Bear Down Wildcats

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If I told you 5 years ago, today or basketball team would be interviewing a mid major assistant, Matt Brase, Damon Stoudamire and Josh Pastner for our opening would have given up on UA basketball at that point?

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Noooooooooo!!! https://twitter.com/WilburWildcat2/status/1382080810510012417 Lets throw out as many awful names as possible so that the hire we make looks better. Although I would argue Tad Boyle is overly qualified compared to some of the other candidates. I had definitely soured on Miller the pas...

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I think they should just hire Pastner. He can recruit and if he could get a solid assistant to help him, I think he would do fine. I'd take Damon with JET on staff over Pastner in a heartbeat. And I think Damon is a lousy hire. Would JET stay on staff with Damon? He from what I have seen is a bette...

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Gil clearly has the mindset of someone who has never coached and probably never listened to a coach since Lute.

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12 realistic guys I would take before Damon with minimal research:
Darian Devries
Wes Miller
Mark Pope
Shantay Legans
Bob Richey
Dennis Gates
Jay Pastenack
Lorenzo Romar
Kelvin Sampson
John Belien
Bryce Drew
Tommy Lloyd

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So here's how I've got it. Other than what would appear to be the starters, the rest is just grouped by position, not necessarily depth chart or how likely to get minutes. I will say I tend to have a bias toward established players rather than assuming unproven transfers or freshmen should be plugg...

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Batcho entered the portal, no major surprise here as this was expected even had we retained Miller.

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Is there really any point in even having a team until the sanctions are over. They could give us a 10 year post season ban. Who knows? I wouldn't stick around if I were a player good enough to transfer. With no players and no coach and no post-season what's the point? Just cancel basketball until t...

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I don't think he would ever be an assistant in college, nor should he be.

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It’s funny: the new coach’s first measuring stick is going to be how much of our current roster he’s able to keep. Isn't that always the case though? Maybe, but the circumstances at AZ are currently unusual. We’re not going to get our full recruiting mojo back until the scandal is truly behind us, ...

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If it's really true that Lloyd is already a done deal... why the fuck would we wait until everyone is gone to announce? I cannot comprehend anything that is going on. Then how could they explain the $200K we are spending on a search group. You can't understand it because your logical. "Search group...

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Beachcat97 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 1:55 pm Anyone have any strong feelings one way or the other on Mark Pope? Just trying to look beyond the group we're already aware of. How about Greg McDermott?

Both would be way ahead of the alumns we are interviewing.

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Beachcat97 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 11:02 am
TheCat wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 11:00 am I would hire Don McLean before Damon.....lol
I would hire Kevin O'Neill before Damon.

I would hire Mike Dunlap before Damon.

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I don't think Parrom or Kyryl ever enrolled in Xavier. Maybe I'm wrong. Following the coach that has been recruiting you to there new home is different than actively taking players that were established at Xavier. Anyway I don't remember if they were current players or not because I don't remember ...

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This better be a joke....not necessarily Llyod but if you did not have at a minimum a handshake agreement with someone before firing Miller you are the FN dumbest person alive. If we end up with Damon....you are the dumbest person alive.....or didn't do your due diligence. Anyone remember Damon str...

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So when do we ask if there is any chance he brings Chet Holmgren with him? Yes please. Unfortunately that seems really unlikely. I bet he can bring some role players from zaga over. Work the transfer market. Maybe he can get Fanbo Zeng. I'd love chet but I just don't see it. Their whole staff focus...

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Why are women teams allowed 15 scholarships? Is that a title IX thing?

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This thread is just so hilarious!!! For some years now, "some" people here have been saying how Mark Few is such a better coach than Miller. Now we have people saying that Lloyd is the one who has really been running the program, not Few, so we should just jump to hire him ASAP. Fkn mind boggling t...

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Beachcat97 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 9:08 am
I love Damon, but he is not the answer.

If Damon Stoudamire's name was Joe Stoudamire with his resume he would not even be considered for the GCU job. The only people that want Damon at Arizona are people who know nothing about basketball and other schools hoping we fail into obscurity.

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Lets be real, no one is turning down what could be the difference between at the absolute least $800K (assuming Tommy Lloyd is the highest paid assistant in CBB, which he is not) and $3M a year to sit around and wait for a coach for 10-15 years because they have a "dream home". Most likely Tommy is ...

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So when do we ask if there is any chance he brings Chet Holmgren with him? Yes please. Unfortunately that seems really unlikely. I bet he can bring some role players from zaga over. Work the transfer market. Maybe he can get Fanbo Zeng. I'd love chet but I just don't see it. Their whole staff focus...

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Beachcat97 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 5:04 pm
gronk4heisman wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 5:02 pm So when do we ask if there is any chance he brings Chet Holmgren with him?
I'd much rather have him convince Tubelis and Kriisa to stay.

Why not be greedy? I have heard rumors that he has already been in contact with some of the players so step 1 may already be underway.

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So when do we ask if there is any chance he brings Chet Holmgren with him?

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I'm gonna make a guess and say Lloyd isn't coming right now either... If I had just built a new house, was guaranteed the HC job is I stayed, had been entrenched in the community for years and was looking at an offer from a school with a LOT of NCAA baggage over its head and a Prez who doesn't give...

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Was listening to Jody Oehler this morning and he had Goodman on. Goodman saying he thinks it would be someone like Damon or Lloyd. After he got off Oehler gave his remarks and was spot on. Oehler wasn't sold on any of the guys Goodman recommended. At this point, I'd let Murphy just grind out next y...

