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We'll get hit, but there's actual evidence of KU's head coach asking these Adidas guys for help and basically having knowledge of the shenanigans. None of that exists in regards to Sean Miller. KU was an easy choice to get slammed hard regardless of the media's lack of spotlight on them.A1RZONA wrote:choo, any info on us?
appreciate the insight. figured we'd get something too. the coverage of all of this will be fun to watch. Kansas gets NOA, mainstream crickets. Arizona gets NOA, mainstream goes balistic lolChooChooCat wrote:We'll get hit, but there's actual evidence of KU's head coach asking these Adidas guys for help and basically having knowledge of the shenanigans. None of that exists in regards to Sean Miller. KU was an easy choice to get slammed hard regardless of the media's lack of spotlight on them.A1RZONA wrote:choo, any info on us?
I'm relatively new to the forum and his presence here has been the oddest thing for me to understand.Chicat wrote:Much like after KU loses to Iowa State, expect enfuego to slink back over here five days from now acting like nothing happened.UAEebs86 wrote:He's busy practicing his mental gymnastics.
There should be outrage. There will be no outrage.A1RZONA wrote:ChooChooCat wrote:Kansas gets NOA, mainstream crickets.A1RZONA wrote:choo, any info on us?
The outrage will be that it's not Arizona getting knifed, since we're all anyone has heard about.Longhorned wrote:There should be outrage. There will be no outrage.A1RZONA wrote:ChooChooCat wrote:Kansas gets NOA, mainstream crickets.A1RZONA wrote:choo, any info on us?
Yeah our hit will fall under ethics, no question. How much of a penalty that will amount to is truly the question.A1RZONA wrote:appreciate the insight. figured we'd get something too. the coverage of all of this will be fun to watch. Kansas gets NOA, mainstream crickets. Arizona gets NOA, mainstream goes balistic lolChooChooCat wrote:We'll get hit, but there's actual evidence of KU's head coach asking these Adidas guys for help and basically having knowledge of the shenanigans. None of that exists in regards to Sean Miller. KU was an easy choice to get slammed hard regardless of the media's lack of spotlight on them.A1RZONA wrote:choo, any info on us?
I am beginning to think Vitale got tipped to the KU accusation and that’s why he suddenly took the stance of no more comments until after the NCAA weighs in.azcat49 wrote:Kansas City Star probably gave Vitale a heads up the article was coming out and asked him for a comment on AZ
Please no post-season ban...I think this has been brought up before, but is there an element of "time served" that we can argue with the NCAA? Considering how our entire 2018 class was blown up, team struggled as a result of the distraction in 2018, team sucked in 2019 largely as a result, etc. I think we have a compelling case in that regard, certainly moreso than any other program.ChooChooCat wrote:Yeah our hit will fall under ethics, no question. How much of a penalty that will amount to is truly the question.A1RZONA wrote:appreciate the insight. figured we'd get something too. the coverage of all of this will be fun to watch. Kansas gets NOA, mainstream crickets. Arizona gets NOA, mainstream goes balistic lolChooChooCat wrote:We'll get hit, but there's actual evidence of KU's head coach asking these Adidas guys for help and basically having knowledge of the shenanigans. None of that exists in regards to Sean Miller. KU was an easy choice to get slammed hard regardless of the media's lack of spotlight on them.A1RZONA wrote:choo, any info on us?
I'm not sure what the grading curve is for "ethics" in the NCAA rulebook but the fact that Book was terminated post haste and UA has been fully cooperating, Miller has strong records of compliance and our own investigation, the FBI AND the NCAA came up with no institutional wrongdoing makes me wonder at the level of outrage that we will see from the pundits and EatShitPN's spin machine...ChooChooCat wrote:Yeah our hit will fall under ethics, no question. How much of a penalty that will amount to is truly the question.A1RZONA wrote:appreciate the insight. figured we'd get something too. the coverage of all of this will be fun to watch. Kansas gets NOA, mainstream crickets. Arizona gets NOA, mainstream goes balistic lolChooChooCat wrote:We'll get hit, but there's actual evidence of KU's head coach asking these Adidas guys for help and basically having knowledge of the shenanigans. None of that exists in regards to Sean Miller. KU was an easy choice to get slammed hard regardless of the media's lack of spotlight on them.A1RZONA wrote:choo, any info on us?
