Re: Kerr Kriisa
Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2023 12:09 pm
contusion is the best news for kriisa's injury. get him on the TENS!
These stats are pretty dismaying. What's worse to me, though, is that I don't see him really improving, not in a way that impacts the team's success. He led the Pac in assists and deserves credit for that. Imagine if he had Koloko and Mathurin to pass to this year. But he's not good enough to be starting PG for a team that expects to get far in the NCAA tournament. He just isn't.KaibabKat wrote: Fri Mar 17, 2023 12:43 pm Here are Kerr Kriisa's overall NCAA Tournament stats:
3 games - 2 starts in 3 years at Arizona
82 minutes played
0-0 inside the arc
0-0 free throws
3-24 from 3 point range = 12.5%
9 total points = 3 ppg
4 assists
8 turnovers
0.5 A/TO
9 personal fouls
0 steals
0 blocks
7 rebounds
-9 Player Efficiency Rating
There are no asterisks.
There are those who will immediately defend those performances by pointing out that the poor guy was playing injured. That reasoning begs the question: If so, what on earth is wrong with the thinking of those responsible for continuing to play him under such dire circumstances although healthier and obviously better qualified players were available?
It is not sour grapes, Krissa hating, or being a bad fan, to ask a very obvious question.
CardiacCats97 wrote: Fri Mar 17, 2023 1:01 pm Last year he had to play. This year we had Boswell, so there’s really no excuse.
Is that good?KaibabKat wrote: Fri Mar 17, 2023 12:43 pm Here are Kerr Kriisa's overall NCAA Tournament stats:
3 games - 2 starts in 3 years at Arizona
82 minutes played
0-0 inside the arc
0-0 free throws
3-24 from 3 point range = 12.5%
9 total points = 3 ppg
4 assists
8 turnovers
0.5 A/TO
9 personal fouls
0 steals
0 blocks
7 rebounds
-9 Player Efficiency Rating
There are no asterisks.
There are those who will immediately defend those performances by pointing out that the poor guy was playing injured. That reasoning begs the question: If so, what on earth is wrong with the thinking of those responsible for continuing to play him under such dire circumstances although healthier and obviously better qualified players were available?
It is not sour grapes, Krissa hating, or being a bad fan, to ask a very obvious question.
"pundit"????Merkin wrote: Fri Mar 17, 2023 2:58 pm Didn't Kriisa throw the other members of the team under the bus in his post game interview for not having enough effort?
I went to the Stanford game in Palo Alto, and went out on the floor after the game. All the players on both teams had a sheet of paper. I picked one up to see what it was. It was the stats for both teams. No idea how they got them printed so fast.
In any event, even if you didn't know your own stats, you certainly did after the game. Kriisa had to know how shitty he played.
Pundits are now thinking like some of us.
This. Boswell is good, and is going to get a lot better, but everyone is projecting Kerr’s weaknesses into the freshman’s strengths. Go back and look at Boswell’s last few minutes on the floor. He took a quick, ill-advised 3-pointer, that he missed badly; turned the ball over on an easy entry pass to Tubelis; and worst of all, there was a loose ball that was within easy reach if he dove on the floor, that he lackadaisically allowed a Princeton player to grab, leading to a critical basket during the midst of the run that put them up for good. He hasn’t matured quite enough to run the team yet. By next year, maybe, but he wasn’t ready yesterday.arizonawildcats wrote: Fri Mar 17, 2023 3:53 pm Boswell isn't ready to run the offense. He has a long way to go.
What are you comparing Boswell too in this instance? Because I’m not sure Krissa did anything better those last five minutes. I believe Krissa had two turnovers, no points, no assists, and no defense. Similar stats to all his tournament games. Would I had started Boswell? No. But I sure would had him on the floor the last 5 minutes, because he was the only guard doing something. He would at least play defense.TucsonCat wrote: Fri Mar 17, 2023 8:20 pmThis. Boswell is good, and is going to get a lot better, but everyone is projecting Kerr’s weaknesses into the freshman’s strengths. Go back and look at Boswell’s last few minutes on the floor. He took a quick, ill-advised 3-pointer, that he missed badly; turned the ball over on an easy entry pass to Tubelis; and worst of all, there was a loose ball that was within easy reach if he dove on the floor, that he lackadaisically allowed a Princeton player to grab, leading to a critical basket during the midst of the run that put them up for good. He hasn’t matured quite enough to run the team yet. By next year, maybe, but he wasn’t ready yesterday.arizonawildcats wrote: Fri Mar 17, 2023 3:53 pm Boswell isn't ready to run the offense. He has a long way to go.
