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Boivin: The mystery surrounding Arizona's Allonzo Trier
Paola Boivin , azcentral sports 3:59 p.m. MST October 22, 2016

What started out as a swirling mess of rumors the past few weeks turned into a full-fledged news story at Pac-12 basketball media day.

http://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/h ... /92586750/" target="_blank

What does pitts have to do with anything. And the random other sports info. She is a terrible writer.

Gilbertcat wrote:What does pitts have to do with anything. And the random other sports info. She is a terrible writer.

Yeah but maybe she smells good and always remembers to clear her home's roof gutters and that kind of stuff.

Well, it's not a PED...

luteformayor2 wrote:Well, it's not a PED...

Is that what they're reporting on PGU?

Chicat wrote:

luteformayor2 wrote:Well, it's not a PED...

Is that what they're reporting on PGU?

Nope. Fuck PGU.

luteformayor2 wrote:Well, it's not a PED...

Weed?

Beachcat97 wrote:

luteformayor2 wrote:Well, it's not a PED...

Weed?

Crack?

I've heard it's grades. Anybody else?

wyo-cat wrote:I've heard it's grades. Anybody else?

Would kind of line up with the Miles Simon comment.

Grades would be good news, as that would likely only be a suspension through the Fall '16 term. He could be eligible by January.

But I thought I saw someone post (97 cats?) not academic?

How would grades even make sense? This issue arose like a month into fall semester.

CalStateTempe wrote:But I thought I saw someone post (97 cats?) not academic?

From page 14 of this thread:

97cats wrote:from the very little I know, Its not assault or a girl or drugs (coke, weed, molly, etc.) or driving related or breaking the law or academic.

So not PEDs, not grades, not criminal...what does that even leave?

Trier has had one of the more notorious high school careers ever. He may never have stayed at ANY school longer than than a year starting in fifth grade. The New York Tines published an article about Trier, his mom and his travails focusing on his academics as much as his basketball.

It would make sense that academic problems would show their face--for Trier-- at any public institution during his second year, especially given that the second year was one Trier had never seen himself undergoing as he assumed he'd be in the NBA.

Academics is also an area that the Athletic Department might think they'd be able to "navigate." Of course that depends on the exact problem, the school's integrity, and the like.

Hank of sb wrote:Trier has had one of the more notorious high school careers ever. He may never have stayed at ANY school longer than than a year starting in fifth grade. The New York Tines published an article about Trier, his mom and his travails focusing on his academics as much as his basketball.

It would make sense that academic problems would show their face--for Trier-- at any public institution during his second year, especially given that the second year was one Trier had never seen himself undergoing as he assumed he'd be in the NBA.

Academics is also an area that the Athletic Department might think they'd be able to "navigate." Of course that depends on the exact problem, the school's integrity, and the like.

I thought we covered that it's not academics.

"Covered?" Well maybe. However, that's not the word I'd chose.

Still seems possible--academics, that is, especially since it was brought up--and especially since we've been told the AD and Miller feel they can navigate/mitigate/backstory the issue.

Like all of us I've wrestled with this issue; if PEDS were the problem, as in performance PEDS, then I can't see a way forward.

Hence, maybe just maybe it's a university problem, like a serious academic issue.

UNC doesn't have a problem "navigating" their academics for basketball.

Maybe Trier didn't do so hot in some summer school/remediation, and now its coming back to bite him. Just speculation on my part with no context/contacts whatsoever.

Beachcat97 wrote:So not PEDs, not grades, not criminal...what does that even leave?

An argument with a teammate or staff member?

I'm still concerned it involved a wheel of hard cheese.

Beachcat97 wrote:

Hank of sb wrote:Trier has had one of the more notorious high school careers ever. He may never have stayed at ANY school longer than than a year starting in fifth grade. The New York Tines published an article about Trier, his mom and his travails focusing on his academics as much as his basketball.

It would make sense that academic problems would show their face--for Trier-- at any public institution during his second year, especially given that the second year was one Trier had never seen himself undergoing as he assumed he'd be in the NBA.

Academics is also an area that the Athletic Department might think they'd be able to "navigate." Of course that depends on the exact problem, the school's integrity, and the like.

I thought we covered that it's not academics.

All speculation thus far. No official word (here) yet. Guess that's good news?

I thought it was pretty well accepted that it was a banned substance that he took that came up in a drug test, potentially an internal UA one but seemingly most likely an NCAA one. There is an appeal process and that's likely where we're at. That's what I've been able to piece together thus far.

Maybe he killed 5 hookers.

97cats wrote:from the very little I know, Its not assault or a girl or drugs (coke, weed, molly, etc.) or driving related or breaking the law or academic.

Beachcat97 wrote:So not PEDs, not grades, not criminal...what does that even leave?

Have we covered receiving improper gifts/improper amateur contact? Would make sense for a person who may have had one foot at Arizona and the other stepping toward the NBA, or people around him who assumed as much. Something that could be navigated/mitigated, etc. Trier is a big time shoe head. Given some exclusive limited edition Jordans in the summer by somebody who expected him to return the favor and assumed he would be in the league?

All good points, rgd.

azgreg wrote:Maybe he killed 5 hookers.

