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Posted: **Mon Mar 31, 2025 5:28 pm**

Winger wrote: Mon Mar 31, 2025 5:18 pm

Guess we succeeded in hiding him from the NBA but not college ball.

Seems like the golf cart accident hid him from the NBA more than CTL.

Posted: **Mon Mar 31, 2025 5:41 pm**

UAEebs86 wrote: Mon Mar 31, 2025 5:28 pm
Winger wrote: Mon Mar 31, 2025 5:18 pm

Guess we succeeded in hiding him from the NBA but not college ball.

Seems like the golf cart accident hid him from the NBA more than CTL.

For sure.

Fwiw I believe the Veesaar hype is a bit overblown.

He definitely showed flashes here and there. But, there were game in which he almost couldn't be played. He made a lot of poor decisions with the ball in his hands. He remains positionally limited by lack of weight and strength. He has difficulty defending without fouling. He isn't a very good 3FG shooter at all. To my eye he currently lack a bunch of things you need to be a "stretch 4" in the NBA.

Accordingly the thought that he is some guaranteed lotto guy next season seems off.

Fwiw Lloyd thought Krivas was the superior player at least pre-injury.

Posted: **Mon Mar 31, 2025 5:43 pm**

84Cat wrote: Mon Mar 31, 2025 4:07 pm
azcat49 wrote: Mon Mar 31, 2025 4:03 pm We need a new name for college athletics that fits the time and this era. The professional league of university sports? Does that work.

Whatever it is, it sucks hairy Bigfoot balls
Over 1000 kids were in the portal on day 2 of it opening. We need a salary cap for starters. No one should be getting $3 mil to play college ball

I would love to hear Ed O'bannon's thoughts on what he wrought.

Posted: **Mon Mar 31, 2025 5:49 pm**

Scheer makes a good point. NIL is bad, but agents just turn it even more into a circus.

Posted: **Mon Mar 31, 2025 5:56 pm**

I'm ready for the SEC, B 10 and FESPN to split and the rest of the schools go back to being an amateur setting.

And, I really don't get why some boosters are willing to throw so much money at college players for a season.

If you quit doing everything online, then most of these guys would flunk spring semester and be in bad standing to transfer.

Posted: **Mon Mar 31, 2025 6:06 pm**

Buckle up

Posted: **Mon Mar 31, 2025 6:13 pm**

Don't have twitter- what does that mean?

Posted: **Mon Mar 31, 2025 6:16 pm**

Alieberman wrote: Mon Mar 31, 2025 6:13 pm Don't have twitter- what does that mean?

We're going to have more transfers. The link is an ad for his website

Posted: **Mon Mar 31, 2025 6:17 pm**

I'm guessing we are about to get Robert Morrised.

Posted: **Mon Mar 31, 2025 6:29 pm**

84Cat wrote: Mon Mar 31, 2025 6:16 pm
Alieberman wrote: Mon Mar 31, 2025 6:13 pm Don't have twitter- what does that mean?
We're going to have more transfers. The link is an ad for his website

Damn... I was hoping to read that as "Someone who said they are transferring is maybe not"

Posted: **Mon Mar 31, 2025 7:21 pm**

Posted: **Mon Mar 31, 2025 7:41 pm**

84Cat wrote: Mon Mar 31, 2025 6:16 pm
Alieberman wrote: Mon Mar 31, 2025 6:13 pm Don't have twitter- what does that mean?
We're going to have more transfers. The link is an ad for his website

Lots of rumors about Bradley. Hope it’s not so. That would be a huge loss

Posted: **Mon Mar 31, 2025 8:18 pm**

What a circus this has become since my days of real student athletes in the late 80’s (or maybe there was shady stuff back then too?) but D.A.M.N. what a major bummer to those of us who get emotionally invested in these guys development and success…….

Seems like it truly is all about the money now and almost 100% Professional Basketball

Posted: **Mon Mar 31, 2025 8:43 pm**

Djcat wrote: Mon Mar 31, 2025 7:41 pm
84Cat wrote: Mon Mar 31, 2025 6:16 pm
Alieberman wrote: Mon Mar 31, 2025 6:13 pm Don't have twitter- what does that mean?
We're going to have more transfers. The link is an ad for his website
Lots of rumors about Bradley. Hope it’s not so. That would be a huge loss

He’s our most important returning player, imo. If he leaves, hopes for a B12 title leave with him.

Posted: **Mon Mar 31, 2025 8:49 pm**

It would be helpful to know if these "student" athletes have a 1 or 2 year "contract" with their "employer" as based on their "third party funding" "underwriter" so I could calibrate my give-a-shit. Now that everybody is a one-and-done until proven otherwise, I would appreciate a little more disclosure thank you very much.