Ok, but you could say that about the worst coach in college basketball too. If a guy goes 1-58 over two years he’s also got more wins than anyone on this board. You think that dude’s decisions can’t be questioned either?TucsonCat wrote: Fri Mar 17, 2023 8:20 pmI trust the basketball knowledge of the man who has won more basketball games in his first two years as an head coach over everyone on this board. No offense.arizonawildcats wrote: Fri Mar 17, 2023 3:53 pm Boswell isn't ready to run the offense. He has a long way to go.
I’m not comparing Boswell to anyone. He is a very good, young, player. I’m simply saying that there is a reason that CTL chose to have Krissa in the game at that time. And I highly doubt it’s due to loyalty. This is a coach with an experienced eye for when a player is adding to the game plan, or is failing to hit certain benchmarks. He made the choice to stick with Krissa, despite his limitations, and his injury, because of what he saw out there on the court.OSUCat wrote: Fri Mar 17, 2023 11:41 pmWhat are you comparing Boswell too in this instance? Because I’m not sure Krissa did anything better those last five minutes. I believe Krissa had two turnovers, no points, no assists, and no defense. Similar stats to all his tournament games. Would I had started Boswell? No. But I sure would had him on the floor the last 5 minutes, because he was the only guard doing something. He would at least play defense.TucsonCat wrote: Fri Mar 17, 2023 8:20 pmThis. Boswell is good, and is going to get a lot better, but everyone is projecting Kerr’s weaknesses into the freshman’s strengths. Go back and look at Boswell’s last few minutes on the floor. He took a quick, ill-advised 3-pointer, that he missed badly; turned the ball over on an easy entry pass to Tubelis; and worst of all, there was a loose ball that was within easy reach if he dove on the floor, that he lackadaisically allowed a Princeton player to grab, leading to a critical basket during the midst of the run that put them up for good. He hasn’t matured quite enough to run the team yet. By next year, maybe, but he wasn’t ready yesterday.arizonawildcats wrote: Fri Mar 17, 2023 3:53 pm Boswell isn't ready to run the offense. He has a long way to go.
Only issue with this comment is that I am not saying this about the worst coach in college basketball. I’m saying this about a coach with the winningest record in college basketball history over his first two years on the job. I think that record buys him a little cache, when it comes to his personnel decisions. More, this is a coach that lost essentially ALL of his athleticism to the NBA draft last year, and still won 28 games, and a second consecutive Pac12 Tournament Championship. Heck, he still hasn’t lost two games in a row, nor has he lost to the same opponent twice in a season. Is he perfect? Hell no! And, I believe he would be the first to tell you that. But even Coach K lost games in the first round to inferior competition. It happens. He will learn what he needs to (in year 2 of his tenure) and continue to improve his product.CardiacCats97 wrote: Sat Mar 18, 2023 2:17 amOk, but you could say that about the worst coach in college basketball too. If a guy goes 1-58 over two years he’s also got more wins than anyone on this board. You think that dude’s decisions can’t be questioned either?TucsonCat wrote: Fri Mar 17, 2023 8:20 pmI trust the basketball knowledge of the man who has won more basketball games in his first two years as an head coach over everyone on this board. No offense.arizonawildcats wrote: Fri Mar 17, 2023 3:53 pm Boswell isn't ready to run the offense. He has a long way to go.
Lute lost three games to teams seeded #13 or lower - tied for most ever!! Arizona fans wanted his head on a sliver platter (as late as after the final regular game in the 1996-97 season!TucsonCat wrote: Sat Mar 18, 2023 8:07 amOnly issue with this comment is that I am not saying this about the worst coach in college basketball. I’m saying this about a coach with the winningest record in college basketball history over his first two years on the job. I think that record buys him a little cache, when it comes to his personnel decisions. More, this is a coach that lost essentially ALL of his athleticism to the NBA draft last year, and still won 28 games, and a second consecutive Pac12 Tournament Championship. Heck, he still hasn’t lost two games in a row, nor has he lost to the same opponent twice in a season. Is he perfect? Hell no! And, I believe he would be the first to tell you that. But even Coach K lost games in the first round to inferior competition. It happens. He will learn what he needs to (in year 2 of his tenure) and continue to improve his product.CardiacCats97 wrote: Sat Mar 18, 2023 2:17 amOk, but you could say that about the worst coach in college basketball too. If a guy goes 1-58 over two years he’s also got more wins than anyone on this board. You think that dude’s decisions can’t be questioned either?TucsonCat wrote: Fri Mar 17, 2023 8:20 pmI trust the basketball knowledge of the man who has won more basketball games in his first two years as an head coach over everyone on this board. No offense.arizonawildcats wrote: Fri Mar 17, 2023 3:53 pm Boswell isn't ready to run the offense. He has a long way to go.