Trier doesn't go to ASU.

UAEebs86 wrote:

wyo-cat wrote:I've heard it's grades. Anybody else?

Would kind of line up with the Miles Simon comment.

Forgive my ignorance, but what did Miles say?

TJATUA wrote:

azgreg wrote:Maybe he killed 5 hookers.

Trier doesn't go to ASU.

It's a Craig James reference.

TJATUA wrote:

UAEebs86 wrote:

wyo-cat wrote:I've heard it's grades. Anybody else?

Would kind of line up with the Miles Simon comment.

Forgive my ignorance, but what did Miles say?

I don't know what Miles said in referring to Trier, but Simon had grade issues while a student. That was released by the school, so therefore Miles sued the school as grades are protected under FERPA.

azgreg wrote:

TJATUA wrote:

azgreg wrote:Maybe he killed 5 hookers.

Trier doesn't go to ASU.

It's a Craig James reference.

I know. Any opportunity to take a shot at ASU

I heard from the Ecuadorean Embassy in London that it's {bzzt! zap!} ...

Merkin wrote:

TJATUA wrote:

UAEebs86 wrote:

wyo-cat wrote:I've heard it's grades. Anybody else?

Would kind of line up with the Miles Simon comment.

Forgive my ignorance, but what did Miles say?

I don't know what Miles said in referring to Trier, but Simon had grade issues while a student. That was released by the school, so therefore Miles sued the school as grades are protected under FERPA.

I was referring to ChooChooCat's comment on Miles' 96-97 season.

UAEebs86 wrote: I was referring to ChooChooCat's comment on Miles' 96-97 season.

The Miles Simon reference from ChooChooCat was in relation to his earlier post asking "would we be happy with a half year suspension?"

Which is what happened to Miles. That's all that was...no inference they were the same thing.

Wow this thread went off the rails. It's not academic nor did he accept improper benefits.

ChooChooCat wrote:Wow this thread went off the rails. It's not academic nor did he accept improper benefits.

so not drugs, not criminal, not academic, not PEDs, not improper benefits...that basically leaves nothing.

ChooChooCat wrote:Wow this thread went off the rails. It's not academic nor did he accept improper benefits.

And I asked earlier about improper contact with an agent and the answer was no. Soooooooo voter fraud? I give up.

ChooChooCat wrote:Wow this thread went off the rails. It's not academic nor did he accept improper benefits.

What did you expect with weeks before the first game and with the football team having a losing record?

Puerco wrote:

ChooChooCat wrote:Wow this thread went off the rails. It's not academic nor did he accept improper benefits.

What did you expect with weeks before the first game and with the football team having a losing record?

"losing record" is the most kind thing posted in this thread.

Gilbertcat wrote:What does pitts have to do with anything. And the random other sports info. She is a terrible writer.

Maybe Trier is dating Harvey Mason's daughter.

ChooChooCat wrote:Wow this thread went off the rails. It's not academic nor did he accept improper benefits.

OK. We're back to "not all anabolics are the same." Perhaps *that* was what was meant when a poster said it was NOT a PED. Hence, the legitimate hope for a reduced penalty.

ASUHATER! wrote:

ChooChooCat wrote:Wow this thread went off the rails. It's not academic nor did he accept improper benefits.

so not drugs, not criminal, not academic, not PEDs, not improper benefits...that basically leaves nothing.

Misuse of scholarship money? Offseason employment? Some major ethical violation? I'm at a loss.

ASUHATER! wrote:

ChooChooCat wrote:Wow this thread went off the rails. It's not academic nor did he accept improper benefits.

so not drugs, not criminal, not academic, not PEDs, not improper benefits...that basically leaves nothing.

Or not all not's are actually not's.

Yeah where did we credibly establish that it's not PEDs. There was some stuff tossed out here but I think we used a red herring to get away from the PEDs talk.

ASUHATER! wrote:

ChooChooCat wrote:Wow this thread went off the rails. It's not academic nor did he accept improper benefits.

so not drugs, not criminal, not academic, not PEDs, not improper benefits...that basically leaves nothing.

He went to Mills Mall because he heard there would be a good basketball scrimmage in the parking lot. After witnessing the game, he approached the teams coach and called him a "Chicken Sh*t". The coach ran off crying and later filed a grievance with the NCAA. Nobody knows was to do since the truth hurts.

cleaned his ear with a Q-tip smaller than his elbow

gronk4heisman wrote:

ASUHATER! wrote:

ChooChooCat wrote:Wow this thread went off the rails. It's not academic nor did he accept improper benefits.

so not drugs, not criminal, not academic, not PEDs, not improper benefits...that basically leaves nothing.

Or not all not's are actually not's.

Yep.

I only see one comment that possibly infers it wasn't a PED?

I see someone misunderstanding ChooChooCat's question about would a half year be good and the subsequent comparison of punishment to Miles Simon. Then the "well, it's not a PED" comment with no follow up or attempt to establish that other than some PGU denial followed by a total thread derailment...

prh wrote:Yeah where did we credibly establish that it's not PEDs. There was some stuff tossed out here but I think we used a red herring to get away from the PEDs talk.

Where was PEDs credibly established?