Bear Down Wildcats

Yes Hater, I made up having a family member who is a medical professional . If me disagreeing with you is all you got from my post, then I feel really bad for you.

Also, blowing out your knee is when you tear an ACL, MCL, and a Meniscus. So he did not blow either knee out. He tore an ACL in each knee. But I understand you wanting to keep the drama high by saying he blew both his knees out.

Back to the thread topic. I hope that Trier is good to go sooner than later.

I'd refrain from such strong opinions, about orthopedics, hater.

Truth is, real or hypothetical, WS family member is correct, simple ACL tears without damage to other structures and not involving the unhappy triad (acl, pcl, and mcl or meniscus - ie blowout) are something most people can bounce back from relatively well. The rehab is long and intense but properly restored the risk of reinjury is generally not increased compared to a population with a native acl.

But I'm probably just being a contrarian with this post. We should probably give smith the choice of amputation vs death at this point. All other measures would be futile.

WildcatStunner wrote:Yes Hater, I made up having a family member who is a medical professional . If me disagreeing with you is all you got from my post, then I feel really bad for you.

Also, blowing out your knee is when you tear an ACL, MCL, and a Meniscus. So he did not blow either knee out. He tore an ACL in each knee. But I understand you wanting to keep the drama high by saying he blew both his knees out.

Back to the thread topic. I hope that Trier is good to go sooner than later.

I'm pretty sure "blowing out your knee" isn't an official medical term. It means tearing your acl.

CalStateTempe wrote:I'd refrain from such strong opinions, about orthopedics, hater.

Truth is, real or hypothetical, WS family member is correct, simple ACL tears without damage to other structures and not involving the unhappy triad (acl, pcl, and mcl or meniscus - ie blowout) are something most people can bounce back from relatively well. The rehab is long and intense but properly restored the risk of reinjury is generally not increased compared to a population with a native acl.

But I'm probably just being a contrarian with this post. We should probably give smith the choice of amputation vs death at this point. All other measures would be futile.

LAYWERED AGAIN!!!!!

CalStateTempe wrote:I'd refrain from such strong opinions, about orthopedics, hater.

Truth is, real or hypothetical, WS family member is correct, simple ACL tears without damage to other structures and not involving the unhappy triad (acl, pcl, and mcl or meniscus - ie blowout) are something most people can bounce back from relatively well. The rehab is long and intense but properly restored the risk of reinjury is generally not increased compared to a population with a native acl.

But I'm probably just being a contrarian with this post. We should probably give smith the choice of amputation vs death at this point. All other measures would be futile.

I'm not the one giving strong opinions. Other posters with "orthopedic surgeon" family members are. All I've said at any point is that it's impossible to know how exactly he'll recover and bounce back. That's not extreme, ill informed or wrong at all. There are a lot of variables in play.

What's extreme and strange is all these posters suddenly coming out of the woodwork with doctor family members and medical knowledge and I guess somehow inside knowledge from Smith and his doctors.

What I've learned from this is that from now on, in any argument on this board, I'll be claiming knowledge from random family member insiders in whatever subject or field needed to bolster my arguments and I'll never lose again!

dcZONAfan wrote:

CalStateTempe wrote:I'd refrain from such strong opinions, about orthopedics, hater.

Truth is, real or hypothetical, WS family member is correct, simple ACL tears without damage to other structures and not involving the unhappy triad (acl, pcl, and mcl or meniscus - ie blowout) are something most people can bounce back from relatively well. The rehab is long and intense but properly restored the risk of reinjury is generally not increased compared to a population with a native acl.

But I'm probably just being a contrarian with this post. We should probably give smith the choice of amputation vs death at this point. All other measures would be futile.

LAYWERED AGAIN!!!!!

Just stop, you're embarrassing yourself. Not even close, again.

ASUHATER! wrote:

CalStateTempe wrote:I'd refrain from such strong opinions, about orthopedics, hater.

Truth is, real or hypothetical, WS family member is correct, simple ACL tears without damage to other structures and not involving the unhappy triad (acl, pcl, and mcl or meniscus - ie blowout) are something most people can bounce back from relatively well. The rehab is long and intense but properly restored the risk of reinjury is generally not increased compared to a population with a native acl.

