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Kansas is snow and cold flyover countryCalStateTempe wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:12 am Come to arizona and play Kansas, or go to ucla and slog through twice monthly 5-4day trips to snow and cold flyover country.
I can also see UW/UO not getting a B1G invite and instead going to the B12..........which then has two spots left to pick from among Utah/asu/ua/Col..........with the UA being the odd man out and nowhere to go but back to a glorified WAC/MWC.
You are wrong. UDUB had $133M total revenue vs. $102M for the UA
We're literally meeting with the big 12 tomorrowdmjcat wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 9:08 pmI can also see UW/UO not getting a B1G invite and instead going to the B12..........which then has two spots left to pick from among Utah/asu/ua/Col..........with the UA being the odd man out and nowhere to go but back to a glorified WAC/MWC.
I would rather see both UW/UO get picked up by the B1G. What we have here is a consolidation of CFB teams........with fewer power schools left over once this game of musical chairs ends. The UA needs a chair to sit down in. We are a long way from being in a good position.
You hope.RondaeShimmy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 9:36 pmWe're literally meeting with the big 12 tomorrowdmjcat wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 9:08 pmI can also see UW/UO not getting a B1G invite and instead going to the B12..........which then has two spots left to pick from among Utah/asu/ua/Col..........with the UA being the odd man out and nowhere to go but back to a glorified WAC/MWC.
I would rather see both UW/UO get picked up by the B1G. What we have here is a consolidation of CFB teams........with fewer power schools left over once this game of musical chairs ends. The UA needs a chair to sit down in. We are a long way from being in a good position.
In fact, we're more likely to leave the PAC first (w/ asu, Colorado and Utah) instead of Oregon and Washington, as they are waiting on ND
1) I never compared UA revenue to UW revenuedmjcat wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 9:31 pmYou are wrong. UDUB had $133M total revenue vs. $102M for the UA
https://www.collegefactual.com/colleges ... fe/sports/
https://www.collegefactual.com/colleges ... 20a%20loss.
Here's WSJ football revenue rankings from 2019........the UW is #19, the UA was #48
https://graphics.wsj.com/table/NCAA_2019
A meeting that is being hyped up so much because we're most likely moving to the Big 12 this week. You don't need to worry about us getting left out.
Kinda interesting but if the big 12 ends up w the 4 corner schools from the PAC, they're likely done expanding west and will most likely try to poach acc leftovers like Louisville, NC St, etc
They don't need both Furd and Cal and Cal is one step away from throwing their athletics department in the trash. Literally the only thing keeping them going is their debt on their football stadium.CalStateTempe wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 7:29 am Also, if we are talking purely market share…what’s to stop big from taking cal?
I have had that same feeling since about 1 millisecond after the USC/UCLA departure broke.
AlsoThe Big 12 is involved in deep discussions to add multiple Pac-12 programs as a way to shore up its membership in the wake of the USC and UCLA defection to the Big Ten, sources tell CBS Sports. At least four teams are being considered with the potential for the Big 12 to add more as realignment continues to shake out.
Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado and Utah were mentioned specifically as the teams being targeted by the Big 12, sources tell CBS Sports. There is also consideration of adding Oregon and Washington to make the Big 12 an 18-team league, the largest in the FBS.
The Bay Area schools are the perfect example of the decline of college football attendance. Stanford Stadium once hosted the Super Bowl, and in 1935 set a then record attendance of 94,000 for the Big Game v. Cal. Normal capacity was 85,500. Capacity of the new stadium is 50,400. Now they can't even sell out any game, and that with students getting free attendance. They did their new stadium right, cost was only $90M.ChooChooCat wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 9:04 amThey don't need both Furd and Cal and Cal is one step away from throwing their athletics department in the trash. Literally the only thing keeping them going is their debt on their football stadium.CalStateTempe wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 7:29 am Also, if we are talking purely market share…what’s to stop big from taking cal?
I don’t disagree, but Cal get you all of northern California including Central Valley and Sacramento.ChooChooCat wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 9:04 amThey don't need both Furd and Cal and Cal is one step away from throwing their athletics department in the trash. Literally the only thing keeping them going is their debt on their football stadium.CalStateTempe wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 7:29 am Also, if we are talking purely market share…what’s to stop big from taking cal?
Are you always wet blanket or just on this message board?dmjcat wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 9:14 amI have had that same feeling since about 1 millisecond after the USC/UCLA departure broke.
My primary fear is that the B1G doesn't take UO/UW......and then the B12 does.
To get to 16 teams the B12 then has to pick 2 teams amongst UA/asu/Utah/Col. We may very well not be in the top 2 in that group.
