UCLA Basketball in trouble!

Irish27 · Post by **Irish27** » Mon Apr 27, 2015 7:45 pm

I thought Brown was going to UCLA. Watch him end up at Cal.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Mon Apr 27, 2015 8:17 pm

Chicat wrote:
gumby wrote:
Were those both possibilities?
If there was a time machine that Dan Guerrero could jump in and make the right hire to lead that program . . . maybe.

Mississippi State just signed a guy who has a good track record of success on the West Coast. You have to think they could pry him away from Starkville.

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Mon Apr 27, 2015 9:20 pm

It's taken a little longer than I expected, but most elite recruits are finally realizing that UCLA is a terrible place to play college basketball, especially if you have no interest in earning a degree.

dirtbags · Post by **dirtbags** » Tue Apr 28, 2015 3:45 pm

wtf ucla?

is alfraud still complaining about how fatigued and annoyed he is with recruiting?

dirtbags · Post by **dirtbags** » Tue Apr 28, 2015 3:48 pm

is alfraud still complaining about how fatigued and annoyed he is with recruiting?

err, make that fatigued and irritated...

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Tue Apr 28, 2015 4:02 pm

Reality and despair are setting in for UCLA fans, as they should.

It's just not an attractive program.

Good timing for Cal to be on the rise.

MrBug708 · Post by **MrBug708** » Tue Apr 28, 2015 6:27 pm

Steve Alford gave the team defensive player award to Isaac Hamilton.

Coop Cat · Post by **Coop Cat** » Mon Jun 08, 2015 10:37 am

Yikes

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Mon Jun 08, 2015 10:57 am

Coop Cat wrote:Yikes

It's not a man's schedule if they go 0-4 in those games.

Heh.

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Mon Jun 08, 2015 11:11 am

It's a man's schedule no matter what. Whether it's a losing man's or a winning man's remains to be seen.

Unfortunately for the PAC, much of its OOC rep will be determined by Bryce Alford.

SCCats · Post by **SCCats** » Mon Jun 08, 2015 1:54 pm

Steve going through round 2 of "I dare you to fire me."

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Mon Jun 08, 2015 2:37 pm

Chicat wrote:It's a man's schedule no matter what. Whether it's a losing man's or a winning man's remains to be seen.

Unfortunately for the PAC, much of its OOC rep will be determined by Bryce Alford.

F*** OOC rep. We just need to win games and the rest will take care of itself. Our conference RPI will be higher next season, so it's a wash. If we're Pac champs again, we'll be positioned well for March.

Looking forward to winning (at least) two more games vs. UCLA next season.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Mon Jun 08, 2015 2:43 pm

Never thought I would see the day where Duke would play a harder OOC schedule than Arizona. Besides UA playing no games east of Tucson.

MrBug708 · Post by **MrBug708** » Sun Jun 28, 2015 11:32 pm

Alford managed to land Jalen Hill, 5* C from Corona

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Mon Jun 29, 2015 11:15 am

MrBug708 wrote:Alford managed to land Jalen Hill, 5* C from Corona

Not a 5 star. But nice try, loser.

The only Bruin, current or future, who is even remotely "Arizona good" is probably Welsh.

ASUHATER! · Post by **ASUHATER!** » Mon Jun 29, 2015 11:22 am

Hill is a 4 star pf, not a 5 star center. Still a good pickup for ucla.

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Mon Jun 29, 2015 11:26 am

Beachcat97 wrote:
MrBug708 wrote:Alford managed to land Jalen Hill, 5* C from Corona
Not a 5 star. But nice try, loser.

The only Bruin, current or future, who is even remotely "Arizona good" is probably Welsh.

Scout 5
Rivals 4

And any way you slice it, he's a really good player and Arizona was definitely interested. Sorry to break that news to you BC.

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Mon Jun 29, 2015 11:28 am

Chicat wrote:
Beachcat97 wrote:
MrBug708 wrote:Alford managed to land Jalen Hill, 5* C from Corona
Not a 5 star. But nice try, loser.

The only Bruin, current or future, who is even remotely "Arizona good" is probably Welsh.
Scout 5
Rivals 4

And any way you slice it, he's a really good player and Arizona was definitely interested. Sorry to break that news to you BC.

If he's ever on a team that beats Arizona, we can revisit this.

If Miller and Alford go after the same player, all other things being equal (ie: time invested in the recruit, etc.), that player is picking Arizona. It's been this way for a while.