But I'm probably just being a contrarian with this post. We should probably give smith the choice of amputation vs death at this point. All other measures would be futile.

I'm not the one giving strong opinions. Other posters with "orthopedic surgeon" family members are. All I've said at any point is that it's impossible to know how exactly he'll recover and bounce back. That's not extreme, ill informed or wrong at all. There are a lot of variables in play.

What's extreme and strange is all these posters suddenly coming out of the woodwork with doctor family members and medical knowledge and I guess somehow inside knowledge from Smith and his doctors.

What I've learned from this is that from now on, in any argument on this board, I'll nr claiming knowledge from random family member insiders in whatever subject or field needed to bolster my arguments and I'll never lose again!

Anti laywered!!!

So sad. Thoughts and prayers are needed now more than ever for Hater

CalStateTempe wrote:I'd refrain from such strong opinions, about orthopedics, hater.

Truth is, real or hypothetical, WS family member is correct, simple ACL tears without damage to other structures and not involving the unhappy triad (acl, pcl, and mcl or meniscus - ie blowout) are something most people can bounce back from relatively well. The rehab is long and intense but properly restored the risk of reinjury is generally not increased compared to a population with a native acl.

But I'm probably just being a contrarian with this post. We should probably give smith the choice of amputation vs death at this point. All other measures would be futile.

Well here we have the opinion of a Stanford and Duke trained physician, and on the other side we have Dr. ASUHATER!, who did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night, Also in Dr.CST's corner - we have 2 posters who have had specific discussions with orthopedic surgeons.

Meanwhile, Dr. HATER has offered ZERO opinions tendered by board-certified physicians, while erroneously referring to ACL tears as being 'blown out' knee injuries.

Here is an actual reference from a physician, stating that after an ACL reconstruction, the likelihood of a tear to the contra lateral knee is higher than the risk of re-tearing the knee with the reconstructed ACL. Statistics showing the success rate of ACL reconstructions can easily be found on the net.

http://ajs.sagepub.com/content/41/4/NP14" target="_blank

ASUHATER talks out his ass all the time... If he was as knowledgeable as he is both misinformed and confident - he would be studying at Oxford and not working weekends.

dcZONAfan wrote:

ASUHATER! wrote:

CalStateTempe wrote:I'd refrain from such strong opinions, about orthopedics, hater.

Truth is, real or hypothetical, WS family member is correct, simple ACL tears without damage to other structures and not involving the unhappy triad (acl, pcl, and mcl or meniscus - ie blowout) are something most people can bounce back from relatively well. The rehab is long and intense but properly restored the risk of reinjury is generally not increased compared to a population with a native acl.

But I'm probably just being a contrarian with this post. We should probably give smith the choice of amputation vs death at this point. All other measures would be futile.

I'm not the one giving strong opinions. Other posters with "orthopedic surgeon" family members are. All I've said at any point is that it's impossible to know how exactly he'll recover and bounce back. That's not extreme, ill informed or wrong at all. There are a lot of variables in play.

What's extreme and strange is all these posters suddenly coming out of the woodwork with doctor family members and medical knowledge and I guess somehow inside knowledge from Smith and his doctors.

What I've learned from this is that from now on, in any argument on this board, I'll nr claiming knowledge from random family member insiders in whatever subject or field needed to bolster my arguments and I'll never lose again!

Anti laywered!!!

So sad. Thoughts and prayers are needed now more than ever for Hater

You're becoming a sad spectacle. A train wreck of wrongness in slow motion before my eyes

Harvey Specter wrote:

CalStateTempe wrote:I'd refrain from such strong opinions, about orthopedics, hater.

Truth is, real or hypothetical, WS family member is correct, simple ACL tears without damage to other structures and not involving the unhappy triad (acl, pcl, and mcl or meniscus - ie blowout) are something most people can bounce back from relatively well. The rehab is long and intense but properly restored the risk of reinjury is generally not increased compared to a population with a native acl.

But I'm probably just being a contrarian with this post. We should probably give smith the choice of amputation vs death at this point. All other measures would be futile.

Well here we have the opinion of a Stanford and Duke trained physician, and on the other side we have ASUHATER!, who did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night, Also in Dr.CST's corner - we have 2 posters who have had specific discussions with orthopedic surgeons.