Yup. Arizona is the media face, but KU was the focus of that first trial. The actual evidence with them dwarfs us.ChooChooCat wrote:We'll get hit, but there's actual evidence of KU's head coach asking these Adidas guys for help and basically having knowledge of the shenanigans. None of that exists in regards to Sean Miller. KU was an easy choice to get slammed hard regardless of the media's lack of spotlight on them.A1RZONA wrote:choo, any info on us?
Pretty amazing since this is essentially an Adidas scandal.Spaceman Spiff wrote:Arizona is the media face
No more comments lasted a dayChicat wrote:I am beginning to think Vitale got tipped to the KU accusation and that’s why he suddenly took the stance of no more comments until after the NCAA weighs in.azcat49 wrote:Kansas City Star probably gave Vitale a heads up the article was coming out and asked him for a comment on AZ
I'm honestly not sure that people are aware of the evidence here.Spaceman Spiff wrote:Yup. Arizona is the media face, but KU was the focus of that first trial. The actual evidence with them dwarfs us.ChooChooCat wrote:We'll get hit, but there's actual evidence of KU's head coach asking these Adidas guys for help and basically having knowledge of the shenanigans. None of that exists in regards to Sean Miller. KU was an easy choice to get slammed hard regardless of the media's lack of spotlight on them.A1RZONA wrote:choo, any info on us?
. They put Adidas into contact with the guardian of Silvio De Sousa and signed an extension with Adidas once they received De Sousa's commitment. KU found wire transfer payments between Gassnola and recruit Billy Preston's mom in Oct '18 and the FBI found texts where Gassnola and the Preston family coordinated testimony to lie to investigators.Yes. There's a disconnect between people who followed the trials and people who receive their info from the news and don't look further.YoDeFoe wrote:I'm honestly not sure that people are aware of the evidence here.Spaceman Spiff wrote:Yup. Arizona is the media face, but KU was the focus of that first trial. The actual evidence with them dwarfs us.ChooChooCat wrote:We'll get hit, but there's actual evidence of KU's head coach asking these Adidas guys for help and basically having knowledge of the shenanigans. None of that exists in regards to Sean Miller. KU was an easy choice to get slammed hard regardless of the media's lack of spotlight on them.A1RZONA wrote:choo, any info on us?
NC State has text messages showing their coach and assistant coaches directing payments and benefits to recruit Dennis Smith Jr.
Kansas has Bill Self and his assistant Kurtis Townsend coordinating recruiting with Adidas consultant T.J. Gassnola, and connecting Gassnola's ability to deliver recruits with Kansas's contract with Adidas
Bill Self is still the coach at Kansas and Kurtis Townsend is still his assistant.
Shows how incredibly reckless and stupid Book was.Chicat wrote:Pretty amazing since this is essentially an Adidas scandal.Spaceman Spiff wrote:Arizona is the media face
No there's not. But you have an Arizona coach who would have direct knowledge accuse Miller of paying recruits.ChooChooCat wrote:We'll get hit, but there's actual evidence of KU's head coach asking these Adidas guys for help and basically having knowledge of the shenanigans. None of that exists in regards to Sean Miller. KU was an easy choice to get slammed hard regardless of the media's lack of spotlight on them.A1RZONA wrote:choo, any info on us?
WHICH the FBI deemed NOT CREDIBLE...what part of that are you failing to comprehend????enfuego wrote:No there's not. But you have an Arizona coach who would have direct knowledge accuse Miller of paying recruits.ChooChooCat wrote:We'll get hit, but there's actual evidence of KU's head coach asking these Adidas guys for help and basically having knowledge of the shenanigans. None of that exists in regards to Sean Miller. KU was an easy choice to get slammed hard regardless of the media's lack of spotlight on them.A1RZONA wrote:choo, any info on us?
Almost . . . mentally gymnastic?azcat49 wrote:Book said it so it must be true. Self said it in a text transcript but it’s false? Wow that is some major rationalization and self deception
What a joke. Like you.enfuego wrote:No there's not. But you have an Arizona coach who would have direct knowledge accuse Miller of paying recruits.ChooChooCat wrote:We'll get hit, but there's actual evidence of KU's head coach asking these Adidas guys for help and basically having knowledge of the shenanigans. None of that exists in regards to Sean Miller. KU was an easy choice to get slammed hard regardless of the media's lack of spotlight on them.A1RZONA wrote:choo, any info on us?
Existing only to be Bill Self's dildo has to be a horrible life, enfuego.enfuego wrote:No there's not. But you have an Arizona coach who would have direct knowledge accuse Miller of paying recruits.ChooChooCat wrote:We'll get hit, but there's actual evidence of KU's head coach asking these Adidas guys for help and basically having knowledge of the shenanigans. None of that exists in regards to Sean Miller. KU was an easy choice to get slammed hard regardless of the media's lack of spotlight on them.A1RZONA wrote:choo, any info on us?