Not a wet blanket........but a realist.CalStateTempe wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 9:57 amAre you always wet blanket or just on this message board?dmjcat wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 9:14 amI have had that same feeling since about 1 millisecond after the USC/UCLA departure broke.
My primary fear is that the B1G doesn't take UO/UW......and then the B12 does.
To get to 16 teams the B12 then has to pick 2 teams amongst UA/asu/Utah/Col. We may very well not be in the top 2 in that group.
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It comes down to what's more valuable to a conference? Maybe 100,000 viewers in October and November, when overall viewership is already at its peak? Or an extra 100,000 eyeballs once the calendar flips years, especially at the end of the academic calendar year, when viewership dips.AzCatFan2 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 11:57 am When it comes to pecking orders, clearly Oregon and Washington are above Arizona. But as compared to Utah, Colorado, and ASu, Arizona offers a better chance to diversify the portfolio than the others. Our football revenue and eyeballs aren't that far behind ASu, Colorado, and Utah, but what Arizona has that they don't are consistently strong spring and summer athletics. While you aren't going to see Arizona football primetime in September, you aren't going to see too many primetime ASu or Colorado games either. Or Utah, despite their recent success. But come January and February, which school is your headliner for both men's and women's basketball? How about April or May, when the conference network is promoting a big baseball or softball series?
It comes down to what's more valuable to a conference? Maybe 100,000 viewers in October and November, when overall viewership is already at its peak? Or an extra 100,000 eyeballs once the calendar flips years, especially at the end of the academic calendar year, when viewership dips.
Football is king. But is there really much of a difference between Arizona and ASu football? No, and how often has both fan bases lamented that we've been confused for one-another.
If Oregon and UW come with us, Utah, Colorado, and ASu to the BIG 12, we should jump at the opportunity. But I don't see Oregon settling for the BIG 12. They have their eyes set on the BIG 10. I also wouldn't count out the SEC thinking they may need to follow the BIG 10 and add some west coast viewers. If there is going to be just two big conferences, the SEC needs to act soon to get what's best left in the west. And they could gobble up some of the better PAC programs left. And the SEC certainly understands the value of a school with marginal football but great basketball (Kentucky).
If the number was 500,000 eyeballs, you are correct. But there's good reason why ASu and Arizona games are the last ones selected, and are often the 7:30 pm or 8:00 pm starts. The extra ad revenue a network may generate if there are 12,000 eyeballs on the last game of the evening on Conference Network TV is minimal. ESPN and Fox certainly don't care. By the time our games kickoff, they have already made their money.dmjcat wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 12:02 pmIt comes down to what's more valuable to a conference? Maybe 100,000 viewers in October and November, when overall viewership is already at its peak? Or an extra 100,000 eyeballs once the calendar flips years, especially at the end of the academic calendar year, when viewership dips.AzCatFan2 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 11:57 am When it comes to pecking orders, clearly Oregon and Washington are above Arizona. But as compared to Utah, Colorado, and ASu, Arizona offers a better chance to diversify the portfolio than the others. Our football revenue and eyeballs aren't that far behind ASu, Colorado, and Utah, but what Arizona has that they don't are consistently strong spring and summer athletics. While you aren't going to see Arizona football primetime in September, you aren't going to see too many primetime ASu or Colorado games either. Or Utah, despite their recent success. But come January and February, which school is your headliner for both men's and women's basketball? How about April or May, when the conference network is promoting a big baseball or softball series?
It comes down to what's more valuable to a conference? Maybe 100,000 viewers in October and November, when overall viewership is already at its peak? Or an extra 100,000 eyeballs once the calendar flips years, especially at the end of the academic calendar year, when viewership dips.
Football is king. But is there really much of a difference between Arizona and ASu football? No, and how often has both fan bases lamented that we've been confused for one-another.
If Oregon and UW come with us, Utah, Colorado, and ASu to the BIG 12, we should jump at the opportunity. But I don't see Oregon settling for the BIG 12. They have their eyes set on the BIG 10. I also wouldn't count out the SEC thinking they may need to follow the BIG 10 and add some west coast viewers. If there is going to be just two big conferences, the SEC needs to act soon to get what's best left in the west. And they could gobble up some of the better PAC programs left. And the SEC certainly understands the value of a school with marginal football but great basketball (Kentucky).
The 100,00 eyeballs during football season, and its not even close. Football has 4x the revenue of basketball and more revenue than the next 35 sports combined.