Meanwhile, Dr. HATER has offered ZERO opinions tendered by board-certified physicians, while erroneously referring to ACL tears as being 'blown out' knee injuries.

Her is an actual reference from a physician, stating that after an ACL reconstruction, the likelihood of a tear to the contra lateral knee is higher than the risk of tearing the knee with the reconstructed ACL. Statistics showing the success rate of ACL reconstructions can easily be found on the net.

http://ajs.sagepub.com/content/41/4/NP14" target="_blank

ASUHATER talks out his ass all the time... If he was as knowledgeable as is both misinformed and confident - he would be studying at Oxford and not working weekends.

Unlike everyone else here, I have absolutely never claimed to be a doctor, given a medical opinion or done what you just did, Dr. Harvey. All I have EVER said, and listen, is that we don't know how exactly he'll recover and bounce back. That's it. Period. You can cite whatever you want Dr Harvey, but that doesn't mean anything. I have never been misinformed or confident in anything on this subject. What is foolish is pretending to be an expert like you are currently.

Lawyered.

ASUHATER! wrote:

dcZONAfan wrote:

ASUHATER! wrote:

CalStateTempe wrote:I'd refrain from such strong opinions, about orthopedics, hater.

Truth is, real or hypothetical, WS family member is correct, simple ACL tears without damage to other structures and not involving the unhappy triad (acl, pcl, and mcl or meniscus - ie blowout) are something most people can bounce back from relatively well. The rehab is long and intense but properly restored the risk of reinjury is generally not increased compared to a population with a native acl.

But I'm probably just being a contrarian with this post. We should probably give smith the choice of amputation vs death at this point. All other measures would be futile.

I'm not the one giving strong opinions. Other posters with "orthopedic surgeon" family members are. All I've said at any point is that it's impossible to know how exactly he'll recover and bounce back. That's not extreme, ill informed or wrong at all. There are a lot of variables in play.

What's extreme and strange is all these posters suddenly coming out of the woodwork with doctor family members and medical knowledge and I guess somehow inside knowledge from Smith and his doctors.

What I've learned from this is that from now on, in any argument on this board, I'll nr claiming knowledge from random family member insiders in whatever subject or field needed to bolster my arguments and I'll never lose again!

Anti laywered!!!

So sad. Thoughts and prayers are needed now more than ever for Hater

You're becoming a sad spectacle. A train wreck of wrongness in slow motion before my eyes

And yet every poster on this site disagrees with you. Like, literally every one. Why not find some place else to hang out, where people don't get know how miserable you are? Maybe PGU is for you.

Again, thoughts and prayers are needed now more than ever

ASUHATER! wrote:

Harvey Specter wrote:

CalStateTempe wrote:I'd refrain from such strong opinions, about orthopedics, hater.

Truth is, real or hypothetical, WS family member is correct, simple ACL tears without damage to other structures and not involving the unhappy triad (acl, pcl, and mcl or meniscus - ie blowout) are something most people can bounce back from relatively well. The rehab is long and intense but properly restored the risk of reinjury is generally not increased compared to a population with a native acl.

But I'm probably just being a contrarian with this post. We should probably give smith the choice of amputation vs death at this point. All other measures would be futile.

Well here we have the opinion of a Stanford and Duke trained physician, and on the other side we have ASUHATER!, who did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night, Also in Dr.CST's corner - we have 2 posters who have had specific discussions with orthopedic surgeons.

Meanwhile, Dr. HATER has offered ZERO opinions tendered by board-certified physicians, while erroneously referring to ACL tears as being 'blown out' knee injuries.

Her is an actual reference from a physician, stating that after an ACL reconstruction, the likelihood of a tear to the contra lateral knee is higher than the risk of tearing the knee with the reconstructed ACL. Statistics showing the success rate of ACL reconstructions can easily be found on the net.

http://ajs.sagepub.com/content/41/4/NP14" target="_blank

ASUHATER talks out his ass all the time... If he was as knowledgeable as is both misinformed and confident - he would be studying at Oxford and not working weekends.

Unlike everyone else here, I have absolutely never claimed to be a doctor, given a medical opinion or done what you just did, Dr. Harvey. All I have EVER said, and listen, is that we don't know how exactly he'll recover and bounce back. That's it. Period. You can cite whatever you want Dr Harvey, but that doesn't mean anything. I have never been misinformed or confident in anything on this subject. What is foolish is pretending to be an expert like you are currently.

