Bear Down Wildcats

Thanks you guys. Those are good thoughts. My guess is they're practicing it. I'm glad the problem got exposed before heading into the NCAA tourney.

Longhorned wrote:Thanks you guys. Those are good thoughts. My guess is they're practicing it. I'm glad the problem got exposed before heading into the NCAA tourney.

I'm sure they are. It's like zone. I'm sure we practice it with good principles, but translating those principles into games doesn't always produce reliable results.

Spaceman Spiff wrote:

Longhorned wrote:Thanks you guys. Those are good thoughts. My guess is they're practicing it. I'm glad the problem got exposed before heading into the NCAA tourney.

I'm sure they are. It's like zone. I'm sure we practice it with good principles, but translating those principles into games doesn't always produce reliable results.

Yeah, but like with the zone, the differing results from the games give you a different approach to working on the problem.

Longhorned wrote:

Spaceman Spiff wrote:

Longhorned wrote:Thanks you guys. Those are good thoughts. My guess is they're practicing it. I'm glad the problem got exposed before heading into the NCAA tourney.

I'm sure they are. It's like zone. I'm sure we practice it with good principles, but translating those principles into games doesn't always produce reliable results.

Yeah, but like with the zone, the differing results from the games give you a different approach to working on the problem.

True. I did toss out the tweaks I like. There's just an underlying limitation revolving around the actual game transition that can be difficult to mimic.

If all else fails, mitigate the negative outcomes of the press with a positive when you do beat it. Looking like shit against the press, and 10 turnovers, and then going into our standard half court offense is not the same as looking like shit against the press, and 10 turnovers, and getting 6-10 easy layups/looks and our standard half court offense the rest of the possession. The press is a gamble, or more teams would employ it outside of mere desperation.

rgdeuce wrote:If all else fails, mitigate the negative outcomes of the press with a positive when you do beat it. Looking like shit against the press, and 10 turnovers, and then going into our standard half court offense is not the same as looking like shit against the press, and 10 turnovers, and getting 6-10 easy layups/looks and our standard half court offense the rest of the possession. The press is a gamble, or more teams would employ it outside of mere desperation.

The bigger question is in a situation like Oregon. We were already up substantially and generally want to play a slower pace then they do. I'm sure they were happy to speed us up.

I'm not saying you don't still attack, but when you face a team trying to dictate tempo when down double digits, it's a difficult question.

Spaceman Spiff wrote:

rgdeuce wrote:If all else fails, mitigate the negative outcomes of the press with a positive when you do beat it. Looking like shit against the press, and 10 turnovers, and then going into our standard half court offense is not the same as looking like shit against the press, and 10 turnovers, and getting 6-10 easy layups/looks and our standard half court offense the rest of the possession. The press is a gamble, or more teams would employ it outside of mere desperation.

The bigger question is in a situation like Oregon. We were already up substantially and generally want to play a slower pace then they do. I'm sure they were happy to speed us up.

I'm not saying you don't still attack, but when you face a team trying to dictate tempo when down double digits, it's a difficult question.

IIRC, Duke tried to do this to us in 2011 when the game was starting to get out of hand, and we went full throttle and made it worse. I think that was the way we should have played it in the Oregon game, but admittedly, that would have been risky given our foul trouble situation. It may have also gotten Brooks out of the game earlier on the flip side.

I don't have a kid on the floor, but that's what I look like, except with a little more buffalo in a china shop thing going on.

Awesome!

Well now we know where he got his hairline from.

Ramon is INTENSE...that was obvious to anyone who's seen 'At All Costs' on Netflix......on another note, I really enjoyed watching the 97 Championship game and seeing Bobbi, Bibby's Mom, Miles Simon's parents, etc in the closing minutes.....Also Lute turning his back on some of the FT attempts....lol, made me recall the crazy crap I was doing watching that game....one of the most nerve-wracking yet happiest memories ever re: Arizona sports.

Jefe wrote:

I. Can't. Even.

Don't know how the parents can stand it.

That's about how I look just as a regular fan at the end of any big game that's close.

PJC on turning the UCLA defeat into a "good loss" (w/video)...

'We’ve turned a corner in a big way. In a big way'

Gimino wrote:PJC on turning the UCLA defeat into a "good loss" (w/video)...

'We’ve turned a corner in a big way. In a big way'

Thank you, AG. Fantastic piece.

Longhorned wrote:

Gimino wrote:PJC on turning the UCLA defeat into a "good loss" (w/video)...

'We’ve turned a corner in a big way. In a big way'

Thank you, AG. Fantastic piece.

Terrific, AG, voice of a winner! Thanks.

What's with the string on the hats? I've seen it all over the country but I have no idea why. Anyone?

84Cat wrote:What's with the string on the hats? I've seen it all over the country but I have no idea why. Anyone?

It's from the nets they cut down

Duh, makes sense, thanks!

scumdevils86 wrote:That's about how I look just as a regular fan at the end of any big game that's close.

Aww that's so cute that you think you, or me, or the rest who post here are "regular" fans

97 Cats vindicated again. This kid should never see the floor for a team with aspirations of doing anything. Miller needs to do whatever it takes to get Duval or we can write off next year.

He's the sole ball handler next year

Hahaha

Fucking kill me

This was a complete team loss. PJC was never going to lead a team to the NC.

Love SM but this is on him, not PJC.

Gladiator Cat wrote:This was a complete team loss. PJC was never going to lead a team to the NC.