You keep bringing up the eyeballs but don't seem to understand the economics. Football is king.....the vast majority of the revenue is from football and thats why nobody (including ESPN/Fox/CBS, etc.) gives a rats ass about all of the spring sports. The football revenue is whats driving the conference realignments....NOT eyeballs in spring.AzCatFan2 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 12:21 pmIf the number was 500,000 eyeballs, you are correct. But there's good reason why ASu and Arizona games are the last ones selected, and are often the 7:30 pm or 8:00 pm starts. The extra ad revenue a network may generate if there are 12,000 eyeballs on the last game of the evening on Conference Network TV is minimal. ESPN and Fox certainly don't care. By the time our games kickoff, they have already made their money.dmjcat wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 12:02 pmIt comes down to what's more valuable to a conference? Maybe 100,000 viewers in October and November, when overall viewership is already at its peak? Or an extra 100,000 eyeballs once the calendar flips years, especially at the end of the academic calendar year, when viewership dips.AzCatFan2 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 11:57 am When it comes to pecking orders, clearly Oregon and Washington are above Arizona. But as compared to Utah, Colorado, and ASu, Arizona offers a better chance to diversify the portfolio than the others. Our football revenue and eyeballs aren't that far behind ASu, Colorado, and Utah, but what Arizona has that they don't are consistently strong spring and summer athletics. While you aren't going to see Arizona football primetime in September, you aren't going to see too many primetime ASu or Colorado games either. Or Utah, despite their recent success. But come January and February, which school is your headliner for both men's and women's basketball? How about April or May, when the conference network is promoting a big baseball or softball series?
It comes down to what's more valuable to a conference? Maybe 100,000 viewers in October and November, when overall viewership is already at its peak? Or an extra 100,000 eyeballs once the calendar flips years, especially at the end of the academic calendar year, when viewership dips.
Football is king. But is there really much of a difference between Arizona and ASu football? No, and how often has both fan bases lamented that we've been confused for one-another.
If Oregon and UW come with us, Utah, Colorado, and ASu to the BIG 12, we should jump at the opportunity. But I don't see Oregon settling for the BIG 12. They have their eyes set on the BIG 10. I also wouldn't count out the SEC thinking they may need to follow the BIG 10 and add some west coast viewers. If there is going to be just two big conferences, the SEC needs to act soon to get what's best left in the west. And they could gobble up some of the better PAC programs left. And the SEC certainly understands the value of a school with marginal football but great basketball (Kentucky).
The 100,00 eyeballs during football season, and its not even close. Football has 4x the revenue of basketball and more revenue than the next 35 sports combined.
But January through June, these extra eyeballs have some value. The few extra eyeballs during a football game barely moves the needle, because again, the big games of the day are the money makers. But football season is only 4 months out of the year, and TV networks need 12 months of content. And need to sell advertising to make money 12 months out of the year. So ask yourself, what's more valuable to ESPN. 10,000 extra eyeballs for a football game they aren't likely going to broadcast, and if they do, it would be on ESPNU, last time slot of the day? Or an extra 10,000 eyeballs for a marquee basketball game in February, broadcast in a prime time slot?
Football is king. And when it comes to football, programs like Arizona, ASu, Colorado, and Utah are all in the same boat. It's why we aren't first choices when it comes to conference expansion. But don't discount the other sports in the spring. Kentucky is a valuable member of the SEC, despite having a poor to middling football team for decades. Why? Because Kentucky makes the SEC relevant in the Spring. And ESPN spends plenty of money promoting Kentucky basketball once the calendar changes years. If ESPN didn't expect a ROI, do they spend all that money promoting big time college basketball programs?dmjcat wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 12:24 pmYou keep bringing up the eyeballs but don't seem to understand the economics. Football is king.....the vast majority of the revenue is from football and thats why nobody (including ESPN/Fox/CBS, etc.) gives a rats ass about all of the spring sports. The football revenue is whats driving the conference realignments....NOT eyeballs in spring.AzCatFan2 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 12:21 pmIf the number was 500,000 eyeballs, you are correct. But there's good reason why ASu and Arizona games are the last ones selected, and are often the 7:30 pm or 8:00 pm starts. The extra ad revenue a network may generate if there are 12,000 eyeballs on the last game of the evening on Conference Network TV is minimal. ESPN and Fox certainly don't care. By the time our games kickoff, they have already made their money.dmjcat wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 12:02 pmIt comes down to what's more valuable to a conference? Maybe 100,000 viewers in October and November, when overall viewership is already at its peak? Or an extra 100,000 eyeballs once the calendar flips years, especially at the end of the academic calendar year, when viewership dips.AzCatFan2 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 11:57 am When it comes to pecking orders, clearly Oregon and Washington are above Arizona. But as compared to Utah, Colorado, and ASu, Arizona offers a better chance to diversify the portfolio than the others. Our football revenue and eyeballs aren't that far behind ASu, Colorado, and Utah, but what Arizona has that they don't are consistently strong spring and summer athletics. While you aren't going to see Arizona football primetime in September, you aren't going to see too many primetime ASu or Colorado games either. Or Utah, despite their recent success. But come January and February, which school is your headliner for both men's and women's basketball? How about April or May, when the conference network is promoting a big baseball or softball series?
