Why can't we consistently fill AZ Stadium?

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Fri Sep 22, 2017 12:18 pm

CalStateTempe wrote:Stanford has a nice soccer stadium.

The thing is a rickety aluminum dump.

Yes good sight lines (because it is small) and decent enough renos that they could pay for (because it is small) but do not want.

I doubt it will survive the next big one it's so flimsy and aluminumy

Are you drunk?

CalStateTempe · Post by **CalStateTempe** » Fri Sep 22, 2017 12:19 pm

I like what they did with the cal stadium, the price wasn't so much on the build but more so what was spent on permitting for a "historical building" and legal fees from the NIMBYs and tree sitters who delayed whenever they could leading to cost overruns.

CalStateTempe · Post by **CalStateTempe** » Fri Sep 22, 2017 12:23 pm

azgreg wrote:
CalStateTempe wrote:Stanford has a nice soccer stadium.

The thing is a rickety aluminum dump.

Yes good sight lines (because it is small) and decent enough renos that they could pay for (because it is small) but do not want.

I doubt it will survive the next big one it's so flimsy and aluminumy
Are you drunk?

On hatred for all things at the venture caplitalist farm ie furd, yes.

I've been there for a few quakes games and every cats game since they opened the damn thing. I think the same thing every time. Flimsy aluminum junk.

The only thing its good for is giving furd alum a chub for "selling out a stadium" when they decide to show after cocktailing it up offsite for the first 2quarters

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Fri Sep 22, 2017 1:08 pm

CalStateTempe wrote:
azgreg wrote:
CalStateTempe wrote:Stanford has a nice soccer stadium.

The thing is a rickety aluminum dump.

Yes good sight lines (because it is small) and decent enough renos that they could pay for (because it is small) but do not want.

I doubt it will survive the next big one it's so flimsy and aluminumy
Are you drunk?
On hatred for all things at the venture caplitalist farm ie furd, yes.

I've been there for a few quakes games and every cats game since they opened the damn thing. I think the same thing every time. Flimsy aluminum junk.

The only thing its good for is giving furd alum a chub for "selling out a stadium" when they decide to show after cocktailing it up offsite for the first 2quarters

Why are you bringing up their soccer field?

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Fri Sep 22, 2017 1:16 pm

CalStateTempe wrote: I doubt it will survive the next big one it's so flimsy and aluminumy

Maybe that is why it will survive the big one.

CalStateTempe · Post by **CalStateTempe** » Fri Sep 22, 2017 2:15 pm

azgreg wrote:
CalStateTempe wrote:
azgreg wrote:
CalStateTempe wrote:Stanford has a nice soccer stadium.

The thing is a rickety aluminum dump.

Yes good sight lines (because it is small) and decent enough renos that they could pay for (because it is small) but do not want.

I doubt it will survive the next big one it's so flimsy and aluminumy
Are you drunk?
On hatred for all things at the venture caplitalist farm ie furd, yes.

I've been there for a few quakes games and every cats game since they opened the damn thing. I think the same thing every time. Flimsy aluminum junk.

The only thing its good for is giving furd alum a chub for "selling out a stadium" when they decide to show after cocktailing it up offsite for the first 2quarters
Why are you bringing up their soccer field?

Because that is what their "football stadium and field" actually are. I was being pejorative.

ASUHATER! · Post by **ASUHATER!** » Fri Sep 22, 2017 5:13 pm

Another thing to consider with rebuilding out stadium is the mirror lab. It's under/inside the east side and is a set place that's used to make astronomical mirrors.

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Fri Sep 22, 2017 9:05 pm

ASUHATER! wrote:Another thing to consider with rebuilding out stadium is the mirror lab. It's under/inside the east side and is a set place that's used to make astronomical mirrors.

That's an excellent point and makes a renovation much tougher.

BibbysTowelDude · Post by **BibbysTowelDude** » Sat Sep 23, 2017 8:15 am

It's clearly more valuable on multiple levels than Arizona Football. On a moral level I'd can UA Football before the lab.

Alieberman · Post by **Alieberman** » Sat Sep 23, 2017 8:58 am

Can't we just use the mirrors to make the stadium look full?

scumdevils86 · Post by **scumdevils86** » Sat Sep 23, 2017 9:04 am

And blind everyone in the process. Or maybe that'd help.

Alieberman · Post by **Alieberman** » Sat Sep 23, 2017 9:13 am

scumdevils86 wrote:And blind everyone in the process. Or maybe that'd help.

Yes even better, then we wouldn't have to see the garbage being played on the field.

wyo-cat · Post by **wyo-cat** » Sat Sep 23, 2017 10:07 am

ASUHATER! wrote:Another thing to consider with rebuilding out stadium is the mirror lab. It's under/inside the east side and is a set place that's used to make astronomical mirrors.

