Bear Down Wildcats

catinfl wrote:

TuiTouchdown wrote:

catinfl wrote:N'Keal Harry will decide Monday at 1:30

What're our chances?

He's visited a lot recently (but also has a gf at ua so that may be why) idk where he's going, but it wouldn't surprise me if he picked us. It also wouldn't surprise me if he picked Texas A&M or ASU. Kid keeps it close to vest.

the real dill wrote:

catinfl wrote:

TuiTouchdown wrote:

catinfl wrote:N'Keal Harry will decide Monday at 1:30

What're our chances?

He's visited a lot recently (but also has a gf at ua so that may be why) idk where he's going, but it wouldn't surprise me if he picked us. It also wouldn't surprise me if he picked Texas A&M or ASU. Kid keeps it close to vest.

Aggies are claiming he is a done deal to them. When did Arizona become the Aggie pipeline?

Scummy Dick Douglas wrote:

the real dill wrote:

catinfl wrote:

TuiTouchdown wrote:

catinfl wrote:N'Keal Harry will decide Monday at 1:30

What're our chances?

He's visited a lot recently (but also has a gf at ua so that may be why) idk where he's going, but it wouldn't surprise me if he picked us. It also wouldn't surprise me if he picked Texas A&M or ASU. Kid keeps it close to vest.

Aggies are claiming he is a done deal to them. When did Arizona become the Aggie pipeline?

Pretty confident it isn't A&M.

Gladiator Cat wrote:If you as a long time suffering fan of the UofA or ASSU football want to really quantify why we never get over the hump. There is no more telling metric then the home state recruiting dynamic.

No top flight Arizona players outside of a very small sample size want to play for these two schools in state. We simply aren't in the serious mix.

Nothing tells the plight of these two schools more than that one single factor. Unfortunately its even more troublesome for the UofA. In the past the players weren't as good, but now days they are good and still leave.

If you can't keep your best in state kids at home, you'll always be on the outside looking in. Just as we are.

Newportcat wrote:

Gladiator Cat wrote:If you as a long time suffering fan of the UofA or ASSU football want to really quantify why we never get over the hump. There is no more telling metric then the home state recruiting dynamic.

No top flight Arizona players outside of a very small sample size want to play for these two schools in state. We simply aren't in the serious mix.

Nothing tells the plight of these two schools more than that one single factor. Unfortunately its even more troublesome for the UofA. In the past the players weren't as good, but now days they are good and still leave.

If you can't keep your best in state kids at home, you'll always be on the outside looking in. Just as we are.

Completely right. Until either U of A or ASU starts recruiting in state well again, I think the chances of either program being relevant are slim.

I think that will be the canary in the mine for either program when you think that either is ready to become a real football program

Anyone know why we can't get the in state kids to stay in state?

Newportcat wrote:

Gladiator Cat wrote:If you as a long time suffering fan of the UofA or ASSU football want to really quantify why we never get over the hump. There is no more telling metric then the home state recruiting dynamic.

No top flight Arizona players outside of a very small sample size want to play for these two schools in state. We simply aren't in the serious mix.

Nothing tells the plight of these two schools more than that one single factor. Unfortunately its even more troublesome for the UofA. In the past the players weren't as good, but now days they are good and still leave.

If you can't keep your best in state kids at home, you'll always be on the outside looking in. Just as we are.

Completely right. Until either U of A or ASU starts recruiting in state well again, I think the chances of either program being relevant are slim.

I think that will be the canary in the mine for either program when you think that either is ready to become a real football program

Anyone know why we can't get the in state kids to stay in state?

Scummy Dick Douglas wrote:

Newportcat wrote:

Gladiator Cat wrote:If you as a long time suffering fan of the UofA or ASSU football want to really quantify why we never get over the hump. There is no more telling metric then the home state recruiting dynamic.

No top flight Arizona players outside of a very small sample size want to play for these two schools in state. We simply aren't in the serious mix.

Nothing tells the plight of these two schools more than that one single factor. Unfortunately its even more troublesome for the UofA. In the past the players weren't as good, but now days they are good and still leave.

If you can't keep your best in state kids at home, you'll always be on the outside looking in. Just as we are.

Completely right. Until either U of A or ASU starts recruiting in state well again, I think the chances of either program being relevant are slim.

I think that will be the canary in the mine for either program when you think that either is ready to become a real football program

Anyone know why we can't get the in state kids to stay in state?

I disagree. I think UA and ASU fans overhype the instate kids. In the last 10 years there have been exactly two kids from AZ that I knew were going to be elite, Taylor Lewan and Christian Kirk. Outside of those two, I often find 3* kids from Cali or Texas more desirable than the 4* kids in AZ. I think the level of HS competition has to be taken into account, and AZ doesn't hold a candle to CA or TX.

