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AdjO
Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2014 9:41 am
by Olsondogg
#5
AdjD is #7...so technically the offense is better than the defense currently.
Re: AdjO
Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2014 10:36 am
by Chicat
We suck.
Re: AdjO
Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2014 10:49 am
by Alieberman
Can 1 of you basketball nerds explain to one of us basketball idiots who just like watching the big orange ball go through the net thingy, what AdjO and AdjD actually mean / measure?
Re: AdjO
Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2014 10:59 am
by TheBlackLodge
Alieberman wrote:Can 1 of you basketball nerds explain to one of us basketball idiots who just like watching the big orange ball go through the net thingy, what AdjO and AdjD actually mean / measure?
Here's a good place to start:
http://kenpom.com/blog/index.php/weblog ... s_glossary
Re: AdjO
Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2014 10:59 am
by Olsondogg
So in basic terms, AdjO is adjusted offense or the points scored per 100 possessions. AdjD is the opposite...points given up per 100 possessions.
So basically shoot really well and as often as possible...and allow the reverse on defense.
Re: AdjO
Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2014 11:05 am
by Alieberman
Thanks nerds!
So basically it's about efficiency?
Re: AdjO
Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2014 11:07 am
by Olsondogg
Alieberman wrote:Thanks nerds!
So basically it's about efficiency?
Yes. How efficient are you at scoring when you possess the ball.
Re: AdjO
Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2014 11:41 am
by Catstatic
Olsondogg wrote:#5
AdjD is #7...so technically the offense is better than the defense currently.
And we have yet to come close to playing a complete game. I have no doubt our guys will be right there in March with as good as a chance as anyone (even Kentucky) of winning the entire thing.
Go Cats!!
Re: AdjO
Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2014 11:48 am
by Olsondogg
It's funny...the narrative that I read and hear, especially from CBB "experts" on TV seldom holds up statistically. I remember hearing Maclean lament free throw shooting and how bad it's become across CBB, when in fact its never been better.
People can whine about "slow starts" and such, and that's fine. I wish we started games better too. But it's not how you start it's how you finish. Offensively, statistically speaking, this team is more than fine.
Re: AdjO
Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2014 2:51 pm
by KaibabKat
Points per Attempt (PPA) is not nearly as sophisticated as Ken Pomeroy's AdjO but it is still a pretty good measure of overall offensive efficiency.
Here are how Arizona teams rank in PPA (by coach):
1.35 Olson
1.38 O'Neill
1.34 Pennell
1.34 Miller
Highest = 1.54 = 1987-88
Lowest = 1.19 = 2005-06
Only years since 1986-87 considered (three point shot adopted).
Re: AdjO
Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2014 4:08 pm
by cats101
Oh wow but averaging 85+ ppg is more important.
Re: AdjO
Posted: Thu Nov 27, 2014 9:07 am
by Olsondogg
It slipped to #6 in adjo
And #12 in adjd
We suck
Re: AdjO
Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2014 10:12 am
by Olsondogg
AdjO still in top 20 at #15 (AdJD atg #8).
Also sit at #11 in FG %, and are averaging a respectable 76 PPG...but I keep hearing from all sides how offense is a problem....
Can someone explain?
Re: AdjO
Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2014 10:24 am
by KaibabKat
It all depends where you look and whose numbers you like I suppose.
This site
http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/sch ... /2015.html says:
50th Points scored/game
47th Points allowed/game
15th Simple Rating System
85th Strength of Schedule
36th Offensive Rating
34th Defensive Rating
Re: AdjO
Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2014 10:31 am
by salim'sheadband
Arguably more importantly, we're top 30 in raw efficiency. Coming around.
Re: AdjO
Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2014 10:33 am
by Olsondogg
KaibabKat wrote:It all depends where you look and whose numbers you like I suppose.
This site
http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/sch ... /2015.html says:
50th Points scored/game
47th Points allowed/game
15th Simple Rating System
85th Strength of Schedule
36th Offensive Rating
34th Defensive Rating
Ok, so when I hear about offense, tell me the numbers that support the "Arizona struggles offensively" or "Arizona is not efficient".
Re: AdjO
Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2014 10:37 am
by Puerco
Well, i admittedly don't know the difference between Kenpom and team rankings and sports reference, but if our offensive efficiency is ranked only around 30th, then I'm happy to admit that I'm worried.
Happily, I can choose to believe Kenpom instead of the others. Just because I want to.
Re: AdjO
Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2014 10:55 am
by KaibabKat
Olsondogg wrote:Ok, so when I hear about offense, tell me the numbers that support the "Arizona struggles offensively" or "Arizona is not efficient".
Well, you could go here:
http://www.barttorvik.com/trank.htm if you really wanted to worry about it. They show Arizona with an OR% of 31.4% which would rank them at about #167 of the 351 D1 teams.
Re: AdjO
Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2014 10:57 am
by Olsondogg
KaibabKat wrote:Olsondogg wrote:Ok, so when I hear about offense, tell me the numbers that support the "Arizona struggles offensively" or "Arizona is not efficient".
Well, you could go here:
http://www.barttorvik.com/trank.htm if you really wanted to worry about it. They show Arizona with an OR% of 31.4% which would rank them at about #167 of the 351 D1 teams.
I could go to random sites to find something negative. KenPom is pretty damn accurate, however. Also, I can get a good look at a T-bone by sticking my head up a bull's ass, but I'd rather take a butcher's word for it.
Re: AdjO
Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2014 1:04 pm
by WildcatStunner
What is the thing that Kenpom shows? Every team that has won it all was top 20 in adjO and adjD? Did Uconn buck that trend?
Re: AdjO
Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2014 1:12 pm
by KaibabKat
WildcatStunner wrote:What is the thing that Kenpom shows? AdjO, AdjD and a bunch of other stuff. Every team that has won it all was top 20 in adjO and adjD? Yes, since at least 2003 until last year. Did Uconn buck that trend? Yes, they won it with an AdjO of 39.
Re: AdjO
Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2014 1:17 pm
by gumby
So we have a chance. I can stop thinking about next year.
Re: AdjO
Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2015 10:14 pm
by Olsondogg
So, after tonight our AdjO sits at 13.
Our AdjD sits at 10.
Two other teams in the nation have both that reside in the top 15 like Arizona. Those teams are Kentucky and Virginia.
Feel free to repeat this to someone that complains about offense or defense.