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Mon Jun 29, 2015 11:35 am

Beachcat97 wrote:
Chicat wrote:
Beachcat97 wrote:
MrBug708 wrote:Alford managed to land Jalen Hill, 5* C from Corona
Not a 5 star. But nice try, loser.

The only Bruin, current or future, who is even remotely "Arizona good" is probably Welsh.
Scout 5
Rivals 4

And any way you slice it, he's a really good player and Arizona was definitely interested. Sorry to break that news to you BC.
If he's ever on a team that beats Arizona, we can revisit this.

If Miller and Alford go after the same player, all other things being equal (ie: time invested in the recruit, etc.), that player is picking Arizona. It's been this way for a while.

Your qualifier, "all other things being equal" is a non-starter. Things are never equal. There are pros and cons for all players considering both schools and how those line up usually determines where they go.

Sean Miller was recruiting Jalen Hill. Steve Alford got his commitment. It's ok BC, it happens. I'm sure Sean and the other coaches are on to the next target, and don't have this silly notion in their minds that they can get any recruit in California and the southwest they want just by snapping their fingers like you seem to. Recruiting is hard work. Kudos to Alford for bagging a big time recruit.

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Mon Jun 29, 2015 11:43 am

Chicat wrote:
Beachcat97 wrote:
Chicat wrote:
Beachcat97 wrote:
MrBug708 wrote:Alford managed to land Jalen Hill, 5* C from Corona
Not a 5 star. But nice try, loser.

The only Bruin, current or future, who is even remotely "Arizona good" is probably Welsh.
Scout 5
Rivals 4

And any way you slice it, he's a really good player and Arizona was definitely interested. Sorry to break that news to you BC.
If he's ever on a team that beats Arizona, we can revisit this.

If Miller and Alford go after the same player, all other things being equal (ie: time invested in the recruit, etc.), that player is picking Arizona. It's been this way for a while.
Your qualifier, "all other things being equal" is a non-starter. Things are never equal. There are pros and cons for all players considering both schools and how those line up usually determines where they go.

Sean Miller was recruiting Jalen Hill. Steve Alford got his commitment. It's ok BC, it happens. I'm sure Sean and the other coaches are on to the next target, and don't have this silly notion in their minds that they can get any recruit in California and the southwest they want just by snapping their fingers like you seem to. Recruiting is hard work. Kudos to Alford for bagging a big time recruit.

I just don't think UCLA/Aflord has the same appeal these days as Arizona/Miller, so if a guy picks UCLA, I can only think it's because the former was showing up to more events, making more calls, etc. And if Miller and his staff were putting in less time with Hill, then he wasn't as high a priority as guys like Jackson and Hands, both of whom I expect to end up at AZ.

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Mon Jun 29, 2015 11:48 am

Beachcat97 wrote:I just don't think UCLA/Aflord has the same appeal these days as Arizona/Miller, so if a guy picks UCLA, I can only think it's because the former was showing up to more events, making more calls, etc. And if Miller and his staff were putting in less time with Hill, then he wasn't as high a priority as guys like Jackson and Hands, both of whom I expect to end up at AZ.

That is some impressive logic.

Sean Miller simply couldn't have been putting in the same amount of effort into Hill because Alford got the commitment and since he obviously wasn't putting in the effort Hill wasn't a high priority. Do I have that right? But you have no facts to base this on except that Hill chose UCLA. Right?

Dude, we recently lost a highly ranked recruit to Cal of all places. A program with about 1/100th the prestige and history of UCLA. Not every recruiting battle is going to be won by Sean Miller simply because you think he's some sort of god on the recruiting trail.

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Mon Jun 29, 2015 12:03 pm

Chicat wrote:
Beachcat97 wrote:I just don't think UCLA/Aflord has the same appeal these days as Arizona/Miller, so if a guy picks UCLA, I can only think it's because the former was showing up to more events, making more calls, etc. And if Miller and his staff were putting in less time with Hill, then he wasn't as high a priority as guys like Jackson and Hands, both of whom I expect to end up at AZ.
That is some impressive logic.

Sean Miller simply couldn't have been putting in the same amount of effort into Hill because Alford got the commitment and since he obviously wasn't putting in the effort Hill wasn't a high priority. Do I have that right? But you have no facts to base this on except that Hill chose UCLA. Right?

Dude, we recently lost a highly ranked recruit to Cal of all places. A program with about 1/100th the prestige and history of UCLA. Not every recruiting battle is going to be won by Sean Miller simply because you think he's some sort of god on the recruiting trail.

