Bear Down Wildcats

Posted: **Sun Jan 03, 2021 11:37 am**

There’s only one booster in Hoops that matters and Sean has hus full support.

Posted: **Sun Jan 03, 2021 12:22 pm**

Thats too bad.

Posted: **Sun Jan 03, 2021 12:25 pm**

Well for me I hope we resign him. He is a top flight coach in all aspects IMO. Not sure who that single booster is but I had heard he is well supported by the overall group very well

Posted: **Sun Jan 03, 2021 12:51 pm**

azcat49 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 03, 2021 12:25 pm Not sure who that single booster is but I had heard he is well supported by the overall group very well

Think it's the Davises.

https://tucson.com/sports/arizonawildca ... fe330.html

Posted: **Sun Jan 03, 2021 10:23 pm**

While I don't think we should keep Miller, I don't want to replace him as long as Robbins is in charge. I don't trust that man to make a good basketball hire. (Or any hire, really.)

So I hope Miller gets a few years added to his contract, and hopefully Robbins will be gone by then so we can then start looking at potential candidates.

Posted: **Sun Jan 03, 2021 10:26 pm**

zonagrad wrote: ↑Sun Jan 03, 2021 11:21 am Sean Miller has (I believe) one year on his contract remaining. There has been no extension (for obvious reasons). Arizona is taking a 1-year post-season ban in hopes that will be the extent of its major penalties. So what's next for retaining or parting ways with Miller? Does the school wait until the arbitration is settled and then decide to extend Miller or part ways?

Without a contract extension, recruiting becomes more difficult. However, further NCAA penalties would set the program back further. Would any new information about Miller's actions surface that isn't already known to the university?

Is Miller still supported by the boosters that matter? Clearly, brining Jason Terry on board didn't hurt. Do the boosters support bringing Sean back?

It’s still early, but I think it’s very likely he gets an extension of some sort after this season.

Posted: **Mon Jan 04, 2021 6:20 am**

Getting rid of Miller, all things considered, would be an idiotic move.

Posted: **Mon Jan 04, 2021 9:11 am**

ChooChooCat wrote: ↑Sun Jan 03, 2021 10:26 pm
zonagrad wrote: ↑Sun Jan 03, 2021 11:21 am Sean Miller has (I believe) one year on his contract remaining. There has been no extension (for obvious reasons). Arizona is taking a 1-year post-season ban in hopes that will be the extent of its major penalties. So what's next for retaining or parting ways with Miller? Does the school wait until the arbitration is settled and then decide to extend Miller or part ways?

Without a contract extension, recruiting becomes more difficult. However, further NCAA penalties would set the program back further. Would any new information about Miller's actions surface that isn't already known to the university?

Is Miller still supported by the boosters that matter? Clearly, brining Jason Terry on board didn't hurt. Do the boosters support bringing Sean back?
It’s still early, but I think it’s very likely he gets an extension of some sort after this season.

I can't understand why we wouldn't. Self sanctioning with no direct Miller penalty (or apparent jeopardy to his job) seems like a positive on the NCAA front.

In terms of the team, we can't hold lack of tourney success against him any more. Early returns with a young, developmental roster seem to be good and the foundation seems solid going forwards.

Unless he wants out (and even then, I'd be suprised if someone hired him away prior to the NCAA thing going final) I struggle for reasons to let him go. Of course, if we let him go, we could just let Jedd Fisch coach basketball too.

Posted: **Mon Jan 04, 2021 9:53 am**

Need to keep Sean around until we have enough money to pay for Jedd's buyout.

Posted: **Mon Jan 04, 2021 10:50 am**

I 100% want Miller to stay. 5 year extension.

Posted: **Mon Jan 04, 2021 1:15 pm**

BBQ wildcat wrote: ↑Mon Jan 04, 2021 10:50 am I 100% want Miller to stay. 5 year extension.

I endorse

Posted: **Mon Jan 04, 2021 8:47 pm**

zonagrad wrote: ↑Sun Jan 03, 2021 11:21 am Sean Miller has (I believe) one year on his contract remaining. There has been no extension (for obvious reasons). Arizona is taking a 1-year post-season ban in hopes that will be the extent of its major penalties. So what's next for retaining or parting ways with Miller? Does the school wait until the arbitration is settled and then decide to extend Miller or part ways?

