Bear Down Wildcats

AZCatGirl wrote: Thu Jun 30, 2022 2:32 pm enfuego will say he loves this but is secretly scared shitless.

Longhorned wrote: Thu Jun 30, 2022 3:44 pm Could Texas be headed for the Big 10, too?

azgreg wrote: Thu Jun 30, 2022 5:46 pm

ASUHATER! wrote: Thu Jun 30, 2022 7:50 pm Since the news now that Oregon and Washington and the Bay area schools are staying...do we stay and try to add some big 12 teams or what? Or do we go to the big 12?

Merkin wrote: Thu Jun 30, 2022 7:53 pm

ASUHATER! wrote: Thu Jun 30, 2022 7:50 pm Since the news now that Oregon and Washington and the Bay area schools are staying...do we stay and try to add some big 12 teams or what? Or do we go to the big 12?

Get out of the PAC, it's been a disaster for quite some time. Don't see anything coming down the pipe to fix that.

Merkin wrote: Thu Jun 30, 2022 7:53 pm

ASUHATER! wrote: Thu Jun 30, 2022 7:50 pm Since the news now that Oregon and Washington and the Bay area schools are staying...do we stay and try to add some big 12 teams or what? Or do we go to the big 12?

Get out of the PAC, it's been a disaster for quite some time. Don't see anything coming down the pipe to fix that.

pc in NM wrote: Sat Jul 02, 2022 8:14 am

Merkin wrote: Thu Jun 30, 2022 7:53 pm

ASUHATER! wrote: Thu Jun 30, 2022 7:50 pm Since the news now that Oregon and Washington and the Bay area schools are staying...do we stay and try to add some big 12 teams or what? Or do we go to the big 12?

Get out of the PAC, it's been a disaster for quite some time. Don't see anything coming down the pipe to fix that.

Don't be fooled! There is not one single Pac-10 remaining school that would not accept an invitation to join either the SEC or the Big-10.

Period!

The Pac-12 media pact expires in 2024. All bets are off after that!! (And, IMNSHO, there are no adds to the PAC that would significantly enhance the prospects for Pac media revenues.

Arizona is on a slippery slope to second tier status....

Longhorned wrote: Sat Jul 02, 2022 9:08 am
True, but I'm still trying to wrap my brain around what that means. In recent years, some in the press have warned that Arizona Athletics might be starting look more like UNM than USC. But with USC joining the Rich Sixteen, what happens when the vast, vast majority of schools is on the outside of the Big 10 and SEC? Is Villanova Basketball, let alone Kansas Basketball (not to mention Duke) going to become second tier to USC Basketball as the beneficiary of inconceivable media revenue? Or is this really more about solidifying of what we already knew to be the case anyway? Namely, that Arizona football really is entirely second tier already.

Catintheheat wrote: Sat Jul 02, 2022 9:39 am

Longhorned wrote: Sat Jul 02, 2022 9:08 am
True, but I'm still trying to wrap my brain around what that means. In recent years, some in the press have warned that Arizona Athletics might be starting look more like UNM than USC. But with USC joining the Rich Sixteen, what happens when the vast, vast majority of schools is on the outside of the Big 10 and SEC? Is Villanova Basketball, let alone Kansas Basketball (not to mention Duke) going to become second tier to USC Basketball as the beneficiary of inconceivable media revenue? Or is this really more about solidifying of what we already knew to be the case anyway? Namely, that Arizona football really is entirely second tier already.

This is close to my take. Maybe the basketball schools should consider starting their own conference. All these schools don't have 1st tier football programs.

Arizona
Duke
North Carolina
Kentucky
Kansas
Villanova
Connecticut
Syracuse
Louisville
Virginia
Wake Forest

Maybe Indiana. They haven't done much recently, but have a storied history. Plus, their football sucks.

I'm sure there are others I haven't thought of.

Catintheheat wrote: Sat Jul 02, 2022 9:39 am
This is close to my take. Maybe the basketball schools should consider starting their own conference. All these schools don't have 1st tier football programs.

Arizona
Duke
North Carolina
Kentucky
Kansas
Villanova
Connecticut
Syracuse
Louisville
Virginia
Wake Forest

Maybe Indiana. They haven't done much recently, but have a storied history. Plus, their football sucks.

I'm sure there are others I haven't thought of.

AZCatGirl wrote: Thu Jun 30, 2022 2:32 pm enfuego will say he loves this but is secretly scared shitless.

enfuego wrote: Sun Jul 03, 2022 9:46 am

AZCatGirl wrote: Thu Jun 30, 2022 2:32 pm enfuego will say he loves this but is secretly scared shitless.

Nah. We'll be in the BIG.

AZCatGirl wrote: Thu Jun 30, 2022 2:32 pm enfuego will say he loves this but is secretly scared shitless.

