Bear Down Wildcats

azcat49 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 28, 2021 1:28 pm What makes you think they are unvaxxed?

Beachcat97 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 28, 2021 4:08 pm

azcat49 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 28, 2021 1:28 pm What makes you think they are unvaxxed?

Oh hopefully they're vaxxed, but it’s strange to have multiple breakthrough cases.

These teams with outbreaks are suspicious af, imo.

Beachcat97 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 28, 2021 4:08 pm Oh hopefully they're vaxxed, but it’s strange to have multiple breakthrough cases.
These teams with outbreaks are suspicious af, imo.

EastCoastCat wrote: ↑Tue Dec 28, 2021 4:27 pm

Beachcat97 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 28, 2021 4:08 pm

azcat49 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 28, 2021 1:28 pm What makes you think they are unvaxxed?

Oh hopefully they're vaxxed, but it’s strange to have multiple breakthrough cases.

These teams with outbreaks are suspicious af, imo.

You do realize that vaxxed people can get COVID right? I know you have a hard on for everything UCLA but now you are now just spewing shit.

I want to play UCLA and USC at full strength and beat them outright. If it’s this week great. If not we move on.

Postmaster wrote: ↑Tue Dec 28, 2021 6:19 pm It seems omicron scoffs at the shots.

EastCoastCat wrote: ↑Tue Dec 28, 2021 4:27 pm

Beachcat97 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 28, 2021 4:08 pm

azcat49 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 28, 2021 1:28 pm What makes you think they are unvaxxed?

Oh hopefully they're vaxxed, but it’s strange to have multiple breakthrough cases.

These teams with outbreaks are suspicious af, imo.

You do realize that vaxxed people can get COVID right? I know you have a hard on for everything UCLA but now you are now just spewing shit.

I want to play UCLA and USC at full strength and beat them outright. If it’s this week great. If not we move on.

TheCat wrote: ↑Wed Dec 29, 2021 10:23 am

EastCoastCat wrote: ↑Tue Dec 28, 2021 4:27 pm

Beachcat97 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 28, 2021 4:08 pm

azcat49 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 28, 2021 1:28 pm What makes you think they are unvaxxed?

Oh hopefully they're vaxxed, but it’s strange to have multiple breakthrough cases.

These teams with outbreaks are suspicious af, imo.

You do realize that vaxxed people can get COVID right? I know you have a hard on for everything UCLA but now you are now just spewing shit.

I want to play UCLA and USC at full strength and beat them outright. If it’s this week great. If not we move on.

I agree with what you said and want to play them at full strength. What I don't understand is they are practicing so how is that providing safety for others? I guess I don't understand the guidelines the conference came up with if they are practicing 3 days before a game.

Jefe wrote: ↑Wed Dec 29, 2021 3:05 pm So where are we at? UCLA and USC are not automatic wins due to forfeiture?

U.P. Zona Fan wrote: ↑Tue Dec 28, 2021 7:31 pm Remember how we dealt with this on the 70s and 80s with chicken pox?

Have a big party, invite one kid with the pox, play games like lick the speckled kids face, everybody drink out of the same 3 litre Faygo soda bottle and see who can burp the loudest, let's play dentist with only one scaler.....

Ahh the good ole days.

Not suggesting this is how we deal with it.

Fishclamps wrote: ↑Thu Dec 30, 2021 5:37 am

U.P. Zona Fan wrote: ↑Tue Dec 28, 2021 7:31 pm Remember how we dealt with this on the 70s and 80s with chicken pox?

Have a big party, invite one kid with the pox, play games like lick the speckled kids face, everybody drink out of the same 3 litre Faygo soda bottle and see who can burp the loudest, let's play dentist with only one scaler.....

Ahh the good ole days.

Not suggesting this is how we deal with it.

Lol in fact doctors very strongly urge you to not to do that anymore and get them vaccinated for chickenpox.