It comes down to what's more valuable to a conference? Maybe 100,000 viewers in October and November, when overall viewership is already at its peak? Or an extra 100,000 eyeballs once the calendar flips years, especially at the end of the academic calendar year, when viewership dips.
Football is king. But is there really much of a difference between Arizona and ASu football? No, and how often has both fan bases lamented that we've been confused for one-another.
If Oregon and UW come with us, Utah, Colorado, and ASu to the BIG 12, we should jump at the opportunity. But I don't see Oregon settling for the BIG 12. They have their eyes set on the BIG 10. I also wouldn't count out the SEC thinking they may need to follow the BIG 10 and add some west coast viewers. If there is going to be just two big conferences, the SEC needs to act soon to get what's best left in the west. And they could gobble up some of the better PAC programs left. And the SEC certainly understands the value of a school with marginal football but great basketball (Kentucky).
The 100,00 eyeballs during football season, and its not even close. Football has 4x the revenue of basketball and more revenue than the next 35 sports combined.
But January through June, these extra eyeballs have some value. The few extra eyeballs during a football game barely moves the needle, because again, the big games of the day are the money makers. But football season is only 4 months out of the year, and TV networks need 12 months of content. And need to sell advertising to make money 12 months out of the year. So ask yourself, what's more valuable to ESPN. 10,000 extra eyeballs for a football game they aren't likely going to broadcast, and if they do, it would be on ESPNU, last time slot of the day? Or an extra 10,000 eyeballs for a marquee basketball game in February, broadcast in a prime time slot?
The differences in spring sports revenue are far more "minimal" than the football differences. Again, football accounts for around 80% of total revenue and thats why AZ is ranked below most of the teams mentioned........and thats not my opinion. Its the opinion of the media outlets (Fox/ESPN) that are driving the re-alignment.AzCatFan2 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 12:38 pmFootball is king. And when it comes to football, programs like Arizona, ASu, Colorado, and Utah are all in the same boat. It's why we aren't first choices when it comes to conference expansion. But don't discount the other sports in the spring. Kentucky is a valuable member of the SEC, despite having a poor to middling football team for decades. Why? Because Kentucky makes the SEC relevant in the Spring. And ESPN spends plenty of money promoting Kentucky basketball once the calendar changes years. If ESPN didn't expect a ROI, do they spend all that money promoting big time college basketball programs?dmjcat wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 12:24 pmYou keep bringing up the eyeballs but don't seem to understand the economics. Football is king.....the vast majority of the revenue is from football and thats why nobody (including ESPN/Fox/CBS, etc.) gives a rats ass about all of the spring sports. The football revenue is whats driving the conference realignments....NOT eyeballs in spring.AzCatFan2 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 12:21 pmIf the number was 500,000 eyeballs, you are correct. But there's good reason why ASu and Arizona games are the last ones selected, and are often the 7:30 pm or 8:00 pm starts. The extra ad revenue a network may generate if there are 12,000 eyeballs on the last game of the evening on Conference Network TV is minimal. ESPN and Fox certainly don't care. By the time our games kickoff, they have already made their money.dmjcat wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 12:02 pmIt comes down to what's more valuable to a conference? Maybe 100,000 viewers in October and November, when overall viewership is already at its peak? Or an extra 100,000 eyeballs once the calendar flips years, especially at the end of the academic calendar year, when viewership dips.AzCatFan2 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 11:57 am When it comes to pecking orders, clearly Oregon and Washington are above Arizona. But as compared to Utah, Colorado, and ASu, Arizona offers a better chance to diversify the portfolio than the others. Our football revenue and eyeballs aren't that far behind ASu, Colorado, and Utah, but what Arizona has that they don't are consistently strong spring and summer athletics. While you aren't going to see Arizona football primetime in September, you aren't going to see too many primetime ASu or Colorado games either. Or Utah, despite their recent success. But come January and February, which school is your headliner for both men's and women's basketball? How about April or May, when the conference network is promoting a big baseball or softball series?
