Bear Down Wildcats

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Bal reminds me a lot of Michael Dickerson. Struggled to find minutes his freshman year, but came on strong at the end. Solid contributor his sophomore year averaging just over 10 ppg. And by his junior year, leading scorer and best defender on the team. Dickerson was also one of the younger players,...

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Disappointing but not unexpected, if the ESPN numbers are true. Remember, they are a business and want to profit. And they are currently in a time period where they and FOX are the only ones bidding for PAC TV rights--and FOX has decided not to bid. Why would ESPN's first offer be high in this insta...

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Now Fresno St. :lol: If the SEC wants to expand west, wants a school in the CA for the fertile recruiting grounds, and Stanford/CAL say no, what schools are left? Will Fresno State get an invite to the SEC if the SEC want a presence in CA? Not before Stanford, CAL, and SDSU, that's for sure. Who kn...

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Yes, now Bosie St to the SEC. Now you're guaranteed to be a troll. It's all about football. Boise St. has name recognition. And the SEC doesn't care about academics, and only care about other sports that aren't played during football season so they have something to cheer about until football start...

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Of course USC and UCLA are looking at the $$. But butts in seats is small potatoes versus the tv money. And if SDSU can find it's way into a P5 conference with close travel partners, they could really build something. And I can see the SEC poaching teams out west for a west coast division. It would ...

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If the PAC survives and invites SDSU, would make for an interesting recruiting pitch to S. Cal players. Come to San Diego, play in a brand new stadium in front of 50,000 Aztec fans, followed by a quick trip to Arizona the next week. Or, play in a 100-year old stadium in front of 50,000 Ohio State f...

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If the PAC survives and invites SDSU, would make for an interesting recruiting pitch to S. Cal players. Come to San Diego, play in a brand new stadium in front of 50,000 Aztec fans, followed by a quick trip to Arizona the next week. Or, play in a 100-year old stadium in front of 50,000 Ohio State fa...

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Have to throw out ntOSU and WSU for lack of academic standards, outside of their poor facilities too. That's why the talk to get SDSU, Fresno State and UNLV has always been ridiculous. But I still see it constantly. Fresno and UNLV. Yes. But SDSU? They are the jewel of the CAL State system. Academi...

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Maybe someone else can explain to me why joining the BIG 12 and their current cast of misfits should be Plan A, and not our Plan B? If all other options are off the table, then it's time for Plan B. Of if the BIG 12 can actually deliver us significantly more money in the short term, than that's a de...

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Yeah we heard you the first 87 times. And yet, nobody has pointed out a flaw in my logic. And they still want to act just to say they did something, even though there's a chance we'd only be shooting ourselves in the foot. Makes no sense to me. Yes they have numerous times. You just refuse to see a...

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UAEebs86 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 20, 2022 3:04 pm Yeah we heard you the first 87 times.

And yet, nobody has pointed out a flaw in my logic. And they still want to act just to say they did something, even though there's a chance we'd only be shooting ourselves in the foot. Makes no sense to me.

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Who cares if "we take charge of our own destiny," if it ends us up in a place that is not as good as the other possibilities? It's making a change just for change sake without considering the alternate possibilities might lead to a significantly better outcome. A shoot first, ask questions later men...

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Going full steam ahead with what should be Plan B before even seeing what is on the table for potential Plan A is a panic move. And exactly what I would expect from the Arizona brainless trust of Robbins and Heeke. There are so few scenarios that doesn't end in Arizona with no worse than a BIG 12 in...

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The ACC is stuck with their current contract. Maybe ESPN will let them out if a strong enough BIG-PAC-ACC is created. But the schools that don't make the cut will certainly have something to say. If the BIG 12 could add the 4 corner PAC plus UW and Oregon, that is a conference strong enough to surv...

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The BIG 12 is looking at NBC as a potential media partner, as part of a deal to keep Notre Dame independent. Sounds funny at first, but sources are saying NBC is looking to pay ND $75 million to stay independent. Where the BIG 12 comes in is to provide "shoulder content" which are shows before and/o...

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The ACC is stuck with their current contract. Maybe ESPN will let them out if a strong enough BIG-PAC-ACC is created. But the schools that don't make the cut will certainly have something to say. If the BIG 12 could add the 4 corner PAC plus UW and Oregon, that is a conference strong enough to survi...

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The PAC-12 Network being a pile of dog shit doesn't help either. Even Vanderbilt vs. Tennessee with a noon East coast start time on the SEC Network will have more eyeballs than any game on the PAC-12 network. The SEC Network is simply in significantly more households around the nation due to carriag...

