Bear Down Wildcats

I want a 2 seed for this team, in the west. Yeah I said a 2.

Me too

Naw.... I want a 1 seed in the West with Duke as the 2.

Alieberman wrote:Naw.... I want a 1 seed in the West with Duke as the 2.

I'd take that too...but I don't like the focus on the 1's...seems like an unnecessary burden.

Olsondogg wrote:

Alieberman wrote:Naw.... I want a 1 seed in the West with Duke as the 2.

I'd take that too...but I don't like the focus on the 1's...seems like an unnecessary burden.

This is true. You don't see too many people on TV talking about "Which will be the first 2-seed to fall?".

If we're going to be a 2, I want Gonzaga to be the 1 and obviously I want us to be in the West. If that's not going to happen, then I want to be the 1.

Chicat wrote:

Olsondogg wrote:

Alieberman wrote:Naw.... I want a 1 seed in the West with Duke as the 2.

I'd take that too...but I don't like the focus on the 1's...seems like an unnecessary burden.

This is true. You don't see too many talking about "Which will be the first 2-seed to fall?".

If we're going to be a 2, I want Gonzaga to be the 1 and obviously I want us to be in the West. If that's not going to happen, then I want to be the 1.

Yep.

And hopefully the committee throws us a bone and makes Nova our 2 seed lol

You should want a 1-seed anywhere over a 2-seed in the west.

Wouldn't the fact we travel $o well help us get the 1 $eed.

Longhorned wrote:You should want a 1-seed anywhere over a 2-seed in the west.

Why?

CBCat wrote:Wouldn't the fact we travel $o well help us get the 1 $eed.

Not saying you are wrong, but I don't see how the two relate to each other at this moment. Could you go into more detail why you think this?

Olsondogg wrote:

Longhorned wrote:You should want a 1-seed anywhere over a 2-seed in the west.

Why?

Longhorned really liked watching us play in front of Illinois' home crowd in '05.

Arizona would take over the Honda Center in Anaheim if they stay out west.

Merkin wrote:Arizona would take over the Honda Center in Anaheim if they stay out west.

It's true. But that doesn't matter at all.

Unless, we fall apart over the next 6 weeks, we are either getting the #1 or #2 seed in the West. And there is no difference between them.

There really should not be any drama for AZ fans on Selection Sunday.

Alieberman wrote:Unless, we fall apart over the next 6 weeks, we are either getting the #1 or #2 seed in the West. And there is no difference between them.

There really should not be any drama for AZ fans on Selection Sunday.

Just based on the ESPN bracket,they'd get West Virginia in the Sweet 16 and we'd get Louisville...

Main Event wrote:

Alieberman wrote:Unless, we fall apart over the next 6 weeks, we are either getting the #1 or #2 seed in the West. And there is no difference between them.

There really should not be any drama for AZ fans on Selection Sunday.

Just based on the ESPN bracket,they'd get West Virginia in the Sweet 16 and we'd get Louisville...

I'll worry about matchups when they are actually announced. Years like this year and last, there are really no needs to look at any bracketologists projections. Waste of time.

I know there are some Lunardi haters out there, but I thought this was pretty interesting:

TheBlackLodge wrote:I know there are some Lunardi haters out there, but I thought this was pretty interesting:

Nice that he has that opinion, but he's wrong.

Olsondogg wrote:

TheBlackLodge wrote:I know there are some Lunardi haters out there, but I thought this was pretty interesting:

Nice that he has that opinion, but he's wrong.

You really think we don't re-jump Zaga if we win out?

I'm fairly certain we would.

Alieberman wrote:

Olsondogg wrote:

TheBlackLodge wrote:I know there are some Lunardi haters out there, but I thought this was pretty interesting:

Nice that he has that opinion, but he's wrong.

You really think we don't re-jump Zaga if we win out?

I'm fairly certain we would.

Well first off, I don't think we are winning out this year. Strange to say, and probably read from Odogg...

Secondly, I think that the Zags will win out, and everyone considers their one loss a toss up anyway. We have two "bad" losses already.

I guess if we won the tourney in Vegas I could think differently...