It comes down to what's more valuable to a conference? Maybe 100,000 viewers in October and November, when overall viewership is already at its peak? Or an extra 100,000 eyeballs once the calendar flips years, especially at the end of the academic calendar year, when viewership dips.
Football is king. But is there really much of a difference between Arizona and ASu football? No, and how often has both fan bases lamented that we've been confused for one-another.
If Oregon and UW come with us, Utah, Colorado, and ASu to the BIG 12, we should jump at the opportunity. But I don't see Oregon settling for the BIG 12. They have their eyes set on the BIG 10. I also wouldn't count out the SEC thinking they may need to follow the BIG 10 and add some west coast viewers. If there is going to be just two big conferences, the SEC needs to act soon to get what's best left in the west. And they could gobble up some of the better PAC programs left. And the SEC certainly understands the value of a school with marginal football but great basketball (Kentucky).
The 100,00 eyeballs during football season, and its not even close. Football has 4x the revenue of basketball and more revenue than the next 35 sports combined.
But January through June, these extra eyeballs have some value. The few extra eyeballs during a football game barely moves the needle, because again, the big games of the day are the money makers. But football season is only 4 months out of the year, and TV networks need 12 months of content. And need to sell advertising to make money 12 months out of the year. So ask yourself, what's more valuable to ESPN. 10,000 extra eyeballs for a football game they aren't likely going to broadcast, and if they do, it would be on ESPNU, last time slot of the day? Or an extra 10,000 eyeballs for a marquee basketball game in February, broadcast in a prime time slot?
Arizona is part of the football also-rans. A network isn't going to spend big money on promoting Arizona vs. California football. Just like they aren't going to promote Cal-Colorado. No ROI. Sure, if a conference picks Colorado over Arizona, they may get a few extra eyeballs in the fall on ESPNU, 11:00 PM EST start. But that's not prime TV real estate, and not a big money maker for the TV network.
But 4:00 PM EST Saturday in February, and Arizona Basketball is playing, and we're top 10 like we were last year, that's prime TV real estate, and will get plenty of promotion. Again, it comes down to which has more value to a TV network. Last game of the day, on ESPNU or Conference Network, that starts when most of the East coast is in bed, and the biggest games of the day are long over? Or a Game of the Week basketball game that is being promoted as the biggest game of the week in February. Following the marketing dollars. The also-ran football game gets no promo time, except for maybe listed on a slate of games at the bottom. The basketball game? Gets plenty of promotion.
Football is king, and compare Arizona with USC or Oregon, and what they bring on Saturday in the Fall far outpaces anything Arizona has to offer. But compare us with ASu or Colorado? The football differences are minimal. But the spring difference are not, and they are in our favor.
Sure. Compare Arizona with any of the top 35 revenue generating programs in football and we can't offer anything in the spring to compare. But the next 35 football programs? In terms of revenue and eyeballs, not much of a difference. So if you're ESPN, and all the top 35 football programs are taken up in long-term contracts, who has more value to you? The 45th best football team, with spring sports to match? Or the 55th best football program, but top 10 in all springs sports? The answer is the latter.dmjcat wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 12:42 pmThe differences in spring sports revenue are far more "minimal" than the football differences. Again, football accounts for around 80% of total revenue and thats why AZ is ranked below most of the teams mentioned........and thats not my opinion. Its the opinion of the media outlets (Fox/ESPN) that are driving the re-alignment.AzCatFan2 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 12:38 pmFootball is king. And when it comes to football, programs like Arizona, ASu, Colorado, and Utah are all in the same boat. It's why we aren't first choices when it comes to conference expansion. But don't discount the other sports in the spring. Kentucky is a valuable member of the SEC, despite having a poor to middling football team for decades. Why? Because Kentucky makes the SEC relevant in the Spring. And ESPN spends plenty of money promoting Kentucky basketball once the calendar changes years. If ESPN didn't expect a ROI, do they spend all that money promoting big time college basketball programs?dmjcat wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 12:24 pmYou keep bringing up the eyeballs but don't seem to understand the economics. Football is king.....the vast majority of the revenue is from football and thats why nobody (including ESPN/Fox/CBS, etc.) gives a rats ass about all of the spring sports. The football revenue is whats driving the conference realignments....NOT eyeballs in spring.AzCatFan2 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 12:21 pmIf the number was 500,000 eyeballs, you are correct. But there's good reason why ASu and Arizona games are the last ones selected, and are often the 7:30 pm or 8:00 pm starts. The extra ad revenue a network may generate if there are 12,000 eyeballs on the last game of the evening on Conference Network TV is minimal. ESPN and Fox certainly don't care. By the time our games kickoff, they have already made their money.dmjcat wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 12:02 pm
It comes down to what's more valuable to a conference? Maybe 100,000 viewers in October and November, when overall viewership is already at its peak? Or an extra 100,000 eyeballs once the calendar flips years, especially at the end of the academic calendar year, when viewership dips.
