Bear Down Wildcats

azgreg wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 5:28 pm

azcat49 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 7:28 pm Saw a tweet where it was said Fox is driving this merger so it’s about brand. And by brand, I mean football brand.

ESPIN drove the last round of realignment and this time it’s Fox. They vs will be selecting teams that fit their agenda, after all they are the ones paying for it

azgreg wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 8:18 pm

dmjcat wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 2:27 pm

Merkin wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 2:24 pm

AZCatGirl wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 2:05 pm My gut tells me Washington and Oregon will get into the Big 10 eventually. Just might take a few weeks longer.

Not sure if this is true or not, but if ND does decline, then I would think most certainly they are gone to the Big 10.

There might be a fly in the ointment for UW/UO joining the B1G

RichardCranium wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 4:37 am I do see a positive. Unless UA joins the B1G too Bruins will be less likely to post here.

RichardCranium wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 4:37 am I do see a positive. Unless UA joins the B1G too Bruins will be less likely to post here.

CalStateTempe wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 10:59 am Would never happen but arizona to SEC would be the tits from a basketball fandom perspective

Merkin wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:45 am Just brutal regarding Larry Scott, and well deserved.

CalStateTempe wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 12:15 pm Lol. Canzano changing his tune and beginning to come around to UO and UW to BIG.

We fucked.

PHXCATS wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 12:03 pm ACC has 15 currently but rumors are Florida St and Clemson and UNC are candidates to go to the SEC and Big Ten

Stanford
Oregon
Washington
Florida St
Clemson
Miami
Notre Dame
UNC
Baylor

I think those would all be more desired than UA solo

UA would never ever ever get into the Big Ten with asu. Big Ten is already fuming mad about Nebraska academically

CalStateTempe wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 12:59 pm I respect your opinion and agree on some parts, but I don’t the hardon for Uw.

Garbage football team, garbage basketball team, and the Phoenix market is bigger. Not sure I see the “ national reasoning” why they are better then a UofA asu package.

dmjcat wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 1:15 pm

CalStateTempe wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 12:59 pm I respect your opinion and agree on some parts, but I don’t the hardon for Uw.

Garbage football team, garbage basketball team, and the Phoenix market is bigger. Not sure I see the “ national reasoning” why they are better then a UofA asu package.

The UA isn't in Phoenix. And I would not count on a UA/asu package. In this game its every man/school for themselves.

The metro population of Seattle is north of 4 million.........Tucson around 1 million. I suspect Fox/ESPN value the Seattle market more than Tucson. I agree that UW has been garbage in everything recently but their football program has historically been better than the UA.

CalStateTempe wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 1:28 pm

dmjcat wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 1:15 pm

CalStateTempe wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 12:59 pm I respect your opinion and agree on some parts, but I don’t the hardon for Uw.

Garbage football team, garbage basketball team, and the Phoenix market is bigger. Not sure I see the “ national reasoning” why they are better then a UofA asu package.

The UA isn't in Phoenix. And I would not count on a UA/asu package. In this game its every man/school for themselves.

The metro population of Seattle is north of 4 million.........Tucson around 1 million. I suspect Fox/ESPN value the Seattle market more than Tucson. I agree that UW has been garbage in everything recently but their football program has historically been better than the UA.

ABOR doesn’t see it this way.

CalStateTempe wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 1:29 pm Also news flash, uofa grads populate all major west coast markets not just Tucson.

AzCatFan2 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 1:38 pm TV market size was paramount a decade ago. Today? With streaming options and less broadcast over the air only, TV eyeballs are becoming more and more important. And when it comes to eyeballs, Arizona has a good brand. Would be great if we had any semblance of a football program.

Washington and Oregon won't stay in a watered down PAC if all we do is add UNLV and SDSU. We would need to add more, like OK State and a big program from Texas, like Baylor. Add in TTech plus Boise St, which would mean watering down academic standards in the PAC, but that would be a 16 team PAC with some solid brands.