Posted: **Mon Mar 31, 2025 11:37 pm**

AZCatGirl wrote: Mon Mar 31, 2025 5:49 pm Scheer makes a good point. NIL is bad, but agents just turn it even more into a circus.

From my guy, Brian Dutcher, head coach at SDSU on February 20, 2025.

“You have to have NIL talks now,” coach Brian Dutcher told “The Field of 68” podcast last week. “You have to secure your roster now, because if they go portal, it’s unlimited free agency with no salary cap. No pro sport in the world can survive that, yet that’s what college basketball is.

“We’re starting to work our way through the roster right now. You wait till the end and try to get it all done in a week, it’s impossible. … We’re in negotiations. That’s college basketball. And you know what? People (from other programs) are calling on the kids already. They’re trying to get involved with them.”

"It just remains to be seen if the numbers we’ve offered is enough to keep everybody. At the same time, we’re very aware that other schools and other collectives, despite players not being in the portal, are already doing whatever they can to corrupt some of our guys for potential opportunities to go other places. That’s just the reality of it.”

"There are agents out there soliciting offers for players who haven’t even signed with them.” Dutcher said. “That’s how these agents position themselves, where they’re out there marketing a kid. And then all of a sudden, the season ends and they go to the kid: ‘I’ve got five or six offers for you already.’ And they don’t even represent the kid."

Posted: **Tue Apr 01, 2025 1:48 am**

The National Association of Realtors should hunker down with the pandemic spread of NCAA basketball player agents ..... assigned and unassigned ..... to consult on establishing an epidemiological response team that can lobby collegiate bureaucracies, capital collectives, and state agencies to inoculate college sports at herd immunity levels any exposure to the spirit of college basketball of the bygone era.

Until college basketball players can access a multiple listing service for the sale of themselves as assets to any organization there remains the risk that the game itself will foolishly hang onto the cheap sentimentality of the past. Fuck that bullshit. This is moneyball.

Posted: **Tue Apr 01, 2025 7:05 am**

The whole issue with having them sign contracts to be paid players, in the eyes of the NCAA and every conference commissioner, is that it brings collective bargaining along with it. They definitely don't want them to have a players union.

Posted: **Tue Apr 01, 2025 7:07 am**

Fishclamps wrote: Tue Apr 01, 2025 7:05 am The whole issue with having them sign contracts to be paid players, in the eyes of the NCAA and every conference commissioner, is that it brings collective bargaining along with it. They definitely don't want them to have a players union.

Bingo

The NCAA would rather have 50% of the players be traveling mercenaries than have to give benefits to 100% of the players as active employees.

Posted: **Tue Apr 01, 2025 7:19 am**

Is there any chance of bringing back the 1 year of sitting if you transfer rule... or has that ship totally sailed?

To me, that would seem like the way to get a handle on this yearly free-for-all

Posted: **Tue Apr 01, 2025 7:22 am**

Alieberman wrote: Tue Apr 01, 2025 7:19 am Is there any chance of bringing back the 1 year of sitting if you transfer rule... or has that ship totally sailed?

To me, that would seem like the way to get a handle on this yearly free-for-all

There would have to be some kind of demonstrable benefit to the student athlete so that the NCAA wouldn't get trounced (again) in court when someone files suit.

The argument is that if an engineering student can pick up and transfer to another school that has a program better aligned with his or her interests, why shouldn’t an athlete be able to?

Posted: **Tue Apr 01, 2025 7:39 am**

Will the legislation that Ted Cruz is proposing help with this?

Posted: **Tue Apr 01, 2025 7:46 am**

Chicat wrote: Tue Apr 01, 2025 7:22 am
Alieberman wrote: Tue Apr 01, 2025 7:19 am Is there any chance of bringing back the 1 year of sitting if you transfer rule... or has that ship totally sailed?

To me, that would seem like the way to get a handle on this yearly free-for-all
There would have to be some kind of demonstrable benefit to the student athlete so that the NCAA wouldn't get trounced (again) in court when someone files suit.

The argument is that if an engineering student can pick up and transfer to another school that has a program better aligned with his or her interests, why shouldn’t an athlete be able to?

If it's applied to coaches (head and assistants) and AD's, then MAYBE a "fairness" case could be made...

... will never happen.

Posted: **Tue Apr 01, 2025 7:51 am**

84Cat wrote: Tue Apr 01, 2025 7:39 am Will the legislation that Ted Cruz is proposing help with this?

