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whaaaaaaaaaat?

what the fuck, so dumb. I was really looking forward to watching him next year. Big loss for us. Prob has to sit out a year now

http://tucson.com/sports/blogs/pascoe/u ... b27c2.html

Was this really an academic suspension?

Kid did not want to wait to play I guess. LSU?

not surprised

I wonder what happened between Sunday and today. Can't imagine he would've played if he knew he was transferring.

Come on Rabb

Jefe wrote:what the fuck, so dumb. I was really looking forward to watching him next year. Big loss for us. Prob has to sit out a year now

http://tucson.com/sports/blogs/pascoe/u ... b27c2.html

Was this really an academic suspension?

Yes, unless you think Miller is lying. He played Sunday

Jefe wrote:what the fuck, so dumb. I was really looking forward to watching him next year. Big loss for us. Prob has to sit out a year now

http://tucson.com/sports/blogs/pascoe/u ... b27c2.html

Was this really an academic suspension?

Think he just missed a tutoring session.

Never understood transferring midyear. You have to give up a whole years' eligibility to play half the year after sitting out the year.

University of Transfers

Jefe wrote:Come on Rabb

Wondering if he got word that there would be some more competition at PF.

This does give us some schollie flexibility.

Machina wrote:University of Transfers

Please shut up.

Machina wrote:University of Transfers

Fuck off

This really feels like a shame.

It makes sense that he is transferring. With Bash back this year he wasn't going to get many minutes and then next year could be even worse for him with Anderson and possibly Rabb. Would have liked to see him stick it out and earn some minutes down the line but I don't blame the guy.

Not the least bit surprising

Not surprised, only by the timing. Could mean:

1. Ryan Anderson is tearing it up.
2. Word of incoming recruit.
3. Somebody is staying (unexpectedly)
4. Misses gumbo.
5. But won't miss gumby.

Even if you don't like him, crap like this makes you respect York all the more.

Bummer. I really like his potential. Interesting decision to make it now.

A few days after the Rabb visit....

Disappointing to see him quit like this......having said this, I only want those who want to be here, stick it out.

Good luck to him.

JMarkJohns wrote:Even if you don't like him, crap like this makes you respect York all the more.

Word on the street, one of York, Deem, or Pitts won't be here next year

gumby wrote:Not surprised, only by the timing. Could mean:

1. Ryan Anderson is tearing it up.
2. Word of incoming recruit.
3. Somebody is staying (unexpectedly)
4. Misses gumbo.
5. But won't miss gumby.

Exactly, why leave now especially when you can be part of a potential Final Four team in just a couple of months.

Unless that wasn't an option?

Bosy Billups wrote:

JMarkJohns wrote:Even if you don't like him, crap like this makes you respect York all the more.

Word on the street, one of York, Deem, or Pitts won't be here next year

Not surprising, though if York it would break character.

Machina wrote:University of Transfers

Wrong board, wrong team. Basketball is not a team filled with transfers from other schools. Every now and again but hardly a staple. As for transfers out... We have had a few, and will have more. It does not seem to happen with quite the frequency they did under Lute - and we certainly aren't Oregon. As for the news, very disappointing but I wish CV the best.

Machina should transfer to another board following a program of underdogs and misfit toys. That seems to be your peeps... And that is not Arizona Basketball.

Was the transfer leaked early?

Is it an immediate transfer or at the end of the season? He will have sit out a full year either way right?

More time for Korcheck! not saying this as a joke, I think if this was 2007-2011 he'd be a rotation player for sure.

Well, not being an insider (nor subscribing to any insider info website) this comes as a surprise to me. He's looked rather promising at times on the court and I could definitely see him blossoming into quite a productive player in the future. Guess he just had it in his head that he was a top-level guy and should be starting/playing more. (indeed, espn says it's in search of playing time: http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketb ... ch-playing )

Is anyone able to shed some light on if there was any other factor? Did he clash with/not like someone on the staff? The Tucson feel as a whole? Anything else or was it just as cut and dry as he wanted to see the floor more?

If it's about not getting playing time this year, he's being silly.

If it's about not getting playing time next year and beyond, then he's probably being smart.

Machina wrote:University of Transfers

Was this meant for the Iowa State board?

W t f is going on here.

HiCat wrote:W t f is going on here.

High level D1 programs always experience kids transferring. It's a part of the game.

Yeah but the timing just seems weird.

The timing makes sense. He can be ready for conference play a year from now.

He's got some nice skills and a smoothness about him, and he'll be a solid pickup for a lower-profile program with lower expectations. He just doesn't have the size, talent, and (it would seem) work ethic to earn big minutes in the system going against top level college players in practice. He was going to be a 4-year role player for Arizona. I just hope he goes to a program that he can thrive in, and not make the mistake of going to another program where his chances to be more than a role player aren't any better.

Longhorned wrote:The timing makes sense. He can be ready for conference play a year from now.

