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No More Freshmans!!!

Posted: Fri Feb 13, 2015 4:42 pm
by 3goggles
This would be interesting to say the least!

http://247sports.com/Bolt/Report-NCAA-c ... --35622372

Re: No More Freshmans!!!

Posted: Fri Feb 13, 2015 4:56 pm
by 84Cat
Larry Scott proves once again that he is unfit to be a conference commissioner.

Re: No More Freshmans!!!

Posted: Fri Feb 13, 2015 5:17 pm
by JMarkJohns
They'll all go to Europe or Asia and D League meaning the college game never glimpses the elite of the elite talents.

How is that good for business?

Two-year/20 is the right and only sensible way to go to find balance, to reinforce education. It maybe weeds out the one or two Jennings/Mudiays each year, but I think even studs like Okafor, Stanley, etc would stay/play 2 years if required.

This coupled with draft allowances similar to MLB draft allowing non-1sts the right to go back to school and re-enter to improve draft stock, and allowing players to capilalize on own celebrity for pocket money, and I think you'll get strong results yearly.

Re: No More Freshmans!!!

Posted: Fri Feb 13, 2015 5:24 pm
by gumby
Does two-year/20 require NBA cooperation?

Re: No More Freshmans!!!

Posted: Fri Feb 13, 2015 5:31 pm
by Bosy Billups
It's all talk, smoke and mirrors.

These are just designed to put pressure on the NBA to implement the 2 year rule.

Re: No More Freshmans!!!

Posted: Fri Feb 13, 2015 5:32 pm
by JMarkJohns
gumby wrote:Does two-year/20 require NBA cooperation?
Yeah, but it's happening. The Players Association just needs to sign off, and I've been told they genuinely don't care about it, but won't just yield a bargaining chip.

But I'm convinced it will happen.

Re: No More Freshmans!!!

Posted: Fri Feb 13, 2015 5:36 pm
by PHXCATS
84Cat wrote:Larry Scott proves once again that he is unfit to be a conference commissioner.
Maybe but this is just a public statement to get the nbapa to agree to a 20/2 year rule.

Larry sucks though

Re: No More Freshmans!!!

Posted: Fri Feb 13, 2015 6:17 pm
by gumby
JMarkJohns wrote:
gumby wrote:Does two-year/20 require NBA cooperation?
Yeah, but it's happening. The Players Association just needs to sign off, and I've been told they genuinely don't care about it, but won't just yield a bargaining chip.

But I'm convinced it will happen.
Sure hope so. That would be the best.

Re: No More Freshmans!!!

Posted: Fri Feb 13, 2015 6:19 pm
by gumby
PHXCATS wrote:
84Cat wrote:Larry Scott proves once again that he is unfit to be a conference commissioner.
Maybe but this is just a public statement to get the nbapa to agree to a 20/2 year rule.

Larry sucks though
Right, and Bowlsby said it, too. Big Ten. Glad for this rhetoric and, hopefully, movement in this direction.

Re: No More Freshmans!!!

Posted: Fri Feb 13, 2015 6:20 pm
by Merkin
Remember when Lew Alcindor's UCLA freshmen team beat the UCLA varsity team?

Re: No More Freshmans!!!

Posted: Fri Feb 13, 2015 8:00 pm
by 3goggles
JMarkJohns wrote:They'll all go to Europe or Asia and D League meaning the college game never glimpses the elite of the elite talents.

How is that good for business?

Two-year/20 is the right and only sensible way to go to find balance, to reinforce education. It maybe weeds out the one or two Jennings/Mudiays each year, but I think even studs like Okafor, Stanley, etc would stay/play 2 years if required.

This coupled with draft allowances similar to MLB draft allowing non-1sts the right to go back to school and re-enter to improve draft stock, and allowing players to capilalize on own celebrity for pocket money, and I think you'll get strong results yearly.
Wouldn't the 2/20 rule force kids to Europe too?

Re: No More Freshmans!!!

Posted: Sat Feb 14, 2015 12:37 pm
by JMarkJohns
3goggles wrote:
JMarkJohns wrote:They'll all go to Europe or Asia and D League meaning the college game never glimpses the elite of the elite talents.

How is that good for business?

Two-year/20 is the right and only sensible way to go to find balance, to reinforce education. It maybe weeds out the one or two Jennings/Mudiays each year, but I think even studs like Okafor, Stanley, etc would stay/play 2 years if required.

This coupled with draft allowances similar to MLB draft allowing non-1sts the right to go back to school and re-enter to improve draft stock, and allowing players to capilalize on own celebrity for pocket money, and I think you'll get strong results yearly.
Wouldn't the 2/20 rule force kids to Europe too?
One of two, maybe (hence why I referenced the Jennings/Mudiays). But two years is no where near the issue freshman ineligibity is. No elite athlete will sit and not play for an entire year while taking classes. If they can play/star, then they are far more likely to play in college, even if required for two years. Those who can't make grades or who need cash fast, they'll always go overseas, even if just a 1-year/19 rule. I don't care about them because they are never stepping foot on campus without clouds of ineligibility and impropriety anyways. So force them to go, but keep the good kids, good students who happen to be elite, and establish parameters that allow them to cash in on celebrity and that can keep them in school longer if drafted outside 1st round.

I've discussed my rule on returning draftees.

With 2nd-round contracts, the year, the price total is negotiable. Let's say a player dislikes his years/price, so he returns to college to improve signing stock as a junior with original drafting team retaining his rights. If he still doesn't sign as a junior, and he graduates from school, he is now eligible to re-enter the draft to be drafted by a differnt team, maybe as a 1st with longer tenure and higher price of guarantees money.

With incentives, this gives drafting team rights for a year or two for early entrees, and rewards kids for getting their degree by having more control. This with allowances on benefits from own celebrity will keep many kids in school longer, even with a two year minimum.