His bill would federalize NIL standards through the NCAA (currently vary by state) - but as far as I can tell, does not stipulate specifics of those standards...

... and we know that He has zero interest in either universities or student-athletes, so....

Posted: **Tue Apr 01, 2025 9:51 am**

dmjcat wrote: Mon Mar 31, 2025 1:45 pm
Winger wrote: Mon Mar 31, 2025 1:01 pm
AZCatGirl wrote: Mon Mar 31, 2025 11:48 am

Legit ?: we lose Bradley would you take Kriisa back?
If he is all we could afford and the best available pg, then Yes.

This is no longer amateur sports, everything is transactional. Feelings don't enter into the equation.

I feel for the transfers - most leaving because current situation hasn't met their needs/expectations. Multiple entries mean both failure and opportunity, but the contingency has to be daunting....

Leave your stepping stones behind, something calls for you
Forget the dead you’ve left, they will not follow you
The vagabond who’s rapping at your door
Is standing in the clothes that you once wore
Strike another match, go start anew
And it’s all over now, Baby Blue

OTOH, maybe Henri and Kerr can become an "Estonian package deal"

Posted: **Tue Apr 01, 2025 11:36 am**

Chicat wrote: Tue Apr 01, 2025 7:07 am
Fishclamps wrote: Tue Apr 01, 2025 7:05 am The whole issue with having them sign contracts to be paid players, in the eyes of the NCAA and every conference commissioner, is that it brings collective bargaining along with it. They definitely don't want them to have a players union.
Bingo

The NCAA would rather have 50% of the players be traveling mercenaries than have to give benefits to 100% of the players as active employees.

would the ncaa be required to provide employment benefits, or the schools? regardless of which party carries the burden, my guess is that they'll finesse T&Cs so that athletes are "independent contractors" or some gig economy-adjacent bs to get around it. but that would obv open up a whole new can of worms, not just legally but with what the "independent" part of the revenue sharing agreement implies. talk about a slippery slope.

Alieberman wrote: Tue Apr 01, 2025 7:19 am Is there any chance of bringing back the 1 year of sitting if you transfer rule... or has that ship totally sailed?

To me, that would seem like the way to get a handle on this yearly free-for-all

i can't see the ncaa attempting to do this. look at how litigation-averse they've become. but...

84Cat wrote: Tue Apr 01, 2025 7:39 am Will the legislation that Ted Cruz is proposing help with this?

... i believe there are active bills in both chambers of congress. the house & senate probably have far more pressing matters to deal with these days, but i imagine that NIL, revenue sharing, and fair play guardrails would likely have broad bipartisan support. but as proposed legislation languishes in committee or whatever, i wonder if college sports will reach a point of no return at some point - programs, conferences, and non-revenue sports decimated; outside actors growing far too powerful; wealth and control consolidated irreversibly between the big 2. maybe not even the big 2, but the "have" programs from the SEC & B1G (and maybe not so much among the current have-not schools like rutgers, nebraska, vandy, etc.)

Posted: **Tue Apr 01, 2025 12:11 pm**

There's no way they'd be able to wriggle their way into hiring them as independent contractors. All you have to do is point to any of the numerous sports leagues around the country that pay their players and notice that they're all allowed to have unions.

Posted: **Tue Apr 01, 2025 12:35 pm**

true, though i was thinking more along the lines of benefits. the independence aspect is also rife with hazards. imagine the uber driver version of ncaa sports - athletes opt-in and practice & compete only when they feel like it; may have to pay for and maintain their own equipment; can bail for another team (contract employer) mid-season. hyperbolic, but i can entertain the possibility of schools actually being like, "hmm, that sounds better than having to pay for benefits" - crazy as it sounds

Posted: **Tue Apr 01, 2025 1:06 pm**

They also have to address foreign students who technically cannot work unless it’s related to their degrees. Also, it’s limited to just a year or two. No way they can make exceptions without affecting immigration laws and that’s very sensitive right now

Posted: **Tue Apr 01, 2025 1:28 pm**

Portal is crazy this year

Posted: **Tue Apr 01, 2025 1:30 pm**

Djcat wrote: Tue Apr 01, 2025 1:06 pm They also have to address foreign students who technically cannot work unless it’s related to their degrees. Also, it’s limited to just a year or two. No way they can make exceptions without affecting immigration laws and that’s very sensitive right now

they're allowed to work on campus, if playing away games as a university employee & student-athlete can be considered on-campus work

Posted: **Tue Apr 01, 2025 1:32 pm**

"Fair Play Guardrails" - anyone care to take a shot at what these would/should include?