Olsondogg wrote:

Longhorned wrote:You should want a 1-seed anywhere over a 2-seed in the west.

Why?

It's better to face a 4-seed anywhere than a 3-seed in PST. 1-seeds draw a clear path to the Elite Eight. If you get to the Elite Eight as a 2-seed, chances are you're playing a 1-seed. I can't think of a potential 1-seed this year that I want to play before the Final Four.

Longhorned wrote:

Olsondogg wrote:

Longhorned wrote:You should want a 1-seed anywhere over a 2-seed in the west.

Why?

It's better to face a 4-seed anywhere than a 3-seed in PST. 1-seeds draw a clear path to the Elite Eight. If you get to the Elite Eight as a 2-seed, chances are you're playing a 1-seed. I can't think of a potential 1-seed this year that I want to play before the Final Four.

You don't think Arizona could beat Gonzaga again in Anaheim?

Longhorned wrote:

Olsondogg wrote:

Longhorned wrote:You should want a 1-seed anywhere over a 2-seed in the west.

Why?

It's better to face a 4-seed anywhere than a 3-seed in PST. 1-seeds draw a clear path to the Elite Eight. If you get to the Elite Eight as a 2-seed, chances are you're playing a 1-seed. I can't think of a potential 1-seed this year that I want to play before the Final Four.

I get this logic, I do. I just don't see any more comfort playing a 2 versus a 1, or playing a 4 versus a 3.

I mean, Wisconsin was a 2 last year...did it matter?

As for this year, I would not want to play Virginia. I don't really want to see us play Wisconsin or the Zags again...outside of those teams I don't care what potential 1/2 seed we'd have to face. In the tourney, you have to beat good teams at some point.

Oh and I don't want to play SDSU again. I'm just tired of that game.

Merkin wrote:

Longhorned wrote:

Olsondogg wrote:

Longhorned wrote:You should want a 1-seed anywhere over a 2-seed in the west.

Why?

It's better to face a 4-seed anywhere than a 3-seed in PST. 1-seeds draw a clear path to the Elite Eight. If you get to the Elite Eight as a 2-seed, chances are you're playing a 1-seed. I can't think of a potential 1-seed this year that I want to play before the Final Four.

You don't think Arizona could beat Gonzaga again in Anaheim?

With all the blood that's in my veins, and with all the gravy in my brains, I don't believe that Gonzaga is making it to any Elite Eight. A 1-seed is wasted on them. They gave a fledgling Arizona team a game in November, but elite teams are forged in the course of conference play. Gonzaga won't have beaten any good teams by the time March gets here. In Lunardi's current bracket, they'd lose to NC State or WVU or whatever, while Arizona would have to get past Louisville in the lower part of the bracket. Yes, I think Arizona would beat Gonzaga, but I don't think Gonzaga will get there for that opportunity. Give them the 2-seed they deserve and let them get out-toughed by a poor-shooting Louisville team.

If Az doesn't get a 1 seed the only 1 seed I don't want is Kentucky.

Olsondogg wrote:

Longhorned wrote:

Olsondogg wrote:

Longhorned wrote:You should want a 1-seed anywhere over a 2-seed in the west.

Why?

It's better to face a 4-seed anywhere than a 3-seed in PST. 1-seeds draw a clear path to the Elite Eight. If you get to the Elite Eight as a 2-seed, chances are you're playing a 1-seed. I can't think of a potential 1-seed this year that I want to play before the Final Four.

As for this year, I would not want to play Virginia. .

I would love to play Virginia. I saw that Duke game on Saturday and was not impressed - at all.

I'm curious: which team out there, besides UK, scares you for March?

Golden State

Longhorned wrote:

Olsondogg wrote:

Longhorned wrote:You should want a 1-seed anywhere over a 2-seed in the west.

Why?

It's better to face a 4-seed anywhere than a 3-seed in PST. 1-seeds draw a clear path to the Elite Eight. If you get to the Elite Eight as a 2-seed, chances are you're playing a 1-seed. I can't think of a potential 1-seed this year that I want to play before the Final Four.