Love SM but this is on him, not PJC.

PJC is what he is, this is a Miller loss for sure.

legallykenny wrote:97 Cats vindicated again. This kid should never see the floor for a team with aspirations of doing anything. Miller needs to do whatever it takes to get Duval or we can write off next year.

What!? That is your fucking takeaway? You are an idiot.

threenumberones wrote:

legallykenny wrote:97 Cats vindicated again. This kid should never see the floor for a team with aspirations of doing anything. Miller needs to do whatever it takes to get Duval or we can write off next year.

What!? That is your fucking takeaway? You are an idiot.

He was god awful and next year he's penciled in as the starter. No scoring. No creating. Less than a traffic cone on defense. You seriously don't get the problem here?

legallykenny wrote:

threenumberones wrote:

legallykenny wrote:97 Cats vindicated again. This kid should never see the floor for a team with aspirations of doing anything. Miller needs to do whatever it takes to get Duval or we can write off next year.

What!? That is your fucking takeaway? You are an idiot.

He was god awful and next year he's penciled in as the starter. No scoring. No creating. Less than a traffic cone on defense. You seriously don't get the problem here?

Sure it's a problem but it doesn't even make my top ten for this game. Oh and btw Xavier just beat us with a nobody pg that we barely knew was in the game.

It would be great to see a pure pg in an Arizona uniform. Second season I've said that. Watching a shitton of old Arizona film recently confirms it for me. We are combo wing U but that doesn't get it done in march.

PJC wasnt great but he wasnt bad

Needed to drop that wide open 3 at the top of key but he was about 10th on the things wrong last night.

Trier hero ball.
Mark not being aggressive enough / team not looking for him
Miller subs and coaching and use of TOS
Offense looking lost v 1-3-1
Defense on blewitt
Dusan D
pinder in game late, especially over Chance
3 pt shooting , almost all good looks
Kadeem foul trouble first half



Then maybe PJC.

rgdeuce wrote:PJC wasnt great but he wasnt bad

PJC was who I think he will always be. Decent, but the guy who won't win a game for you, but probably won't lose it either. Just there.

Come on down Dylan Smith!

Why didn't Bill Walton know that Parker was named after Charlie Parker

Special memorial Andy Kaufman award, a tie: LK and PennZ. guys.

Advance post with shout out to PJC for an amazing game. Now that's what we call defending the point. MVP of the night.

Love the spirit LH and I agree.

Goood game PJC!

Had a solid game but more importantly....

Arizona is a horrible team when PJC is on the bench.

Alieberman wrote:Had a solid game but more importantly....

Arizona is a horrible team when PJC is on the bench.

Especially when being pressed.

I felt he had a really good night tonight. would have had a few more assists if the guys he passed to hit their open looks.

also coulda had a few more points too of course (that missed layup made me laugh though).

PJC actually was the MVP. ASU's four guard lineup allowed them to full court pressure all night long. It's too bad PJC had to take a couple of breathers because we needed him on every possession.

Otherwise, yeah. 6:1 ratio. That's something to behold.

And Holder's 31 points aren't on PJC.

PieceOfMeat wrote: also coulda had a few more points too of course (that missed layup made me laugh though).

that wasn’t funny

97cats wrote:

PieceOfMeat wrote: also coulda had a few more points too of course (that missed layup made me laugh though).

that wasn’t funny

I turned green.

97cats wrote:

PieceOfMeat wrote: also coulda had a few more points too of course (that missed layup made me laugh though).

that wasn’t funny

it still made me laugh.

Meanwhile PJC was really good and Jeff Goodman didn’t actually see the game.

Chicat wrote:

Meanwhile PJC was really good and Jeff Goodman didn’t actually see the game.

Jeff being Jeff

Cats +15 with Parker, best on team. Barcello ... still has the yips. Alkins, bad turnovers. Parker is crucial.

gumby wrote:Cats +15 with Parker, best on team. Barcello ... still has the yips. Alkins, bad turnovers. Parker is crucial.

We need Barcelllo to play like he knows what he’s doing out there. Defend defend defend.

gumby wrote:Cats +15 with Parker, best on team. Barcello ... still has the yips. Alkins, bad turnovers. Parker is crucial.

Definitely.

But here’s what I don’t understand. He’s so good at breaking the press, so why doesn’t the team break toward the basket more often for a high percentage shot earlier in the shot clock? I understand that the purpose of that kind of press is to dictate a faster pace that favors ASU, but Arizona just seems to err too much on the side of holding up the ball to allow ASU to set their defense. When that happens, the feisty swarm in the paint makes it harder for our bigs to score or kick out to a shooter.

Longhorned wrote:

gumby wrote:Cats +15 with Parker, best on team. Barcello ... still has the yips. Alkins, bad turnovers. Parker is crucial.

Definitely.

But here’s what I don’t understand. He’s so good at breaking the press, so why doesn’t the team break toward the basket more often for a high percentage shot earlier in the shot clock? I understand that the purpose of that kind of press is to dictate a faster pace that favors ASU, but Arizona just seems to err too much on the side of holding up the ball to allow ASU to set their defense. When that happens, the feisty swarm in the paint makes it harder for our bigs to score or kick out to a shooter.

Agree. I think part of it is not trusting teammates at this point. He could press the issue, but then someone like Smith or Lee or Randolph jacks a shot without Ayton getting those touches we all say he needs.