The 2019-2020 Season Thread

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Tue Jun 25, 2019 2:06 pm

Here's Weaver's highlights from this past season. Spoiler Alert, it's a lot of catch and shoot 3s.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Un42FO8boZ8" target="_blank

Side note: How do you embed youtube videos again? The old youtube format isn't working.

Olsondogg · Post by **Olsondogg** » Tue Jun 25, 2019 2:14 pm

Catch and shoot threes is what we wanted from Barcello from his time in Tucson. Only really happened in practices apparently.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Tue Jun 25, 2019 2:17 pm

I doubt Weaver hits 30% of 3's at Arizona. The line is now extended to international distance, and he will now have to face taller and quicker players while at Arizona.

TJ McConnell was an outstanding 3 point shooter at Duquesne (40%, 42%), but never could get in a groove at Arizona (36%, 32%) against better competition.

Weaver does have pretty good form though. Better than McConnell.

Right click, "copy embed code", paste, highlight, then the "youtube" button.

NYCat · Post by **NYCat** » Tue Jun 25, 2019 2:23 pm

ChooChooCat wrote:Here's Weaver's highlights from this past season. Spoiler Alert, it's a lot of catch and shoot 3s.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Un42FO8boZ8" target="_blank

Side note: How do you embed youtube videos again? The old youtube format isn't working.

Get the embed code from YouTube then copy/paste

Should look like this

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[youtube]<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/Un42FO8boZ8" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe>[/youtube]

On paper, we should have quite a bit of 3pt shooters on roster. Hazzard, Gettings, Weaver, Nnaji (won a 3pt challenge), Mannion, Green maybe also. Of course that doesn't always translate into games, eg: Barcello. Gettings, Hazzard, Weaver I'm extremely skeptical will shoot that well at Arizona, usually doesn't translate to high major basketball.

Longhorned · Post by **Longhorned** » Tue Jun 25, 2019 2:26 pm

Merkin wrote:I doubt Weaver hits 30% of 3's at Arizona. The line is now extended to international distance, and he will now have to face taller and quicker players while at Arizona.

TJ McConnell was an outstanding 3 point shooter at Duquesne (40%, 42%), but never could get in a groove at Arizona (36%, 32%) against better competition.

"copy embed code", paste, highlight, then the "youtube" button.

He has a couple of months to adjust. He should practice shooting from international distance while three assistants prod him with two-by-fours, two more assistants circle him on bicycles, two more throw grapefruit at him, and a kid flies a drone over his head.

Jefe · Post by **Jefe** » Tue Jun 25, 2019 3:22 pm

What date are open tryouts?

NYCat · Post by **NYCat** » Tue Jun 25, 2019 3:41 pm

Also this from Eric Bossi from earlier

Dude is going to start and be really good

CalStateTempe · Post by **CalStateTempe** » Tue Jun 25, 2019 4:36 pm

dovecanyoncat wrote:Survivor Wildcat season 2019. Tribes: Transfers; Five Stars; Returnees. Exile to FBI Island. Hidden Injury Idols. Tribal council every single goddamned day.

Lmao...well done!

NYCat · Post by **NYCat** » Wed Jun 26, 2019 12:41 pm

I have to agree with this tbh, too much unproven and unknown at this moment - especially if Williams does leave. Maybe 20-25 is more accurate.

In bold are also pac 12 conference or potential opponents this year. Also the champions classic are all top 4 and will be great again.

1. Michigan State
2. Kansas
3. Kentucky
4. Duke
5. Maryland
6. Texas Tech
7. Seton Hall
8. Louisville
9. North Carolina
10. Memphis
11. Florida
12. Gonzaga
13. Virginia
14. Villanova
15. Xavier
16. Purdue
17. Baylor
18. Ohio State
19. Georgetown
20. Illinois
21. Auburn
22. Washington
23. Utah State
24. Marquette
25. VCU
26. Colorado
27. Wisconsin
28. Houston
29. Arizona (25): The Wildcats have one of the top recruiting classes in the country and added UC Irvine transfer Max Hazzard, but they are losing incoming freshman Terry Armstrong to professional basketball. The Wildcats have to prove they belong in the top 20 after a disappointing season last season.
30. Providence
31. Davidson
32. St. Marys
33. Penn State
34. Tennessee
35. NC State
36. South Florida

YoDeFoe · Post by **YoDeFoe** » Wed Jun 26, 2019 1:40 pm

Without any news on Williams, 29th is an absurd ranking for a team that will feature two top ten freshman, a USA basketball freshman, a five star sophomore, and a five star senior (with a bench of four star players and all conference grad transfers).