They are planning to expand the mirror lab, I've heard.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Thu Oct 19, 2017 8:05 am

But not Arizona stadium?

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Thu Oct 19, 2017 8:09 am

Merkin wrote:But not Arizona stadium?

Not yet....

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Thu Oct 19, 2017 8:13 am

azgreg wrote:
Merkin wrote:But not Arizona stadium?

Not yet....

Or soon.

"though there is no current plan to do"

Gilbertcat · Post by **Gilbertcat** » Thu Oct 19, 2017 8:51 am

New AD's first home-run decision. At least to try anyways. Although my wife wont be happy if she has to be the one to drive back up

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Thu Oct 19, 2017 9:00 am

I thought I heard or read somewhere they are trying to work the alcohol sales at football to the changes they are making to the stadium He mentioned that sitting on a hard bench does make for a good experience and that thy want to give fans a place to go during the games to watch and have a cold one.

I would imagine those small corridors and bathrooms on the east side would bring lots of complaints if they sold beer an people were standing in line for a stretch and then in line for the bathroom when you had to break the seal

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Thu Oct 19, 2017 10:06 am

Merkin wrote:But not Arizona stadium?

I would assume there's a larger concern with football. Tailgating, longer game, more people, there a lot of factors that point towards a higher likelihood of people overindulging and getting into things that create liability issues at football games.

Basketball, people have a pregame beer and maybe a second at the half. Football, people pregame it, roll in with a decent BAC and have more time to push things too far.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Thu Oct 19, 2017 10:13 am

Spaceman Spiff wrote:
I would assume there's a larger concern with football. Tailgating, longer game, more people, there a lot of factors that point towards a higher likelihood of people overindulging and getting into things that create liability issues at football games.

I think one factor is that McKale is full of upscale blue hairs who tend not to chug and barf.

Much younger crowd at the football games.

Back when I was in college 81-85, you could actually bring liquor into Arizona stadium, just not in hard containers like bottles or cans. I don't if there was a rule against alcohol, probably was, but they never checked the contents.

These bota bags were real common, concerts too allowed them.

I see these at BevMo, for "airplane travel" but can sneak them anywhere.

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Thu Oct 19, 2017 10:16 am

azcat49 wrote:I thought I heard or read somewhere they are trying to work the alcohol sales at football to the changes they are making to the stadium He mentioned that sitting on a hard bench does make for a good experience and that thy want to give fans a place to go during the games to watch and have a cold one.

I would imagine those small corridors and bathrooms on the east side would bring lots of complaints if they sold beer an people were standing in line for a stretch and then in line for the bathroom when you had to break the seal

As I have been hinting at this for basketball for two months now, expect beer in AZ Stadium 2019

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Thu Oct 19, 2017 10:17 am

Spaceman Spiff wrote:
Merkin wrote:But not Arizona stadium?

I would assume there's a larger concern with football. Tailgating, longer game, more people, there a lot of factors that point towards a higher likelihood of people overindulging and getting into things that create liability issues at football games.

Basketball, people have a pregame beer and maybe a second at the half. Football, people pregame it, roll in with a decent BAC and have more time to push things too far.

NFL yes, college no.

Been to a few college non-bowl games with beer and never seen an issue

scumdevils86 · Post by **scumdevils86** » Thu Oct 19, 2017 10:24 am

Could swear I saw some article or study a few years ago where it showed that stadiums that served booze had actually less incidents than those that didn't. Dunno.

CalStateTempe · Post by **CalStateTempe** » Thu Oct 19, 2017 10:39 am

Why do college bowl games have beer but it NCAA tourney games?

Made the Xavier experience that much more painful. Although in hindsight for public safety reasons probably better lol.

EVCat · Post by **EVCat** » Thu Oct 19, 2017 10:45 am

My understanding was the big part of the reno is literally knocking the west side down and starting over, with boxes, press boxes, stands, etc.

The east side has some prettying to do, but there aren't going to be any seismic changes on that side, and the mirror lab is very likely the reason.

EVCat · Post by **EVCat** » Thu Oct 19, 2017 10:46 am

CalStateTempe wrote:Why do college bowl games have beer but it NCAA tourney games?

Made the Xavier experience that much more painful. Although in hindsight for public safety reasons probably better lol.

The tournament games are NCAA events, put on by the NCAA and the "site" school.

Bowls are private entities..