That's true. Miller's recruiting success is greatly overstated. AG, Stanley, Rondae, Zeus, Trier, Smith, Simon, Jerrett, Ashley, NJ...these were aberrations.

Miller is most certainly not a god on the recruiting trail.

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Mon Jun 29, 2015 12:10 pm

Beachcat97 wrote:
Chicat wrote:
Beachcat97 wrote:I just don't think UCLA/Aflord has the same appeal these days as Arizona/Miller, so if a guy picks UCLA, I can only think it's because the former was showing up to more events, making more calls, etc. And if Miller and his staff were putting in less time with Hill, then he wasn't as high a priority as guys like Jackson and Hands, both of whom I expect to end up at AZ.
That is some impressive logic.

Sean Miller simply couldn't have been putting in the same amount of effort into Hill because Alford got the commitment and since he obviously wasn't putting in the effort Hill wasn't a high priority. Do I have that right? But you have no facts to base this on except that Hill chose UCLA. Right?

Dude, we recently lost a highly ranked recruit to Cal of all places. A program with about 1/100th the prestige and history of UCLA. Not every recruiting battle is going to be won by Sean Miller simply because you think he's some sort of god on the recruiting trail.
That's true. Miller's recruiting success is greatly overstated. AG, Stanley, Rondae, Zeus, Trier, Smith, Simon, Jerrett, Ashley, NJ...these were aberrations.

Miller is most certainly not a god on the recruiting trail.

Do you live in a fantasy world where guys like Justise Winslow, Ivan Rabb, and Jalen Hill cease to exist as soon as they commit elsewhere?

No one is a god on the recruiting trail. Even Calipari loses recruits to other schools. Time to grow up and come to grips with that. Or don't, and live in a reality of your own creation where all Sean Miller has to do is make eye contact with a recruit and they swoon at his feet. If he picks them up, they are Arizona Good. If he steps over their inert body and keeps walking, then they're trash.

MrBug708 · Post by **MrBug708** » Mon Jun 29, 2015 12:25 pm

Beachcat97 wrote:
MrBug708 wrote:Alford managed to land Jalen Hill, 5* C from Corona
Not a 5 star. But nice try, loser.

The only Bruin, current or future, who is even remotely "Arizona good" is probably Welsh.

ASUHATER! wrote:Hill is a 4 star pf, not a 5 star center. Still a good pickup for ucla.

http://www.scout.com/college/basketball ... terest=Low

ASUHATER! · Post by **ASUHATER!** » Mon Jun 29, 2015 12:34 pm

http://247sports.com/Player/Jalen-Hill-77042

MrBug708 · Post by **MrBug708** » Mon Jun 29, 2015 12:52 pm

ASUHATER! wrote:http://247sports.com/Player/Jalen-Hill-77042

You said he wasn't a 5 star, which was obviously wrong. I know his rankings, but I've been using BRO since forever and the lead west coast analyst for scout is basically why this board exists, so I used scout.

Stick to following Machina around instead of trying to policing everyone. Acting like RC97 doesn't help your cause

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Mon Jun 29, 2015 12:53 pm

Chicat wrote:
Beachcat97 wrote:
Chicat wrote:
Beachcat97 wrote:I just don't think UCLA/Aflord has the same appeal these days as Arizona/Miller, so if a guy picks UCLA, I can only think it's because the former was showing up to more events, making more calls, etc. And if Miller and his staff were putting in less time with Hill, then he wasn't as high a priority as guys like Jackson and Hands, both of whom I expect to end up at AZ.
That is some impressive logic.

Sean Miller simply couldn't have been putting in the same amount of effort into Hill because Alford got the commitment and since he obviously wasn't putting in the effort Hill wasn't a high priority. Do I have that right? But you have no facts to base this on except that Hill chose UCLA. Right?

Dude, we recently lost a highly ranked recruit to Cal of all places. A program with about 1/100th the prestige and history of UCLA. Not every recruiting battle is going to be won by Sean Miller simply because you think he's some sort of god on the recruiting trail.
That's true. Miller's recruiting success is greatly overstated. AG, Stanley, Rondae, Zeus, Trier, Smith, Simon, Jerrett, Ashley, NJ...these were aberrations.

Miller is most certainly not a god on the recruiting trail.
Do you live in a fantasy world where guys like Justise Winslow, Ivan Rabb, and Jalen Hill cease to exist as soon as they commit elsewhere?