The 'fair play" seems to be primarily focused on us poor fans...

... not sure what, exactly, that means for student-athletes in these discussions.

Posted: **Tue Apr 01, 2025 2:26 pm**

pc in NM wrote: Tue Apr 01, 2025 1:32 pm "Fair Play Guardrails" - anyone care to take a shot at what these would/should include?

The 'fair play" seems to be primarily focused on us poor fans...

... not sure what, exactly, that means for student-athletes in these discussions.

i'm sure you can use your imagination and understand that the benefits of uniform NIL & revenue sharing standards over the current patchwork, state-by-state framework aren't just for the benefit of fans and institutions. right now many athletes put themselves at risk by entering NIL agreements that aren't contractually binding. i don't believe there's even a requirement for agreements to be in writing, which is why you have guys like sluka at UNLV not getting paid. my impression is that many schools don't - or maybe can't - offer adequate support to all their athletes because everything is a one-off deal that deserves its own attention.

codifying NIL terms would also keep athletes from being exploited in deals that unknowingly deceive or de-leverage them, like that UF football player who signed an NIL deal in exchange for a commission on his future NFL earnings for 25 years. or deals that persuade an athlete to sign their likeness and IP rights into exclusivity, even after college. or NIL deals disguised as loans or are rife with predatory fee structures.

monitoring, reporting, and compliance around NIL could also provide a degree of transparency to help athletes determine their fair market value when being solicited; and since agents are going to be a thing, it could ensure that outside parties are acting in the best interest of the athlete.

even ideas being spitballed like a transfer development fee would indirectly help spread the wealth with funding for salaries / scholarships, services, and facilities for athletes at the departing institution. also, don't forget that NIL impacts high school talent too, and the exploitation can flow upstream as well. the current laissez-faire system isn't working.

Posted: **Tue Apr 01, 2025 3:49 pm**

We can't even keep our walk-ons

Posted: **Tue Apr 01, 2025 4:07 pm**

dirtbags wrote: Tue Apr 01, 2025 2:26 pm
pc in NM wrote: Tue Apr 01, 2025 1:32 pm "Fair Play Guardrails" - anyone care to take a shot at what these would/should include?

The 'fair play" seems to be primarily focused on us poor fans...

... not sure what, exactly, that means for student-athletes in these discussions.
i'm sure you can use your imagination and understand that the benefits of uniform NIL & revenue sharing standards over the current patchwork, state-by-state framework aren't just for the benefit of fans and institutions. right now many athletes put themselves at risk by entering NIL agreements that aren't contractually binding. i don't believe there's even a requirement for agreements to be in writing, which is why you have guys like sluka at UNLV not getting paid. my impression is that many schools don't - or maybe can't - offer adequate support to all their athletes because everything is a one-off deal that deserves its own attention.

codifying NIL terms would also keep athletes from being exploited in deals that unknowingly deceive or de-leverage them, like that UF football player who signed an NIL deal in exchange for a commission on his future NFL earnings for 25 years. or deals that persuade an athlete to sign their likeness and IP rights into exclusivity, even after college. or NIL deals disguised as loans or are rife with predatory fee structures.

monitoring, reporting, and compliance around NIL could also provide a degree of transparency to help athletes determine their fair market value when being solicited; and since agents are going to be a thing, it could ensure that outside parties are acting in the best interest of the athlete.

even ideas being spitballed like a transfer development fee would indirectly help spread the wealth with funding for salaries / scholarships, services, and facilities for athletes at the departing institution. also, don't forget that NIL impacts high school talent too, and the exploitation can flow upstream as well. the current laissez-faire system isn't working.

Good points all, and I'd support unification of standards (and an oversight/enforcement function, too).

But, even with all of this, I see nothing that would change the wholesale transfer situation, which seems to be the reason we're all focused on this...

Posted: **Tue Apr 01, 2025 4:33 pm**

84Cat wrote: Tue Apr 01, 2025 3:49 pm We can't even keep our walk-ons

Glad I buckled up!

Posted: **Tue Apr 01, 2025 6:35 pm**

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84Cat wrote: Tue Apr 01, 2025 6:35 pm

Big man?

Posted: **Tue Apr 01, 2025 8:48 pm**

pc in NM wrote: Tue Apr 01, 2025 7:46 am
Chicat wrote: Tue Apr 01, 2025 7:22 am
Alieberman wrote: Tue Apr 01, 2025 7:19 am Is there any chance of bringing back the 1 year of sitting if you transfer rule... or has that ship totally sailed?