MrBug708 wrote:The 247 site keeps calling Tate to USC

Merkin wrote:How can he arrive on campus in January when he can't even sign until February?

Is he doing just an athletic scholarship and not signing the NLI?

UAEebs86 wrote:

Merkin wrote:How can he arrive on campus in January when he can't even sign until February?

Is he doing just an athletic scholarship and not signing the NLI?

Don't the January enrollees count against last year's class? Maybe in that case he can sign an NLI before February.

Merkin wrote:How can he arrive on campus in January when he can't even sign until February?

Is he doing just an athletic scholarship and not signing the NLI?

ASUHATER! wrote:Can't see any even remotely good defensive players wanting to come here while casteel is coaching.

Folesfor10K wrote:Can anyone remember a worse 24 hour stretch for u of a football? Dayum.

catinfl wrote:Everyone knew it was probably gonna happen. Don't let the door hit ya on the way out.

azpenguin wrote:

catinfl wrote:Everyone knew it was probably gonna happen. Don't let the door hit ya on the way out.

He's looked like he's been fishing for better offers for a while. The 'Bama offer certainly didn't help Arizona.

ChooChooCat wrote:

Folesfor10K wrote:Can anyone remember a worse 24 hour stretch for u of a football? Dayum.

Yeah, it's called the entire Mackovic era.

Scummy Dick Douglas wrote:N'Keal Harry has committed to ASU

Scummy Dick Douglas wrote:N'Keal Harry has committed to ASU

Harvey Specter wrote:

Scummy Dick Douglas wrote:N'Keal Harry has committed to ASU

Since rhe is apparently not fast enough to be a receiver, do you expect that he will be moved to TE, or will he play LB?

gronk4heisman wrote:It looks like ASU recruiting is picking up steam, while our recruiting has hit a wall and we will likely have to fill our class with 2 and 3 stars who no one really wants. This is extremely concerning considering we have similar records and obvious openings for playing time on both sides of the ball. Even more concerning is that ASU appears to be taking ownership of the state. The got Harry and signs are pointing to them getting Lucas and possible Murphy as well. They also appear to be able to recruit Texas just fine while we appear to be locked out of the state. My question is, what do we need to do in order to recruit at a quality level? I think Dudek is great and everyone loves him, but he is obviously not enough. Do we need to make changes to facilities (indoor practice field for those brutal August two a days)? Do we need to bring in some younger coaches who can actually relate to todays recruits? Ragle was supposed to help open up Phoenix, but he has not even remotely done that and adds nothing to the coaching staff.

catinfl wrote:

gronk4heisman wrote:It looks like ASU recruiting is picking up steam, while our recruiting has hit a wall and we will likely have to fill our class with 2 and 3 stars who no one really wants. This is extremely concerning considering we have similar records and obvious openings for playing time on both sides of the ball. Even more concerning is that ASU appears to be taking ownership of the state. The got Harry and signs are pointing to them getting Lucas and possible Murphy as well. They also appear to be able to recruit Texas just fine while we appear to be locked out of the state. My question is, what do we need to do in order to recruit at a quality level? I think Dudek is great and everyone loves him, but he is obviously not enough. Do we need to make changes to facilities (indoor practice field for those brutal August two a days)? Do we need to bring in some younger coaches who can actually relate to todays recruits? Ragle was supposed to help open up Phoenix, but he has not even remotely done that and adds nothing to the coaching staff.

It's not February calm down. We're in the mix with quite a few 4*'s not saying we get them, but recruiting is far from over

gronk4heisman wrote:

catinfl wrote:

gronk4heisman wrote:It looks like ASU recruiting is picking up steam, while our recruiting has hit a wall and we will likely have to fill our class with 2 and 3 stars who no one really wants. This is extremely concerning considering we have similar records and obvious openings for playing time on both sides of the ball. Even more concerning is that ASU appears to be taking ownership of the state. The got Harry and signs are pointing to them getting Lucas and possible Murphy as well. They also appear to be able to recruit Texas just fine while we appear to be locked out of the state. My question is, what do we need to do in order to recruit at a quality level? I think Dudek is great and everyone loves him, but he is obviously not enough. Do we need to make changes to facilities (indoor practice field for those brutal August two a days)? Do we need to bring in some younger coaches who can actually relate to todays recruits? Ragle was supposed to help open up Phoenix, but he has not even remotely done that and adds nothing to the coaching staff.

It's not February calm down. We're in the mix with quite a few 4*'s not saying we get them, but recruiting is far from over

Maybe it's just me, but the writing on the wall that I am seeing is that we are more likely to lose our good recruits than we are to gain anything more than players of the scrap heap.