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Nothing is going to happen until we know what ESPN is offering the 10 PAC schools. That's expected to be revealed at the end of the month. If it's a crappy deal, and a move to the BIG 12 is much better financially, then OK. I expect this won't happen, because ESPN doesn't want to lose Oregon and UW ...

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The Lloyd example is just a hypothetical. Arizona and other PAC schools have already lost good coaches to the SEC, who can pay out their butts. May be nothing we can do to stop this, but that shouldn't stop us from trying. Lots of moving parts and players who haven't revealed their hands yet when i...

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The Lloyd example is just a hypothetical. Arizona and other PAC schools have already lost good coaches to the SEC, who can pay out their butts. May be nothing we can do to stop this, but that shouldn't stop us from trying. Lots of moving parts and players who haven't revealed their hands yet when i...

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No reason not to hear out espn and get an idea of what others may offer. But at least espn will come at the expense of late kickoffs. Which are worth if it espn would give at least several million more than the Big 12 would and you get a huge buyout if Washington or Oregon leave (or ACC schools if ...

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Don't work for any media outlet or the PAC 12. But understand, they are the hidden hand behind what's happening. Also understand that money is what's most important. If, for example, Cronin doesn't work out at UCLA, and the Bruins offer CTL 2.5X the salary to coach at Westwood because they have BIG...

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Don't work for any media outlet or the PAC 12. But understand, they are the hidden hand behind what's happening. Also understand that money is what's most important. If, for example, Cronin doesn't work out at UCLA, and the Bruins offer CTL 2.5X the salary to coach at Westwood because they have BIG ...

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Risk reward. The risk of being completely out of the BIG 12 is minimal. ACC teams are locked into their contracts until 2036. UW and Oregon don't want to go to the BIG 12 and neither do the Bay Area schools. And the reward for waiting? A deal that may be possibly better than jumping to the BIG 12 n...

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Risk reward. The risk of being completely out of the BIG 12 is minimal. ACC teams are locked into their contracts until 2036. UW and Oregon don't want to go to the BIG 12 and neither do the Bay Area schools. And the reward for waiting? A deal that may be possibly better than jumping to the BIG 12 n...

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Risk reward. The risk of being completely out of the BIG 12 is minimal. ACC teams are locked into their contracts until 2036. UW and Oregon don't want to go to the BIG 12 and neither do the Bay Area schools. And the reward for waiting? A deal that may be possibly better than jumping to the BIG 12 no...

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Thats 100% correct. Especially when we know Oregon and Washington are leaving. Just a matter of when. We dont want to end up having a conference with leftover mountain west teams. We need and want to drive the bus out of here. Agreed we dont care what espn offers in the 30 day window. Ending up in ...

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Ok I’m done, you’re hopeless. I'm not the one worried about Stanford too the BIG 12. Let's do some math with ACC schools. The contract is doing exactly what it was designed. Stop schools from leaving. The cost to break the contract is $100 million. No school will have that laying around. They will ...

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I am not saying stay in the PAC-12. But there is no reason to move until the negotiation window closes in three weeks unless Oregon and Washington leave before that Also again not saying stay but the PAC can make sense if a) espn is willing to pay a huge premium for the late window or b) George get...

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I am not saying stay in the PAC-12. But there is no reason to move until the negotiation window closes in three weeks unless Oregon and Washington leave before that Also again not saying stay but the PAC can make sense if a) espn is willing to pay a huge premium for the late window or b) George get...

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I don't see a 45% reduction coming from the loss of the LA schools. Yes, they brought in 40% of the revenue, but if ESPN really values the late night, live content, they aren't going to reduce what they might have paid with the LA school by 45%. Here's the thing, ESPN values the late night content,...

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I don't see a 45% reduction coming from the loss of the LA schools. Yes, they brought in 40% of the revenue, but if ESPN really values the late night, live content, they aren't going to reduce what they might have paid with the LA school by 45%. Also, doing math, in 2026, with 12 schools, the BIG 12...

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It's all based on Navigate research, the original from March 2022, they could be wrong. Could be just typical consultant BS https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FXg-0yDWYAAxmhs?format=jpg&name=large If you go by these numbers, we'll get paid more by staying in the PAC. And it's also unlikely that if the 4 P...

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I am not saying stay in the PAC-12. But there is no reason to move until the negotiation window closes in three weeks unless Oregon and Washington leave before that Also again not saying stay but the PAC can make sense if a) espn is willing to pay a huge premium for the late window or b) George get...

