Bear Down Wildcats

PHXCATS wrote: ↑Tue Feb 14, 2023 12:20 pm

CardiacCats97 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 14, 2023 11:53 am

PHXCATS wrote: ↑Tue Feb 14, 2023 11:41 am

CardiacCats97 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 14, 2023 11:09 am

PHXCATS wrote: ↑Tue Feb 14, 2023 10:39 am Making a shit joke doesn't change that.

Shit joke from a shit fan, am I right?

You must be a hell of a lot of fun at the tailgates.

I don’t know a thing about you so no idea but the fan base overall for the entire conference is shit compared to the other conferences that all got paid

Blanket statements are stupid.

Are the WSU fans who bring their flag to every Gameday shit?

Are the Arizona fans who pack Vegas every year and sell out McKale every game and who rip national pundits on Twitter for their disrespect and post religiously on these messages boards shit?

I won’t speak for every fan or every fan base, but the results haven’t really been all that spectacular. Hard to truly get behind a conference where the last football national championship was 19 years ago (and was vacated) and the last basketball national championship was ours over a quarter of a century ago. And we aren’t regularly putting teams in the Playoff or the Final Four.

Shit fans? Or shit conference?

The big ten hasn’t won a basketball title since 2000 and only Ohio State has won in football over that timeframe and only twice.

Yet Big Ten gets all the viewership thus all the money.

And notice how I said overall. Yeah our basketball fans are great and we have D at best football fans.

The lack of viewership and attendance is the reason for the conference failing to get a tv deal

CardiacCats97 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 14, 2023 1:23 pm

PHXCATS wrote: ↑Tue Feb 14, 2023 12:20 pm

CardiacCats97 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 14, 2023 11:53 am

PHXCATS wrote: ↑Tue Feb 14, 2023 11:41 am

CardiacCats97 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 14, 2023 11:09 am
Shit joke from a shit fan, am I right?

You must be a hell of a lot of fun at the tailgates.

I don’t know a thing about you so no idea but the fan base overall for the entire conference is shit compared to the other conferences that all got paid

Blanket statements are stupid.

Are the WSU fans who bring their flag to every Gameday shit?

Are the Arizona fans who pack Vegas every year and sell out McKale every game and who rip national pundits on Twitter for their disrespect and post religiously on these messages boards shit?

I won’t speak for every fan or every fan base, but the results haven’t really been all that spectacular. Hard to truly get behind a conference where the last football national championship was 19 years ago (and was vacated) and the last basketball national championship was ours over a quarter of a century ago. And we aren’t regularly putting teams in the Playoff or the Final Four.

Shit fans? Or shit conference?

The big ten hasn’t won a basketball title since 2000 and only Ohio State has won in football over that timeframe and only twice.

Yet Big Ten gets all the viewership thus all the money.

And notice how I said overall. Yeah our basketball fans are great and we have D at best football fans.

The lack of viewership and attendance is the reason for the conference failing to get a tv deal

The B1G has had 8 participants in the College Football Playoff in the 9 years it has existed.

The PAC has had 2.

The B1G had 2 just this year.

Yeah, keep blaming those shit fans for not supporting a totally subpar product.

PHXCATS wrote: ↑Tue Feb 14, 2023 3:33 pm You are saying UA and PAC-12 are fair weather fans

Glad you agree

CardiacCats97 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 14, 2023 4:25 pm

PHXCATS wrote: ↑Tue Feb 14, 2023 3:33 pm You are saying UA and PAC-12 are fair weather fans

Glad you agree

I’m saying that you’re engaged in victim-blaming and you’ve proven there’s no joke there.