Somewhere in the teens is proper.

I think its really easy to poke holes into one specific team (too many new faces, too many unknowns, too much youth)... until you look at the team above them and the team below and realize that no team is perfect and that most teams outside the top four have serious question marks.

CalStateTempe · Post by **CalStateTempe** » Wed Jun 26, 2019 2:15 pm

Our brand is suffering. For a multitude of reasons.

YoDeFoe · Post by **YoDeFoe** » Wed Jun 26, 2019 2:37 pm

I think its really easy to poke holes into one specific team (too many new faces, too many unknowns, too much youth)... until you look at the team above them and the team below and realize that no team is perfect and that most teams outside the top four have serious question marks.

Georgetown is an easy one to focus on - they had similar "success" as Arizona last season going 19-14 and bowing out of the Big East tournament in the first round. They were nowhere near a Top 25 team last season... so why the top 20 rating here? They lose their senior center (their best player) and his back-up but add a very good center grad transfer. The freshmen and sophomores from last season (including star guard James Akinjo) get a season older... but there's no recruiting class to speak of (one player in the top 150, three more outside the top 250). Nobody returning from injury or any other kind of wildcard. It's just "this year I think they'll get better."

Arizona struggled last season, clearly. But has Sean Miller ever had a top 10 class and failed to turn that into a top 25 ranking? Nope. Even the 2015-16 season, with the turnover (losing TJ, Rondae, Stanley, Brandon), injuries (Ray Smith and Trier), and limited play from incoming recruits (Comanche, Simon, Pitts) - the Cats flirted with a top ten ranking and stayed within the top 25 all season. Mostly around the mid-teens, which again feels like a fair preseason assessment for this team.

You want to aim a little higher?

Duke is a projected top four team this season because they add the number four class to a five star guard and a collection of role players.

Arizona is a projected sub-top-25 team this season because they add the number three class to a five star guard and a five star center and two all conference grad transfers and a collection of role players.

Excuse me if I feel that Arizona isn't getting a fair shake here.

(Caveat: losing BWill would throw us down the rankings - maybe to where we are here - but realistically should still keep us as a top 25 team... there's not a lot of teams that can run out the talent, have the home court advantage, and have the coaching of Arizona this season).

YoDeFoe · Post by **YoDeFoe** » Wed Jun 26, 2019 2:52 pm

Weaver ranked 42nd on the transfer market according to Bart Torvik... Barcello ranked 49th. Would really prefer to keep Alex.

http://barttorvik.com/playerstat.php?li ... d=20190501

gronk4heisman · Post by **gronk4heisman** » Wed Jun 26, 2019 2:55 pm

The Kansas thing still blows my mind, they lose almost their entire roster from a 3rd place Big 12 team and add no one I would consider a difference maker. As far as I am aware the add a bunch of mid level recruits, an average transfer from Iowa and two guys who have not played basketball in a year. I do not see how they are a better team next year then Arizona as things are now.

YoDeFoe · Post by **YoDeFoe** » Wed Jun 26, 2019 2:55 pm

Arizona drops from 15th ranked to 22nd ranked with the subtraction of BWill according to Bart Torvik's projections.

http://barttorvik.com/draftcast.php?tea ... %3BArizona

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Wed Jun 26, 2019 2:58 pm

YoDeFoe wrote:Weaver ranked 42nd on the transfer market according to Bart Torvik... Barcello ranked 49th. Would really prefer to keep Alex.

Same here, good work ethic, knows the system, seemed well liked and more potential if you look at high school rankings, Weaver a 2 star, Barcello a 4 star. Barcello seemed content in his role too, but shows how little fans know.