The 100,00 eyeballs during football season, and its not even close. Football has 4x the revenue of basketball and more revenue than the next 35 sports combined.
But January through June, these extra eyeballs have some value. The few extra eyeballs during a football game barely moves the needle, because again, the big games of the day are the money makers. But football season is only 4 months out of the year, and TV networks need 12 months of content. And need to sell advertising to make money 12 months out of the year. So ask yourself, what's more valuable to ESPN. 10,000 extra eyeballs for a football game they aren't likely going to broadcast, and if they do, it would be on ESPNU, last time slot of the day? Or an extra 10,000 eyeballs for a marquee basketball game in February, broadcast in a prime time slot?
Arizona is part of the football also-rans. A network isn't going to spend big money on promoting Arizona vs. California football. Just like they aren't going to promote Cal-Colorado. No ROI. Sure, if a conference picks Colorado over Arizona, they may get a few extra eyeballs in the fall on ESPNU, 11:00 PM EST start. But that's not prime TV real estate, and not a big money maker for the TV network.
But 4:00 PM EST Saturday in February, and Arizona Basketball is playing, and we're top 10 like we were last year, that's prime TV real estate, and will get plenty of promotion. Again, it comes down to which has more value to a TV network. Last game of the day, on ESPNU or Conference Network, that starts when most of the East coast is in bed, and the biggest games of the day are long over? Or a Game of the Week basketball game that is being promoted as the biggest game of the week in February. Following the marketing dollars. The also-ran football game gets no promo time, except for maybe listed on a slate of games at the bottom. The basketball game? Gets plenty of promotion.
Football is king, and compare Arizona with USC or Oregon, and what they bring on Saturday in the Fall far outpaces anything Arizona has to offer. But compare us with ASu or Colorado? The football differences are minimal. But the spring difference are not, and they are in our favor.
ESPN/Fox/Networks don't agree with you.AzCatFan2 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 12:58 pmSure. Compare Arizona with any of the top 35 revenue generating programs in football and we can't offer anything in the spring to compare. But the next 35 football programs? In terms of revenue and eyeballs, not much of a difference. So if you're ESPN, and all the top 35 football programs are taken up in long-term contracts, who has more value to you? The 45th best football team, with spring sports to match? Or the 55th best football program, but top 10 in all springs sports? The answer is the latter.dmjcat wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 12:42 pmThe differences in spring sports revenue are far more "minimal" than the football differences. Again, football accounts for around 80% of total revenue and thats why AZ is ranked below most of the teams mentioned........and thats not my opinion. Its the opinion of the media outlets (Fox/ESPN) that are driving the re-alignment.AzCatFan2 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 12:38 pmFootball is king. And when it comes to football, programs like Arizona, ASu, Colorado, and Utah are all in the same boat. It's why we aren't first choices when it comes to conference expansion. But don't discount the other sports in the spring. Kentucky is a valuable member of the SEC, despite having a poor to middling football team for decades. Why? Because Kentucky makes the SEC relevant in the Spring. And ESPN spends plenty of money promoting Kentucky basketball once the calendar changes years. If ESPN didn't expect a ROI, do they spend all that money promoting big time college basketball programs?dmjcat wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 12:24 pmYou keep bringing up the eyeballs but don't seem to understand the economics. Football is king.....the vast majority of the revenue is from football and thats why nobody (including ESPN/Fox/CBS, etc.) gives a rats ass about all of the spring sports. The football revenue is whats driving the conference realignments....NOT eyeballs in spring.AzCatFan2 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 12:21 pm
If the number was 500,000 eyeballs, you are correct. But there's good reason why ASu and Arizona games are the last ones selected, and are often the 7:30 pm or 8:00 pm starts. The extra ad revenue a network may generate if there are 12,000 eyeballs on the last game of the evening on Conference Network TV is minimal. ESPN and Fox certainly don't care. By the time our games kickoff, they have already made their money.
But January through June, these extra eyeballs have some value. The few extra eyeballs during a football game barely moves the needle, because again, the big games of the day are the money makers. But football season is only 4 months out of the year, and TV networks need 12 months of content. And need to sell advertising to make money 12 months out of the year. So ask yourself, what's more valuable to ESPN. 10,000 extra eyeballs for a football game they aren't likely going to broadcast, and if they do, it would be on ESPNU, last time slot of the day? Or an extra 10,000 eyeballs for a marquee basketball game in February, broadcast in a prime time slot?