Lawyered.

Oh so now you are claiming to be a lawyer?! Where is the documentation on that?!?! You just come on here and, very conveniently, you are a lawyer now? You are no worse than the others on here claiming to have spoken to doctors.

So sad. Thoughts and prayers are needed now more than ever

ASUHATER! wrote: All I have EVER said, and listen, is that we don't know how exactly he'll recover and bounce back. That's it. Period. You can cite whatever you want Dr Harvey, but that doesn't mean anything. I have never been misinformed or confident in anything on this subject.

From the Ray Smith ACL thread

ASUHATER! wrote:Welp. Poor kid. Probably will never play a minute at Arizona now. Huge blow to the teams chances this year though. Too bad we will never see him play here

UAEebs86 wrote:From the Ray Smith ACL thread

ASUHATER! wrote:Welp. Poor kid. Probably will never play a minute at Arizona now. Huge blow to the teams chances this year though. Too bad we will never see him play here

LAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWYLERED!!!!!!!!!

That's lying under oath, son. Incredibly serious offense. Lawyers see RIGHT through that shit, ya dummy

Hater, I asked your opinion on tearing an ACL vs blowing out your knee (ACL, MCL, Meniscus). You decided to give some snarky reply to which I responded with my opinion plus facts. I talked to a family member about the injury back when it happened (2nd acl tear) to get their opinion. Whether or not you believe me or think I'm pulling it out of my ass is of no concern. I think he will make a full recovery because it was his other knee, and not the same. What we do know is that he tore his acl in his other knee, had surgery, and is on the path to recovery. They didn't disclose anything else. Was their nothing else to disclose? Maybe they are hiding something? As you said we don't know. The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence (that goes both ways). Not once have I claimed to have inside knowledge or claimed my family members had inside knowledge. All I claimed is there is a strong chance he will make a full recovery based on what we know and the stats from medical publications (posted in this thread). You can infer anything you want from that, but please do not make exaggerations of things that I have said or claimed.

FWIW, I actually value a divergent opinion and don't mind having this discussion. I don't want it to seem like I am specifically targeting your posts. There are actually some things you have said about men's bball that I agree with.

ASUHATER! wrote:

WildcatStunner wrote:Yes Hater, I made up having a family member who is a medical professional . If me disagreeing with you is all you got from my post, then I feel really bad for you.

Also, blowing out your knee is when you tear an ACL, MCL, and a Meniscus. So he did not blow either knee out. He tore an ACL in each knee. But I understand you wanting to keep the drama high by saying he blew both his knees out.

Back to the thread topic. I hope that Trier is good to go sooner than later.

I'm pretty sure "blowing out your knee" isn't an official medical term. It means tearing your acl.

Lol that's not what blowing out your knee means jackwad. Seriously just stop posting about this topic. The hole you continue to dig is too big for you to climb out of here.

The problem I have is when someone states "it is impossible to know the prognosis".

Actually its quite possible. The tools are statistics, large patient registries, and epidemiology. Hell, academic careers and referral networks are built on just that...the ability to predict with the best data what a patient should expect with a given injury.

There are always outliers, nothing is 100% certain, but from a population perspective, you can give an individual an idea what to expect for common orthopedic injuries.

The rest is for the lawyers to fight over.

Dr. Wikipedia is our friend:

An unhappy triad (or terrible triad, "horrible triangle", O'Donoghue's triad[1] or a "blown knee") is an injury to the anterior cruciate ligament, medial collateral ligament, and the medial meniscus.

Was that so hard?

Please take schoolkid arguments somewhere else.

Hater won't be back to this thread for at least as long as it takes for Eebs post to fall off this page.

UAEebs86 wrote:

ASUHATER! wrote: All I have EVER said, and listen, is that we don't know how exactly he'll recover and bounce back. That's it. Period. You can cite whatever you want Dr Harvey, but that doesn't mean anything. I have never been misinformed or confident in anything on this subject.

From the Ray Smith ACL thread

ASUHATER! wrote:Welp. Poor kid. Probably will never play a minute at Arizona now. Huge blow to the teams chances this year though. Too bad we will never see him play here

ASUHATER! wrote:

Harvey Specter wrote:

CalStateTempe wrote:I'd refrain from such strong opinions, about orthopedics, hater.