TheCat wrote: ↑Thu Dec 30, 2021 9:51 am Interesting reading. Wasn't sure where it belonged.

https://www.eastbaytimes.com/2021/12/28 ... on-awards/

Spaceman Spiff wrote: ↑Thu Dec 30, 2021 9:56 am

KJ Simpson on the all freshman team still hurts me.

UAEebs86 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 30, 2021 10:10 am

Spaceman Spiff wrote: ↑Thu Dec 30, 2021 9:56 am
KJ Simpson on the all freshman team still hurts me.

I feel like he pulled the trigger on the transfer too quick. He'd rather play for Whiny Tad at a school with almost no basketball tradition?

BBQ wildcat wrote: ↑Thu Dec 30, 2021 12:01 pm That list really is a huge tribute to Miller and the players he was able to pull in. Yeah, I'm still bitter over how Robbins and Heeke treated him.

Spaceman Spiff wrote: ↑Thu Dec 30, 2021 9:56 am

TheCat wrote: ↑Thu Dec 30, 2021 9:51 am Interesting reading. Wasn't sure where it belonged.

https://www.eastbaytimes.com/2021/12/28 ... on-awards/

KJ Simpson on the all freshman team still hurts me.

YoDeFoe wrote: ↑Thu Dec 30, 2021 10:00 pm

Spaceman Spiff wrote: ↑Thu Dec 30, 2021 9:56 am

TheCat wrote: ↑Thu Dec 30, 2021 9:51 am Interesting reading. Wasn't sure where it belonged.

https://www.eastbaytimes.com/2021/12/28 ... on-awards/

KJ Simpson on the all freshman team still hurts me.

38 / 22 / 69 splits with a 1.0 A:TO for a ridiculously poor 88 ORtg. I think we'll manage, Spiff.

Spaceman Spiff wrote: ↑Fri Dec 31, 2021 11:23 am
Frankly, if you put Simpson on a better team where he doesn't have to do as much, I'm not sure his numbers would be that much different from Kier's, except shooting the 3. Simpson hasn't made 3's much, although it's a real difference of 1.2 vs 0.4 makes per game. Simpson has an extra TO per game, but it's at a significantly higher usage rate because he has a lot less around him.

Edit: his numbers are also pretty close to Dalen Terry's freshman #'s. The 1:1 a/to ratio, PER is about 1.0 points away.

Or maybe I just love KJ Simpson too much.

YoDeFoe wrote: ↑Fri Dec 31, 2021 3:19 pm

Spaceman Spiff wrote: ↑Fri Dec 31, 2021 11:23 am
Frankly, if you put Simpson on a better team where he doesn't have to do as much, I'm not sure his numbers would be that much different from Kier's, except shooting the 3. Simpson hasn't made 3's much, although it's a real difference of 1.2 vs 0.4 makes per game. Simpson has an extra TO per game, but it's at a significantly higher usage rate because he has a lot less around him.

Edit: his numbers are also pretty close to Dalen Terry's freshman #'s. The 1:1 a/to ratio, PER is about 1.0 points away.

Or maybe I just love KJ Simpson too much.

I will not let this stand

Simpson is a bench player on a 9-3 team and he's by far the worst offensive player among rotation players. His problem isn't that the players around him are bad - his problem is that he's trying to do too much for his abilities and role. He's a freshman sixth man and he leads his team in turnovers, has an offensive rating 20 points lower (!) than his teammates, and while DRtg is tricky he's rated as the worst defender on the team (again, by far).

In his most recent game, he shot 0% from the field and had 5 turnovers despite a blowout of lowly Cal State Bakersfield.

KJ doesn't need a better team where he doesn't have to do as much, he just needs to not do as much.

I always classed Simpson as a developmental prospect. To an extent, being fine without him relies on having better developmental options and I'm not seeing a ton of those.