Univ. of Nebraska football’s six consecutive losing seasons “took a significant toll on gate attendance” during the 2022 season, according to Sam McKewon of the OMAHA WORLD-HERALD

CardiacCats97 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 14, 2023 4:43 pm “Nebraska football's lack of success reflected in 2022 attendance numbers”

https://www.sportsbusinessjournal.com/D ... dance.aspx

Univ. of Nebraska football’s six consecutive losing seasons “took a significant toll on gate attendance” during the 2022 season, according to Sam McKewon of the OMAHA WORLD-HERALD

PHXCATS wrote: ↑Tue Feb 14, 2023 5:49 pm

CardiacCats97 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 14, 2023 4:43 pm “Nebraska football's lack of success reflected in 2022 attendance numbers”

https://www.sportsbusinessjournal.com/D ... dance.aspx

Univ. of Nebraska football’s six consecutive losing seasons “took a significant toll on gate attendance” during the 2022 season, according to Sam McKewon of the OMAHA WORLD-HERALD

They still sell 80k tickets a game and the attendance is far better than UA's good years

PHXCATS wrote: ↑Tue Feb 14, 2023 5:49 pm

CardiacCats97 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 14, 2023 4:43 pm “Nebraska football's lack of success reflected in 2022 attendance numbers”

https://www.sportsbusinessjournal.com/D ... dance.aspx

Univ. of Nebraska football’s six consecutive losing seasons “took a significant toll on gate attendance” during the 2022 season, according to Sam McKewon of the OMAHA WORLD-HERALD

They still sell 80k tickets a game and the attendance is far better than UA's good years

84Cat wrote: ↑Tue Feb 14, 2023 7:10 pm I lived in Nebraska for a bit and still have 10 or so cousins that live in small towns in Nebraska. The towns almost completely shut down during games because there is nothing else going on. It's a totally different culture than Arizona

azcat49 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 14, 2023 7:58 pm Put a winning product n the field and CAT fans will show up. Probably the same for most west coast schools.

As for the viewers, it’s certainly known that our west there is far more options for fun than sitting in front of a TV and watching a game. The networks already price that in

PHXCATS wrote: ↑Tue Feb 14, 2023 7:59 pm

84Cat wrote: ↑Tue Feb 14, 2023 7:10 pm I lived in Nebraska for a bit and still have 10 or so cousins that live in small towns in Nebraska. The towns almost completely shut down during games because there is nothing else going on. It's a totally different culture than Arizona

Exactly

They care about football all the time. Not just when Nebraska is good

azcat49 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 14, 2023 1:08 pm Yea I doubt you make a 300-400m investment and give it away for free.

Merkin wrote: ↑Tue Feb 14, 2023 9:19 am Don't think Amazon is flush with cash now, along with ESPN and Disney.

GlobalCat wrote: ↑Wed Feb 15, 2023 12:59 am

Merkin wrote: ↑Tue Feb 14, 2023 9:19 am Don't think Amazon is flush with cash now, along with ESPN and Disney.

amazon was sitting on $70b cash on hand at the end of Q4 22. Disney is sitting on $11.6b.

azcat49 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 15, 2023 8:32 am Just for the record, I think we are making a poor choice by staying In this wrecknif a conference

I also think being buried in tier 1 games on Amazon is a very bad move.

That said I am consigned that this is where it is headed. So given those things a couple of questions.

You’re saying you expect Amazon to broadcast these games through Amazon Prime and they will not make you have a special sports app subscription?

Does that also mean the schools can pick their time for kickoff and we won’t have to worry about a late window?

ChooChooCat wrote: ↑Wed Feb 15, 2023 8:26 am This new Ourand/Marchand podcast is absolutely brutal for you Pro-Pac 12 guys.

84Cat wrote: ↑Wed Feb 15, 2023 9:27 am I had heard that ESPN had completely dropped out due to their reorg.

84Cat wrote: ↑Mon Feb 13, 2023 2:16 pm Everything's fine

azcat49 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 15, 2023 9:44 am

84Cat wrote: ↑Mon Feb 13, 2023 2:16 pm Everything's fine

Remember this…….Good times

azcat49 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 15, 2023 11:23 am Why explore expansion if Amazon didn’t want the tonnage? Initial reports were that whoever was bidding wanted more inventory?

Sounds like Lucy pulled the football from under Charlie Brown

AzCatFan2 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 15, 2023 11:53 am Just speculation, but when Amazon lost Sunday Ticket, it no longer wanted the tonnage of college sports. Sunday ticket requires broadcasting of a number of games at the same time. Something that fits in with the college conference sports schedule. But without a reason to have multiple channels, Amazon decided it's likely better for them to dip their toe into college sports with more of a game of the week model.

Not sure if Google/YouTube is a potential player with the PAC. They won the NFL contract, and having a college conference slate of games now makes more sense for them. But they have hardly been mentioned with the PAC. May have no interest.