Truth is, real or hypothetical, WS family member is correct, simple ACL tears without damage to other structures and not involving the unhappy triad (acl, pcl, and mcl or meniscus - ie blowout) are something most people can bounce back from relatively well. The rehab is long and intense but properly restored the risk of reinjury is generally not increased compared to a population with a native acl.

But I'm probably just being a contrarian with this post. We should probably give smith the choice of amputation vs death at this point. All other measures would be futile.

Well here we have the opinion of a Stanford and Duke trained physician, and on the other side we have ASUHATER!, who did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night, Also in Dr.CST's corner - we have 2 posters who have had specific discussions with orthopedic surgeons.

Meanwhile, Dr. HATER has offered ZERO opinions tendered by board-certified physicians, while erroneously referring to ACL tears as being 'blown out' knee injuries.

Her is an actual reference from a physician, stating that after an ACL reconstruction, the likelihood of a tear to the contra lateral knee is higher than the risk of tearing the knee with the reconstructed ACL. Statistics showing the success rate of ACL reconstructions can easily be found on the net.

http://ajs.sagepub.com/content/41/4/NP14" target="_blank

ASUHATER talks out his ass all the time... If he was as knowledgeable as is both misinformed and confident - he would be studying at Oxford and not working weekends.

Unlike everyone else here, I have absolutely never claimed to be a doctor, given a medical opinion or done what you just did, Dr. Harvey. All I have EVER said, and listen, is that we don't know how exactly he'll recover and bounce back. That's it. Period. You can cite whatever you want Dr Harvey, but that doesn't mean anything. I have never been misinformed or confident in anything on this subject. What is foolish is pretending to be an expert like you are currently.

Lawyered.

https://youtu.be/XH7FBxT9mEs" target="_blank

Objection: hearsay, lack of foundation, misstates the evidence.

Spaceman Spiff wrote:

ASUHATER! wrote:

Harvey Specter wrote:

CalStateTempe wrote:I'd refrain from such strong opinions, about orthopedics, hater.

Truth is, real or hypothetical, WS family member is correct, simple ACL tears without damage to other structures and not involving the unhappy triad (acl, pcl, and mcl or meniscus - ie blowout) are something most people can bounce back from relatively well. The rehab is long and intense but properly restored the risk of reinjury is generally not increased compared to a population with a native acl.

But I'm probably just being a contrarian with this post. We should probably give smith the choice of amputation vs death at this point. All other measures would be futile.

Well here we have the opinion of a Stanford and Duke trained physician, and on the other side we have ASUHATER!, who did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night, Also in Dr.CST's corner - we have 2 posters who have had specific discussions with orthopedic surgeons.

Meanwhile, Dr. HATER has offered ZERO opinions tendered by board-certified physicians, while erroneously referring to ACL tears as being 'blown out' knee injuries.

Her is an actual reference from a physician, stating that after an ACL reconstruction, the likelihood of a tear to the contra lateral knee is higher than the risk of tearing the knee with the reconstructed ACL. Statistics showing the success rate of ACL reconstructions can easily be found on the net.

http://ajs.sagepub.com/content/41/4/NP14" target="_blank

ASUHATER talks out his ass all the time... If he was as knowledgeable as is both misinformed and confident - he would be studying at Oxford and not working weekends.

Unlike everyone else here, I have absolutely never claimed to be a doctor, given a medical opinion or done what you just did, Dr. Harvey. All I have EVER said, and listen, is that we don't know how exactly he'll recover and bounce back. That's it. Period. You can cite whatever you want Dr Harvey, but that doesn't mean anything. I have never been misinformed or confident in anything on this subject. What is foolish is pretending to be an expert like you are currently.

Lawyered.

https://youtu.be/XH7FBxT9mEs" target="_blank

Objection: hearsay, lack of foundation, misstates the evidence.

Dude is so bad at lawyering

I've been laughing about this thread all day.

I can't believe how much I contributed to derailing it .

Derailing it? This is comedic gold!

WildcatStunner wrote:I can't believe how much I contributed to derailing it .