No one is a god on the recruiting trail. Even Calipari loses recruits to other schools. Time to grow up and come to grips with that. Or don't, and live in a reality of your own creation where all Sean Miller has to do is make eye contact with a recruit and they swoon at his feet. If he picks them up, they are Arizona Good. If he steps over their inert body and keeps walking, then they're trash.

Chi, Chi, Chi...all I'm saying is that Miller tends to not whiff on guys he's making high priorities, Rabb being the only real exception in the last several years. And with Rabb, it was a situation where the guy wanted to play close to home, so I don't consider it a slight against Miller/AZ.

Every year, as you know, there are *several* guys Miller's staff is tracking and recruiting. We can't spend the same amount of time and resources on *every* guy, so there's a prioritization that emerges, either intentionally or unintentionally. Given the astonishing (and yes, "godlike") recruiting success that Miller has had recently, I tend to think that we are *getting* the guys who are top priorities, again Rabb being the only major exception. So if Hill committed this early, I have to think he wasn't prioritized as highly as others in the '17 class.

But I do respect your opinion.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Mon Jun 29, 2015 12:57 pm

Nothing wrong in playing closer to home. Pretty long horrible drive to the games though from Corona to Westwood.

His stats seem a little underwhelming though: averaging 6.5 points per game, 5.8 rebounds per game and 1.3 blocks per game.

but he is only 15, so who knows how much he is going to blow up.

MrBug708 · Post by **MrBug708** » Mon Jun 29, 2015 1:00 pm

Nah, no traffic in LA

ASUHATER! · Post by **ASUHATER!** » Mon Jun 29, 2015 1:00 pm

MrBug708 wrote:
ASUHATER! wrote:http://247sports.com/Player/Jalen-Hill-77042
You said he wasn't a 5 star, which was obviously wrong. I know his rankings, but I've been using BRO since forever and the lead west coast analyst for scout is basically why this board exists, so I used scout.

Stick to following Machina around instead of trying to policing everyone. Acting like RC97 doesn't help your cause

247 sports averages all recruiting service rankings and ratings. 4 stars. That is the average accepted rating. Scout is the outlier. So no, I wasn't wrong at all.

MrBug708 · Post by **MrBug708** » Mon Jun 29, 2015 1:27 pm

ASUHATER! wrote:
MrBug708 wrote:
ASUHATER! wrote:http://247sports.com/Player/Jalen-Hill-77042
You said he wasn't a 5 star, which was obviously wrong. I know his rankings, but I've been using BRO since forever and the lead west coast analyst for scout is basically why this board exists, so I used scout.

Stick to following Machina around instead of trying to policing everyone. Acting like RC97 doesn't help your cause
247 sports averages all recruiting service rankings and ratings. 4 stars. That is the average accepted rating. Scout is the outlier. So no, I wasn't wrong at all.

lol

Never change

97cats · Post by **97cats** » Mon Jun 29, 2015 1:35 pm

it just never ends

ASUHATER! · Post by **ASUHATER!** » Mon Jun 29, 2015 1:50 pm

MrBug708 wrote:
ASUHATER! wrote:
MrBug708 wrote:
ASUHATER! wrote:http://247sports.com/Player/Jalen-Hill-77042
You said he wasn't a 5 star, which was obviously wrong. I know his rankings, but I've been using BRO since forever and the lead west coast analyst for scout is basically why this board exists, so I used scout.

Stick to following Machina around instead of trying to policing everyone. Acting like RC97 doesn't help your cause
247 sports averages all recruiting service rankings and ratings. 4 stars. That is the average accepted rating. Scout is the outlier. So no, I wasn't wrong at all.
lol

Never change

Literally all I did was post a link to 247. If you disagree with their methods and only want to use scout, then so be it. Take your whining to 247 sports. I just posted a link that contradicts your link because it takes into account all information..not just some. Shrug

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Mon Jun 29, 2015 3:51 pm

97cats wrote:it just never ends

That Miller is a witch on the recruiting trail?

MrBug708 · Post by **MrBug708** » Fri Jul 03, 2015 7:45 am

97cats wrote:it just never ends

Does ucla land Cody Riley and Jaylen Hands?

enfuego · Post by **enfuego** » Fri Jul 03, 2015 2:00 pm

It's fun to watch UA and UCLA fans argue over KU's scraps

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Fri Jul 03, 2015 2:10 pm

enfuego wrote:It's fun to watch UA and UCLA fans argue over KU's scraps

It's fun to watch you puff out your chest about your once proud program and hang recruiting championship banners in your own mind.