Apple has the MLS contract, and while soccer is growing in the US, it's not the NFL, and probably never will be. The MLS version of every game would also require multiple broadcasts at the same time, so the fit is there for college sports. But if we go with Apple, the money better be there. If it's just a close match with Apple, like $32 million a year, going BIG12 is better for us short term.

A rumor on the BIG 12 is if they expand, they want a longer Grant of Rights from the new members than the current contract. Current contract ends 2030/31 season, and future BIG12 schools GOR ends when the contract ends. Meaning, if they leave early, they get no money from the rest of the contract. The BIG12 may be worried that new PAC additions would only be short-term, especially Oregon and UW, and the BIG12 would want to lock them into the BIG12 for a longer period than just the length of the contract. Especially with the B1G contract ending just a year later than the BIG12.

ChooChooCat wrote: ↑Wed Feb 15, 2023 11:57 am

AzCatFan2 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 15, 2023 11:53 am Just speculation, but when Amazon lost Sunday Ticket, it no longer wanted the tonnage of college sports. Sunday ticket requires broadcasting of a number of games at the same time. Something that fits in with the college conference sports schedule. But without a reason to have multiple channels, Amazon decided it's likely better for them to dip their toe into college sports with more of a game of the week model.

Not sure if Google/YouTube is a potential player with the PAC. They won the NFL contract, and having a college conference slate of games now makes more sense for them. But they have hardly been mentioned with the PAC. May have no interest.

Apple has the MLS contract, and while soccer is growing in the US, it's not the NFL, and probably never will be. The MLS version of every game would also require multiple broadcasts at the same time, so the fit is there for college sports. But if we go with Apple, the money better be there. If it's just a close match with Apple, like $32 million a year, going BIG12 is better for us short term.

A rumor on the BIG 12 is if they expand, they want a longer Grant of Rights from the new members than the current contract. Current contract ends 2030/31 season, and future BIG12 schools GOR ends when the contract ends. Meaning, if they leave early, they get no money from the rest of the contract. The BIG12 may be worried that new PAC additions would only be short-term, especially Oregon and UW, and the BIG12 would want to lock them into the BIG12 for a longer period than just the length of the contract. Especially with the B1G contract ending just a year later than the BIG12.

YouTube's contract with the NFL is different than what the Pac 12 is looking for. YouTube is doing the exact same model as DirecTV did. They're providers, not broadcasters.

AzCatFan2 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 15, 2023 12:45 pm

ChooChooCat wrote: ↑Wed Feb 15, 2023 11:57 am

AzCatFan2 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 15, 2023 11:53 am Just speculation, but when Amazon lost Sunday Ticket, it no longer wanted the tonnage of college sports. Sunday ticket requires broadcasting of a number of games at the same time. Something that fits in with the college conference sports schedule. But without a reason to have multiple channels, Amazon decided it's likely better for them to dip their toe into college sports with more of a game of the week model.

Not sure if Google/YouTube is a potential player with the PAC. They won the NFL contract, and having a college conference slate of games now makes more sense for them. But they have hardly been mentioned with the PAC. May have no interest.

Apple has the MLS contract, and while soccer is growing in the US, it's not the NFL, and probably never will be. The MLS version of every game would also require multiple broadcasts at the same time, so the fit is there for college sports. But if we go with Apple, the money better be there. If it's just a close match with Apple, like $32 million a year, going BIG12 is better for us short term.

A rumor on the BIG 12 is if they expand, they want a longer Grant of Rights from the new members than the current contract. Current contract ends 2030/31 season, and future BIG12 schools GOR ends when the contract ends. Meaning, if they leave early, they get no money from the rest of the contract. The BIG12 may be worried that new PAC additions would only be short-term, especially Oregon and UW, and the BIG12 would want to lock them into the BIG12 for a longer period than just the length of the contract. Especially with the B1G contract ending just a year later than the BIG12.

YouTube's contract with the NFL is different than what the Pac 12 is looking for. YouTube is doing the exact same model as DirecTV did. They're providers, not broadcasters.