Miller made the same mistake with Ristic and Tarczewski on the floor at the same time. Neither, especially Dusan, was quick enough to cover 3 point shooters.azcat49 wrote: Sat Mar 18, 2023 9:50 am One thing to Lute’s credit was he realized he needed to change from the big lineup
To a more guard oriented team.
An early lesson of this tourney: teams reliant on big men are vulnerable af. Last season's AZ team was always better than this year's because, ffs, we had two NBA guards on the team. Say what you want about Krrisa and Ramey and Larsson, but they never made up for what we lost in Mathurin in Terry. It's essential to have a couple guards who can create shots, draw fouls, score in traffic and take care of the ball. This season's guards always relied too much on 3 point shooting.Dave wrote: Sat Mar 18, 2023 1:38 pm Olson stayed with Mustafa too long. Miller stayed with Parker too long.
What are your guys thoughts on our two big lineup going forward? Bigs struggling defensively because of ISO ball and being force to guard the perimeter. Bigs struggling offensively because of double teams and physical pack the paint strategies.
Didn't Lute promise Shakur he wouldn't offer another PG? Was the #2 PG in his class after Chris Paul.
Remember how Nico Mannion was supposed to be the best PG we'd had for years?Merkin wrote: Sat Mar 18, 2023 2:50 pmDidn't Lute promise Shakur he wouldn't offer another PG? Was the #2 PG in his class after Chris Paul.
Until Jamelle Horne came along Shakur set the UA record for most bonehead plays. How many unforced turnovers did he have stepping on the baseline? Tended to panic too, as evidenced in the Illini game.
Saying that, he did have 6.9 APG as a senior which hasn't been topped since. TJ had 6.3 APG as a senior. Mustafa also had a cup of coffee in the league, which is more than we can say for Jason Gardner who did tend to shoot the UA out of NCAA tourney games.
I agree. People who think Kriisa is not a good PG or that Nico was anything short of spectacular at AZ really don't know what they're talking about. If we had just let Kriisa shoot more, we'd probably have beaten Princeton by a LOT. And man, if the tourney weren't cancelled in 2020, Nico probably would've averaged like 25 and 10 for the tourney, en route to MOP.
Hell yes!!!
What are you doing about it besides bitching about it on a message board? Are you donating to the collectives more now to get a better PG in your eyes? To the athletic department?Beachcat97 wrote: Sat Mar 18, 2023 3:35 pmI agree. People who think Kriisa is not a good PG or that Nico was anything short of spectacular at AZ really don't know what they're talking about. If we had just let Kriisa shoot more, we'd probably have beaten Princeton by a LOT. And man, if the tourney weren't cancelled in 2020, Nico probably would've averaged like 25 and 10 for the tourney, en route to MOP.
No. I'm only bitching about it on a message board. This strikes me as the most effective way to help AZ reach the FF.PHXCATS wrote: Sat Mar 18, 2023 4:26 pmWhat are you doing about it besides bitching about it on a message board? Are you donating to the collectives more now to get a better PG in your eyes? To the athletic department?Beachcat97 wrote: Sat Mar 18, 2023 3:35 pmI agree. People who think Kriisa is not a good PG or that Nico was anything short of spectacular at AZ really don't know what they're talking about. If we had just let Kriisa shoot more, we'd probably have beaten Princeton by a LOT. And man, if the tourney weren't cancelled in 2020, Nico probably would've averaged like 25 and 10 for the tourney, en route to MOP.
Dude. It's a discussion. One which I'm enjoying reading BTW. No reason to be a dick.PHXCATS wrote: Sat Mar 18, 2023 4:26 pmWhat are you doing about it besides bitching about it on a message board? Are you donating to the collectives more now to get a better PG in your eyes? To the athletic department?Beachcat97 wrote: Sat Mar 18, 2023 3:35 pmI agree. People who think Kriisa is not a good PG or that Nico was anything short of spectacular at AZ really don't know what they're talking about. If we had just let Kriisa shoot more, we'd probably have beaten Princeton by a LOT. And man, if the tourney weren't cancelled in 2020, Nico probably would've averaged like 25 and 10 for the tourney, en route to MOP.
