCatFan wrote:AFRR12 -- Great stuff. Thanks for the breakdown. Do you have any questions about our team?
Yes, I agree, this will be the biggest test of our secondary. We won't play a passing attack like you guys or Okie State for the rest of the season in-conference . However, Houston is a team that makes their money off the pass.dc4azcats wrote:Arizona gave up 17 sacks all last season (2nd to Stanford in conf who gave up 16) and the sacks that they gave up last week were off of blitz's which is a high risk high reward proposition. Anu will get rid of the ball quickly this week but at the same time our OL is experienced and will certainly be up to the task.
The biggest problem that I see for UTSA and AFRoadrunner pointed this out is our WR's. There's no way that UTSA can duplicate what it's going up against in a practice vs a scout team.
AFRoadrunner also mentions that UTSA's QB had no interceptions LW but he also only threw for 121 yards and barely completed 50% of his passes. It also looks like he doesn't like to run the ball and I think that will be a problem as well.
I liked this quote a lot by AFRoadrunner: "Now, if we're able to shut down Jones and keep Solomon from being mobile in a fashion similar to how we did Houston, you'll see us start running a 3-5 to shut down the pass. And though your front isn't as weak as Houston's, we're a lot stronger than UNLV."
Before you rag on Unlv you do know that they went to a bowl game LY right? They also play in what I would consider a better conference as well. They also returned 7 starters on O and 6 on D so pump the brakes on "we're a lot stronger than Unlv." You guys went 7-5 LY right or did I miss something? Unlv went 7-6. Better? Probably. A lot better? I don't know about that - we will see on Saturday.
First off our passing game sets up the run game. We make you cover the entire field as our WR's will line up from one sideline to the next which creates a lot of room for our slot guys and also leaves the middle of the field wide open. 8 guys caught passes for Houston which spells big time trouble for UTSA as far as I'm concerned. If you can't stop the pass then it will be difficult to stop the run.
I think you guys are underestimating how cool a customer Anu is, not to mention that the guy trusts his OL and is as he has been described repeatedly "slippery". Look forward to Thursday night.
qwertyus wrote:I hope he doesn't. I've posted like 25 times over there. If he's got questions, then I'm not doin' my job!ANGCatFan wrote:AFRR12 -- Great stuff. Thanks for the breakdown. Do you have any questions about our team?
Nah, totally understand. What's a conversation without arguing?azgreg wrote:Hey AFR12,dc4 probably has more passion for the Cats than any other 2 fans combined. Plus he's a long time poster on all the Cat boards as well as a team insider whose info is always spot on. No ruffles feathers here. We love the banter and interaction from other fans as long as it's not from the syphilis factory in Tempe.
Fox Sports 1MountainCat wrote:So were on TV can we watch the game? I only can find a tape delay at 11:30pm.
That's were I saw the programming for the replay and they didn't have the game live. I have dish and hopefully the programming guide wasn't fully updated when I looked yesterday. I need live football!azgreg wrote: Fox Sports 1
Like I said, hopefully I read it wrong or had a guide that was not updated at the time.CalStateTempe wrote:wait a second...this game isn't going to shown live?
walking to ledge...
MountainCat wrote:That's were I saw the programming for the replay and they didn't have the game live. I have dish and hopefully the programming guide wasn't fully updated when I looked yesterday. I need live football!azgreg wrote: Fox Sports 1
Pfft. As if ASU fans would be smart enough to create economies of scale with their rampant STI's...azgreg wrote:Hey AFR12,dc4 probably has more passion for the Cats than any other 2 fans combined. Plus he's a long time poster on all the Cat boards as well as a team insider whose info is always spot on. No ruffles feathers here. We love the banter and interaction from other fans as long as it's not from the syphilis factory in Tempe.
