Allonzo Trier

Jefe · Post by **Jefe** » Wed Oct 12, 2016 11:28 am

97cats wrote:my fingers are crossed, are yours?

Your avatar isnt working anymore. Gave up on beisbol?

Jefe · Post by **Jefe** » Wed Oct 12, 2016 11:37 am

Whatever it is, I cant imagine the staff knowingly let him do it. He has too much to lose

Olsondogg · Post by **Olsondogg** » Wed Oct 12, 2016 11:51 am

That site that everyone hates is quickly posting rumors and deleting them as fast as they post them...and it's coming from the owner of the site...

Azgirl · Post by **Azgirl** » Wed Oct 12, 2016 11:54 am

I, for one, am grateful that the Allonzo Trier situation was brought to light. That is what I always felt a board was for, to inform its members. Thanks.

Jefe · Post by **Jefe** » Wed Oct 12, 2016 11:59 am

Azgirl wrote:I, for one, am grateful that the Allonzo Trier situation was brought to light. That is what I always felt a board was for, to inform its members. Thanks.

Welcome to the Madness!

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Wed Oct 12, 2016 12:03 pm

Olsondogg wrote:That site that everyone hates is quickly posting rumors and deleting them as fast as they post them...and it's coming from the owner of the site...

Here's the latest rumor I've heard:

Trier may not be suspended, but there's a possibility he may be suspended for some or all of the coming year. Rumors are that NCAA rules permit only one L in the name Alonzo, so I feel some mourning is in order.

Longhorned · Post by **Longhorned** » Wed Oct 12, 2016 12:08 pm

Olsondogg wrote:
I'd rather focus on finding out who made the decision to ruin the basketball program's uniforms. That is insider info I'd appreciate.

http://about.nike.com/pages/executives" target="_blank

Olsondogg · Post by **Olsondogg** » Wed Oct 12, 2016 12:10 pm

Eff Slusher

Longhorned · Post by **Longhorned** » Wed Oct 12, 2016 12:11 pm

Olsondogg wrote:Eff Slusher

Eff him or his daddy?

Olsondogg · Post by **Olsondogg** » Wed Oct 12, 2016 12:13 pm

Eff his 4 year old son, cause he clearly made the design decisions...cause they fit along with what mine sees as "really cool, daddy".

Longhorned · Post by **Longhorned** » Wed Oct 12, 2016 12:14 pm

As always, thank you for the detailed run-down, 97cats!

UofAlum05 · Post by **UofAlum05** » Wed Oct 12, 2016 12:43 pm

I feel like we lucked out with the Rawle situation and the NCAA clearing him. Is lucking out with Trier asking for too much this time?

UofAlum05 · Post by **UofAlum05** » Wed Oct 12, 2016 12:53 pm

Is it something like this?

http://www.espn.com/college-football/st ... ded-season" target="_blank

CatFan1399 · Post by **CatFan1399** » Wed Oct 12, 2016 1:01 pm

If I'm reading the clues correctly, I'm guessing PEDs hence the reason 97Cats elected to list specific illegal substances versus just saying that it wasn't drug related. NCAA policy stars that a player that tests positive for PEDs is banned from play for 365 days from the date of the test. Appeals by the athletic institution could result in reducing the suspension, reversing the suspension, or upholding the suspension.

Am I on the right track in my logic? The wait/uncertainty has to do with the university's appeal. Perhaps the player took the banned substance unknowingly?

Thanks as always to 97Cats and all for sharing their insight.

UofAlum05 · Post by **UofAlum05** » Wed Oct 12, 2016 1:06 pm

CatFan1399 wrote:If I'm reading the clues correctly, I'm guessing PEDs hence the reason 97Cats elected to list specific illegal substances versus just saying that it wasn't drug related. NCAA policy stars that a player that tests positive for PEDs is banned from play for 365 days from the date of the test. Appeals by the athletic institution could result in reducing the suspension, reversing the suspension, or upholding the suspension.

Am I on the right track in my logic? The wait/uncertainty has to do with the university's appeal. Perhaps the player took the banned substance unknowingly?

Thanks as always to 97Cats and all for sharing their insight.