Without a contract extension, recruiting becomes more difficult. However, further NCAA penalties would set the program back further. Would any new information about Miller's actions surface that isn't already known to the university?

Is Miller still supported by the boosters that matter? Clearly, brining Jason Terry on board didn't hurt. Do the boosters support bringing Sean back?

I believe I read that in the last decade Arizona has 10 more wins then any other PAC 12 team (start of this year). You can guess my vote. Regardless of that stat the team has had a cloud over it for going on 4 years and has held up. It isn't where we want it and this years team is young and will disappoint us but they work hard and I'm proud that none have had COVID that interrupted the schedule.

Posted: **Mon Jan 04, 2021 8:51 pm**

The way the current team is built just seems like the type of team Miller can thrive with.

Give him that 5 year extension

Posted: **Tue Jan 05, 2021 3:31 pm**

Miller has tried to leave this program twice since the scandal
-Nobody wanted him ( Is he Arizona Good? )

Miller also tried to leave for Maryland after his second year at Arizona ( they offered him less money then he makes at AZ )
-I think the market place is trying to tell us something

Miller was going to be fired last year if he lost in the first round again ( bailed out by Covid )

Miller would have been fired this year if he lost in the first round again ( Bailed out by his own Scandal )

We should not sign Miller to any long contract ( he will be fired or leave soon )

Please ask around to those that have had the unfortunate experience to have interacted with this coach and you will find he is very unpleasant and his “bad luck” is well earned

Time to move on he is already grinding the program into the ground with his negative energy ( not a Champion )

Jason Terry is a Lute level Person and has Championship experience at every level ( immensely positive )
-Even when JT was in college he had his head on straight unlike Miles and Bibby

Time to move Up and onward( not sideways or down)

Posted: **Tue Jan 05, 2021 3:43 pm**

AztoCa wrote: ↑Tue Jan 05, 2021 3:31 pm
Miller also tried to leave for Maryland after his second year at Arizona ( they offered him less money then he makes at AZ )

I prefer the story that Miller was turned off by the Maryland AD eating a greasy sloppy hamburger.

Posted: **Tue Jan 05, 2021 4:10 pm**

Merkin wrote: ↑Tue Jan 05, 2021 3:43 pm
AztoCa wrote: ↑Tue Jan 05, 2021 3:31 pm
Miller also tried to leave for Maryland after his second year at Arizona ( they offered him less money then he makes at AZ )
I prefer the story that Miller was turned off by the Maryland AD eating a greasy sloppy hamburger.

It was the classic story of the lure of grass vs the turnoff of a burger.

Posted: **Tue Jan 05, 2021 4:53 pm**

Machina dat you?

Posted: **Tue Jan 05, 2021 5:27 pm**

AztoCa wrote: ↑Tue Jan 05, 2021 3:31 pm
-Even when JT was in college he had his head on straight unlike Miles and Bibby

Was that before or after he took money from an agent and we forfeited games because he had his head screwed on straight?

Posted: **Tue Jan 05, 2021 5:37 pm**

Jason Terry's burner account is wildin'...

Posted: **Tue Jan 05, 2021 7:23 pm**

ByJoveByJingle wrote: ↑Tue Jan 05, 2021 5:27 pm
AztoCa wrote: ↑Tue Jan 05, 2021 3:31 pm
-Even when JT was in college he had his head on straight unlike Miles and Bibby
Was that before or after he took money from an agent and we forfeited games because he had his head screwed on straight?

Just because there's an NCAA rule against it, that doesn't make it wrong.

Posted: **Wed Jan 06, 2021 9:48 am**

at thinking Miller would be fired for a first round loss last year after not being fired for the NCAA stuff

Road sweeps in the last decade (excluding this year, where we already have 1)

16 Arizona
11 Oregon
6 Cal/Utah
5 UW/UCLA
3 USC
2 Stan/Rado
1 everybody else including asu

This conference is uniquely difficult in how it is geographically structured and scheduled, and a road sweep is an interesting display of toughness, preparation, and team willpower.