All of this. Also, while it pains me to say it, KU is a higher profile program than AZ at the moment (more recent FF and NC); too many league titles to count. After Duke, UNC, and UK, there is arguably no bigger college hoops program than KU, so not seeing this covered as a major story is some crazy shit.Longhorned wrote:Why hasn't ESPN plastered its website with giant photos of Bill Self and damning headlines? You have to click on a little link with a benign-sounding title on the right side of the NCAAM page, and then read through all the damning details presented with the light tone of an article about how rabbits make a fine pet for a little boy.
It's a different flavor from the substance-free articles about Sean Miller, heralded with condemning headlines and big photos of Miller carefully selected to make him look like a cold-hearted crook.
ESPN is not in the journalism business.Beachcat97 wrote:All of this. Also, while it pains me to say it, KU is a higher profile program than AZ at the moment (more recent FF and NC); too many league titles to count. After Duke, UNC, and UK, there is arguably no bigger college hoops program than KU, so not seeing this covered as a major story is some crazy shit.Longhorned wrote:Why hasn't ESPN plastered its website with giant photos of Bill Self and damning headlines? You have to click on a little link with a benign-sounding title on the right side of the NCAAM page, and then read through all the damning details presented with the light tone of an article about how rabbits make a fine pet for a little boy.
It's a different flavor from the substance-free articles about Sean Miller, heralded with condemning headlines and big photos of Miller carefully selected to make him look like a cold-hearted crook.
I get that, Chi. I'm gonna be paying more attention to how actual journalists cover KU's fall from grace.Chicat wrote:ESPN is not in the journalism business.
They are in the advertising revenue sports entertainment business.
Kind of hard to say “watch this bunch of cheaters on the ESPN family of networks 30+ times this year”.
UofA is sitting on a ticking time bomb. KU is sitting on a wet firecracker.UAdevil wrote:Technical win for KU... somehow.
Is this the Strange Things People Put in their Rectum thread? Easier ways to have a good time, I’d imagine.enfuego wrote:UofA is sitting on a ticking time bomb. KU is sitting on a wet firecracker.UAdevil wrote:Technical win for KU... somehow.
enfuego wrote:UofA is sitting on a ticking time bomb. KU is sitting on a wet firecracker.UAdevil wrote:Technical win for KU... somehow.
Yeah, I'd like a wet firecracker, a lawn chair, a douche, and a can of whipped cream. Yes, the large one. Thank you.ByJoveByJingle wrote:Is this the Strange Things People Put in their Rectum thread? Easier ways to have a good time, I’d imagine.enfuego wrote:UofA is sitting on a ticking time bomb. KU is sitting on a wet firecracker.UAdevil wrote:Technical win for KU... somehow.
In Scottsdale we call that the Longhorned.Longhorned wrote:Yeah, I'd like a wet firecracker, a lawn chair, a douche, and a can of whipped cream. Yes, the large one. Thank you.ByJoveByJingle wrote:Is this the Strange Things People Put in their Rectum thread? Easier ways to have a good time, I’d imagine.enfuego wrote:UofA is sitting on a ticking time bomb. KU is sitting on a wet firecracker.UAdevil wrote:Technical win for KU... somehow.
You don't need to tell us, we already know.enfuego wrote:
Of course the football allegations are Level 2. That program doesn’t try hard at anything. But kudos to Bill Self for going for the gold...The University of Kansas has received its notice of allegations from the NCAA today, which includes potentially devastating allegations toward the men’s basketball program, according to multiple sources.
Kansas has been charged with lack of institutional control, three Level I violations in men’s basketball and there is a head coach responsibility charge against coach Bill Self, according to multiple sources. There also are allegations against football, sources added, although those are Level II violations. The football allegations include charges of allowing an extra coach to work during practice under former head coach David Beaty.
The Level I violations are tied, in part, to the recruitments of Billy Preston and Silvio De Sousa. Court testimony and documents tied to the federal basketball corruption cases over the past two years included details of veteran adidas consultant T.J. Gassnola having “conspired to illicitly funnel approximately at least $90,000” to the mother of Preston. Gassnola also testified in court that he paid De Sousa’s guardian $2,500, although he denied arranging a $20,000 payment that had been discussed on wiretaps.