ASUHATER! · Post by **ASUHATER!** » Fri Jul 03, 2015 3:24 pm

enfuego wrote:It's fun to watch UA and UCLA fans argue over KU's scraps

This post makes no sense at all. It's like he doesn't realize Arizona has had 5 straight top 5 classes. We sure do only get recruiting scraps alright!

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Fri Jul 03, 2015 3:49 pm

Can hardly remember the last recruiting battle we lost to asschaps?

enfuego · Post by **enfuego** » Fri Jul 03, 2015 4:13 pm

azcat49 wrote:Can hardly remember the last recruiting battle we lost to asschaps?

Carlton Bragg.

Looks like Rivals moved Lonzo Ball up to #5 in the 2016 class. Looks like Alford is killing it when it comes to PAC 16 recruiting.

3goggles · Post by **3goggles** » Fri Jul 03, 2015 8:25 pm

enfuego wrote:
azcat49 wrote:Can hardly remember the last recruiting battle we lost to asschaps?
Carlton Bragg.

Looks like Rivals moved Lonzo Ball up to #5 in the 2016 class. Looks like Alford is killing it when it comes to PAC 16 recruiting.

Try again on Bragg!

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Sat Jul 04, 2015 10:34 am

enfuego wrote:
azcat49 wrote:Can hardly remember the last recruiting battle we lost to asschaps?
Carlton Bragg.

Looks like Rivals moved Lonzo Ball up to #5 in the 2016 class. Looks like Alford is killing it when it comes to PAC 16 recruiting.

Be sure to let us know when Alford has a single recruiting class ranked ahead of one of Miller's. Hasn't happened yet, and won't.

dirtbags · Post by **dirtbags** » Sat Jul 04, 2015 11:42 am

so sad to see ku's inferiority complex with ucla rear its head. as if enfuego's constant hang-wringing over UofA wasn't bad enough...

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Sat Jul 04, 2015 12:22 pm

dirtbags wrote:so sad to see ku's inferiority complex with ucla rear its head. as if enfuego's constant hang-wringing over UofA wasn't bad enough...

KU is in no way inferior to UCLA, but I get your point.

enfuego · Post by **enfuego** » Sat Jul 04, 2015 3:45 pm

Beachcat97 wrote:
enfuego wrote:
azcat49 wrote:Can hardly remember the last recruiting battle we lost to asschaps?
Carlton Bragg.

Looks like Rivals moved Lonzo Ball up to #5 in the 2016 class. Looks like Alford is killing it when it comes to PAC 16 recruiting.
Be sure to let us know when Alford has a single recruiting class ranked ahead of one of Miller's. Hasn't happened yet, and won't.

He's in the lead for 2016.

3goggles · Post by **3goggles** » Sat Jul 04, 2015 6:38 pm

enfuego wrote:
Beachcat97 wrote:
enfuego wrote:
azcat49 wrote:Can hardly remember the last recruiting battle we lost to asschaps?
Carlton Bragg.

Looks like Rivals moved Lonzo Ball up to #5 in the 2016 class. Looks like Alford is killing it when it comes to PAC 16 recruiting.
Be sure to let us know when Alford has a single recruiting class ranked ahead of one of Miller's. Hasn't happened yet, and won't.
He's in the lead for 2016.

If we only land Jackson, Leaf it's a better class

MrBug708 · Post by **MrBug708** » Fri Jul 17, 2015 3:32 pm

http://sportsworld.nbcsports.com/steve- ... ags%20=srm[sport%20%E2%80%93%20ncaab%2Ccontent%20-%20text-based]

Bryce is coming for you guys. Top 50 player in all of college

ASUHATER! · Post by **ASUHATER!** » Fri Jul 17, 2015 3:41 pm

...Alford?

SCCats · Post by **SCCats** » Fri Jul 17, 2015 3:42 pm

MrBug708 wrote:http://sportsworld.nbcsports.com/steve- ... ags%20=srm[sport%20%E2%80%93%20ncaab%2Ccontent%20-%20text-based]

Bryce is coming for you guys. Top 50 player in all of college

Lonzo Ball better watch out!

MrBug708 · Post by **MrBug708** » Fri Jul 17, 2015 3:47 pm

ASUHATER! wrote:...Alford?

Yessir

The author is in a twitter war for a few people

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