Re: Allonzo Trier
Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2016 11:28 am
Your avatar isnt working anymore. Gave up on beisbol?97cats wrote:my fingers are crossed, are yours?
Your avatar isnt working anymore. Gave up on beisbol?97cats wrote:my fingers are crossed, are yours?
Welcome to the Madness!Azgirl wrote:I, for one, am grateful that the Allonzo Trier situation was brought to light. That is what I always felt a board was for, to inform its members. Thanks.
Here's the latest rumor I've heard:Olsondogg wrote:That site that everyone hates is quickly posting rumors and deleting them as fast as they post them...and it's coming from the owner of the site...
Olsondogg wrote:
I'd rather focus on finding out who made the decision to ruin the basketball program's uniforms. That is insider info I'd appreciate.
Eff him or his daddy?Olsondogg wrote:Eff Slusher
CatFan1399 wrote:If I'm reading the clues correctly, I'm guessing PEDs hence the reason 97Cats elected to list specific illegal substances versus just saying that it wasn't drug related. NCAA policy stars that a player that tests positive for PEDs is banned from play for 365 days from the date of the test. Appeals by the athletic institution could result in reducing the suspension, reversing the suspension, or upholding the suspension.
Am I on the right track in my logic? The wait/uncertainty has to do with the university's appeal. Perhaps the player took the banned substance unknowingly?
Thanks as always to 97Cats and all for sharing their insight.
http://www.ncaa.org/health-and-safety/p ... ug-testing" target="_blankCatFan1399 wrote:If I'm reading the clues correctly, I'm guessing PEDs hence the reason 97Cats elected to list specific illegal substances versus just saying that it wasn't drug related. NCAA policy stars that a player that tests positive for PEDs is banned from play for 365 days from the date of the test. Appeals by the athletic institution could result in reducing the suspension, reversing the suspension, or upholding the suspension.
Am I on the right track in my logic? The wait/uncertainty has to do with the university's appeal. Perhaps the player took the banned substance unknowingly?
Thanks as always to 97Cats and all for sharing their insight.
Probably one of the bigger BS rules/way too harsh rules that the NCAA has. If someone can buy this over the counter than how can you kick them out of a sport for a year? I understand they are banned, dangerous, whatever. But suspend the player for a game and then move on. This is zero tolerance policy for something that can be bought over the counter is nuts. They only have 4 years of eligibility. They wouldn't even let Grier have a redshirt season so that he could transfer. Really, really harsh.Olsondogg wrote:Since you guys are going there, in reference to some of what's been posted above:
While the NCAA tests athletes randomly throughout the year, athletes are also subject to testing from their schools. But the thing is, those school testing programs can be designed however the schools want. Some schools will ban players for a few games on the first offense, while others just let them off with a warning. In 2012, the Associated Press reported that players at Notre Dame and Alabama didn't automatically miss games for testing positive for steroids: football coaches themselves had "wide discretion" to tailor punishments at Alabama, while Notre Dame's student-athlete handbook said that a player who failed a test could return to the field once the steroids in question were out of his system. Had Florida administered Grier's test, he likely would have just been suspended for one game.
Right. If this is indeed what is happening. What would Trier's reasons for even going to class be this year?Olsondogg wrote:So IF it is as speculated, the details matter...to put it in basketball terms, involving an "illegal" substance:
Three years ago, Michigan basketball player Mitch McGary was suspended for a year for testing positive for marijuana during the NCAA Tournament. McGary wasn't even playing in the tournament, as he was out with an injury, but he also was unlucky with timing. He would not have missed any games on his first positive test and wouldn't have been suspended for a season until his third positive test. But because he was suspended for a year by the NCAA, he was essentially forced to leave school early. Which means that the NCAA's penalty wasn't just unfairly harsh; it was counterproductive to the association's stated educational mission.
The next time that the NCAA makes a wise decision that is in a player's best interest might be the first of its kind. I hope this works out for Trier, but I'm worried.Olsondogg wrote:So IF it is as speculated, the details matter...to put it in basketball terms, involving an "illegal" substance:
Three years ago, Michigan basketball player Mitch McGary was suspended for a year for testing positive for marijuana during the NCAA Tournament. McGary wasn't even playing in the tournament, as he was out with an injury, but he also was unlucky with timing. He would not have missed any games on his first positive test and wouldn't have been suspended for a season until his third positive test. But because he was suspended for a year by the NCAA, he was essentially forced to leave school early. Which means that the NCAA's penalty wasn't just unfairly harsh; it was counterproductive to the association's stated educational mission.
He'd just go join Ferguson in AustraliaUofAlum05 wrote:Right. If this is indeed what is happening. What would Trier's reasons for even going to class be this year?Olsondogg wrote:So IF it is as speculated, the details matter...to put it in basketball terms, involving an "illegal" substance:
Three years ago, Michigan basketball player Mitch McGary was suspended for a year for testing positive for marijuana during the NCAA Tournament. McGary wasn't even playing in the tournament, as he was out with an injury, but he also was unlucky with timing. He would not have missed any games on his first positive test and wouldn't have been suspended for a season until his third positive test. But because he was suspended for a year by the NCAA, he was essentially forced to leave school early. Which means that the NCAA's penalty wasn't just unfairly harsh; it was counterproductive to the association's stated educational mission.