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97cats wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 2:46 pm is Mark Few coming too?

Yes, and they are bringing Chet Holmgren. We're back baby!

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Super classy good bye letter, I wish Sean nothing but the best. I had a lot of disagreements with his style of play, but there is no denying he was a winner and the handling of his dismissal was unfitting of a great University parting with one of the winningest coaches in the history of the Pac 12.

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Most of us learned through mistakes in our teenage and college years (I know I did ten fold), Tiger did not have that luxury.

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First impact, KJ Simpson has been released from his schollie. Wasn't expected to contribute much if we were to return our core anyway, but this could be the start of the roster dismantling.

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I am good with that in every way, as long as the results are not the opposite.

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I would think JET and Jack are two guys Tommy Lloyd would be wise to do his best to keep on staff in some capacity even if he has some other plans for bench coaches. Honestly not sure how many of "his guys" he would even have since he has worked in the same role for 20 years and the guys there are d...

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BeardownZonaZona wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 10:30 am Been reading some Gonzaga boards today. Some of their posters are saying Lloyd agreed at 3 mill a year, for 7 years. Just having interviews with other guys to make it seem like a legitimate search. Looks like it's Lloyd

If true, is that enough to get Musselman?

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Tommy (or whoever the coach is) better hope more than half the team defects. Because if he keeps the core intact and then flops next year he will always be the guy that fucked up Miller’s next great team. The average idiot fan looks at us not being in the tournament for three years and thinks we ha...

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azcat49 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 10:16 am If the decision is a quick one (early next week), I don’t think anyone transfers yet. To many kids in the portal already. Look at the football kids

The guys we don't want to lose would have no problem finding a home even if there were 5000 people in the portal.

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I watched a lot of Arizona basketball down the stretch and their style of play is an absolute joy to watch. Aari was amazing and irreplaceable, but I would be amazed if this team with Shaina, Sam, Cate and Bendu returning and adding Koi, Vonleh and that Estonian PG is not a top 16 team. I think Stan...

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Not trying to jinx it, but I am absolutely amazed that we have not had anyone enter the transfer portal in the last 24 hours. Hopefully if it is Lloyd he is able to come in soon and get our core to buy in.

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I am all in on Tommy Lloyd at this point because what has happened has happened and I would absolutely hate a Damon or Pastner hire.

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Alieberman wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:22 pm We are about to go into the 2021 season with our head football and basketball coaches having a combined head coaching record of:

0-0

What a time to be alive!!!!!

Better than 71-77. Silver lining!

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The hell does that mean? Who's the likely hire? Since the Final Four is over it looks like Lloyd. I mean, it could be worse. We do live in a world where Josh Pastner exists. At least I know what kind of head coach Pastner is. So you'd rank Pastner ahead of Lloyd? Interesting. I would rank Pastner s...

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Then you want the Lloyd dude I guesss I think hiring someone with zero head coaching experience is the height of idiocy. We are not a stepping stone program and we should not be hiring someone with no record of success leading a college team. What’s your take on UNC hiring Hubert? Not asking me, bu...

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Not sure why Ayayi would transfer, but playing the sunny side fan, if we get Lloyd he may be able to keep out international heavy core together (Azoulas, Benn, Kerr, Koloko)

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So Arizona Football AND Basketball gets to be training wheels for coaches. Hell, let's just fire all our coaches and hire people with no head coaching experience, that's the winning formula! It's like some sick April Fools joke. Bob Rob had no experience as a President and look at him now! Dave had...

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Question, do you risk losing your whole team to wait until May 1st when Musselman's buyout goes down in hopes you can wow him to leave? Or do you settle (hard to call it settling when he appears to be choice #1 for dumb and dumber) for Lloyd now? Musselman is an upgrade at the coaching position that...

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Where would you put our head coach vacancy on the list of top program job openings? I'd say starting in the top 7-10 nationally range. Ahead of us are the big 4, throw in Michigan and no list is complete of course without an upper East coast team, but then we're right there. I dont understand the q...

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If the replacement coach is somehow able to retain a good chunk of our returning talent, I can see myself being OK in the long run.

If Pastner is that coach, or Damon to a lesser degree, I will have lost all interest in not just Arizona but all CBB.

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Woj reported Sean Miller probably gonna be an nba assistant next year. Good for him. I wish him luck https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1379907438573412353 This would be a good move for Miller. Nobody at the college level would touch Miller with a 10 foot pole right now. Do the NBA thing, let the N...

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Chicat wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 2:45 pm I know this is a highly charged time for everyone but let’s keep personal attacks out of it. I’ve grown to hate deleting posts.

I'm cool as long a Dave and Bob don't show up here.

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Damon would basically be a Juwan Howard hire. And like Howard, Damon would recruit very well and energize the fan base. I can see a lot of upside; I just know that many here aren't convinced of his coaching ability. Again, coaching hires are always a crapshoot. You feel lucky? Damon has not recruit...

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Musselman is also in the cash loaded SEC, we are the lowly Pac 12 who can barely pay a coach on a top 25 program top 50 money.

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With ABOR meeting next Thursday, I'd assume that a new coach will be selected by then. There's even a slot in their meeting alloted as "secret", so I'd assume that is for an approval of said contact. I'd expect a name by the end of the week maybe beginning of next week. Final negotiations taking pl...

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