YouTube mostly streams other channels. But they do have their own content, YouTube Red, that is exclusive to YT subscribers only. Sunday Ticket will be YT exclusive for subscribers only. For Sunday Ticket, they will have to have up to 8 channels at a time.

As of right now, there is no business agreement for Sunday Ticket. Meaning, if this Sunday were a full schedule of NFL games, there would be no way for sports bars/restaurants to broadcast out of market games. The Sunday Ticket agreement is in-home only. Sports bars could potentially subscribe to YT and stream all the games, but how many sports bars have the current infrastructure already in place to stream games over the number of TVs they currently have? Not to mention, places in rural areas where the infrastructure for high-speed may not currently exist, but satellites work well.

DTV left the channels they designated for Sunday Ticket go dark for 7 months of the year, and 6 1/2 days out of the week. But they could afford to, as in-home and business subscribers still relied on DTV for all their television viewing. YT may be interested in having other content on these channels so they just don't sit there 95% of the time. Having a college conference package fills this void, not only on Saturday for football, but for all sports.

ChooChooCat wrote: ↑Wed Feb 15, 2023 12:51 pm

AzCatFan2 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 15, 2023 12:45 pm

ChooChooCat wrote: ↑Wed Feb 15, 2023 11:57 am

AzCatFan2 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 15, 2023 11:53 am Just speculation, but when Amazon lost Sunday Ticket, it no longer wanted the tonnage of college sports. Sunday ticket requires broadcasting of a number of games at the same time. Something that fits in with the college conference sports schedule. But without a reason to have multiple channels, Amazon decided it's likely better for them to dip their toe into college sports with more of a game of the week model.

Not sure if Google/YouTube is a potential player with the PAC. They won the NFL contract, and having a college conference slate of games now makes more sense for them. But they have hardly been mentioned with the PAC. May have no interest.

Apple has the MLS contract, and while soccer is growing in the US, it's not the NFL, and probably never will be. The MLS version of every game would also require multiple broadcasts at the same time, so the fit is there for college sports. But if we go with Apple, the money better be there. If it's just a close match with Apple, like $32 million a year, going BIG12 is better for us short term.

A rumor on the BIG 12 is if they expand, they want a longer Grant of Rights from the new members than the current contract. Current contract ends 2030/31 season, and future BIG12 schools GOR ends when the contract ends. Meaning, if they leave early, they get no money from the rest of the contract. The BIG12 may be worried that new PAC additions would only be short-term, especially Oregon and UW, and the BIG12 would want to lock them into the BIG12 for a longer period than just the length of the contract. Especially with the B1G contract ending just a year later than the BIG12.

YouTube's contract with the NFL is different than what the Pac 12 is looking for. YouTube is doing the exact same model as DirecTV did. They're providers, not broadcasters.

YouTube mostly streams other channels. But they do have their own content, YouTube Red, that is exclusive to YT subscribers only. Sunday Ticket will be YT exclusive for subscribers only. For Sunday Ticket, they will have to have up to 8 channels at a time.

As of right now, there is no business agreement for Sunday Ticket. Meaning, if this Sunday were a full schedule of NFL games, there would be no way for sports bars/restaurants to broadcast out of market games. The Sunday Ticket agreement is in-home only. Sports bars could potentially subscribe to YT and stream all the games, but how many sports bars have the current infrastructure already in place to stream games over the number of TVs they currently have? Not to mention, places in rural areas where the infrastructure for high-speed may not currently exist, but satellites work well.

DTV left the channels they designated for Sunday Ticket go dark for 7 months of the year, and 6 1/2 days out of the week. But they could afford to, as in-home and business subscribers still relied on DTV for all their television viewing. YT may be interested in having other content on these channels so they just don't sit there 95% of the time. Having a college conference package fills this void, not only on Saturday for football, but for all sports.

I forgot about YouTube Red. The fact that I forgot about YouTube Red is literally reason enough for me to never even humor the thought of partnering with YouTube to air our content.

azcat49 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 15, 2023 2:21 pm Ohio St just cancelled its games vs Washington in 24/25. Sounds like maybe this deck of cards is about to collapse? Coincidence?

Merkin wrote: ↑Wed Feb 15, 2023 3:08 pm Seems pretty simple, just one west coast trip a year to USC/UCLA. Along with an expanded CFP making it easier to get in.