That's how I heard it...

scumdevils86 · Post by **scumdevils86** » Thu Oct 19, 2017 10:50 am

Yea on the east side I can't see much being done than redoing the seating/bathrooms/concessions.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Thu Oct 19, 2017 10:58 am

scumdevils86 wrote:Could swear I saw some article or study a few years ago where it showed that stadiums that served booze had actually less incidents than those that didn't. Dunno.

That doesn't matter. Regarding liability, if a stadium serves alcohol, you can sue them for overserving and a role in any incident. If you don't serve, zero suits get filed on that basis.

It isn't about the number of incidents, it's about the number of lawsuits.

qwertyus · Post by **qwertyus** » Thu Oct 19, 2017 11:13 am

ASUHATER! wrote:Another thing to consider with rebuilding out stadium is the mirror lab. It's under/inside the east side and is a set place that's used to make astronomical mirrors.

"Used to"?

Pretty sure they still do. IIRC from my Astronomy class back in 2015 (really cool class, btw, learned a lot about exoplanets and the potential for life in space, very cool), they were making mirrors for the infrared Giant Magellan Telescope.

Maybe a new stadium means a bigger kiln for the lab? That'd be pretty cool!

scumdevils86 · Post by **scumdevils86** » Thu Oct 19, 2017 11:16 am

"that's used to"

means...the mirror lab currently makes them.

wat.

Jefe · Post by **Jefe** » Thu Oct 19, 2017 11:24 am

You can take guided tours during the week. Ive done it twice and its incredible. I just called and they are loading glass into the latest mirror on Monday which only happens once every 2 years. Would be awesome to see that done

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Thu Oct 19, 2017 11:39 am

Spaceman Spiff wrote:
scumdevils86 wrote:Could swear I saw some article or study a few years ago where it showed that stadiums that served booze had actually less incidents than those that didn't. Dunno.
That doesn't matter. Regarding liability, if a stadium serves alcohol, you can sue them for overserving and a role in any incident. If you don't serve, zero suits get filed on that basis.

It isn't about the number of incidents, it's about the number of lawsuits.

Never stopped the NFL and again, I have been to multiple college games that are not bowl games that sell and have never once seen a problem. It isnt the deal you think it is

qwertyus · Post by **qwertyus** » Thu Oct 19, 2017 12:21 pm

scumdevils86 wrote:"that's used to"

means...the mirror lab currently makes them.

wat.

Eh, I read it slightly wrong. Sue me.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Thu Oct 19, 2017 5:49 pm

PHXCATS wrote:
Spaceman Spiff wrote:
scumdevils86 wrote:Could swear I saw some article or study a few years ago where it showed that stadiums that served booze had actually less incidents than those that didn't. Dunno.
That doesn't matter. Regarding liability, if a stadium serves alcohol, you can sue them for overserving and a role in any incident. If you don't serve, zero suits get filed on that basis.

It isn't about the number of incidents, it's about the number of lawsuits.
Never stopped the NFL and again, I have been to multiple college games that are not bowl games that sell and have never once seen a problem. It isnt the deal you think it is

The NFL is a business that runs a massive profit. College athletic departments generally run at a loss. One has way more vulnerability.

ASUHATER! · Post by **ASUHATER!** » Thu Oct 19, 2017 5:56 pm

It's a no brainer to sell beer at the stadium

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Fri Oct 20, 2017 6:15 am

Spaceman Spiff wrote:
PHXCATS wrote:
Spaceman Spiff wrote:
scumdevils86 wrote:Could swear I saw some article or study a few years ago where it showed that stadiums that served booze had actually less incidents than those that didn't. Dunno.
That doesn't matter. Regarding liability, if a stadium serves alcohol, you can sue them for overserving and a role in any incident. If you don't serve, zero suits get filed on that basis.

It isn't about the number of incidents, it's about the number of lawsuits.
Never stopped the NFL and again, I have been to multiple college games that are not bowl games that sell and have never once seen a problem. It isnt the deal you think it is
The NFL is a business that runs a massive profit. College athletic departments generally run at a loss. One has way more vulnerability.

Insurance

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Fri Oct 20, 2017 6:41 am

EVCat wrote:My understanding was the big part of the reno is literally knocking the west side down and starting over, with boxes, press boxes, stands, etc.

The east side has some prettying to do, but there aren't going to be any seismic changes on that side, and the mirror lab is very likely the reason.

Overall capacity will be affected by this (for the better).

azpenguin · Post by **azpenguin** » Fri Oct 20, 2017 7:45 am

Byrne said a while back when they were talking about the possibility of selling beer at the stadium that they needed to get the infrastructure up to par first. If they're selling beer they're going to need to make sure the bathrooms are better than they currently are in many parts of the stadium.

prh · Post by **prh** » Fri Oct 20, 2017 8:02 am

EVCat wrote:
CalStateTempe wrote:Why do college bowl games have beer but it NCAA tourney games?