U.P. Zona Fan wrote: Sun Jun 04, 2023 6:11 pm So are we going to the big 12 with Colorado?
https://www.si.com/college/cincinnati/n ... nalization

TheCat wrote: Wed Jul 26, 2023 4:45 pm I think the Big 12 sucks and don't want to go there. Geographically it would be hard on student athletes. Everyone is chasing the dollars and I understand that but it just sucks.

pc in NM wrote: Thu Jul 27, 2023 8:05 am

TheCat wrote: Wed Jul 26, 2023 4:45 pm I think the Big 12 sucks and don't want to go there. Geographically it would be hard on student athletes. Everyone is chasing the dollars and I understand that but it just sucks.

In addition, I do not want my Alma mater affiliated with Brigham Young University (or TCU, for that matter) in any formal way!

$$$$ destroys everything good - it's getting harder to remain a college sports fan...

EastCoastCat wrote: Thu Jul 27, 2023 9:54 am

pc in NM wrote: Thu Jul 27, 2023 8:05 am

TheCat wrote: Wed Jul 26, 2023 4:45 pm I think the Big 12 sucks and don't want to go there. Geographically it would be hard on student athletes. Everyone is chasing the dollars and I understand that but it just sucks.

In addition, I do not want my Alma mater affiliated with Brigham Young University (or TCU, for that matter) in any formal way!

$$$$ destroys everything good - it's getting harder to remain a college sports fan...

This is a dumb take imo. Would you feel the same way if we played in a league with Notre Dame?

You need to separate church and state...err sports if it benefits the UofA which a move to the Big 12 would do once the PAC implodes, which is only a matter of time.

• Therefore the desire to never be affiliated with Brigham Young University.

• And, I'll acknowledge that my mention of TCU could not be as strongly justified, but I threw it in just because I don't want to be in the Big-12.

pc in NM wrote: Thu Jul 27, 2023 10:39 am
As for church/state, I strongly affirm both "freedom OF religion", AND "freedom FROM religion". I'm totally intolerant of racism, too, BTW.

• Therefore the desire to never be affiliated with Brigham Young University.

• And, I'll acknowledge that my mention of TCU could not be as strongly justified, but I threw it in just because I don't want to be in the Big-12.

pc in NM wrote: Thu Jul 27, 2023 10:39 am

EastCoastCat wrote: Thu Jul 27, 2023 9:54 am

pc in NM wrote: Thu Jul 27, 2023 8:05 am

TheCat wrote: Wed Jul 26, 2023 4:45 pm I think the Big 12 sucks and don't want to go there. Geographically it would be hard on student athletes. Everyone is chasing the dollars and I understand that but it just sucks.

In addition, I do not want my Alma mater affiliated with Brigham Young University (or TCU, for that matter) in any formal way!

$$$$ destroys everything good - it's getting harder to remain a college sports fan...

This is a dumb take imo. Would you feel the same way if we played in a league with Notre Dame?

You need to separate church and state...err sports if it benefits the UofA which a move to the Big 12 would do once the PAC implodes, which is only a matter of time.

"Dumb"??? I'm comfortable with my values, and willing to discuss them with anyone - except someone who thinks that values can be "smart" or "Dumb". I do expect a university-based discussion group to recognize the legitimate distinction between facts and values—in other words, between descriptions of the world and normative judgments about it.

As for church/state, I strongly affirm both "freedom OF religion", AND "freedom FROM religion". I'm totally intolerant of racism, too, BTW.

• Therefore the desire to never be affiliated with Brigham Young University.

• And, I'll acknowledge that my mention of TCU could not be as strongly justified, but I threw it in just because I don't want to be in the Big-12.

CatsbyAZ wrote: Thu Jul 27, 2023 4:16 pm

pc in NM wrote: Thu Jul 27, 2023 10:39 am
As for church/state, I strongly affirm both "freedom OF religion", AND "freedom FROM religion". I'm totally intolerant of racism, too, BTW.

• Therefore the desire to never be affiliated with Brigham Young University.

• And, I'll acknowledge that my mention of TCU could not be as strongly justified, but I threw it in just because I don't want to be in the Big-12.

TCU is not a Christian school anymore. They've minimized their origins under the Disciples of Christ denomination as much as they can.

As for BYU, does sharing a conference with them really count as any sort of personal affiliation? A few years ago I had neighbors who would raise a BYU flag. Their flag's late afternoon shadow would creep into my front yard. That affiliated me with BYU more than Arizona sharing a conference with BYU, and all in all it did no harm.

BYU hit by fresh allegations of racist abuse from crowd at athletic event


Five soccer players say they were subjected to N-word chants

Claims come a month after allegations about volleyball game

Fresh allegations of racist slurs being used at a BYU athletic event have emerged, a month after similar claims involving the Duke volleyball team.