You know, one thing we actually haven't touched on is the comparative "strengths" of UNLV, UTSA, or UH. UNLV has been a program that's been struggling for a long time. I believe they won 6 times in Huack's first 3 years as HC, 2-11, 2-10, 2-11. Then, they won 7 games last year, including Air Force and SDSU, which aren't too shabby. Also, their victories came against 7 FBS teams, so that's nice for them to get to a bowl without FCS padding like a lot of other teams (here's looking at you, SEC...). *AFRoadrunner12 wrote:Yes, I agree, this will be the biggest test of our secondary. We won't play a passing attack like you guys or Okie State for the rest of the season in-conference . However, Houston is a team that makes their money off the pass.dc4azcats wrote:Arizona gave up 17 sacks all last season (2nd to Stanford in conf who gave up 16) and the sacks that they gave up last week were off of blitz's which is a high risk high reward proposition. Anu will get rid of the ball quickly this week but at the same time our OL is experienced and will certainly be up to the task.
The biggest problem that I see for UTSA and AFRoadrunner pointed this out is our WR's. There's no way that UTSA can duplicate what it's going up against in a practice vs a scout team.
AFRoadrunner also mentions that UTSA's QB had no interceptions LW but he also only threw for 121 yards and barely completed 50% of his passes. It also looks like he doesn't like to run the ball and I think that will be a problem as well.
I liked this quote a lot by AFRoadrunner: "Now, if we're able to shut down Jones and keep Solomon from being mobile in a fashion similar to how we did Houston, you'll see us start running a 3-5 to shut down the pass. And though your front isn't as weak as Houston's, we're a lot stronger than UNLV."
Before you rag on Unlv you do know that they went to a bowl game LY right? They also play in what I would consider a better conference as well. They also returned 7 starters on O and 6 on D so pump the brakes on "we're a lot stronger than Unlv." You guys went 7-5 LY right or did I miss something? Unlv went 7-6. Better? Probably. A lot better? I don't know about that - we will see on Saturday.
First off our passing game sets up the run game. We make you cover the entire field as our WR's will line up from one sideline to the next which creates a lot of room for our slot guys and also leaves the middle of the field wide open. 8 guys caught passes for Houston which spells big time trouble for UTSA as far as I'm concerned. If you can't stop the pass then it will be difficult to stop the run.
I think you guys are underestimating how cool a customer Anu is, not to mention that the guy trusts his OL and is as he has been described repeatedly "slippery". Look forward to Thursday night.
In regards to Carter, yes, he's a big question mark for us. However, it was his first start, and we played a defense that's successful against the pass. And even though his completion percentage was less than desirable, I'm happy with him not commiting any turnovers, especially against a team that last year averaged 2 interceptions a game.
I am aware of UNLV playing in a bowl and who they share a conference with. However, in last year's Heart of Dallas Bowl, UNLV lost to North Texas (a C-USA team) 36-14. We beat North Texas 21-13 last year in Denton. We went 7-5 last year, even after losing all our out of conference games except New Mexico, lost only to Marshall and Rice in conference, and finished second in our division, behind Rice. In fact, had Rice lost to Tulane at the end of the season, we would have played Marshall for the C-USA Championship (neither here nor there). Had we not been in FBS probationary status because of being in our third year of football and because we were still in the reclassification from FCS to FBS, we would have gone to a bowl. We're expected to play Marshall this year for the C-USA championship, if all goes well in conference play (because anything can happen). Also, we return 21 starters and 34 seniors. So, this is why I feel justified to say we're stronger than UNLV.
All in all, many questions will be answered Tomorrow. Just don't write us off. We're better than a lot of people give us credit for, and that's mainly how young our program is.
Having 34 seniors to be honest with you means next to nothing to me because I don't know if all 34 are worth a crap. That's not a diss, I'm just tired of hearing about how many seniors you have. The one senior you don't have is Souza and not only was he your best player at the most important position on the field, but he was also the heart and soul of your team. You don't replace that guy with a guy who had thrown all of 33 passes before last weeks game and think that just because you have 34 seniors returning that you will automatically be good. Carter's a Senior and he threw for 121 yards and barely completed half his passes. If you had Souza back I would agree with you but you don't. Carter may turn out to be a good QB but he's nowhere near what you had LY and I think more than anything - that will be your biggest problem playing Arizona.AFRoadrunner12 wrote:Yes, I agree, this will be the biggest test of our secondary. We won't play a passing attack like you guys or Okie State for the rest of the season in-conference . However, Houston is a team that makes their money off the pass.dc4azcats wrote:Arizona gave up 17 sacks all last season (2nd to Stanford in conf who gave up 16) and the sacks that they gave up last week were off of blitz's which is a high risk high reward proposition. Anu will get rid of the ball quickly this week but at the same time our OL is experienced and will certainly be up to the task.
