Re: let's talk '18
Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2018 7:49 pm
Some good news I guess
We need to be recruiting every target we have hard. Akinjo and Williams can play together. Either can play with a grad transfer.NYCat wrote: Good news I guess
YupNYCat wrote:Going by the early lists from 2015, 2016, 2017, we'll end up with different players yet a better class.ChooChooCat wrote:Early possibly likely whatever you want to call it 2018 class:
Brandon Williams
David Singleton
Emmanuel Akot
Taeshon Cherry
Bol Bol
Williams has to be considered a long shot for AZ at this point. AZ will be better than expected next year (assuming no one transfers), but Oregon is going to be very good and Williams has a chance to play for the projected Pac 12 winner, while playing at AZ has less certainty, especially long term.NYCat wrote: Some good news I guess
He was a couple of weeks away from a public commitment to Arizona.midnightx wrote:Little torched the McDonald's game tonight. If he was truly an Arizona lean, that is a very disappointing recruiting loss.
He's not a long shot. It's genuinely a battle between Arizona and Oregon and neither side has the edge yet.midnightx wrote:Williams has to be considered a long shot for AZ at this point. AZ will be better than expected next year (assuming no one transfers), but Oregon is going to be very good and Williams has a chance to play for the projected Pac 12 winner, while playing at AZ has less certainty, especially long term.NYCat wrote: Some good news I guess
For Williams, he'll have a bigger role here. Sharing time with Pritchard or Barcello gives him much more PT here. For a kid, that has to be as motivational as a smaller role in team success. Especially if BW thinks he's good enough to lift a team.midnightx wrote:Williams has to be considered a long shot for AZ at this point. AZ will be better than expected next year (assuming no one transfers), but Oregon is going to be very good and Williams has a chance to play for the projected Pac 12 winner, while playing at AZ has less certainty, especially long term.NYCat wrote: Some good news I guess
If Luther does decide to leave, he would likely be considered a graduate transfer, but he would need to be granted a hardship waiver to receive a fifth year of eligibility, which is expected to happen.
Luther sat out all but 10 games of his senior year because of a foot injury.
When he was healthy, he averaged 32.5 minutes per game and led the Panthers in scoring (12.7 PPG) and rebounding (10.1 RPG), and was one of just four players in the ACC to average a double-double.
They went 0-18 in conference play without him. Pitt fans probably should careNYCat wrote:Pitt fans seem to not care and say he's injury prone. Wouldn't be a bad depth piece.
What do you have against Elmo?dcZONAfan wrote:They went 0-18 in conference play without him. Pitt fans probably should careNYCat wrote:Pitt fans seem to not care and say he's injury prone. Wouldn't be a bad depth piece.
Oh, and could you please fucking change your Avatar? I fucking hate that goddamn face
dcZONAfan wrote: Oh, and could you please fucking change your Avatar? I fucking hate that goddamn face
We need a 3rd post badly. He would fill that need.NYCat wrote:Pitt fans seem to not care and say he's injury prone. Wouldn't be a bad depth piece.
Indeed, Adam Silver's All Star game press conference discussed this in detailmidnightx wrote:The NBA is going to set up a legitimate developmental league sooner rather than later where these kids can get paid and start developing for the league. The NCAA landscape is going to be very different sooner rather than later because a lot of these one-and-dones will have more attractive options.
“The G League will have the most to offer, considering that is the development league for the NBA,” he continued. “I will get more out of that than going overseas. The G League is the closest thing to the NBA. I see most guys now are spending time in the G League even after they went to school and the draft, so this gives me the chance to accelerate the process. There have been a lot of successful guys who have been brought up in the G League, and I’m confident that I will be one of them.
“I’m self-motivated because I know this is what I want to do for the rest of my life. This is how I want to make a living. This is how I want to provide for my family, and provide for my love of basketball. I’m not playing any games with this. I’m attacking this straight forward. I’m not maneuvering around this, take any side steps. I’m taking this head on. This is the decision that I made, and I know it will work. I know what I’m capable of doing, and I’m going to do just that.”