To me, that would seem like the way to get a handle on this yearly free-for-all
There would have to be some kind of demonstrable benefit to the student athlete so that the NCAA wouldn't get trounced (again) in court when someone files suit.

The argument is that if an engineering student can pick up and transfer to another school that has a program better aligned with his or her interests, why shouldn’t an athlete be able to?
If it's applied to coaches (head and assistants) and AD's, then MAYBE a "fairness" case could be made...

... will never happen.

How about buyouts?

Posted: **Tue Apr 01, 2025 9:00 pm**

84Cat wrote: Tue Apr 01, 2025 3:49 pm We can't even keep our walk-ons

Who?

Does this mean anyone can enter the portal? At least anyone enrolled in college?

Posted: **Tue Apr 01, 2025 9:08 pm**

Next year there might not be walk-ons due to revenue sharing so guys like this might as well try to find a scholarship somewhere if they’re not going to get one at their current school.

Posted: **Tue Apr 01, 2025 9:15 pm**

Postmaster wrote: Tue Apr 01, 2025 8:48 pm
pc in NM wrote: Tue Apr 01, 2025 7:46 am
Chicat wrote: Tue Apr 01, 2025 7:22 am
Alieberman wrote: Tue Apr 01, 2025 7:19 am Is there any chance of bringing back the 1 year of sitting if you transfer rule... or has that ship totally sailed?

To me, that would seem like the way to get a handle on this yearly free-for-all
There would have to be some kind of demonstrable benefit to the student athlete so that the NCAA wouldn't get trounced (again) in court when someone files suit.

The argument is that if an engineering student can pick up and transfer to another school that has a program better aligned with his or her interests, why shouldn’t an athlete be able to?
If it's applied to coaches (head and assistants) and AD's, then MAYBE a "fairness" case could be made...

... will never happen.
How about buyouts?

Yet again, that requires an employment contract binding the player to a specific school, which will never happen because it opens the door to a players union.

Posted: **Tue Apr 01, 2025 9:41 pm**

There's a new dating app making all the kids crazy. It's called Transfer Portal.

Posted: **Wed Apr 02, 2025 8:13 am**

The Dark Money Behind Duke Basketball

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/ ... 45f9&ei=34

The Oligarch Conference

Posted: **Wed Apr 02, 2025 8:20 am**

dovecanyoncat wrote: Wed Apr 02, 2025 8:13 am The Dark Money Behind Duke Basketball

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/ ... 45f9&ei=34

The Oligarch Conference

Thanks for posting this........its a good read.

It only re-emphasizes that we need Congressional action to put guardrails on this out-of-control mess called NIL. Specifically, I believe that reasonable salary caps (low enough that MWC teams can compete on an even keel with the Dukes of the world) need to be put in place. If this doesn't eventually happen then college football/basketball is truly dead, with the rich getting richer and most of the schools below the top 45-50 eventually being forced to shut down their football/basketball programs or even close their athletic departments completely.

Posted: **Wed Apr 02, 2025 10:02 am**

Postmaster wrote: Tue Apr 01, 2025 9:00 pm
84Cat wrote: Tue Apr 01, 2025 3:49 pm We can't even keep our walk-ons

Who?

Does this mean anyone can enter the portal? At least anyone enrolled in college?

Taking a risk here but when I was texted this my first response was “forgot all about him”; and the second was “how many black guys named Sven world-wide?”

Posted: **Wed Apr 02, 2025 10:08 am**

Postmaster wrote: Tue Apr 01, 2025 8:48 pm
pc in NM wrote: Tue Apr 01, 2025 7:46 am
Chicat wrote: Tue Apr 01, 2025 7:22 am
Alieberman wrote: Tue Apr 01, 2025 7:19 am Is there any chance of bringing back the 1 year of sitting if you transfer rule... or has that ship totally sailed?

To me, that would seem like the way to get a handle on this yearly free-for-all
There would have to be some kind of demonstrable benefit to the student athlete so that the NCAA wouldn't get trounced (again) in court when someone files suit.

The argument is that if an engineering student can pick up and transfer to another school that has a program better aligned with his or her interests, why shouldn’t an athlete be able to?
If it's applied to coaches (head and assistants) and AD's, then MAYBE a "fairness" case could be made...

... will never happen.
How about buyouts?

"Buyouts" of what?

Posted: **Wed Apr 02, 2025 10:38 am**

Posted: **Wed Apr 02, 2025 11:59 am**

Posted: **Wed Apr 02, 2025 12:43 pm**

Not a huge shock. Can't blame him for wanting more playing time.

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