Posted: **Wed Jan 06, 2021 10:04 am**

I never understand the people on here who argue Miller sucks and Altman has passed him by. Arizona has great advantages as a program, but Oregon's no slouch with Nike money.

Miller's outperformed Altman in virtually every metric in basically the same tenure. Conference performance, tourney wins, Miller objectively does pretty well.

Altman's two big things are one Final Four appearance and that he's been better in the two years since the FBI investigation kicked our ass. Really, everything else favors Miller and Arizona.

Posted: **Wed Jan 06, 2021 10:57 am**

That's a great stat on road sweeps. I can't find the home wins stats but you add those together and its pretty glaring how successful Miller has been compared to the field.

Personally its the resiliency he's shown over these last two years that have impressed me the most. Last year's team was a recruiting success that can't be understated - we were dead in the water without that class. And then to replace them all with a solid group while pivoting to a different recruiting model (more international, less OAD, more playmaking and shooting)... Miller has no quit. Sign the extension.

Posted: **Wed Jan 06, 2021 11:16 am**

YoDeFoe wrote: ↑Wed Jan 06, 2021 10:57 am That's a great stat on road sweeps. I can't find the home wins stats but you add those together and its pretty glaring how successful Miller has been compared to the field.

Personally its the resiliency he's shown over these last two years that have impressed me the most. Last year's team was a recruiting success that can't be understated - we were dead in the water without that class. And then to replace them all with a solid group while pivoting to a different recruiting model (more international, less OAD, more playmaking and shooting)... Miller has no quit. Sign the extension.

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Posted: **Wed Jan 06, 2021 12:37 pm**

ByJoveByJingle wrote: ↑Tue Jan 05, 2021 5:27 pm
AztoCa wrote: ↑Tue Jan 05, 2021 3:31 pm
-Even when JT was in college he had his head on straight unlike Miles and Bibby
Was that before or after he took money from an agent and we forfeited games because he had his head screwed on straight?

People don't remember or perhaps didn't realize that assistant coach Jim Rosborough was contacted by Terry's mom about the agent and Roz thought it was hogwash. Roz received a formal reprimand from the university for his actions. It was the reason why Terry's jersey wasn't retired in the rafters at McKale.

How do you think that scenario would have played out had that "agent" been caught in criminal activity while also dealing with an eligible Arizona player and then the NCAA seeing that an Arizona assistant coach had knowledge of the "agent" and his actions? See some similarities with the Christian Dawkins/Book Richardson situation? Would some consider this lack of institutional control by Lute? You could certainly spin it that way, couldn't you?

Posted: **Wed Jan 06, 2021 3:20 pm**

AztoCa wrote: ↑Tue Jan 05, 2021 3:31 pm Miller has tried to leave this program twice since the scandal
-Nobody wanted him ( Is he Arizona Good? )

Miller also tried to leave for Maryland after his second year at Arizona ( they offered him less money then he makes at AZ )
-I think the market place is trying to tell us something

Miller was going to be fired last year if he lost in the first round again ( bailed out by Covid )

Miller would have been fired this year if he lost in the first round again ( Bailed out by his own Scandal )

We should not sign Miller to any long contract ( he will be fired or leave soon )

Please ask around to those that have had the unfortunate experience to have interacted with this coach and you will find he is very unpleasant and his “bad luck” is well earned

Time to move on he is already grinding the program into the ground with his negative energy ( not a Champion )

Jason Terry is a Lute level Person and has Championship experience at every level ( immensely positive )
-Even when JT was in college he had his head on straight unlike Miles and Bibby

Time to move Up and onward( not sideways or down)

God I hate people that just make shit up. JT had his head screwed on right? Not according to him.

Posted: **Wed Jan 06, 2021 3:49 pm**

TheCat wrote: ↑Wed Jan 06, 2021 3:20 pm
AztoCa wrote: ↑Tue Jan 05, 2021 3:31 pm Miller has tried to leave this program twice since the scandal
-Nobody wanted him ( Is he Arizona Good? )

Miller also tried to leave for Maryland after his second year at Arizona ( they offered him less money then he makes at AZ )
-I think the market place is trying to tell us something

Miller was going to be fired last year if he lost in the first round again ( bailed out by Covid )

Miller would have been fired this year if he lost in the first round again ( Bailed out by his own Scandal )

We should not sign Miller to any long contract ( he will be fired or leave soon )

Please ask around to those that have had the unfortunate experience to have interacted with this coach and you will find he is very unpleasant and his “bad luck” is well earned

Time to move on he is already grinding the program into the ground with his negative energy ( not a Champion )

Jason Terry is a Lute level Person and has Championship experience at every level ( immensely positive )
-Even when JT was in college he had his head on straight unlike Miles and Bibby

Time to move Up and onward( not sideways or down)
God I hate people that just make shit up. JT had his head screwed on right? Not according to him.