The charge against Self will potentially prove a compelling and high-profile application of the NCAA’s head coach responsibility bylaws. Evidence tied to the case included Gassnola and Self talking openly in text messages about adidas helping Kansas recruit players. “I’m happy with adidas,” Self wrote Gassnola. “Just got to get a couple real guys.”
Later, Gassnola texted about keeping Self and Kansas happy with lottery picks. Self responded: “That’s how (it) works. At UNC and Duke.”
Well, you can't charge a Level 1 violation when your football team belongs in Division 2.Chicat wrote:Of course the football allegations are Level 2. That program doesn’t try hard at anything. But kudos to Bill Self for going for the gold...The University of Kansas has received its notice of allegations from the NCAA today, which includes potentially devastating allegations toward the men’s basketball program, according to multiple sources.
Kansas has been charged with lack of institutional control, three Level I violations in men’s basketball and there is a head coach responsibility charge against coach Bill Self, according to multiple sources. There also are allegations against football, sources added, although those are Level II violations. The football allegations include charges of allowing an extra coach to work during practice under former head coach David Beaty.
The Level I violations are tied, in part, to the recruitments of Billy Preston and Silvio De Sousa. Court testimony and documents tied to the federal basketball corruption cases over the past two years included details of veteran adidas consultant T.J. Gassnola having “conspired to illicitly funnel approximately at least $90,000” to the mother of Preston. Gassnola also testified in court that he paid De Sousa’s guardian $2,500, although he denied arranging a $20,000 payment that had been discussed on wiretaps.
The charge against Self will potentially prove a compelling and high-profile application of the NCAA’s head coach responsibility bylaws. Evidence tied to the case included Gassnola and Self talking openly in text messages about adidas helping Kansas recruit players. “I’m happy with adidas,” Self wrote Gassnola. “Just got to get a couple real guys.”
Later, Gassnola texted about keeping Self and Kansas happy with lottery picks. Self responded: “That’s how (it) works. At UNC and Duke.”
They ought to be super fucked. Lack of institutional control... Self personally directed an Adidas fixer to bring him more basketball recruits and he tied Adidas bringing him recruits to the contract between Kansas and Adidas. Self didn't lack control, he put the violations in motion.Spaceman Spiff wrote:This KU basketball thing...it's what people following the trial would expect. The texts from Self to Gassnola were pretty blatant.
The texts from Self to Adidas are a level we lack in our case. Book said a lot of stuff, but Self straight out encouraged Adidas and Gassnola to help him.YoDeFoe wrote:They ought to be super fucked. Lack of institutional control... Self personally directed an Adidas fixer to bring him more basketball recruits and he tied Adidas bringing him recruits to the contract between Kansas and Adidas. Self didn't lack control, he put the violations in motion.Spaceman Spiff wrote:This KU basketball thing...it's what people following the trial would expect. The texts from Self to Gassnola were pretty blatant.
"We outsourced our recruiting to Adidas and it's not our fault that they broke the rules (and law) to get the job done" ...should be a really top shelf defense.Spaceman Spiff wrote:The texts from Self to Adidas are a level we lack in our case. Book said a lot of stuff, but Self straight out encouraged Adidas and Gassnola to help him.YoDeFoe wrote:They ought to be super fucked. Lack of institutional control... Self personally directed an Adidas fixer to bring him more basketball recruits and he tied Adidas bringing him recruits to the contract between Kansas and Adidas. Self didn't lack control, he put the violations in motion.Spaceman Spiff wrote:This KU basketball thing...it's what people following the trial would expect. The texts from Self to Gassnola were pretty blatant.
If Self wants to claim the "help" was something else, well, it seems like deliberate ignorance.
Maybe he meant help ensuring their sneakers had ample support so they wouldn’t have ankle issues prior to them choosing Kansas over other programs because of the culture, diversity, and academic prowess of the Harvard of the Central Plains?Spaceman Spiff wrote:The texts from Self to Adidas are a level we lack in our case. Book said a lot of stuff, but Self straight out encouraged Adidas and Gassnola to help him.YoDeFoe wrote:They ought to be super fucked. Lack of institutional control... Self personally directed an Adidas fixer to bring him more basketball recruits and he tied Adidas bringing him recruits to the contract between Kansas and Adidas. Self didn't lack control, he put the violations in motion.Spaceman Spiff wrote:This KU basketball thing...it's what people following the trial would expect. The texts from Self to Gassnola were pretty blatant.
If Self wants to claim the "help" was something else, well, it seems like deliberate ignorance.