It's been in the process of happening. First step was getting each team an affiliate. There are only a handful left without one. ESPN 3 deal kicked in, although I haven't looked into the numbers, Gatorade partnership is working well, and the salaries will be increased within the next few seasons.midnightx wrote:There needs to be better pay. Once the "G League" or another developmental league establishes higher value contracts, more kids will choose it. If a kid is looking at a $20,000 contract, if he is a one-and-done, the current system pays him more under the table, plus he gets significantly more exposure through televised NCAA games. Clearly the developmental and scouting system is in place in the "G League," but the NCAA is presently a viable option. If NBA can revise the developmental league system and guarantee at least six figure contracts, a lot of these kids are going to go that route. It will be the best for everyone. The one-and-done talents will go straight to the league (seriously, Ayton and Bagley should have been NBA bound right away), and 3-4 year players will go to the NCAA, which ultimately will create a better product on the floor and possibly water down the corruption.
Why would they get less TV money?prh wrote:One problem maybe overlooked is the possibility of nba getting hurt by the next tv deal. We’ve already seen free agent money start drying up, and it’s gonna get worse when ESPN isn’t pouring as much money in.
Short and long answers are both Yes, they will because people will watch the G league if guys like Deandre Ayton are in it. And it’s not like they would have to pay a ton. $200k maybe.SteveKerrsStroke wrote:Spitballing here.. #OffSeason
Would it be feasible for the G-League to offer one/two year slotted salaries at a much higher level for kids coming out of high-school?
I imagine it would cause some friction with two-way players and other vets in the G-league, but it seems like at least one way to entice kids to choose the development option and (might?) raise the exposure and attendance of the league if some of these guys are playing.
G-League will be upping their salary, but more so to help keep players in their domestic league rather than signing overseas.Newportcat wrote:Short and long answers are both Yes, they will because people will watch the G league if guys like Deandre Ayton are in it. And it’s not like they would have to pay a ton. $200k maybe.SteveKerrsStroke wrote:Spitballing here.. #OffSeason
Would it be feasible for the G-League to offer one/two year slotted salaries at a much higher level for kids coming out of high-school?
I imagine it would cause some friction with two-way players and other vets in the G-league, but it seems like at least one way to entice kids to choose the development option and (might?) raise the exposure and attendance of the league if some of these guys are playing.
Problem now is players in it mostly have no shot at the league or no shot to be a star in it. If people felt they could watch the next stars they would be more interested. I know I would.
Any decent player (like fringe NBA rookies) always wreck the G/D-League when they go. It's not that great. It would have to come a long way to compete with CBB. And the money is probably about the same as they would get in college.midnightx wrote:The NBA is going to set up a legitimate developmental league sooner rather than later where these kids can get paid and start developing for the league. The NCAA landscape is going to be very different sooner rather than later because a lot of these one-and-dones will have more attractive options.
I would not watch it unless the majority of NBA draft prospects are in it. The competition/coaching levels have a long way to go for it to be interesting.Newportcat wrote:SteveKerrsStroke wrote:
Short and long answers are both Yes, they will because people will watch the G league if guys like Deandre Ayton are in it. And it’s not like they would have to pay a ton. $200k maybe.
Problem now is players in it mostly have no shot at the league or no shot to be a star in it. If people felt they could watch the next stars they would be more interested. I know I would.
Yes. Too many people remember what the D League was. It's a viable farm system nowadays. It's not producing stars, but it has a good amount of NBA caliber talent.TucsonClip wrote:G-League will be upping their salary, but more so to help keep players in their domestic league rather than signing overseas.Newportcat wrote:Short and long answers are both Yes, they will because people will watch the G league if guys like Deandre Ayton are in it. And it’s not like they would have to pay a ton. $200k maybe.SteveKerrsStroke wrote:Spitballing here.. #OffSeason
Would it be feasible for the G-League to offer one/two year slotted salaries at a much higher level for kids coming out of high-school?
I imagine it would cause some friction with two-way players and other vets in the G-league, but it seems like at least one way to entice kids to choose the development option and (might?) raise the exposure and attendance of the league if some of these guys are playing.
Problem now is players in it mostly have no shot at the league or no shot to be a star in it. If people felt they could watch the next stars they would be more interested. I know I would.
Also, for reference, there have been 30+ call ups in each of the last six seasons. A call up means a guy not assigned (via rights) from the NBA to the G-League. This season, there were 46 different players called up. The opportunity is there.
That's really all it needs to be. Minor league baseball has existed for a while and it's clearly lower quality. It can compete with college baseball, though, and it serves the developmental purpose.ChooChooCat wrote:It's a minor league and it'll never gain notoriety. It is a viable farm system as Spiff said however.
