Bear Down Wildcats

Welcome Tommy!!!

Merkin wrote: ↑Wed Apr 14, 2021 3:25 pm Sure beats Pastner and Damon, along with no chance JeT and Miles.

gronk4heisman wrote: ↑Wed Apr 14, 2021 3:19 pm

RondaeShimmy wrote: ↑Wed Apr 14, 2021 3:18 pm

gronk4heisman wrote: ↑Wed Apr 14, 2021 3:17 pm 19 pages into the thread, now we can discuss what he can actually do.

Chet Holmgren plz

Batcho opened up a spot for him

Maybe Batcho will come back since Lloyd is very in touch with European players.

I do not think we want him back from what I have heard, he is not at the same level and the scholarship would be better used somewhere else.

Now we should know pretty soon who is transferring and who isn't

My expectations for Basketball are to

1. Win the pac12 season title.
2. Be decent in the pac12 tourney.
3. Make the NCAA tournament.
4. Make it to the sweet 16.

Everything else is gravy.

Goals:
1. Go undefeated at home.
2. Best ASU both times.

If you make a FF or win an NC, great. If not, that's okay for me, assuming your consistently doing 1-4 above.

I guess now I have to add a 5th. Don't get us banned from postseason play due to an FBI investigation.

So it's a pretty fair bar for a program of our tradition.

My goals for football

1. Best ASU.
2. Don't get us banned from post-season play.

That's all. I don't care if we go 1-11. I really don't. Just beat ASU. That's all that matters. Stoops always said "it's just like any other game" like he was the Zen master. Like we were a national title contender and ASU was a blip on our radar. In football that's all we have. It may be small thinking, but it's what it is.


Anywho, if anyone has contact with this guy, you can let him know the expectations. And let the football coach know too. Thanks.

I just hope the kids give Lloyd the chance to re-recruit them.

gronk4heisman wrote: ↑Wed Apr 14, 2021 3:27 pm I do not think we want him back from what I have heard, he is not at the same level and the scholarship would be better used somewhere else.

Well then shut the door! Lloyd can start recruiting Akinjo back for one then.

84Cat wrote: ↑Wed Apr 14, 2021 3:28 pm Now we should know pretty soon who is transferring and who isn't

Do we have any info or guesses on what this means for the current roster? Do we know that any of the players have relationships with LLoyd? Perhaps they are so annoyed about how the firing of Miller was handled that they will leave anyway.

What are we going to call him? CTL doesn't sound near as good as CSM.

billk78 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 14, 2021 3:30 pm

84Cat wrote: ↑Wed Apr 14, 2021 3:28 pm Now we should know pretty soon who is transferring and who isn't

Do we have any info or guesses on what this means for the current roster? Do we know that any of the players have relationships with LLoyd? Perhaps they are so annoyed about how the firing of Miller was handled that they will leave anyway.

I would think all the players will give him a chance to at least share his vision and and a lot will depend on the assistants. If they were so pissed about Miller being fired they would have transferred already.

azgreg wrote: ↑Wed Apr 14, 2021 3:31 pm What are we going to call him? CTL doesn't sound near as good as CSM.

Lloyd Braun

Tommy Boy is name.

Which goes to saying, go with “Tom” when you hit 40 years old.

azgreg wrote: ↑Wed Apr 14, 2021 3:30 pm I just hope the kids give Lloyd the chance to re-recruit them.

I don't. Robbins screwed Miller and the players by lying and saying Sean Miller is our coach.

They deserve to do whatever they want. F*** Robbins, I won't bear any player ill will for leaving. He already hosed them on a month plus of potential movement time if they wanted to.

Just saw it on Sports Center and ran here to check since I know ESPN is full of shit.

azgreg wrote: ↑Wed Apr 14, 2021 3:31 pm What are we going to call him? CTL doesn't sound near as good as CSM.

ACL. Assistant Coach Lloyd.

If he goes on to do great things, he can credit Agent Zero with the motivation.

Readers will remember Hibachi took the 00 jersey because people said that's how many minutes he'd get in the NBA. Then lit it up. Then called Lloyd uncredentialed.

So it would be nice to see it come full circle when Lloyd gets into the HoF after taking Arizona to 10 NCs in a row.

Olsondogg wrote: ↑Wed Apr 14, 2021 3:34 pm Tommy Boy is name.