He's got some nice skills and a smoothness about him, and he'll be a solid pickup for a lower-profile program with lower expectations. He just doesn't have the size, talent, and (it would seem) work ethic to earn big minutes in the system going against top level college players in practice. He was going to be a 4-year role player for Arizona. I just hope he goes to a program that he can thrive in, and not make the mistake of going to another program where his chances to be more than a role player aren't any better.

So would he have to sit out all next year or just this semester and next semester? Do we think it's LSU or UNLV! LSU is looking to push UK next year

I really wish Machina would transfer

3goggles wrote:Is it an immediate transfer or at the end of the season? He will have sit out a full year either way right?

Full year but be available the second half of the season whatever team he goes to for conference play like LH said.

If he doesn't like not having playing time now, how is that going to work not playing for a year?

Hows the 15 minutes per game working out for Chol at SDSU?

Machina wrote:University of Transfers

Please listen to Chicat.

Merkin wrote:

Jefe wrote:what the fuck, so dumb. I was really looking forward to watching him next year. Big loss for us. Prob has to sit out a year now

http://tucson.com/sports/blogs/pascoe/u ... b27c2.html

Was this really an academic suspension?

Think he just missed a tutoring session.

Never understood transferring midyear. You have to give up a whole years' eligibility to play half the year after sitting out the year.

This.

Oh and I am bummed and timing seemed stupid. I was looking forward for a "Solo-type" career for him in the next 3...

Bosy Billups wrote:

JMarkJohns wrote:Even if you don't like him, crap like this makes you respect York all the more.

Word on the street, one of York, Deem, or Pitts won't be here next year

I don't see it...York, not a chance unless he is on track to graduate this semester. Rarely does a junior want to sit a year to play only one somewhere else.

Kadeem is not going to redshirt just to then transfer.

Pitts? Maybe, but I don't see it.

Alieberman wrote:I really wish Machina would transfer

Post of the thread right there guys.

Longhorned wrote:The timing makes sense. He can be ready for conference play a year from now.

He's got some nice skills and a smoothness about him, and he'll be a solid pickup for a lower-profile program with lower expectations. He just doesn't have the size, talent, and (it would seem) work ethic to earn big minutes in the system going against top level college players in practice. He was going to be a 4-year role player for Arizona. I just hope he goes to a program that he can thrive in, and not make the mistake of going to another program where his chances to be more than a role player aren't any better.

I didn't get that at all. He seemed like an old school junk yard dog. He's only a freshman, add some meat, he would push around fools left and right. I don't think he is lower-profile program talent. He has a chance to blossom into a player if one is willing to wait 2-3 years

Let's not knee-jerk this.

He doesn't want to wait and buy into the "process" and that's fine. Some kids get a rude awakening when they finally see what a real big time elite program is all about. He's probably concerned whether he will really get a lot of minutes either this year or next considering how stacked we are right now and who will be coming in next year.

It happens, but should have no real impact on what SM is trying to achieve.

Bosy Billups wrote:

Longhorned wrote:The timing makes sense. He can be ready for conference play a year from now.

He's got some nice skills and a smoothness about him, and he'll be a solid pickup for a lower-profile program with lower expectations. He just doesn't have the size, talent, and (it would seem) work ethic to earn big minutes in the system going against top level college players in practice. He was going to be a 4-year role player for Arizona. I just hope he goes to a program that he can thrive in, and not make the mistake of going to another program where his chances to be more than a role player aren't any better.

I didn't get that at all. He seemed like an old school junk yard dog. He's only a freshman, add some meat, he would push around fools left and right. I don't think he is lower-profile program talent. He has a chance to blossom into a player if one is willing to wait 2-3 years

I agree with you completely, but I think the issue is that times have changed. You and I look at this kid and see a possibility for something along the lines of Eugene Edgerson, who blossomed in a high profile program. But that's when Lute Olson was building his legacy based partly on his ability to find and develop diamonds in the rough. According to him, he never once won a recruit that UCLA wanted. Eugene probably wouldn't have had the same opportunity in a program that's recruiting at this level. And unlike Eugene, Craig Victor may not be prepared to wait 2-3 years. He can be a big fish faster at a lower profile high major.

Here are the current PER's for the regular rotation players at Arizona (with minutes played):

24.7 Rondae Hollis Jefferson (356)
23.8 Craig Victor (58)
23.7 Stanley Johnson (394)
19.2 Parker Jackson-Cartwright (147)
18.6 T.J. McConnell (405)
18.4 Dusan Ristic (114)
17.5 Brandon Ashley (412)
17.0 Gabe York (314)
14.2 Kaleb Tarczewski (387)
12.3 Elliott Pitts (203)

There shouldn't be much of a question as to why Victor elected to transfer at this time.

Irish27 wrote:http://www.foxsports.com/arizona/story/ ... ler-010615

we lost in the sweet 16 last year....who knew.

but on a serious note, thanks for the link, some noteworthy quotes in there.