Arizona is part of the football also-rans. A network isn't going to spend big money on promoting Arizona vs. California football. Just like they aren't going to promote Cal-Colorado. No ROI. Sure, if a conference picks Colorado over Arizona, they may get a few extra eyeballs in the fall on ESPNU, 11:00 PM EST start. But that's not prime TV real estate, and not a big money maker for the TV network.
But 4:00 PM EST Saturday in February, and Arizona Basketball is playing, and we're top 10 like we were last year, that's prime TV real estate, and will get plenty of promotion. Again, it comes down to which has more value to a TV network. Last game of the day, on ESPNU or Conference Network, that starts when most of the East coast is in bed, and the biggest games of the day are long over? Or a Game of the Week basketball game that is being promoted as the biggest game of the week in February. Following the marketing dollars. The also-ran football game gets no promo time, except for maybe listed on a slate of games at the bottom. The basketball game? Gets plenty of promotion.
Football is king, and compare Arizona with USC or Oregon, and what they bring on Saturday in the Fall far outpaces anything Arizona has to offer. But compare us with ASu or Colorado? The football differences are minimal. But the spring difference are not, and they are in our favor.
You are not spending significant time and money promoting the 45th best football team over the 55th. Both teams are empty calories, and the meat and potatoes are the top programs. The only way the 45th or 55th best team gets prime tv in the fall is if they are playing one of the big guys. Football may be 80%, but programs 45 and 55 don't have enough the pie to significantly move the needle.
But a school that is top 10 in spring sports to fill out a conference has some value to the TV networks. This is a school the network can ignore in the fall, but promote the hell out of in the spring. Versus say ASu. Think they will ever get top billing in football? Or in the spring?
Actually, they do. Which cost more for a 30 second commercial. A 11:00 PM Eastern spot on ESPNU in the Fall? Or a 4:00 PM Eastern spot on ESPN in the Spring?dmjcat wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 1:01 pmESPN/Fox/Networks don't agree with you.AzCatFan2 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 12:58 pmSure. Compare Arizona with any of the top 35 revenue generating programs in football and we can't offer anything in the spring to compare. But the next 35 football programs? In terms of revenue and eyeballs, not much of a difference. So if you're ESPN, and all the top 35 football programs are taken up in long-term contracts, who has more value to you? The 45th best football team, with spring sports to match? Or the 55th best football program, but top 10 in all springs sports? The answer is the latter.dmjcat wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 12:42 pmThe differences in spring sports revenue are far more "minimal" than the football differences. Again, football accounts for around 80% of total revenue and thats why AZ is ranked below most of the teams mentioned........and thats not my opinion. Its the opinion of the media outlets (Fox/ESPN) that are driving the re-alignment.AzCatFan2 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 12:38 pmFootball is king. And when it comes to football, programs like Arizona, ASu, Colorado, and Utah are all in the same boat. It's why we aren't first choices when it comes to conference expansion. But don't discount the other sports in the spring. Kentucky is a valuable member of the SEC, despite having a poor to middling football team for decades. Why? Because Kentucky makes the SEC relevant in the Spring. And ESPN spends plenty of money promoting Kentucky basketball once the calendar changes years. If ESPN didn't expect a ROI, do they spend all that money promoting big time college basketball programs?dmjcat wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 12:24 pm
You keep bringing up the eyeballs but don't seem to understand the economics. Football is king.....the vast majority of the revenue is from football and thats why nobody (including ESPN/Fox/CBS, etc.) gives a rats ass about all of the spring sports. The football revenue is whats driving the conference realignments....NOT eyeballs in spring.
Arizona is part of the football also-rans. A network isn't going to spend big money on promoting Arizona vs. California football. Just like they aren't going to promote Cal-Colorado. No ROI. Sure, if a conference picks Colorado over Arizona, they may get a few extra eyeballs in the fall on ESPNU, 11:00 PM EST start. But that's not prime TV real estate, and not a big money maker for the TV network.
But 4:00 PM EST Saturday in February, and Arizona Basketball is playing, and we're top 10 like we were last year, that's prime TV real estate, and will get plenty of promotion. Again, it comes down to which has more value to a TV network. Last game of the day, on ESPNU or Conference Network, that starts when most of the East coast is in bed, and the biggest games of the day are long over? Or a Game of the Week basketball game that is being promoted as the biggest game of the week in February. Following the marketing dollars. The also-ran football game gets no promo time, except for maybe listed on a slate of games at the bottom. The basketball game? Gets plenty of promotion.