Uh, Maryland wanting Miller is a compliment to him. He hasn't gotten as many sniffs lately for fairly obvious reasons like the FBI and NCAA investigation.

This same reasoning also applies to the market value of the Arizona job while we face the FBI and NCAA.

As for firing him in the wake of the decimation the FBI and ESPN gave us, people wanting to do dumb stuff isn't justification for doing dumb stuff.

Posted: **Thu Jan 07, 2021 9:09 pm**

Fire Miller

Posted: **Thu Jan 07, 2021 9:15 pm**

YoDeFoe wrote: ↑Thu Jan 07, 2021 9:09 pm Fire Miller

I think you're joking, but I'm sure people will seriously say this.

The story of the game is SC shooting 58% and 57% from 3 and Baker/Akinjo combining for 1 of 15 shooting. Ain't coming back from that.

Posted: **Thu Jan 07, 2021 10:12 pm**

Baker had some good looks and could not hit them.
Maybe his ankle is still bothering him.

Posted: **Fri Jan 08, 2021 5:29 am**

Postmaster wrote: ↑Thu Jan 07, 2021 10:12 pm Baker had some good looks and could not hit them.
Maybe his ankle is still bothering him.

Really? I thought SC closed out on him well throughout the game.
And with SC’s length it was tough for our outside shooters to get open looks for the most part.

Posted: **Fri Jan 08, 2021 11:47 am**

Spaceman Spiff wrote: ↑Thu Jan 07, 2021 9:15 pm
YoDeFoe wrote: ↑Thu Jan 07, 2021 9:09 pm Fire Miller
I think you're joking, but I'm sure people will seriously say this.

The story of the game is SC shooting 58% and 57% from 3 and Baker/Akinjo combining for 1 of 15 shooting. Ain't coming back from that.

Yeah that was the joke - one tough game and I'm sure the chicken littles will come around chirping.

I'll have to check the other thread and see if we got a Clip breakdown... interesting game, tough to see our guards shoot so poorly against their length. I thought we did a darn good job getting into the paint but just could capitalize on it beyond the interior passes to our bigs. Should be a lot of good tape to review.

Posted: **Fri Jan 08, 2021 11:51 am**

We missed a lot of chippies. Can't afford that when your opponent is shooting close to 60%.

Posted: **Fri Jan 08, 2021 12:06 pm**

YoDeFoe wrote: ↑Fri Jan 08, 2021 11:47 am
Spaceman Spiff wrote: ↑Thu Jan 07, 2021 9:15 pm
YoDeFoe wrote: ↑Thu Jan 07, 2021 9:09 pm Fire Miller
I think you're joking, but I'm sure people will seriously say this.

The story of the game is SC shooting 58% and 57% from 3 and Baker/Akinjo combining for 1 of 15 shooting. Ain't coming back from that.
Yeah that was the joke - one tough game and I'm sure the chicken littles will come around chirping.

I'll have to check the other thread and see if we got a Clip breakdown... interesting game, tough to see our guards shoot so poorly against their length. I thought we did a darn good job getting into the paint but just could capitalize on it beyond the interior passes to our bigs. Should be a lot of good tape to review.

I didn't record it, but my takeaway was that their length gave Akinjo and Baker more problems in penetration and midrange than they did from 3.

Most of their outside looks...they weren't incredible, but they weren't bad. Where they suffered was getting jammed up 10-12 feet from the rim. It wasn't just our perimeter starters being 2-19 combined, it's also that they only had 2 total freethrows.

A cardinal rule of penetration for me is it has to do one of four things or you shouldn't be doing it.