Pretty sure most of the credit (or blame, depending on who you ask) goes to me for that one. But I appreciate your support. We are getting tons of use out of our law degrees in this thread and it feels good

He will likely be timid on his legs for a while, completely normal and understandable, but other than that, not worried at all. My sister tore her ACL in one knee and both her ACL and MCL in the other. She still managed to play a year of college softball after (and stopped for reasons other than injuries), then for years was an avid weight trainer and competed in figure competitions on a professional level. She popped out two babies and is now cleaning everyone's clock in Crossfit competitions in her early 30s. My family has some frail ass body genes: grandfather's knee and the war ended his professional hockey aspirations, father's college baseball career ended with knee and shoulder injuries, mine ended with a torn labrum, other sister tore her rotator cuff with multiple volleyball offers on the table. Not sure if there is any science behind frail ass body genes, and if there is, if Ray has them. But in terms of these two, not worried.

dcZONAfan wrote:

WildcatStunner wrote:I can't believe how much I contributed to derailing it .

Pretty sure most of the credit (or blame, depending on who you ask) goes to me for that one. But I appreciate your support. We are getting tons of use out of our law degrees in this thread and it feels good

No law degree here. Thought about the law school path after college, even did well on the LSAT, but I wanted to get work experience after college. Fast forward 8-9 years I work as a business data analyst for a company. Can't complain though, I work from home full time.

WildcatStunner wrote:

dcZONAfan wrote:

WildcatStunner wrote:I can't believe how much I contributed to derailing it .

Pretty sure most of the credit (or blame, depending on who you ask) goes to me for that one. But I appreciate your support. We are getting tons of use out of our law degrees in this thread and it feels good

No law degree here. Thought about the law school path after college, even did well on the LSAT, but I wanted to get work experience after college. Fast forward 8-9 years I work as a business data analyst for a company. Can't complain though, I work from home full time.

https://youtu.be/yhfZIUYZunI" target="_blank

Chicat wrote:

UAEebs86 wrote:

ASUHATER! wrote: All I have EVER said, and listen, is that we don't know how exactly he'll recover and bounce back. That's it. Period. You can cite whatever you want Dr Harvey, but that doesn't mean anything. I have never been misinformed or confident in anything on this subject.

From the Ray Smith ACL thread

ASUHATER! wrote:Welp. Poor kid. Probably will never play a minute at Arizona now. Huge blow to the teams chances this year though. Too bad we will never see him play here

The all caps EVER is priceless.

Merkin wrote:

Wow. This is amazing, especially if AT is truly fully recovered and feeling good. Here's hoping this isn't rushing things. I want a healthy AT for March.

The Seattle game would be four weeks from the time he broke it. Jan. 9 to Feb. 6.

gumby wrote:The Seattle game would be four weeks from the time he broke it. Jan. 9 to Feb. 6.

Yeah, this is low end in recovery time, but not insanely so. I'd assume Trier wants to play in Seattle, too.

gumby wrote:The Seattle game would be four weeks from the time he broke it. Jan. 9 to Feb. 6.

The Seattle game is the one I care about and that we probably need him for. WSU should be no problem.

Yeah. If he falls on it in the next few weeks, that would be bad.

84Cat wrote:

Is Miller a Dr?

There's only 1 person who knows for sure.

ASUHATER! wrote:They said he'd be out 4-6 weeks. It's been 3. Simple logic dictates it may not be until UCLA game he's back. Are you just trying to be an idiot on purpose?

Hahahahaha. Classic Hater

Can't wait until Simon shoots without discomfort ... mine.

Doctor....

Doctor....

Chicat wrote:Doctor....

Doctor....

Can't you see, I'm burning, burning....

I think Trier will be 'en fuego' from deep

Chicat wrote:Doctor....

Doctor....

Lol Chicat! I think you just dated youself age-wise....bet we are similar. Funny movie

Puerco wrote:I've been laughing about this thread all day.

Seriously, that shit is gold

gumby wrote:Can't wait until Simon shoots without discomfort ... mine.

I was waiting for someone to say one particular thing before I brought out my own Simon joke. Well done.

doesn't blake griffin have the exact same injury as trier right now? how long is he out for?

Same. 4-6 weeks. However, the equipment manager can never have children.

He plays tonight

Olsondogg wrote:He plays tonight

Clearly not until UCLA. Didn't you read the rest of the thread?