Football is king, and compare Arizona with USC or Oregon, and what they bring on Saturday in the Fall far outpaces anything Arizona has to offer. But compare us with ASu or Colorado? The football differences are minimal. But the spring difference are not, and they are in our favor.
You are not spending significant time and money promoting the 45th best football team over the 55th. Both teams are empty calories, and the meat and potatoes are the top programs. The only way the 45th or 55th best team gets prime tv in the fall is if they are playing one of the big guys. Football may be 80%, but programs 45 and 55 don't have enough the pie to significantly move the needle.
But a school that is top 10 in spring sports to fill out a conference has some value to the TV networks. This is a school the network can ignore in the fall, but promote the hell out of in the spring. Versus say ASu. Think they will ever get top billing in football? Or in the spring?
What is the average viewership of U of A softball in the regular season on espn? How many millions of people?AzCatFan2 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 1:23 pmActually, they do. Which cost more for a 30 second commercial. A 11:00 PM Eastern spot on ESPNU in the Fall? Or a 4:00 PM Eastern spot on ESPN in the Spring?dmjcat wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 1:01 pmESPN/Fox/Networks don't agree with you.AzCatFan2 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 12:58 pmSure. Compare Arizona with any of the top 35 revenue generating programs in football and we can't offer anything in the spring to compare. But the next 35 football programs? In terms of revenue and eyeballs, not much of a difference. So if you're ESPN, and all the top 35 football programs are taken up in long-term contracts, who has more value to you? The 45th best football team, with spring sports to match? Or the 55th best football program, but top 10 in all springs sports? The answer is the latter.dmjcat wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 12:42 pmThe differences in spring sports revenue are far more "minimal" than the football differences. Again, football accounts for around 80% of total revenue and thats why AZ is ranked below most of the teams mentioned........and thats not my opinion. Its the opinion of the media outlets (Fox/ESPN) that are driving the re-alignment.AzCatFan2 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 12:38 pm
Football is king. And when it comes to football, programs like Arizona, ASu, Colorado, and Utah are all in the same boat. It's why we aren't first choices when it comes to conference expansion. But don't discount the other sports in the spring. Kentucky is a valuable member of the SEC, despite having a poor to middling football team for decades. Why? Because Kentucky makes the SEC relevant in the Spring. And ESPN spends plenty of money promoting Kentucky basketball once the calendar changes years. If ESPN didn't expect a ROI, do they spend all that money promoting big time college basketball programs?
Arizona is part of the football also-rans. A network isn't going to spend big money on promoting Arizona vs. California football. Just like they aren't going to promote Cal-Colorado. No ROI. Sure, if a conference picks Colorado over Arizona, they may get a few extra eyeballs in the fall on ESPNU, 11:00 PM EST start. But that's not prime TV real estate, and not a big money maker for the TV network.
But 4:00 PM EST Saturday in February, and Arizona Basketball is playing, and we're top 10 like we were last year, that's prime TV real estate, and will get plenty of promotion. Again, it comes down to which has more value to a TV network. Last game of the day, on ESPNU or Conference Network, that starts when most of the East coast is in bed, and the biggest games of the day are long over? Or a Game of the Week basketball game that is being promoted as the biggest game of the week in February. Following the marketing dollars. The also-ran football game gets no promo time, except for maybe listed on a slate of games at the bottom. The basketball game? Gets plenty of promotion.
Football is king, and compare Arizona with USC or Oregon, and what they bring on Saturday in the Fall far outpaces anything Arizona has to offer. But compare us with ASu or Colorado? The football differences are minimal. But the spring difference are not, and they are in our favor.
You are not spending significant time and money promoting the 45th best football team over the 55th. Both teams are empty calories, and the meat and potatoes are the top programs. The only way the 45th or 55th best team gets prime tv in the fall is if they are playing one of the big guys. Football may be 80%, but programs 45 and 55 don't have enough the pie to significantly move the needle.
But a school that is top 10 in spring sports to fill out a conference has some value to the TV networks. This is a school the network can ignore in the fall, but promote the hell out of in the spring. Versus say ASu. Think they will ever get top billing in football? Or in the spring?
The first round of expansions have involved the top tiers in football. They are most valuable. The football also-rans will be lumped into the next group. And Arizona has a lot to offer, because our percentage we can garner from the 20% for spring sports is more valuable than the miniscule percentages of the 80% schools like Arizona and Colorado have when it comes to football.