The biggest problem that I see for UTSA and AFRoadrunner pointed this out is our WR's. There's no way that UTSA can duplicate what it's going up against in a practice vs a scout team.
AFRoadrunner also mentions that UTSA's QB had no interceptions LW but he also only threw for 121 yards and barely completed 50% of his passes. It also looks like he doesn't like to run the ball and I think that will be a problem as well.
I liked this quote a lot by AFRoadrunner: "Now, if we're able to shut down Jones and keep Solomon from being mobile in a fashion similar to how we did Houston, you'll see us start running a 3-5 to shut down the pass. And though your front isn't as weak as Houston's, we're a lot stronger than UNLV."
Before you rag on Unlv you do know that they went to a bowl game LY right? They also play in what I would consider a better conference as well. They also returned 7 starters on O and 6 on D so pump the brakes on "we're a lot stronger than Unlv." You guys went 7-5 LY right or did I miss something? Unlv went 7-6. Better? Probably. A lot better? I don't know about that - we will see on Saturday.
First off our passing game sets up the run game. We make you cover the entire field as our WR's will line up from one sideline to the next which creates a lot of room for our slot guys and also leaves the middle of the field wide open. 8 guys caught passes for Houston which spells big time trouble for UTSA as far as I'm concerned. If you can't stop the pass then it will be difficult to stop the run.
I think you guys are underestimating how cool a customer Anu is, not to mention that the guy trusts his OL and is as he has been described repeatedly "slippery". Look forward to Thursday night.
In regards to Carter, yes, he's a big question mark for us. However, it was his first start, and we played a defense that's successful against the pass. And even though his completion percentage was less than desirable, I'm happy with him not commiting any turnovers, especially against a team that last year averaged 2 interceptions a game.
I am aware of UNLV playing in a bowl and who they share a conference with. However, in last year's Heart of Dallas Bowl, UNLV lost to North Texas (a C-USA team) 36-14. We beat North Texas 21-13 last year in Denton. We went 7-5 last year, even after losing all our out of conference games except New Mexico, lost only to Marshall and Rice in conference, and finished second in our division, behind Rice. In fact, had Rice lost to Tulane at the end of the season, we would have played Marshall for the C-USA Championship (neither here nor there). Had we not been in FBS probationary status because of being in our third year of football and because we were still in the reclassification from FCS to FBS, we would have gone to a bowl. We're expected to play Marshall this year for the C-USA championship, if all goes well in conference play (because anything can happen). Also, we return 21 starters and 34 seniors. So, this is why I feel justified to say we're stronger than UNLV.
All in all, many questions will be answered Tomorrow. Just don't write us off. We're better than a lot of people give us credit for, and that's mainly how young our program is.
OUT: Derrick Turituri (concussion)
QUESTIONABLE: Terris Jones-Grigsby (ankle), Jacob Alsadek (ankle)
PROBABLE: Reggie Gilbert (foot)
Surprised to not see DaVonte' Neal on the injury report. He suffered his own ankle injury during the game, and was taken off punt return because of it. Neal was wearing a green "limited contact" jersey at practice on Monday.
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The gradient numbers on white are allowed under NCCA rule based on the gradient colors not being the same as the jersey. As long as the colors on the number arent the same as the color of the jersey they are allowed, unfortunately.Merkin wrote:TheBlackLodge wrote:
Those are the old gradient numbers which are no longer allowed.
Awful, but thanks for the clarification of the rule.BMalo wrote: The gradient numbers on white are allowed under NCCA rule based on the gradient colors not being the same as the jersey. As long as the colors on the number arent the same as the color of the jersey they are allowed, unfortunately.