YoDeFoe · Post by **YoDeFoe** » Wed Jun 26, 2019 3:05 pm

gronk4heisman wrote:The Kansas thing still blows my mind, they lose almost their entire roster from a 3rd place Big 12 team and add no one I would consider a difference maker. As far as I am aware the add a bunch of mid level recruits, an average transfer from Iowa and two guys who have not played basketball in a year. I do not see how they are a better team next year then Arizona as things are now.

KU should have a really tough interior with a ton of depth, an elite lead PG in Dotson, wing depth with defense and shooting between returnees Agbaji and Garrett and incoming four star Wilson, as well as a good back-up ball handler in McBride. I think they'll be a really dangerous team and I'm okay with their ranking.

I still think they may struggle with spacing if they don't have two of Dotson, Moss, and McBride on the floor together. To be a Final Four team, they'll need Ochai Agbaji to deliver on the promise that he'll start hitting his outside shots. Their forwards are not shooters - they'll need shooting from 1 through 3. We know better than most the folly of thinking that scoring at will from the post is a recipe for a deep tournament run.

I don't know if they're the second best team in the country, but they're a top ten team.

YoDeFoe · Post by **YoDeFoe** » Thu Jun 27, 2019 10:13 am

Content

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Thu Jun 27, 2019 10:17 am

YoDeFoe wrote:Content

Even more content

YoDeFoe · Post by **YoDeFoe** » Thu Jun 27, 2019 10:50 am

Zeke looks ready. Koloko putting on weight. Our front court depth is legit. Can Ira or Stone play back-up SF? We've got a lot of talent for only 80 minutes of PF/C play.

NickyBCats · Post by **NickyBCats** » Thu Jun 27, 2019 10:51 am

APlayersProgram on Instagram posted more photos and Bwill was there With the team.

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Thu Jun 27, 2019 10:51 am

Is BW at practice?

Jefe · Post by **Jefe** » Thu Jun 27, 2019 11:12 am

Coleman still working out with the team. Not seeing BWill though

https://www.instagram.com/p/BzMR5mtBSRz/" target="_blank

IndianaZonaFan · Post by **IndianaZonaFan** » Thu Jun 27, 2019 11:23 am

Jefe wrote:Coleman still working out with the team. Not seeing BWill though

https://www.instagram.com/p/BzMR5mtBSRz/" target="_blank

He’s in the same picture as Coleman. In the huddle to the left.

YoDeFoe · Post by **YoDeFoe** » Thu Jun 27, 2019 11:49 am

Some more (just had to ask nicely

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NickyBCats · Post by **NickyBCats** » Thu Jun 27, 2019 12:05 pm

Coleman is s grad assistant. Bwill is in that same pic

NYCat · Post by **NYCat** » Thu Jun 27, 2019 12:06 pm

IndianaZonaFan wrote:
Jefe wrote:Coleman still working out with the team. Not seeing BWill though

https://www.instagram.com/p/BzMR5mtBSRz/" target="_blank
He’s in the same picture as Coleman. In the huddle to the left.

YoDeFoe · Post by **YoDeFoe** » Thu Jun 27, 2019 12:07 pm

Where is Nico?

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Thu Jun 27, 2019 12:22 pm

YoDeFoe wrote:Where is Nico?

He'll be back for the second summer session.

Jefe · Post by **Jefe** » Thu Jun 27, 2019 1:33 pm

Oh right. BWill in a tshirt rather than jersey

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Thu Jun 27, 2019 2:18 pm

Jefe wrote:Oh right. BWill in a tshirt rather than jersey

About half the guys are in t-shirts. Don't kill my hope.

YoDeFoe · Post by **YoDeFoe** » Thu Jun 27, 2019 2:22 pm

Ira is in a t-shirt and clearing playing so take that BWill doubters

Jefe · Post by **Jefe** » Thu Jun 27, 2019 2:42 pm

Im 0 for 2. Hang on, let me find a 3rd

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Thu Jun 27, 2019 5:23 pm

SunnyAZ · Post by **SunnyAZ** » Thu Jun 27, 2019 8:52 pm

Koloko looks pretty big.