That is what I'm thinking as well. They had no hesitancy in ruining Will Grier's career/life over something he bought legally over-the-counter.

Azgirl · Post by **Azgirl** » Wed Oct 12, 2016 1:07 pm

Are there any cases known which the sentence was reduced for PED?

Olsondogg · Post by **Olsondogg** » Wed Oct 12, 2016 1:10 pm

Since you guys are going there, in reference to some of what's been posted above:

While the NCAA tests athletes randomly throughout the year, athletes are also subject to testing from their schools. But the thing is, those school testing programs can be designed however the schools want. Some schools will ban players for a few games on the first offense, while others just let them off with a warning. In 2012, the Associated Press reported that players at Notre Dame and Alabama didn't automatically miss games for testing positive for steroids: football coaches themselves had "wide discretion" to tailor punishments at Alabama, while Notre Dame's student-athlete handbook said that a player who failed a test could return to the field once the steroids in question were out of his system. Had Florida administered Grier's test, he likely would have just been suspended for one game.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Wed Oct 12, 2016 1:13 pm

CatFan1399 wrote:If I'm reading the clues correctly, I'm guessing PEDs hence the reason 97Cats elected to list specific illegal substances versus just saying that it wasn't drug related. NCAA policy stars that a player that tests positive for PEDs is banned from play for 365 days from the date of the test. Appeals by the athletic institution could result in reducing the suspension, reversing the suspension, or upholding the suspension.

Am I on the right track in my logic? The wait/uncertainty has to do with the university's appeal. Perhaps the player took the banned substance unknowingly?

Thanks as always to 97Cats and all for sharing their insight.

http://www.ncaa.org/health-and-safety/p ... ug-testing" target="_blank

This is the NCAA policy FAQ. I would think if there was a really appealable situation, the missed test would be the major, not the positive test. As 05 said, the accidental ingestion doesn't seem to get athletes anywhere.

UofAlum05 · Post by **UofAlum05** » Wed Oct 12, 2016 1:14 pm

Olsondogg wrote:Since you guys are going there, in reference to some of what's been posted above:

While the NCAA tests athletes randomly throughout the year, athletes are also subject to testing from their schools. But the thing is, those school testing programs can be designed however the schools want. Some schools will ban players for a few games on the first offense, while others just let them off with a warning. In 2012, the Associated Press reported that players at Notre Dame and Alabama didn't automatically miss games for testing positive for steroids: football coaches themselves had "wide discretion" to tailor punishments at Alabama, while Notre Dame's student-athlete handbook said that a player who failed a test could return to the field once the steroids in question were out of his system. Had Florida administered Grier's test, he likely would have just been suspended for one game.

Probably one of the bigger BS rules/way too harsh rules that the NCAA has. If someone can buy this over the counter than how can you kick them out of a sport for a year? I understand they are banned, dangerous, whatever. But suspend the player for a game and then move on. This is zero tolerance policy for something that can be bought over the counter is nuts. They only have 4 years of eligibility. They wouldn't even let Grier have a redshirt season so that he could transfer. Really, really harsh.

Gilbertcat · Post by **Gilbertcat** » Wed Oct 12, 2016 1:15 pm

Ah school test. Gotta pass those, but you can convince people for make up tests.

Olsondogg · Post by **Olsondogg** » Wed Oct 12, 2016 1:19 pm

So IF it is as speculated, the details matter...to put it in basketball terms, involving an "illegal" substance:

Three years ago, Michigan basketball player Mitch McGary was suspended for a year for testing positive for marijuana during the NCAA Tournament. McGary wasn't even playing in the tournament, as he was out with an injury, but he also was unlucky with timing. He would not have missed any games on his first positive test and wouldn't have been suspended for a season until his third positive test. But because he was suspended for a year by the NCAA, he was essentially forced to leave school early. Which means that the NCAA's penalty wasn't just unfairly harsh; it was counterproductive to the association's stated educational mission.