1. Get a shot.
2. Draw a foul.
3. Create a pass to an open shooter.
4. Make the D scramble into recovery.

Baker and Akinjo were getting to 10 feet, but then just getting smothered by length without any of those things happening. That's the part of their D I felt like we really didn't solve.

The #1 problem was that they took advantage of our D all night. Some of it was them being hot, but a lot was just us breaking down. Miller said in the press conference that their offensive approach was straightforward, and I agree. We just never forced them out of what they wanted to do.

Posted: **Fri Jan 08, 2021 1:43 pm**

Spaceman Spiff wrote: ↑Fri Jan 08, 2021 12:06 pm I didn't record it, but my takeaway was that their length gave Akinjo and Baker more problems in penetration and midrange than they did from 3.

Most of their outside looks...they weren't incredible, but they weren't bad. Where they suffered was getting jammed up 10-12 feet from the rim. It wasn't just our perimeter starters being 2-19 combined, it's also that they only had 2 total freethrows.

A cardinal rule of penetration for me is it has to do one of four things or you shouldn't be doing it.

1. Get a shot.
2. Draw a foul.
3. Create a pass to an open shooter.
4. Make the D scramble into recovery.

Baker and Akinjo were getting to 10 feet, but then just getting smothered by length without any of those things happening. That's the part of their D I felt like we really didn't solve.

The #1 problem was that they took advantage of our D all night. Some of it was them being hot, but a lot was just us breaking down. Miller said in the press conference that their offensive approach was straightforward, and I agree. We just never forced them out of what they wanted to do.

Agreed agreed agreed. My whole hope heading in was that our guys, being smaller but being good guards, could achieve 1-4 above. Was very frustrating that we couldn't pick up fouls on the way to the rim.

Posted: **Fri Jan 08, 2021 1:54 pm**

Even when Akinjo or Baker drover, and threw up crap, the other guard didn't get back on defense and USC had open fast break looks multiple times.

Basketball 101, if one guard drives towards the basket, the other guard needs to stay on top of the key to stop any fast breaks. At least twice USC was open for a wide open 3 after a missed UA shot. 5 point turnaround each time.

Not that Baker is a good defender, and Akinjo got beat several times.

Posted: **Tue Jan 26, 2021 5:33 pm**

Before this gets buried on page 2 ------------------------------- This year, maybe more than any other, Miller has shown that he definitely can coach.

Posted: **Tue Jan 26, 2021 6:20 pm**

Alieberman wrote: ↑Mon Jan 04, 2021 8:51 pm The way the current team is built just seems like the type of team Miller can thrive with.

Give him that 5 year extension

yes! now and again the next several seasons

Posted: **Tue Jan 26, 2021 7:01 pm**

BBQ wildcat wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 5:33 pm Before this gets buried on page 2 ------------------------------- This year, maybe more than any other, Miller has shown that he definitely can coach.

I know I'm in the Miller fanboy club on this board, but yes.

First, we got declared ineligible for tourney play and it's clear everyone is still bought in. That's no small feat. The team is still playing hard and improving.

Second, Covid hasn't exactly provided an easy offseason and simple development schedule. When you're replacing 100% of your Day 1 starters from the prior year, that hurts.

Next, this team isn't without challenges. A lot of new parts plus some guys who aren't extremely versatile can be challenging. We still have a top 20 offense nationally.

Look at how teams like Kentucky and Duke have struggled. Or ASU (lol). The FBI forced a rebuild on us, but this is just another reminder of what Miller can do.

Posted: **Wed Jan 27, 2021 10:51 am**

Probably as encouraging to me is COVID free.

Posted: **Wed Jan 27, 2021 3:24 pm**

No techs for him this season? We need at least 1...

Posted: **Mon Feb 15, 2021 11:12 am**

Interesting that Boston College fired their coach today -- mid-season. If you're Sean Miller, do you make an inquiry about the position, especially not knowing if you're getting a contract extension? Obviously it's not even close of a lateral move -- but it does provide ample job security and Miller has proven himself a very capable coach.
More similar positions are likely to open up in the next several weeks. Is Arizona considering parting ways with Miller? If not, they need to get an extension so Miller doesn't bolt.