Five women’s soccer players from a visiting team told the Guardian they heard the N-word being directed at them and their teammates from the crowd during a game at BYU in 2021. Players had knelt for the national anthem to protest racial and social injustice when they say they heard shouts from the crowd.

“I just remember that there was like a consistent chant of ‘stand up, N-words’ during the anthem and right after,” one of the players told the Guardian. “And when brought to the attention of the BYU coaching staff there was no real response or sense of, like, alarm.”

She added: “I felt disappointed but not surprised. Backlash for kneeling was not new for our group but to hear that in person was shocking. I think both the fans and coaching staff knew we wouldn’t cancel the game after the incident, which once again shows this could be part of a bigger cultural issue within BYU as an institution.”

Four of her teammates independently confirmed to the Guardian that they also heard the chants.

pc in NM wrote: Thu Jul 27, 2023 8:05 am

TheCat wrote: Wed Jul 26, 2023 4:45 pm I think the Big 12 sucks and don't want to go there. Geographically it would be hard on student athletes. Everyone is chasing the dollars and I understand that but it just sucks.

In addition, I do not want my Alma mater affiliated with Brigham Young University (or TCU, for that matter) in any formal way!

$$$$ destroys everything good - it's getting harder to remain a college sports fan...

EastCoastCat wrote: Thu Jul 27, 2023 5:11 pm

pc in NM wrote: Thu Jul 27, 2023 10:39 am

EastCoastCat wrote: Thu Jul 27, 2023 9:54 am

pc in NM wrote: Thu Jul 27, 2023 8:05 am

TheCat wrote: Wed Jul 26, 2023 4:45 pm I think the Big 12 sucks and don't want to go there. Geographically it would be hard on student athletes. Everyone is chasing the dollars and I understand that but it just sucks.

In addition, I do not want my Alma mater affiliated with Brigham Young University (or TCU, for that matter) in any formal way!

$$$$ destroys everything good - it's getting harder to remain a college sports fan...

This is a dumb take imo. Would you feel the same way if we played in a league with Notre Dame?

You need to separate church and state...err sports if it benefits the UofA which a move to the Big 12 would do once the PAC implodes, which is only a matter of time.

"Dumb"??? I'm comfortable with my values, and willing to discuss them with anyone - except someone who thinks that values can be "smart" or "Dumb". I do expect a university-based discussion group to recognize the legitimate distinction between facts and values—in other words, between descriptions of the world and normative judgments about it.

As for church/state, I strongly affirm both "freedom OF religion", AND "freedom FROM religion". I'm totally intolerant of racism, too, BTW.

• Therefore the desire to never be affiliated with Brigham Young University.

• And, I'll acknowledge that my mention of TCU could not be as strongly justified, but I threw it in just because I don't want to be in the Big-12.

Didn’t mean to ruffle your feathers but I should have known with a username “PC”. I apologize if you took that as attacking your values, that was not my intention.

And I will pass on your diatribe around “facts”, “descriptions of the world” and “normative judgments”. Feels better suited for the lower boards and frankly I have no idea what you are talking about other than you have some sort of religion phobia and it appears you’d rather Arizona be stuck in PAC Siberia than upgrade to a better conference for the sole reason they have 1 Mormon school and another that only has Christian in their name.

That to me is dumb but whatever makes you feel better or morally superior or however you want to reason it.

splitsecond wrote: Fri Jul 28, 2023 12:20 pm

pc in NM wrote: Thu Jul 27, 2023 8:05 am

TheCat wrote: Wed Jul 26, 2023 4:45 pm I think the Big 12 sucks and don't want to go there. Geographically it would be hard on student athletes. Everyone is chasing the dollars and I understand that but it just sucks.

In addition, I do not want my Alma mater affiliated with Brigham Young University (or TCU, for that matter) in any formal way!

$$$$ destroys everything good - it's getting harder to remain a college sports fan...

Ok tough guy athiest. Nice try with a virtue signal, now you just look the typical arrogant prick who thinks they don’t need to be exposed to anyone else’s beliefs. Really an absolutely pathetic reason and pathetic post.

News flash: if they meet the educational requirements, religious institutions get to exist and be part of athletic conferences. Get the hell over it.

Let’s all joint he WAC so New Mexico atheist doesn’t have to watch someone play a sport who has beliefs different than he does. Who cares about the success of the programs and students!

GlobalCat wrote: Fri Jul 28, 2023 5:02 pm
Many other PAC-12 (particularly the academic) schools will not affiliate due to concerns around treatment of women, minorities, and the LGBTQ communities, the strictness and inconsistent application of their code of conduct, partial aversion to scientific based research, and issues around censorship. You can have a fit about it, but that is the reality.