UofAlum05 · Post by **UofAlum05** » Wed Oct 12, 2016 1:22 pm

Olsondogg wrote:So IF it is as speculated, the details matter...to put it in basketball terms, involving an "illegal" substance:

Three years ago, Michigan basketball player Mitch McGary was suspended for a year for testing positive for marijuana during the NCAA Tournament. McGary wasn't even playing in the tournament, as he was out with an injury, but he also was unlucky with timing. He would not have missed any games on his first positive test and wouldn't have been suspended for a season until his third positive test. But because he was suspended for a year by the NCAA, he was essentially forced to leave school early. Which means that the NCAA's penalty wasn't just unfairly harsh; it was counterproductive to the association's stated educational mission.

Right. If this is indeed what is happening. What would Trier's reasons for even going to class be this year?

CatFan1399 · Post by **CatFan1399** » Wed Oct 12, 2016 1:24 pm

Olsondogg wrote:So IF it is as speculated, the details matter...to put it in basketball terms, involving an "illegal" substance:

Three years ago, Michigan basketball player Mitch McGary was suspended for a year for testing positive for marijuana during the NCAA Tournament. McGary wasn't even playing in the tournament, as he was out with an injury, but he also was unlucky with timing. He would not have missed any games on his first positive test and wouldn't have been suspended for a season until his third positive test. But because he was suspended for a year by the NCAA, he was essentially forced to leave school early. Which means that the NCAA's penalty wasn't just unfairly harsh; it was counterproductive to the association's stated educational mission.

The next time that the NCAA makes a wise decision that is in a player's best interest might be the first of its kind. I hope this works out for Trier, but I'm worried.

prh · Post by **prh** » Wed Oct 12, 2016 1:24 pm

UofAlum05 wrote:
Olsondogg wrote:So IF it is as speculated, the details matter...to put it in basketball terms, involving an "illegal" substance:

Three years ago, Michigan basketball player Mitch McGary was suspended for a year for testing positive for marijuana during the NCAA Tournament. McGary wasn't even playing in the tournament, as he was out with an injury, but he also was unlucky with timing. He would not have missed any games on his first positive test and wouldn't have been suspended for a season until his third positive test. But because he was suspended for a year by the NCAA, he was essentially forced to leave school early. Which means that the NCAA's penalty wasn't just unfairly harsh; it was counterproductive to the association's stated educational mission.
Right. If this is indeed what is happening. What would Trier's reasons for even going to class be this year?

He'd just go join Ferguson in Australia

Olsondogg · Post by **Olsondogg** » Wed Oct 12, 2016 1:26 pm

Well again...IF this is the case, it is a school test or NCAA. If it was Arizona dealing with a test, they are probably discussing a penalty (if any). If it is NCAA, is he allowed to play pending appeal? The reasons he has for going to class are simple, the APR being one of them, but I get the point.

If you want me to speculate on speculation, it is not an NCAA test...but that's just a guess.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Wed Oct 12, 2016 1:31 pm

CatFan1399 wrote:
Olsondogg wrote:So IF it is as speculated, the details matter...to put it in basketball terms, involving an "illegal" substance:

Three years ago, Michigan basketball player Mitch McGary was suspended for a year for testing positive for marijuana during the NCAA Tournament. McGary wasn't even playing in the tournament, as he was out with an injury, but he also was unlucky with timing. He would not have missed any games on his first positive test and wouldn't have been suspended for a season until his third positive test. But because he was suspended for a year by the NCAA, he was essentially forced to leave school early. Which means that the NCAA's penalty wasn't just unfairly harsh; it was counterproductive to the association's stated educational mission.
The next time that the NCAA makes a wise decision that is in a player's best interest might be the first of its kind. I hope this works out for Trier, but I'm worried.

You can go the Miami football route and hope the NCAA botches the investigation so bad that they just have to ignore whatever you did to resolve it short of them getting embarassed even more.

UofAlum05 · Post by **UofAlum05** » Wed Oct 12, 2016 1:31 pm

Olsondogg wrote:Well again...IF this is the case, it is a school test or NCAA. If it was Arizona dealing with a test, they are probably discussing a penalty (if any). If it is NCAA, is he allowed to play pending appeal? The reasons he has for going to class are simple, the APR being one of them, but I get the point.