Would I like for him to be on the end of our bench with Nowell and Bal, learning and getting mop up minutes? Maybe, sure. But I get the feeling we're going to be fine next year without him given our on court success and an active transfer market (along with two players in the same role as Simpson who Lloyd chose over him).

Spaceman Spiff wrote: ↑Fri Dec 31, 2021 4:45 pm

YoDeFoe wrote: ↑Fri Dec 31, 2021 3:19 pm

Spaceman Spiff wrote: ↑Fri Dec 31, 2021 11:23 am
Frankly, if you put Simpson on a better team where he doesn't have to do as much, I'm not sure his numbers would be that much different from Kier's, except shooting the 3. Simpson hasn't made 3's much, although it's a real difference of 1.2 vs 0.4 makes per game. Simpson has an extra TO per game, but it's at a significantly higher usage rate because he has a lot less around him.

Edit: his numbers are also pretty close to Dalen Terry's freshman #'s. The 1:1 a/to ratio, PER is about 1.0 points away.

Or maybe I just love KJ Simpson too much.

I will not let this stand

Simpson is a bench player on a 9-3 team and he's by far the worst offensive player among rotation players. His problem isn't that the players around him are bad - his problem is that he's trying to do too much for his abilities and role. He's a freshman sixth man and he leads his team in turnovers, has an offensive rating 20 points lower (!) than his teammates, and while DRtg is tricky he's rated as the worst defender on the team (again, by far).

In his most recent game, he shot 0% from the field and had 5 turnovers despite a blowout of lowly Cal State Bakersfield.

KJ doesn't need a better team where he doesn't have to do as much, he just needs to not do as much.

I always classed Simpson as a developmental prospect. To an extent, being fine without him relies on having better developmental options and I'm not seeing a ton of those.

Would I like for him to be on the end of our bench with Nowell and Bal, learning and getting mop up minutes? Maybe, sure. But I get the feeling we're going to be fine next year without him given our on court success and an active transfer market (along with two players in the same role as Simpson who Lloyd chose over him).

Well, if you want to rumble, let's rumble.



You're cherry picking Bakersfield, which was his worst game. He's also had games like Stanford where he shot 5-8 for 12 points on 0 turnovers.

Usage is the best metric to judge if a guard is being asked to make plays. Simpson is at 23.4 while Kier is 18.7. Simpson is clearly being asked to do more as a freshman off the bench than a 5th year guy similarly profiled at Arizona.

Especially for a freshman, the more you put on them to make plays, the more likely it is they're inefficient, IMO. Simpson has stuff put on him at Colorado he would not at Arizona.

STRENUOUSLY disagree on the metric impact of better teammates. Are you getting more open looks alongside Benn Mathurin or Evan Battey? As long as opponents avoid the gravitational pull from Battey's gut, I'd put all my money on Benn.

Are you getting more assists from passing to Benn or Battey? Again, easy answer. Will your defensive metrics be better with Christian Koloko behind you to erase mistakes or Evan Battey?

Finally, Simpson does have the lowest metrics in CO's rotation. He's also the only freshman in their rotation. I would grade that above Bal not being in our rotation, and certainly over Bal's metrics being worse than Simpson's plus not getting into a rotation.

Look, I'm a highly qualified message board analyst by virtue of having a working email, a phone and opposable thumbs. Thus, while Lloyd has actually been a coach, I exercise message board prima nocta and declare that I reserve the right to be a downer until Bal or a 2022 class member shows me they outstrip Simpson's multiyear developmental ability. I get Bal's potential and age, but his next step is Simpson's now, IMO.

Merkin wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 1:59 pm FERPA rules are extremely strict. Just ask Miles about it.

Postmaster wrote: ↑Mon Jan 03, 2022 9:58 am

Merkin wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 1:59 pm FERPA rules are extremely strict. Just ask Miles about it.

What about Fupa?

84Cat wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 5:08 pm

Beachcat97 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 03, 2022 10:27 am

84Cat wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 5:08 pm

Is this game on Pac 12 Network?