Right now, I think patience is needed. We need to try and hitch our wagon to Oregon and Washington if possible. They have more value to us than any school in the current iteration of the BIG 12. I also don't see Oregon and UW bolting for the BIG 12. BIG 10 calls, and they are gone.

We should also see what the Cougs and Beavs are doing. There is already proposed legislation in WA to keep WSU and UW in the same conference. Would make things interesting.

In the end, I don't see us being completely left out. Football is king, but compare Arizona football to ASu or Colorado, there isn't much of a difference. But throw in all other athletics that draw eyeballs, like men's and women's basketball, baseball, softball, etc., Arizona shines. And our academics aren't a drawback either.

With or without Notre Dame, one industry source doubted there was value for the Big Ten in inviting Oregon and/or Washington. That source went so far as to call the two schools "tweeners," not big enough to justify the $80 million-$100 million annual media rights fees but clearly better than other Pac-12 schools.

Think of Oregon and Washington more attractive to the Big 12 if the Pac-12 doesn't stick together. Speaking of that …

dmjcat wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 2:27 pm

AzCatFan2 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 1:38 pm TV market size was paramount a decade ago. Today? With streaming options and less broadcast over the air only, TV eyeballs are becoming more and more important. And when it comes to eyeballs, Arizona has a good brand. Would be great if we had any semblance of a football program.

Washington and Oregon won't stay in a watered down PAC if all we do is add UNLV and SDSU. We would need to add more, like OK State and a big program from Texas, like Baylor. Add in TTech plus Boise St, which would mean watering down academic standards in the PAC, but that would be a 16 team PAC with some solid brands.

Right now, I think patience is needed. We need to try and hitch our wagon to Oregon and Washington if possible. They have more value to us than any school in the current iteration of the BIG 12. I also don't see Oregon and UW bolting for the BIG 12. BIG 10 calls, and they are gone.

We should also see what the Cougs and Beavs are doing. There is already proposed legislation in WA to keep WSU and UW in the same conference. Would make things interesting.

In the end, I don't see us being completely left out. Football is king, but compare Arizona football to ASu or Colorado, there isn't much of a difference. But throw in all other athletics that draw eyeballs, like men's and women's basketball, baseball, softball, etc., Arizona shines. And our academics aren't a drawback either.

The UA doesn't drive TV eyeballs.........we consistently rank in the 60's or lower.

https://medium.com/run-it-back-with-zac ... c03c689e50

ESPN/FOX/ABC/CBS/NBC don't give a rats ass about womens basketball, baseball, and certainly not academics. Its all about the $$$$$$$

The current realignment is entirely driven by $$$$ Money $$$$$$. This a brutal money grab, pure and simple.

RondaeShimmy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 2:27 pm

With or without Notre Dame, one industry source doubted there was value for the Big Ten in inviting Oregon and/or Washington. That source went so far as to call the two schools "tweeners," not big enough to justify the $80 million-$100 million annual media rights fees but clearly better than other Pac-12 schools.

Think of Oregon and Washington more attractive to the Big 12 if the Pac-12 doesn't stick together. Speaking of that …

https://www.cbssports.com/college-footb ... n-playoff/

Yikes

I'm thinking if the two Arizona schools and the mountains secure their places in the big 12, Oregon and Washington would have to follow instead of waiting on the big ten. Could also lead to a merger of the two conferences like the article says.

RondaeShimmy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 2:27 pm

With or without Notre Dame, one industry source doubted there was value for the Big Ten in inviting Oregon and/or Washington. That source went so far as to call the two schools "tweeners," not big enough to justify the $80 million-$100 million annual media rights fees but clearly better than other Pac-12 schools.

Think of Oregon and Washington more attractive to the Big 12 if the Pac-12 doesn't stick together. Speaking of that …

https://www.cbssports.com/college-footb ... n-playoff/

Yikes

I'm thinking if the two Arizona schools and the mountains secure their places in the big 12, Oregon and Washington would have to follow instead of waiting on the big ten. Could also lead to a merger of the two conferences like the article says.