If you want me to speculate on speculation, it is not an NCAA test...but that's just a guess.

If I had to guess I would say it was the NCAA test. They let Josiah Turner play after failing 3 drug tests, it was the 4th where Miller finally put his foot down. From what 97 was saying it looks like the NCAA is involved and my guess is that it is their test.

Olsondogg · Post by **Olsondogg** » Wed Oct 12, 2016 1:39 pm

UofAlum05 wrote:
Olsondogg wrote:Well again...IF this is the case, it is a school test or NCAA. If it was Arizona dealing with a test, they are probably discussing a penalty (if any). If it is NCAA, is he allowed to play pending appeal? The reasons he has for going to class are simple, the APR being one of them, but I get the point.

If you want me to speculate on speculation, it is not an NCAA test...but that's just a guess.
If I had to guess I would say it was the NCAA test. They let Josiah Turner play after failing 3 drug tests, it was the 4th where Miller finally put his foot down. From what 97 was saying it looks like the NCAA is involved and my guess is that it is their test.

Then stop crossing fingers...

EVCat · Post by **EVCat** » Wed Oct 12, 2016 1:50 pm

I wouldn't think the staff would be confident about the outcome on an NCAA dirty test unless it has a really, really good backstory...

But, then again, it might not be this at all...

Project still frozen...

Longhorned · Post by **Longhorned** » Wed Oct 12, 2016 1:55 pm

My guess is that it involved a hard cheese never to be grated.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Wed Oct 12, 2016 1:56 pm

EVCat wrote:I wouldn't think the staff would be confident about the outcome on an NCAA dirty test unless it has a really, really good backstory...

But, then again, it might not be this at all...

Project still frozen...

That's why I tossed out missing a test. If he tested positive on an NCAA test, I can't believe anyone would think there's a great chance that the NCAA will show mercy. If he missed a test and separately submitted a negative test through the school, I could see a pretty good argument for excusing the miss.

Or it could be something else entirely.

Olsondogg · Post by **Olsondogg** » Wed Oct 12, 2016 1:57 pm

NCAA drug policy

The NCAA tests a random sample of athletes at each member school once or twice a year, and during postseason play.

• First failed test: Athletes are selected at random once or twice a year. Failed tests result in a yearlong ban from competition.

UA drug policy

• First failed test: Athletes must meet with their coach and a member of the athletic department to discuss drug use. All athletes who test positive must attend a counseling class and face further testing for a year.

• Second failed test: Athletes are suspended for 10 percent of their team's total number of games.

• Third failed test: Athletes are removed from the team and their scholarship benefits are canceled for one year. They may appeal.

Hank of sb · Post by **Hank of sb** » Wed Oct 12, 2016 1:58 pm

Makes sense it was PEDs. Alonzo would have been the *one* player tested on Arizona's team. If you look at his picture shown on WA, posing yesterday with Book, Trier looked like he had a perfectly toned body. More so than I might have imagined possible.

Alonzo might have been thinking "League."

It also makes sense that the NCAA will not let AT off unscathed and, if I had to guess, he'll lose half a season, at a minimum.

It's amazing the mistakes we human beings involve ourselves with. Everything is always cool until you get caught.

I am surprised to read "alcohol" is on the NCAA list as a banned substance.

Seems like that 'rule' is not enforced.

Jefe · Post by **Jefe** » Wed Oct 12, 2016 2:12 pm

I think he said hes down to 5% body fat

az91 · Post by **az91** » Wed Oct 12, 2016 2:22 pm

Wow, this is potentially terrible news. The program seems somewhat snake bitten after losing Ray Smith to an ACL injury last year and now possibly Trier for a bad test.

Longhorned · Post by **Longhorned** » Wed Oct 12, 2016 2:25 pm

az91 wrote:Wow, this is potentially terrible news. The program seems somewhat snake bitten after losing Ray Smith to an ACL injury last year and now possibly Trier for a bad test.

is that really as far back as you can go?