Made the Xavier experience that much more painful. Although in hindsight for public safety reasons probably better lol.
The tournament games are NCAA events, put on by the NCAA and the "site" school.

Bowls are private entities..

That's how I heard it...

This is correct. Same as when Hi Corbett hosted NCAA regionals and supers, they couldn't sell alcohol.

HaCats · Post by **HaCats** » Wed Oct 25, 2017 3:33 pm

Anyone heard an update on how ticket sales are looking for Saturday night? With a ranked opponent, Homecoming, optimal kickoff time, us riding a 3 game conference winning streak and the arrival of a possible breakout star player at QB.......it will be real disappointing if the place isn't at least 90-95% capacity.

CalStateTempe · Post by **CalStateTempe** » Wed Oct 25, 2017 3:42 pm

Equally disappointing, why is the game on PACN?

HaCats · Post by **HaCats** » Wed Oct 25, 2017 3:46 pm

I think the answer to that is.....even though both teams have good records, neither team is in the LA, Bay Area, Seattle or Phoenix tv market.

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Wed Oct 25, 2017 3:58 pm

HaCats wrote:Anyone heard an update on how ticket sales are looking for Saturday night? With a ranked opponent, Homecoming, optimal kickoff time, us riding a 3 game conference winning streak and the arrival of a possible breakout star player at QB.......it will be real disappointing if the place isn't at least 90-95% capacity.

Hover over each section to see what's available.

https://ev12.evenue.net/cgi-bin/ncommer ... e=FBS&cgc=" target="_blank

UALoco · Post by **UALoco** » Wed Oct 25, 2017 4:22 pm

azgreg wrote:
HaCats wrote:Anyone heard an update on how ticket sales are looking for Saturday night? With a ranked opponent, Homecoming, optimal kickoff time, us riding a 3 game conference winning streak and the arrival of a possible breakout star player at QB.......it will be real disappointing if the place isn't at least 90-95% capacity.
Hover over each section to see what's available.

https://ev12.evenue.net/cgi-bin/ncommer ... e=FBS&cgc=" target="_blank

I do this before every game. I am always hoping to see nothing but grey dots but am always greeted by lots of green(for sale) dots. I will hold out hope that last-minute sales and walk-up traffic will fill the stadium. The Zona Zoo filling up their sections makes a huge difference in crowd noise and how it looks on TV. There is NO reason not to be there. It is not on national TV so you can't watch at home, kick-off is at a respectable time(perfect for tailgating all day), we are "consistently winning" now with 3 pac-12 wins in a row, we have one of the hottest players in CFB right now, we are playing a top 20 team, playing the #1 team in the P12 north, and we are in the mix for the P12 south championship. I'm sure there will be excuses but none that satisfy.

scumdevils86 · Post by **scumdevils86** » Wed Oct 25, 2017 4:37 pm

I'll be in Phoenix.

Jefe · Post by **Jefe** » Wed Oct 25, 2017 4:56 pm

Last home game was a little over 48K thanks to parents week. We've gotta crack 50K this weekend

ASUHATER! · Post by **ASUHATER!** » Wed Oct 25, 2017 6:13 pm

3 game win streak and homecoming will put it over 50 barely

UALoco · Post by **UALoco** » Fri Oct 27, 2017 9:22 am

Well, I'll have to agree with ASUHater for once. I think we barely crack 50k. WSU has never been a pull like ASU and USC. The average Tucson football fan doesn't really know the importance of this game. WSU is arguably the best team in the Pac12 right now or, at minimum, tied with UW. Homecoming will bring a shit ton of folks to the tailgate but many of those will be too pooped or drunk to sit through a 3 to 4 hour game. It is too bad that if we win this game, the only remaining home game is Oregon State, the worst team in the Pac12 who total self-combusted against a crappy Stanford team last night playing w/o Bryce Love.

HaCats · Post by **HaCats** » Fri Oct 27, 2017 10:36 am

The way Oregon State lost last night is EXACTLY how we always managed to lose a couple games a year in the early Stoops days. When watching that last night I immediately thought of the Gilbert Harris fumble against Wazzu in Tucson.

scumdevils86 · Post by **scumdevils86** » Fri Oct 27, 2017 10:38 am

HaCats wrote:The way Oregon State lost last night is EXACTLY how we always managed to lose a couple games a year in the early Stoops days. When watching that last night I immediately thought of the Gilbert Harris fumble against Wazzu in Tucson.

I randomly read the daily star article about that game the other day. Gave me too many flashbacks. I was a freshman that year and there was so many close calls that could've gotten us to 5 or 6 or even 7 wins that year.

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