Yep. Would always rather see a 4 seed in the Sweet 16 than a 3 seed assuming form holds, especially this year when I think there's a fair gap between the Top 10-12 teams and the next tier based on what I've watched. Just to use Lunardi's latest bracket as an example, it would mean the difference between playing Iowa State, North Carolina, Notre Dame or Louisville -- or -- VCU, West Virginia, Maryland or Utah. Easy call. I'd take a #1 seed with, say, a Portland/Houston path over the #2 seed in the West.

1.Kansas
2.Kentucky
3.Virginia
4.Arizona

http://www.ncaa.com/rankings/basketball ... etball-rpi

Just keep doing what you do and it'll come

Olsondogg wrote:I want a 2 seed for this team, in the west. Yeah I said a 2.

I'll go with the odds: 1 seed. And if we win out, it is ours. People get too freaked out about the most recent game or the most recent tournament.

http://bracketodds.cs.illinois.edu/F4.html

Total appearances since 1985:

1 seed: 48
2 seed: 26
3 seed: 14
4 seed: 13

Rest: Single digits. Last year? Bad example: First time a 7 seed made it.

Must be reasons for these results. But if you want to stick with "feelings" and magical thinking, OK.

Why a fan would not want their team to be the best in college sports is something I would never understand.

Just a lot of loser talk like flying under the radar is a good thing or worrying about what 18-23 year old men wear or blaming refs or other outside factors for losses.

Thanks Machina for setting everyone straight on how they should think and what is and is not "loser talk".

Ready to tell everyone about the time Sean Miller blamed the fans for a loss? Or would that be more "loser talk"?

Is anyone else sort of irritated that Miller hasn't won the Pac tourney yet? We haven't won the damn thing since '02!! Sorta feel like winning it this year could be our final argument for a #1 seed, especially if we only lose one more reg season game.

Beachcat97 wrote:Is anyone else sort of irritated that Miller hasn't won the Pac tourney yet? We haven't won the damn thing since '02!! Sorta feel like winning it this year could be our final argument for a #1 seed, especially if we only lose one more reg season game.

Extremely, but it is what it is at this point. Just look forward at this point.

But yes the Cats will be a 1 seed if they only drop one more game.

Machina wrote:

Beachcat97 wrote:Is anyone else sort of irritated that Miller hasn't won the Pac tourney yet? We haven't won the damn thing since '02!! Sorta feel like winning it this year could be our final argument for a #1 seed, especially if we only lose one more reg season game.

Extremely, but it is what it is at this point. Just look forward at this point.

But yes the Cats will be a 1 seed if they only drop one more game.

I think we're a 2 seed (or even a 3, depending on what other teams are doing) if we fail to win the Pac tourney, given how weak the Pac is this year. A lot of the teams in play for 2 seeds are trending upward right now.

Teams that can compete for a 1 or 2 seed besides Gonzaga and Kentucky with number of games against top teams remaining. Does not consider conference tournaments.

Wisconsin 2
Virginia 2
Duke 3
Villanova 2
Louisville 3
Norte Dame 2
Iowa State 5
Kansas 5

Arizona 1

Cats win out or lose 1 more, they are a #1 seed.

Machina wrote:Teams that can compete for a 1 or 2 seed besides Gonzaga and Kentucky with number of games against top teams remaining. Does not consider conference tournaments.

Wisconsin 2
Virginia 2
Duke 3
Villanova 2
Louisville 3
Norte Dame 2
Iowa State 5
Kansas 5

Arizona 1

Cats win out or lose 1 more, they are a #1 seed.

Disagree. If we lose in the Pac tourney, and Gonzaga wins out, they're the #1 in the West, and we're the 2.

Beachcat97 wrote:

Machina wrote:Teams that can compete for a 1 or 2 seed besides Gonzaga and Kentucky with number of games against top teams remaining. Does not consider conference tournaments.

Wisconsin 2
Virginia 2
Duke 3
Villanova 2
Louisville 3
Norte Dame 2
Iowa State 5
Kansas 5

Arizona 1

Cats win out or lose 1 more, they are a #1 seed.