Posted: **Mon Feb 15, 2021 12:09 pm**

zonagrad wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 11:12 am Interesting that Boston College fired their coach today -- mid-season. If you're Sean Miller, do you make an inquiry about the position, especially not knowing if you're getting a contract extension? Obviously it's not even close of a lateral move -- but it does provide ample job security and Miller has proven himself a very capable coach.
More similar positions are likely to open up in the next several weeks. Is Arizona considering parting ways with Miller? If not, they need to get an extension so Miller doesn't bolt.

I have a hard time seeing any other school offering Miller with the IARP pending. It's just such an unknown.

I don't think it will happen, but a school has to worry they'd be bringing in a guy who potentially could catch a show cause penalty before he completes a single year.

The concern would have to be too that if Miller leaves Arizona, Arizona could also now 100% use him as a fall guy with the IARP. There's not much stopping us from arguing our self-imposed penalties are sufficient and any additional penalties should be assessed directly to Miller at BC if he leaves.

That's the weird dynamic of the FBI/NCAA/IARP. Both Miller and Arizona have any incentive for a split significantly cut by the impact of the process. If we tried for a new coach, potential impending sanctions would play a role. If Miller tried to leave, his potential personal sanctions would play a role.

Posted: **Mon Feb 15, 2021 12:44 pm**

If the IARP penalties are significantly stricter than what has already been self-imposed, including a show-cause on Miller and/or significant suspension, then yes, it will be time to part ways. But if the penalties don't include anything additionally significant, then we have no reason to fire Miller. The only thing lacking from Miller's resume are Final Fours and a National Championship. Miller has proven capable of taking Arizona to the promised land with three Elite 8s. It's just some poor bounces and bad luck Miller didn't break through. But again, assuming no further penalties, we'll be back competing for top tournament seeds, perhaps as early as next year.

Judging coaches just on NCAA Tournament success is harsh, and if you were around Tucson in the early 90's, many were upset with Lute for the multiple first-round flameouts. And before winning back-to-back championships, there were Florida fans upset with Donovan, because between 2001 and 2005, Florida never made it past the first weekend. And on paper, the 05-06 Gators weren't supposed to be as good as the 04-05 team.

Posted: **Mon Feb 15, 2021 12:50 pm**

There is really no reason why we shouldn’t give CSM a two year extension right now.

Posted: **Mon Feb 15, 2021 12:51 pm**

Chicat wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 12:50 pm There is really no reason why we shouldn’t give CSM a two year extension right now.

Absolutely!!!!!

Posted: **Mon Feb 15, 2021 1:25 pm**

AzCatFan2 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 12:44 pm Judging coaches just on NCAA Tournament success is harsh, and if you were around Tucson in the early 90's, many were upset with Lute for the multiple first-round flameouts. And before winning back-to-back championships, there were Florida fans upset with Donovan, because between 2001 and 2005, Florida never made it past the first weekend. And on paper, the 05-06 Gators weren't supposed to be as good as the 04-05 team.

Mark Few, Tony Bennett and Jay Wright were similarly judged as tourney choke artists. There are a lot of coaches who are until they break through.

Our decline in fortunes directly coincides with the FBI investigation. I would like to extend Miller to give him a chance to show with roster stability and the IARP hopefully finishing with no additional punishment, he can return to the place we were pre-FBI and our luck can change to get past the Elite Eight.

I'd be down with 2-3 years, as I think we'll get a solid handle on whether Miller can return to pre-FBI levels in that time, hopefully sooner.

Posted: **Mon Feb 15, 2021 1:56 pm**

I am down for an extension as I think he has done a great job with the roster and the team this year.

I do wonder if he was extended and only offered for a two or three year period, if he would accept. I know his choices would be limited but I still wonder.

Probably going to lose twice this week so the noose is tightened a bit

Posted: **Mon Feb 15, 2021 2:06 pm**

Since the the UA has to pay Sumlin $7.5M I imagine an extension is in order just for that reason.

Posted: **Mon Feb 15, 2021 2:11 pm**

Merkin wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 2:06 pm Since the the UA has to pay Sumlin $7.5M I imagine an extension is in order just for that reason.

With just one year left on his contract you don't really need a payoff. You're coaching for your job in the last year; show us something. Or keep losing to Oregon State at home. Either way.

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