You can go the Miami football route and hope the NCAA botches the investigation so bad that they just have to ignore whatever you did to resolve it short of them getting embarassed even more.CatFan1399 wrote:The next time that the NCAA makes a wise decision that is in a player's best interest might be the first of its kind. I hope this works out for Trier, but I'm worried.Olsondogg wrote:So IF it is as speculated, the details matter...to put it in basketball terms, involving an "illegal" substance:
Three years ago, Michigan basketball player Mitch McGary was suspended for a year for testing positive for marijuana during the NCAA Tournament. McGary wasn't even playing in the tournament, as he was out with an injury, but he also was unlucky with timing. He would not have missed any games on his first positive test and wouldn't have been suspended for a season until his third positive test. But because he was suspended for a year by the NCAA, he was essentially forced to leave school early. Which means that the NCAA's penalty wasn't just unfairly harsh; it was counterproductive to the association's stated educational mission.
If I had to guess I would say it was the NCAA test. They let Josiah Turner play after failing 3 drug tests, it was the 4th where Miller finally put his foot down. From what 97 was saying it looks like the NCAA is involved and my guess is that it is their test.Olsondogg wrote:Well again...IF this is the case, it is a school test or NCAA. If it was Arizona dealing with a test, they are probably discussing a penalty (if any). If it is NCAA, is he allowed to play pending appeal? The reasons he has for going to class are simple, the APR being one of them, but I get the point.
If you want me to speculate on speculation, it is not an NCAA test...but that's just a guess.
Then stop crossing fingers...UofAlum05 wrote:If I had to guess I would say it was the NCAA test. They let Josiah Turner play after failing 3 drug tests, it was the 4th where Miller finally put his foot down. From what 97 was saying it looks like the NCAA is involved and my guess is that it is their test.Olsondogg wrote:Well again...IF this is the case, it is a school test or NCAA. If it was Arizona dealing with a test, they are probably discussing a penalty (if any). If it is NCAA, is he allowed to play pending appeal? The reasons he has for going to class are simple, the APR being one of them, but I get the point.
If you want me to speculate on speculation, it is not an NCAA test...but that's just a guess.
That's why I tossed out missing a test. If he tested positive on an NCAA test, I can't believe anyone would think there's a great chance that the NCAA will show mercy. If he missed a test and separately submitted a negative test through the school, I could see a pretty good argument for excusing the miss.EVCat wrote:I wouldn't think the staff would be confident about the outcome on an NCAA dirty test unless it has a really, really good backstory...
But, then again, it might not be this at all...
Project still frozen...
is that really as far back as you can go?az91 wrote:Wow, this is potentially terrible news. The program seems somewhat snake bitten after losing Ray Smith to an ACL injury last year and now possibly Trier for a bad test.
It has been a lot longer than Sevun. This is a bunch of BS.Longhorned wrote:is that really as far back as you can go?az91 wrote:Wow, this is potentially terrible news. The program seems somewhat snake bitten after losing Ray Smith to an ACL injury last year and now possibly Trier for a bad test.
Was just thinking about this last night. We really need to contact dude who placed the Sevun curse and send him a fruit basket or something. This is unrealUofAlum05 wrote:It has been a lot longer than Sevun. This is a bunch of BS.Longhorned wrote:is that really as far back as you can go?az91 wrote:Wow, this is potentially terrible news. The program seems somewhat snake bitten after losing Ray Smith to an ACL injury last year and now possibly Trier for a bad test.
Elite Eight vs Utah or Gilbert's shoulder vs Michigan State. Those would be my official starting points for the run of bad luck.Longhorned wrote:is that really as far back as you can go?az91 wrote:Wow, this is potentially terrible news. The program seems somewhat snake bitten after losing Ray Smith to an ACL injury last year and now possibly Trier for a bad test.
The BS behind this stupid curse is that it has affected the football team now. WTH did those guys do to deserve this?Olsondogg wrote:It's cause he really said "Sevun (whisper) teen"
Gardner vs. Walton, I believe.UofAlum05 wrote:The BS behind this stupid curse is that it has affected the football team now. WTH did those guys do to deserve this?Olsondogg wrote:It's cause he really said "Sevun (whisper) teen"
Was it just a dinner? I had always heard there was a full on game plan handed over. That was a team of destiny too....97cats wrote:dinner at Morton's with George Karl -- thats when it all started for me
Plus, it brought us Triangle and Too.97cats wrote:dinner at Morton's with George Karl -- thats when it all started for me
That's heartbreaking, scumdevil. We're a FF program who hasn't been there in a very long time.scumdevils86 wrote:I just wish I had become a fan at some point before 2002 so I would have some first hand experience of knowing the final 4 and beyond successes...
it was dinner -- and a full on game plan was articulated, explained, diagrammed, and delivered on the back of a cocktail napkin.TFCATFAN wrote: Was it just a dinner? I had always heard there was a full on game plan handed over.
gumby wrote: Plus, it brought us Triangle and Too.