Newportcat wrote:That's like the third time someone has mentioned on this board the need to get an indoor practice facility. Maybe all my bitching on it is finally working.

We need that and new practice fields not inside a baseball stadium badly as then we overcome one of the major objections against us. Having started my career in sales the first you should work on is overcoming your biggest objections. ASU did it and I think they have recruited much better then us the past couple years. The cardinals built one too and it just makes sense.

To me, the weather in Tucson is a structural problem of our program not matter who is coaching for us. However now we can solve that problem and Byrne should be focused on that and stop doing more improvements to McKale.

Newportcat wrote:That's like the third time someone has mentioned on this board the need to get an indoor practice facility. Maybe all my bitching on it is finally working.

We need that and new practice fields not inside a baseball stadium badly as then we overcome one of the major objections against us. Having started my career in sales the first you should work on is overcoming your biggest objections.[/b-] ASU did it and I think they have recruited much better then us the past couple years. The cardinals built one too and it just makes sense.

To me, the weather in Tucson is a structural problem of our program not matter who is coaching for us. However now we can solve that problem and Byrne should be focused on that and stop doing more improvements to McKale.

Newportcat wrote:That's like the third time someone has mentioned on this board the need to get an indoor practice facility. Maybe all my bitching on it is finally working.

We need that and new practice fields not inside a baseball stadium badly as then we overcome one of the major objections against us. Having started my career in sales the first you should work on is overcoming your biggest objections. ASU did it and I think they have recruited much better then us the past couple years. The cardinals built one too and it just makes sense.

To me, the weather in Tucson is a structural problem of our program not matter who is coaching for us. However now we can solve that problem and Byrne should be focused on that and stop doing more improvements to McKale.

Newportcat wrote:Relationships are critical to business...when you have a good product to sell. But if something is wrong with the product, just selling harder doesn't usually work.

What works is figure out how to make the product better in the minds of consumers.

I know for a fact the weather in tucson hurts our recruiting. I am close friends with someone who is as in touch with socal recruiting at anyone and that's all he ever tells me about Arizona. Why don't you have an indoor facility. ASU has one and recruits today care about that.

We didn't get the return on lowell Stevens because honestly it just made us on par with the PAC 12 and doesn't change the fact it's hot as sh@t during most of football season and the summer. What I always love is when people think an indoor facility won't do much for us. Certainely couldn't hurt. Sure there could be something else but at least we have tried to solve a structural problem.

Harvey Specter wrote:

Newportcat wrote:Relationships are critical to business...when you have a good product to sell. But if something is wrong with the product, just selling harder doesn't usually work.

What works is figure out how to make the product better in the minds of consumers.

I know for a fact the weather in tucson hurts our recruiting. I am close friends with someone who is as in touch with socal recruiting at anyone and that's all he ever tells me about Arizona. Why don't you have an indoor facility. ASU has one and recruits today care about that.

We didn't get the return on lowell Stevens because honestly it just made us on par with the PAC 12 and doesn't change the fact it's hot as sh@t during most of football season and the summer. What I always love is when people think an indoor facility won't do much for us. Certainely couldn't hurt. Sure there could be something else but at least we have tried to solve a structural problem.

I don't disagree with a single thing you posted, and would be the first to admit it is easier to sell a good product than a bad one.

But I will tell you that I have worked in organizations with mediocre products, and the top performers would find a way to succeed and deal with the obstacles in their way (within reason). And I have worked in organizations with great products where the bottom 25% will always point out what they "need and do not have" to be successful.

My point? The right coach could move the needle in recruiting; we are in a better position than we were 4 years ago (parity is better than being at the bottom of the barrel), and our results aren't much different.

In a company, there is ROI accountability for investment decisions. 'You want A, B, & C? That costs $XXX. What incrementally will you commit to delivering if we get those things for you?'

What would you rather have... Nick Saban or an indoor practice facility? I know what I would vote for.

I also understand that is not going to happen... But the point remains. We will ALWAYS be chasing the leaders in the facility arms race, and it is an ever-moving target. And I'd rather recruit to our climate than many others that are homes to superior programs.

Getting a coach who is a kick-ass recruiter (and evaluator) matters more than a thing else IMO. If I donated a bunch of dough for Lowell Stevens, I'd be rolling my eyes as I listened to the "this next thing will get us where we need to be' sales pitch.

"... there is no such thing as a no sale call. A sale is made on every call you make. Either you sell the client ... or he sells you a reason he can't. Either way a sale is made, the only question is who is gonna close? You or him? Now be relentless. That's it. I'm done."

We need the guy who wants to win the car, and won't settle for the set of steak knives.

(And yes I realize I just merged scenes from 2 different movies)