Would've loved to have Victor and PJC in a Cats uni in their 3rd and 4th year as some veteran leadership. At a program such as Arizona you have to expect a transfer a year and if this is it then this is it. At least it gives the staff a good amount of time to strategize on their "big board" for that position and how they want to move forward from here in terms of recruiting from HS or an experienced transfer.

Bring on Ryan Anderson
Bring on TJ Leaf
Bring on ____________

Longhorned wrote:

Bosy Billups wrote:

Longhorned wrote:The timing makes sense. He can be ready for conference play a year from now.

He's got some nice skills and a smoothness about him, and he'll be a solid pickup for a lower-profile program with lower expectations. He just doesn't have the size, talent, and (it would seem) work ethic to earn big minutes in the system going against top level college players in practice. He was going to be a 4-year role player for Arizona. I just hope he goes to a program that he can thrive in, and not make the mistake of going to another program where his chances to be more than a role player aren't any better.

I didn't get that at all. He seemed like an old school junk yard dog. He's only a freshman, add some meat, he would push around fools left and right. I don't think he is lower-profile program talent. He has a chance to blossom into a player if one is willing to wait 2-3 years

I agree with you completely, but I think the issue is that times have changed. You and I look at this kid and see a possibility for something along the lines of Eugene Edgerson, who blossomed in a high profile program. But that's when Lute Olson was building his legacy based partly on his ability to find and develop diamonds in the rough. According to him, he never once won a recruit that UCLA wanted. Eugene probably wouldn't have had the same opportunity in a program that's recruiting at this level. And unlike Eugene, Craig Victor may not be prepared to wait 2-3 years. He can be a big fish faster at a lower profile high major.

Craig Victor has the opportunity to be infinitely better than Eugene Edgerson. I know the fans loved him and deservedly so, but he was not a good basketball player.

Craig Victor absolutely could be.

KaibabKat wrote:Here are the current PER's for the regular rotation players at Arizona (with minutes played):

24.7 Rondae Hollis Jefferson (356)
23.8 Craig Victor (58)
23.7 Stanley Johnson (394)
19.2 Parker Jackson-Cartwright (147)
18.6 T.J. McConnell (405)
18.4 Dusan Ristic (114)
17.5 Brandon Ashley (412)
17.0 Gabe York (314)
14.2 Kaleb Tarczewski (387)
12.3 Elliott Pitts (203)

There shouldn't be much of a question as to why Victor elected to transfer at this time.

Right... Because through his statistical analysis he concluded that he should be starting, I mean, because he is obviously the 2nd best player on the team.

Victor received the minutes he should be receiving on this year's team. It's unfortunate for us he is leaving, because I think he had the opportunity to be a significant contributor during his career. But not right here, not right now.

I am sure the right new coach would see the light and such problems would be avoided. You and Machina make quite a pair.

3goggles wrote:

Longhorned wrote:The timing makes sense. He can be ready for conference play a year from now.

He's got some nice skills and a smoothness about him, and he'll be a solid pickup for a lower-profile program with lower expectations. He just doesn't have the size, talent, and (it would seem) work ethic to earn big minutes in the system going against top level college players in practice. He was going to be a 4-year role player for Arizona. I just hope he goes to a program that he can thrive in, and not make the mistake of going to another program where his chances to be more than a role player aren't any better.

So would he have to sit out all next year or just this semester and next semester? Do we think it's LSU or UNLV! LSU is looking to push UK next year

My bet is LSU. They are rising in the SEC and already have a monster incoming class.

Longhorned wrote:

Bosy Billups wrote:

Longhorned wrote:The timing makes sense. He can be ready for conference play a year from now.

He's got some nice skills and a smoothness about him, and he'll be a solid pickup for a lower-profile program with lower expectations. He just doesn't have the size, talent, and (it would seem) work ethic to earn big minutes in the system going against top level college players in practice. He was going to be a 4-year role player for Arizona. I just hope he goes to a program that he can thrive in, and not make the mistake of going to another program where his chances to be more than a role player aren't any better.

I didn't get that at all. He seemed like an old school junk yard dog. He's only a freshman, add some meat, he would push around fools left and right. I don't think he is lower-profile program talent. He has a chance to blossom into a player if one is willing to wait 2-3 years

I agree with you completely, but I think the issue is that times have changed. You and I look at this kid and see a possibility for something along the lines of Eugene Edgerson, who blossomed in a high profile program. But that's when Lute Olson was building his legacy based partly on his ability to find and develop diamonds in the rough. According to him, he never once won a recruit that UCLA wanted. Eugene probably wouldn't have had the same opportunity in a program that's recruiting at this level. And unlike Eugene, Craig Victor may not be prepared to wait 2-3 years. He can be a big fish faster at a lower profile high major.

Yup, 100% right.

He'll got to LSU and team up with Simmons (if eligible). But that's his hometown.

Too bad, moved to Findley, Pasternick put in a lot of work, was excited to be a Wildcats, and then poof.