Not to PHX. It's something very, very different.Carcassdragger wrote: Sat Mar 18, 2023 5:57 pmDude. It's a discussion. One which I'm enjoying reading BTW. No reason to be a dick.PHXCATS wrote: Sat Mar 18, 2023 4:26 pmWhat are you doing about it besides bitching about it on a message board? Are you donating to the collectives more now to get a better PG in your eyes? To the athletic department?Beachcat97 wrote: Sat Mar 18, 2023 3:35 pmI agree. People who think Kriisa is not a good PG or that Nico was anything short of spectacular at AZ really don't know what they're talking about. If we had just let Kriisa shoot more, we'd probably have beaten Princeton by a LOT. And man, if the tourney weren't cancelled in 2020, Nico probably would've averaged like 25 and 10 for the tourney, en route to MOP.
I asked a question. Is that wrongCarcassdragger wrote: Sat Mar 18, 2023 5:57 pmDude. It's a discussion. One which I'm enjoying reading BTW. No reason to be a dick.PHXCATS wrote: Sat Mar 18, 2023 4:26 pmWhat are you doing about it besides bitching about it on a message board? Are you donating to the collectives more now to get a better PG in your eyes? To the athletic department?Beachcat97 wrote: Sat Mar 18, 2023 3:35 pmI agree. People who think Kriisa is not a good PG or that Nico was anything short of spectacular at AZ really don't know what they're talking about. If we had just let Kriisa shoot more, we'd probably have beaten Princeton by a LOT. And man, if the tourney weren't cancelled in 2020, Nico probably would've averaged like 25 and 10 for the tourney, en route to MOP.
Ditto. The numbers in the Princeton game highlights this. The guards neededBeachcat97 wrote: Sat Mar 18, 2023 1:43 pmAn early lesson of this tourney: teams reliant on big men are vulnerable af. Last season's AZ team was always better than this year's because, ffs, we had two NBA guards on the team. Say what you want about Krrisa and Ramey and Larsson, but they never made up for what we lost in Mathurin in Terry. It's essential to have a couple guards who can create shots, draw fouls, score in traffic and take care of the ball. This season's guards always relied too much on 3 point shooting.Dave wrote: Sat Mar 18, 2023 1:38 pm Olson stayed with Mustafa too long. Miller stayed with Parker too long.
What are your guys thoughts on our two big lineup going forward? Bigs struggling defensively because of ISO ball and being force to guard the perimeter. Bigs struggling offensively because of double teams and physical pack the paint strategies.
I love Ballo and Tubelis. They're both very good college players. They're not the problem. The problem is our backcourt, imo.
It sucks Kerr has been hurt for the tournament every yearSiempre Verde wrote: Sun Mar 19, 2023 5:44 pm I know KK is not the best PG in the world, but no matter how well or unwell he was playing I admired his fire. I really believe the Pac 12 refs can shoulder a lot of the blame for this. I’m not saying he should always be chirping, but our refs smacked him on the nose so often with a newspaper that he appeared to lose his intensity. In the Princeton game, the commentators were commending the Tiger player who talked constantly and that you need one of those kind of guys on your team. I’m not saying that’s the reason we sucked and lost that game, but I want the “big balls” Kerr back now and again next year.
Merkin wrote: Fri Mar 17, 2023 1:19 pmCardiacCats97 wrote: Fri Mar 17, 2023 1:01 pm Last year he had to play. This year we had Boswell, so there’s really no excuse.
That was really a head scratcher having Boswell on the bench the last 5 minutes, especially with Ramey and Henderson also having a bad game.
And like has been said constantly, having 7 rotation players leads to a lot of minutes and tired legs, along with propensity for injuries.
Those players have been developing all season - and, typically, the biggest gain is from frosh to soph year - I'm confident they all have specific training plans and goals for the off-season!HiCat wrote: Mon Mar 20, 2023 6:06 amMerkin wrote: Fri Mar 17, 2023 1:19 pmCardiacCats97 wrote: Fri Mar 17, 2023 1:01 pm Last year he had to play. This year we had Boswell, so there’s really no excuse.
That was really a head scratcher having Boswell on the bench the last 5 minutes, especially with Ramey and Henderson also having a bad game.
And like has been said constantly, having 7 rotation players leads to a lot of minutes and tired legs, along with propensity for injuries.
Yes, 7 man rotation might not be enough for dancing in March. With injuries to 2 starters the options were
limited. Not sure, but I wonder if Coach is rethinking this?
Why are you still posting? Didn't you say you were going to be busy driving a school bus down to Florida or something?PHXCATS wrote: Tue Mar 21, 2023 11:57 pm Mike Luke needs to shut up. Kerr is good and Luke is awful and an embarrassment to Arizona
Get your bullshit out of here. You are a disgrace to Arizona Luke.
Kerr and Boswell should both start next year and Arizona will be damn good if that is the case