Which goes to saying, go with “Tom” when you hit 40 years old.

They mad a while move named Tommy Boy. Works for me!

Whew..

azgreg wrote: ↑Wed Apr 14, 2021 3:31 pm What are we going to call him? CTL doesn't sound near as good as CSM.

Risky hire. Remember when UCLA hired an assistant with no head coaching experience? See Lavin, Steve. How did that turn out again?

Still, if Lloyd can recruit top Euros to Spokane, WA, he can get those kids to come to Tucson, AZ. No offense, but Spokane, especially in the winter, is not a place I'd choose to live in.

I also like the offensive sets Gonzaga runs. Up-tempo with a lot of pro-style movement. If I'm Akinjo, and I'm not guaranteed to be drafted in the first round, coming back to Arizona and running Gonzaga's sets are an attractive option. Especially if we can convince Tubelis, Mathurin, and Keriisa to come back as well.

At least we'll play at a faster pace.

Usually Miller's teams pace were ranked in the high 200s

Yep, finally.

Really curious to know if he was their guy all along why did we have all of this extra drama? Did he have second thoughts? Or did dumb and dumber try a last ditch effort for Muss and it pissed Lloyd off so much they had to court him again.

Call Akinjo now. Like right now.

Meh. I guess we'll see.

RondaeShimmy wrote: ↑Wed Apr 14, 2021 3:41 pm At least we'll play at a faster pace.

Usually Miller's teams pace were ranked in the high 200s

Out of interest, I looked back on KenPom.

Pre-2019, Arizona and Gonzaga's offensive rankings are startlingly similar in adjO. Like separated by 2-3 spots every year type similar. For what that's worth, I guess.

I am intrigued. I am also still upset about Miller being fired, and wonder how much more we had to pay to walk Lloyd back from the ledge, but at least I see potential in this hire, something sorely missing from the line that seemed to form behind him.

If he is as successful as Miller, I'll be thrilled. If he exceeds that, well...I'll be even more thrilled to be wrong.

Can't wait to hear his first pressor. Welcome to Arizona Coach!

Dying that we tried to gauge Brad Stevens. That would've lit the world on fire.

gronk4heisman wrote: ↑Wed Apr 14, 2021 3:32 pm

azgreg wrote: ↑Wed Apr 14, 2021 3:31 pm What are we going to call him? CTL doesn't sound near as good as CSM.

Lloyd Braun

Bobby's Boy - BBTL

Finally!!!!

And if he sucks, then we can fire him in 3 years and not feel bad, then hire Damon after he gets pacific into the tourney!!

Not what I'm hoping for. Just saying, easier this way.

Spaceman Spiff wrote: ↑Wed Apr 14, 2021 3:46 pm

RondaeShimmy wrote: ↑Wed Apr 14, 2021 3:41 pm At least we'll play at a faster pace.

Usually Miller's teams pace were ranked in the high 200s

Out of interest, I looked back on KenPom.

Pre-2019, Arizona and Gonzaga's offensive rankings are startlingly similar in adjO. Like separated by 2-3 spots every year type similar. For what that's worth, I guess.

Miller's team are almost always efficient, but slower tempo obviously (Adj-T)

Not my 1st choice but happy with the hire.

Would have preferred to break the bank and pursue Musselman or Pope as a backup.

With Lloyd we will see a pro-style spread offense with screens and hard cuts........which the players should like.
Should be a program that seeks to develop players instead of being a pit stop.......fewer OAD's
Good international recruiter
Familiar with the West Coast and PAC12

Defense will be a question.
How Lloyd handles sitting in the Captains chair will be a bigger question

Welcome aboard coach

I am very excited! What a relief! My work production has been in the toilet all week.

dmjcat wrote: ↑Wed Apr 14, 2021 4:00 pm Should be a program that seeks to develop players instead of being a pit stop.......fewer OAD's

So, we'll have less talented recruits? I'm not convinced the place exists any more where you can develop talent and still have high level talent.

Also, you have to be careful not to develop talent too well (Nnaji, Lauri, Mathurin). If you develop them too well, they leave.

I mean, Gonzaga's had their fair share of OAD's. Holmgren, Suggs, Clarke, Collins, etc. Transfers as well.