Main Event · Post by **Main Event** » Thu Jun 27, 2019 9:14 pm

Been a fan of Kolo. If you're not getting an Ayton, I think he's the type of big we need going forward

SunnyAZ · Post by **SunnyAZ** » Thu Jun 27, 2019 9:23 pm

Spaceman Spiff wrote:
Jefe wrote:Oh right. BWill in a tshirt rather than jersey
About half the guys are in t-shirts. Don't kill my hope.

none of them are in jerseys. some are wearing muscle shirts/sleeveless shirts

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Fri Jun 28, 2019 7:28 am

SunnyAZ wrote:
Spaceman Spiff wrote:
Jefe wrote:Oh right. BWill in a tshirt rather than jersey
About half the guys are in t-shirts. Don't kill my hope.
none of them are in jerseys. some are wearing muscle shirts/sleeveless shirts

It was also a small workout with just the frontcourt players.

Longhorned · Post by **Longhorned** » Fri Jun 28, 2019 7:28 am

SunnyAZ wrote:Koloko looks pretty big.

Tall, but my three year old daughter crashed into his legs and I was glad they didn't snap.

Frybry02 · Post by **Frybry02** » Fri Jun 28, 2019 7:41 am

YoDeFoe wrote:Content

I cring when I see players with their elbow Flared out in their shot form. Green form Looks like Nick Johnson’s

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Fri Jun 28, 2019 7:43 am

Frybry02 wrote:
YoDeFoe wrote:Content
I cring when I see players with their elbow Flared out in their shot form. Green form Looks like Nick Johnson’s

I have called him a more advanced Nick Johnson with NBA size for numerous reasons. His shooting form is one of them.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Fri Jun 28, 2019 9:29 am

ChooChooCat wrote:
Frybry02 wrote:
YoDeFoe wrote:Content
I cring when I see players with their elbow Flared out in their shot form. Green form Looks like Nick Johnson’s
I have called him a more advanced Nick Johnson with NBA size for numerous reasons. His shooting form is one of them.

A lot of what Nick Johnson lacked was Green's size. I always thought NJ would be a longtime pro if he was 4 inches taller.

NYCat · Post by **NYCat** » Fri Jun 28, 2019 12:06 pm

#15 - Arizona (-1)

Coach: Sean Miller

2018-19 record: 17-15

Notable players gone: Brandon Randolph, Justin Coleman, Ryan Luther

Notable players returning: Brandon Williams, Chase Jeter, Dylan Smith, Ira Lee, Alex Barcello , Devonaire Doutrive

Expected additions: Max Hazzard , Nico Mannion, Josh Green, Zeke Nnaji, Terry Armstrong, Christian Koloko, Stone Gettings

Sean Miller, even with an NCAA cloud hovering over his program, has secured a top-five recruiting class that should return the Wildcats to the NCAA Tournament. The addition of grad-transfer Max Hazzard was a nice late development.

Postmaster · Post by **Postmaster** » Sat Jun 29, 2019 3:52 pm

Longhorned wrote:
SunnyAZ wrote:Koloko looks pretty big.
Tall, but my three year old daughter crashed into his legs and I was glad they didn't snap.

That’s how I felt whoever I saw DD orotund campus last year. I swear my arms are bigger than his legs.

RaisingArizona · Post by **RaisingArizona** » Sat Jun 29, 2019 8:14 pm

Nnaji can be a lottery pick IMO. Perfect NBA small ball 5. He’s going to be a VERY rich man in about 5-7 years.

Mannion, Green and Nnaji is our best 1,2, 3 of any class. My apologies to Tark, Ashley and Jarrett. While I’m sad about BW, I’m confident that this year will be an entertaining rendition of Wildcat basketball.

billk78 · Post by **billk78** » Mon Jul 01, 2019 9:38 am

Forgive me if this is a stupid question...I'm not as up to date on our recruits this year as I usually am. But if Bwill doesn't play is Green capable of playing the 2? And then go big? For example: Nico, Green, Nnaji, Ira, Chase? Or is that too big/slow? I think Hazzard could be productive for us as well.