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We'll find out just how important the late night, 10:00 PM Eastern start time is to ESPN. And maybe this is where an alliance with the ACC can help a little. The PAC would have to agree to a marquee early game on the east coast, and the ACC a late start on the west. We're talking UW at FSU, Clemson ...

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I would imagine a TV contract with the PAC 12 minus 2 split 10 ways is still likely larger, per school, than the BIG 12 plus the four corner PAC schools. This is why Utah, Colorado, and ASu don't seem to intent on moving right away. If the BIG 12 can add six, including Oregon and UW, that might tip ...

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A BIG-PAC merger would be the third best conference in football, but not a distant third. Enough quality to be able to compete. Athletically it makes sense. But these are still universities, and it's not all about athletics. Think CAL and Stanford want to be affiliated with religious schools like Ba...

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If the Big-12 wants to be the third conference they will need to expand. It's either the ACC or the Pac-12. Which one is in better contract shape to join the Big-12? The PAC. ACC is locked into a TV contract with a large buy out until 2035. Why would ESPN, who is getting that content cheap for the ...

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"A potential better deal for us", How? We have no leverage and no football team to offer. What are the chances, if we wait, on losing out on a BIG 12 invite? Do we know any details of a potential PAC TV deal? If the chances are low we won't get a BIG 12 invite, then we lose nothing by waiting to se...

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"A potential better deal for us", How? We have no leverage and no football team to offer. What are the chances, if we wait, on losing out on a BIG 12 invite? Do we know any details of a potential PAC TV deal? If the chances are low we won't get a BIG 12 invite, then we lose nothing by waiting to se...

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We don't know what the other options are yet. We do know that Oregon doesn't want to join the BIG 12. And if they do have to join, the BIG 12 is likely to take as many as 6 PAC teams, including Arizona. The nightmare scenario of the BIG 12 taking only 4 without Arizona is unlikely to happen. Meaning...

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There are no schools in the BIG 12 after Texas and OK leave worth more than Oregon and UW. Why leave them just so we can "control our own destiny!" Rushing headlong into a fire is controlling your own destiny too, but it's obviously a stupid idea. Hitch our wagons to Oregon and UW. If we're lucky, ...

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There are no schools in the BIG 12 after Texas and OK leave worth more than Oregon and UW. Why leave them just so we can "control our own destiny!" Rushing headlong into a fire is controlling your own destiny too, but it's obviously a stupid idea. Hitch our wagons to Oregon and UW. If we're lucky, w...

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Manhattan, KS Nearest city with pop. 50,000+: Topeka, KS (49.3 miles , pop. 122,377). Nearest city with pop. 200,000+: Kansas City, MO (109.3 miles , pop. 441,545). Nearest city with pop. 1,000,000+: Dallas, TX (442.2 miles , pop. 1,188,580). What's close to Pullman WA? Nearest city with pop. 50,00...

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The BIG 12 without Texas and Oklahoma is no better than the PAC without LA. And Berkely is across the bay from San Francisco, and Eugene is a 2-hour straight shot down I-5 from Portland. What's close to Manhattan, KS? Agreed that Oregon will bolt first chance they get to the BIG 10. Or the SEC decid...

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The PAC without the LA schools may be mid major. But do is the BIG 12 if they only add Arizona, ASu, Utah and Colorado. If this is the case, I'd rather stick with Portland, Seattle, and San Francisco over Lubbock, Stillwater, and Lawrence. Now, if we can convince Oregon and UW to come with us to the...

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The BIG 10 is willing to make a Notre Dame exception because they are Notre Dame. Would they make the same exceptions for Clemson and FSU? Judging by the Nebraska reaction, the answer is not today. But wave millions of dollars in front of them, and maybe the BIG 10 reconsiders? While not all PAC-12 ...

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CBS has their own Streaming Network in Paramount Plus, as well as a cable sports network. But I'm not sure CBS has the money or desire to go it alone on college sports, especially if it's the PAC, without the LA schools, carrying the banner. But if Amazon or Apple want in, an agreement might yet be...

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CBS has their own Streaming Network in Paramount Plus, as well as a cable sports network. But I'm not sure CBS has the money or desire to go it alone on college sports, especially if it's the PAC, without the LA schools, carrying the banner. But if Amazon or Apple want in, an agreement might yet be ...

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The only reason the SEC would take a school like FSU or Clemson is to keep them out of the BIG 10 . But not sure either are BIG 10 cultural fits, as neither school is AAU. Not to mention, if the SEC absorbs these schools that are already in their backyard, it could bloat the conference. Think of it...

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