There's only like 4-5 teams that don't 'build off each other'.Newportcat wrote:I think there is a way to have kids go straight to the G league but also enhance college basketball if done right much like College Baseball. G League can be a fun way to see future stars for one year and be a good minor league system while college basketball can go back to building a better narrative for fans by having teams build off each other will I think help to increase attendance and TV ratings during the regular season which have both been trending down for years. Not that the NCAA really cares about that since the tourney makes so much money.
The NBA can help improve college basketball which shows how worthless the NCAA is because they can’t do it themselves
With the way regular transfers and grad transfer work nowadays, its way more then 4-5 teams. 137 guys were early entrants to the NBA draft last year. 884 players transferred from D1 schools. Now some of them came back from declaring for the draft (I think roughly 30) with the new rules but vast majority left. So almost 1,000 D1 players changed or left teams last year not including new players coming in.SunnyAZ wrote:[spoiler=][/spoiler]There's only like 4-5 teams that don't 'build off each other'.Newportcat wrote:I think there is a way to have kids go straight to the G league but also enhance college basketball if done right much like College Baseball. G League can be a fun way to see future stars for one year and be a good minor league system while college basketball can go back to building a better narrative for fans by having teams build off each other will I think help to increase attendance and TV ratings during the regular season which have both been trending down for years. Not that the NCAA really cares about that since the tourney makes so much money.
The NBA can help improve college basketball which shows how worthless the NCAA is because they can’t do it themselves
Agreed. A BW commit would be very important.Beachcat97 wrote:Getting caught up on this all-important thread.
Still sorta seems like BW is the key to all of this. We haven't had an elite PG since TJ, and if BW chooses AZ, it sends a loud message to everyone that the program remains a safe and indeed desirable choice. If he goes to Oregon, it just deepens the narrative that AZ is damaged.
Doutrive, Akinjo, and Brown are all good players and could all help us next year, obviously. But I think it all starts with BW. The lesson of '17 and '18 is that: mediocre PG = weak NCAA tourney performance
I'm holding out hope that we really were his top choice, and that that hasn't changed. He and his family seemed to already be planning to be in Tucson, watching games at McKale. Sometimes when a young guy falls in love with a program and coach, that ends up being the decisive factor. So even while he's being courted by Oregon, Zaga, and whoever else, he may still have AZ in the back of his mind. Hopefully.midnightx wrote:Agreed. A BW commit would be very important.Beachcat97 wrote:Getting caught up on this all-important thread.
Still sorta seems like BW is the key to all of this. We haven't had an elite PG since TJ, and if BW chooses AZ, it sends a loud message to everyone that the program remains a safe and indeed desirable choice. If he goes to Oregon, it just deepens the narrative that AZ is damaged.
Doutrive, Akinjo, and Brown are all good players and could all help us next year, obviously. But I think it all starts with BW. The lesson of '17 and '18 is that: mediocre PG = weak NCAA tourney performance
The flippening...az91 wrote:Brandon Williams is on an unofficial visit to ASU. Can 2018 recruiting get any more bleak?
We were ranked #3 in the nation last year! We made the tournament! We lost most of the guys whp got us there, so we need replacements stat! You're a replacement who can continue the "tradition."In re UofA wrote:I imagine the asu pitch is James Harden talk for 17 hours straight, and freshmen jumping out from curtains in speedos.
And Sean Miller may not be at AZ long term, they are facing possible NCAA sanctions, they have no recruiting class, and you will have less playing time at OR. So come to this second-rate program for stability and playing time, ignoring all of its deficiencies. That is the anti-recruiting pitch against AZ right now, hopefully Miller has an adequate answer.Spaceman Spiff wrote:We were ranked #3 in the nation last year! We made the tournament! We lost most of the guys whp got us there, so we need replacements stat! You're a replacement who can continue the "tradition."In re UofA wrote:I imagine the asu pitch is James Harden talk for 17 hours straight, and freshmen jumping out from curtains in speedos.
I'm reading Kentucky is interested as well.Beachcat97 wrote:BW has three good options: AZ, Oregon, and Gonzaga. He’s going to one of those schools.
They're interested in any decent player with a pulse.azgreg wrote:I'm reading Kentucky is interested as well.Beachcat97 wrote:BW has three good options: AZ, Oregon, and Gonzaga. He’s going to one of those schools.