Now that Im thinking about it, if we went with those 5 whoever is playing the 3 would have trouble defending in the man defense.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Mon Jul 01, 2019 9:53 am

billk78 wrote:Forgive me if this is a stupid question...I'm not as up to date on our recruits this year as I usually am. But if Bwill doesn't play is Green capable of playing the 2? And then go big? For example: Nico, Green, Nnaji, Ira, Chase? Or is that too big/slow? I think Hazzard could be productive for us as well.

Now that Im thinking about it, if we went with those 5 whoever is playing the 3 would have trouble defending in the man defense.

Green should be fine on any wing on D. Asking Nnaji or Lee to cover a wing on D is the part of that lineup I don't like.

billk78 · Post by **billk78** » Mon Jul 01, 2019 10:22 am

Spaceman Spiff wrote:
billk78 wrote:Forgive me if this is a stupid question...I'm not as up to date on our recruits this year as I usually am. But if Bwill doesn't play is Green capable of playing the 2? And then go big? For example: Nico, Green, Nnaji, Ira, Chase? Or is that too big/slow? I think Hazzard could be productive for us as well.

Now that Im thinking about it, if we went with those 5 whoever is playing the 3 would have trouble defending in the man defense.
Green should be fine on any wing on D. Asking Nnaji or Lee to cover a wing on D is the part of that lineup I don't like.

Sure would be an interesting lineup for a zone though huh? lol

YoDeFoe · Post by **YoDeFoe** » Mon Jul 01, 2019 10:40 am

Spaceman Spiff wrote:
billk78 wrote:Forgive me if this is a stupid question...I'm not as up to date on our recruits this year as I usually am. But if Bwill doesn't play is Green capable of playing the 2? And then go big? For example: Nico, Green, Nnaji, Ira, Chase? Or is that too big/slow? I think Hazzard could be productive for us as well.

Now that Im thinking about it, if we went with those 5 whoever is playing the 3 would have trouble defending in the man defense.
Green should be fine on any wing on D. Asking Nnaji or Lee to cover a wing on D is the part of that lineup I don't like.

Yeah I half jokingly asked that same question a few days ago: "Can any of the bigs (Nnaji, Lee, or Gettings) play SF?"

Green can play the two with ease - that's his preferred spot next to Nico. Zeke and Stone maybe have the skill to play on the perimeter as a SF on offense, though I doubt Nnaji has the ball handling we'd want there. Lee I think could maybe defend on the perimeter but he's also liable to pick up blocking fouls out there and his suspect shooting touch is tough to project to SF play.

Of all of the bigs, I think only Gettings has viable potential to play SF. He's got the passing ability, outside shooting, and enough ball handling to be a threat from the perimeter (I've seen some highlights of him blowing by defenders on pump fakes from the corner). Likely just a situational use (injury / foul / certain match-ups). Mark Tollefsen played a similar role on the 2016 team at similar size (albeit with more bounce and less strength).

baycat93 · Post by **baycat93** » Mon Jul 01, 2019 10:49 am

billk78 wrote:Forgive me if this is a stupid question...I'm not as up to date on our recruits this year as I usually am. But if Bwill doesn't play is Green capable of playing the 2? And then go big? For example: Nico, Green, Nnaji, Ira, Chase? Or is that too big/slow? I think Hazzard could be productive for us as well.

Now that Im thinking about it, if we went with those 5 whoever is playing the 3 would have trouble defending in the man defense.

I don't think moving the bigs into the wing is the answer. The unfortunate domino effect of losing Williams is going to be small ball. Hazzard is going to get a lot of minutes. Ultimately I think shooting and spacing are going to be important to open up the post/lane for Jeter/Nnaji.

If we want to keep size, that means DD and DS with more minutes. Will be interesting to see how that plays out. I worry that needing/having to give minutes to DD/DS takes away accountability and we will have similar problems to last season. DD not playing Defense and DS dribbling and taking horrible shots.

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