So on the one hand Lloyd and Few built Gonzaga together. On the other hand, this is basically hiring Gonzaga's Rosborough. We could have hired Arizona's Rosborough and we didn't. So, here's hoping this guy is able to handle the helm.

Kerr announces transfer

UofAlum05 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 14, 2021 4:13 pm Kerr announces transfer

Really? No shock, but is it true?

UofAlum05 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 14, 2021 4:13 pm Kerr announces transfer

He announced he was entering the transfer portal.........and said he was open to returning to AZ.

azpatnca wrote: ↑Wed Apr 14, 2021 4:11 pm So on the one hand Lloyd and Few built Gonzaga together. On the other hand, this is basically hiring Gonzaga's Rosborough. We could have hired Arizona's Rosborough and we didn't. So, here's hoping this guy is able to handle the helm.

Rosborough was not a recruiter. Lloyd is. He was considered one of the best assistant coaches in the country if not the best. It will be interesting to see how he turns out. Of all the applicants for the coaching position, I believe he was the best choice.

azgreg wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 3:40 pm Cracking1!

Azgreg,

How'd you get my daughter's picture? Wtf Azgreg

UofAlum05 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 14, 2021 4:13 pm Kerr announces transfer

Wondering if Givony sat on the quote...

AzCatFan2 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 14, 2021 3:41 pm Risky hire. Remember when UCLA hired an assistant with no head coaching experience? See Lavin, Steve. How did that turn out again?

4 Sweet 16s and an and additional Elite 8?

Spaceman Spiff wrote: ↑Wed Apr 14, 2021 4:15 pm

UofAlum05 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 14, 2021 4:13 pm Kerr announces transfer

Really? No shock, but is it true?

There is no downside to entering the portal this season. It's a free year.

AzCatFan2 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 14, 2021 3:41 pm Risky hire. Remember when UCLA hired an assistant with no head coaching experience? See Lavin, Steve. How did that turn out again?

Lavin got to the S16 or better in 5 of his 7 seasons at UCLA. So I'd say it turned out better than some people remember. He also recruited like a mutha. Got Baron and Watson and Kapono and a bunch of other future pros.

Merkin wrote: ↑Wed Apr 14, 2021 4:21 pm

AzCatFan2 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 14, 2021 3:41 pm Risky hire. Remember when UCLA hired an assistant with no head coaching experience? See Lavin, Steve. How did that turn out again?

4 Sweet 16s and an and additional Elite 8?

Exactly.

HiCat wrote: ↑Wed Apr 14, 2021 4:17 pm

azgreg wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 3:40 pm Cracking1!

Azgreg,

How'd you get my daughter's picture? Wtf Azgreg

You'll have to ask her. When you see her tell her I've still got her toothbrush.

Our focus should now turn to getting rid of Heeke and Robbins. Regardless of how this turns out it has been a real shit show. I hope Coach Lloyd is wildly successful and will always follow my Cats but absolutely no financial support till these clowns are in our rearview mirror with the car in reverse. Good Luck coach.

To field (court?) a competitive team next season, we really need Mathurin, Akinjo, Kriisa, Tubelis, J Brown and Koloko at a minimum. The more we subtract from that group, the further we'll fall in the standings. Granted, I have no idea which recruits/transfers Lloyd is about to pull out of his hat, but it's awfully late in the recruiting cycle.

TheCat wrote: ↑Wed Apr 14, 2021 4:22 pm Our focus should now turn to getting rid of Heeke and Robbins. Regardless of how this turns out it has been a real shit show. I hope Coach Lloyd is wildly successful and will always follow my Cats but absolutely no financial support till these clowns are in our rearview mirror with the car in reverse. Good Luck coach.

I could support and wish Lloyd good luck when Robbins and Heeke are gone. Before that, he's (fairly or unfairly) a puppet.

If/when Robbins/Heeke leave, it will still suck how Miller got done, but it won't be on Lloyd. Before they're out, every bit of support that goes to Lloyd benefits Robbins/Heeke.

I have never before been less enthused about UA's two major sports. Two coaches without a single win as a head coach. And, just for the shitty way that Sean Miller was treated, I hope both of Robbins's hand picked coaches fail miserably. Then maybe UA can start anew with a new prez and new AD who will be able to build us back better.

Out of the realistic candidates, Lloyd seemed like the best option. Yes, there is some unknown but I’m hopeful.