Disagree. If we lose in the Pac tourney, and Gonzaga wins out, they're the #1 in the West, and we're the 2.

Perhaps you are right, but then the Cats would likely be the #1 in the South.

Machina wrote:

Beachcat97 wrote:

Machina wrote:Teams that can compete for a 1 or 2 seed besides Gonzaga and Kentucky with number of games against top teams remaining. Does not consider conference tournaments.

Wisconsin 2
Virginia 2
Duke 3
Villanova 2
Louisville 3
Norte Dame 2
Iowa State 5
Kansas 5

Arizona 1

Cats win out or lose 1 more, they are a #1 seed.

Disagree. If we lose in the Pac tourney, and Gonzaga wins out, they're the #1 in the West, and we're the 2.

Perhaps you are right, but then the Cats would likely be the #1 in the South.

I'd rather be the 2 in the West than the 1 in the South, but that's just me.

I think the point is that Gonzaga has greater control over their tourney seed than we do, however slightly.

Beachcat97 wrote:

Machina wrote:

Beachcat97 wrote:

Machina wrote:Teams that can compete for a 1 or 2 seed besides Gonzaga and Kentucky with number of games against top teams remaining. Does not consider conference tournaments.

Wisconsin 2
Virginia 2
Duke 3
Villanova 2
Louisville 3
Norte Dame 2
Iowa State 5
Kansas 5

Arizona 1

Cats win out or lose 1 more, they are a #1 seed.

Disagree. If we lose in the Pac tourney, and Gonzaga wins out, they're the #1 in the West, and we're the 2.

Perhaps you are right, but then the Cats would likely be the #1 in the South.

I'd rather be the 2 in the West than the 1 in the South, but that's just me.

I think the point is that Gonzaga has greater control over their tourney seed than we do, however slightly.

Fair enough but if both Gonzaga and Arizona win out, Arizona would be the #1 in the West according to Joe L.

Lutardi is far from accurate. Especially at this point in a season. I am just awaiting for ESPN to go to the live Skype shot of him sitting with his box of tissues in a jizz filled hotel room.

Eagerly waiting?

Apparently, according to Luke Winn of SI, Arizona (and 'Tah) are 2 of 8 schools that could win it all.


He has Wichita State on the list too...


I guess seeds don't matter at all guys.

Bill Walton says seeds matter,

Beachcat97 wrote:Is anyone else sort of irritated that Miller hasn't won the Pac tourney yet? We haven't won the damn thing since '02!! Sorta feel like winning it this year could be our final argument for a #1 seed, especially if we only lose one more reg season game.

He touched the ball, he touched the ball, he touched the ball, in other words, he touched the ball...

gumby wrote:Bill Walton says seeds matter,

If we're in the West, it doesn't matter whether we're the 1 or the 2. Staples will be absolutely out of control - which is a much better situation as the 2 than as a 1 playing in Houston.
I've already got my request in for the suite so we better stay out West.

legallykenny wrote:If we're in the West, it doesn't matter whether we're the 1 or the 2. Staples will be absolutely out of control - which is a much better situation as the 2 than as a 1 playing in Houston.
I've already got my request in for the suite so we better stay out West.

I get what you're saying at a balls-to-the-walls emotional level. But it does matter because after selecting the field, the committee's charge is to seed teams by agreed-upon measures of relative strength, and then to bracket those teams to give the higher seeds an easier path to the Final Four than lower seeded teams get. The statistics reflect the greater success enjoyed by higher seeded teams. Arizona fans will be out of control regardless.

If the Cats win at Utah and ultimately win out in the regular season, as long as they make it to the Pac 12 tourny title game, I still think they are the #1 in the West. Keeping things short (we all know the arguments for us and against Gonzaga), if the aforementioned happens, I see Gonzaga still being a 1 seed but being in the south. Pretty much half of their wins are against the RPI 151+, 2/3 are 100+ and that will not get any better as time passes.

Kind of like, yea, we will give you your one seed, but we aint gonna make it easy on you. Last year Wichita St got their 1 seed, but in an absolutely brutal bracket.