UofAlum05 · Post by **UofAlum05** » Wed Oct 12, 2016 2:38 pm

Longhorned wrote:
az91 wrote:Wow, this is potentially terrible news. The program seems somewhat snake bitten after losing Ray Smith to an ACL injury last year and now possibly Trier for a bad test.
is that really as far back as you can go?

It has been a lot longer than Sevun. This is a bunch of BS.

Main Event · Post by **Main Event** » Wed Oct 12, 2016 2:41 pm

UofAlum05 wrote:
Longhorned wrote:
az91 wrote:Wow, this is potentially terrible news. The program seems somewhat snake bitten after losing Ray Smith to an ACL injury last year and now possibly Trier for a bad test.
is that really as far back as you can go?
It has been a lot longer than Sevun. This is a bunch of BS.

Was just thinking about this last night. We really need to contact dude who placed the Sevun curse and send him a fruit basket or something. This is unreal

Olsondogg · Post by **Olsondogg** » Wed Oct 12, 2016 2:42 pm

It's cause he really said "Sevun (whisper) teen"

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Wed Oct 12, 2016 2:43 pm

Longhorned wrote:
az91 wrote:Wow, this is potentially terrible news. The program seems somewhat snake bitten after losing Ray Smith to an ACL injury last year and now possibly Trier for a bad test.
is that really as far back as you can go?

Elite Eight vs Utah or Gilbert's shoulder vs Michigan State. Those would be my official starting points for the run of bad luck.

97cats · Post by **97cats** » Wed Oct 12, 2016 2:46 pm

dinner at Morton's with George Karl -- thats when it all started for me

Olsondogg · Post by **Olsondogg** » Wed Oct 12, 2016 2:50 pm

It's really gonna suck when Miller leaves for that lousy NBA team soon...

UofAlum05 · Post by **UofAlum05** » Wed Oct 12, 2016 2:52 pm

Olsondogg wrote:It's cause he really said "Sevun (whisper) teen"

The BS behind this stupid curse is that it has affected the football team now. WTH did those guys do to deserve this?

Olsondogg · Post by **Olsondogg** » Wed Oct 12, 2016 2:58 pm

UofAlum05 wrote:
Olsondogg wrote:It's cause he really said "Sevun (whisper) teen"
The BS behind this stupid curse is that it has affected the football team now. WTH did those guys do to deserve this?

Gardner vs. Walton, I believe.

TFCATFAN · Post by **TFCATFAN** » Wed Oct 12, 2016 3:04 pm

97cats wrote:dinner at Morton's with George Karl -- thats when it all started for me

Was it just a dinner? I had always heard there was a full on game plan handed over. That was a team of destiny too....

Other tragedies for me include Gibert's shoulder...Reeves and Stoudamire throwing up bricks against Arkansas in the 2nd half...being 1-3 vs. Wisconsin in the NCAA's...That time that thing happened in that place we shall not speak of about 11 years ago...Jay Williams using Gardner as a boogie board...

A bunch of missed shots at the end of Elite 8 games...

God we need a Final Four!

gumby · Post by **gumby** » Wed Oct 12, 2016 3:06 pm

97cats wrote:dinner at Morton's with George Karl -- thats when it all started for me

Plus, it brought us Triangle and Too.

scumdevils86 · Post by **scumdevils86** » Wed Oct 12, 2016 3:07 pm

I just wish I had become a fan at some point before 2002 so I would have some first hand experience of knowing the final 4 and beyond successes...

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Wed Oct 12, 2016 3:09 pm

scumdevils86 wrote:I just wish I had become a fan at some point before 2002 so I would have some first hand experience of knowing the final 4 and beyond successes...

That's heartbreaking, scumdevil. We're a FF program who hasn't been there in a very long time.

So what's the word on Trier?

97cats · Post by **97cats** » Wed Oct 12, 2016 3:09 pm

TFCATFAN wrote: Was it just a dinner? I had always heard there was a full on game plan handed over.

it was dinner -- and a full on game plan was articulated, explained, diagrammed, and delivered on the back of a cocktail napkin.

no joke

97cats · Post by **97cats** » Wed Oct 12, 2016 3:11 pm

gumby wrote: Plus, it brought us Triangle and Too.

fuck me -- talk about punishment

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