Bear Down Wildcats

SCCats wrote:

ASUHATER! wrote:Ole miss in the playoffs now

Here comes the old SEC poll bullshit again. The number 15 ranked team beats the number 2 ranked team, so the 15th ranked team jumps to third.

Gotta keep an SEC team in the playoff come hell or high water. The only surprise is that they didn't move Ole Miss to 3rd and have Bama drop only to 4th.

I know... Unreal isn't it? If Ole Miss had been unranked and gone into 'bama and won, they still would have been catapulted into the top 10 or something ridiculous.

It's early... Start out ranked, win, and you move up - regardless of who you play. Beat a top-ranked team (esp on the road) and you jump WAY up.

I am very anxious for next week to get a decent gauge on what we've got. I sure hope Scooby's back.

Seems I remember a similar team that went into Eugene last year and won on the road. Anyone remember how far we went up in the polls. I think we moved to 10th but I am not sure if we were ranked before that

azcat49 wrote:Seems I remember a similar team that went into Eugene last year and won on the road. Anyone remember how far we went up in the polls. I think we moved to 10th but I am not sure if we were ranked before that

I could be blowing this issue out of proportion, but it just seems like SEC teams get certain treatment in the polls that other conferences either don't get or get much less of. I think missou did something similar last year where they were ranked like 22, beat the 5th ranked team and jumped to 9, and they made that jump in like week six or seven. Again I'm probably blowing this out of proportion, but often enough I feel like I see stuff in these polls that don't make a ton of sense in comparison to how most teams move around in the polls and it seems like four times out of five its an SEC team involved in the move.

SCCats wrote:

azcat49 wrote:Seems I remember a similar team that went into Eugene last year and won on the road. Anyone remember how far we went up in the polls. I think we moved to 10th but I am not sure if we were ranked before that

I could be blowing this issue out of proportion, but it just seems like SEC teams get certain treatment in the polls that other conferences either don't get or get much less of. I think missou did something similar last year where they were ranked like 22, beat the 5th ranked team and jumped to 9, and they made that jump in like week six or seven. Again I'm probably blowing this out of proportion, but often enough I feel like I see stuff in these polls that don't make a ton of sense in comparison to how most teams move around in the polls and it seems like four times out of five its an SEC team involved in the move.

I think the ASU/Texas A&M situation supports your feelings. Either A&M was worthy of going all the way from unranked to 16 because they beat a similarly good ASU team, or ASU sucked and that is why they deserved to drop from 15ish (can't remember exactly) to out of the polls. One or the other...either it was an impressive A&M win over a good ASU team, or ASU was just a shitty team (my theory). But the polls reacted as if both were true because, well...SEC. A&M got shot out of a poll cannon and vaulted over double digit spots AND ASU had a free fall of double digit spots. ASU losing what was a road game in neutral game clothing to a team worthy of the #16 ranking shouldn't have dropped them so far...or A&M beating a team that wasn't top 25 worthy in a virtual home game shouldn't have vaulted them so high.

Guys... its week 3.... stop worrying about the SEC for a couple months.

Alieberman wrote:Guys... its week 3.... stop worrying about the SEC for a couple months.

The problem is that these poll moves now cement the conferences standings later. You get a bunch of ranked teams in your conference heading into conference play and voila! all your future losses are to ranked teams.

Alieberman wrote:
Guys... its week 3.... stop worrying about the SEC for a couple months.


wow, you don't understand how this SEC bullshit works, do you? Absolutely worry now. They (ESPN, The SEC Media, etc) promote the lie NOW and it reaps benefits for them later. It's incredible.

See the above post to figure it out.

The SEC will eventually beat itself up.

After a horrible start for the Pac-12... the Pac now has as many teams in the Top 25 as the SEC.

Don't worry. Be Happy.

Stanford's Kevin Hogan moves to top of Pac-12 QB power rankings

http://espn.go.com/blog/pac12/post/_/id ... ngs-week-3

1. Kevin Hogan, Stanford
2. Jared Goff, Cal
3. Anu Solomon, Arizona: The Wildcats obviously were leagues ahead of FCS opponent Northern Arizona talent-wise, but their offense still gets a tip of the cap for breaking school records in points (77), total yardage (792) and rushing yardage (499). Solomon was the captain of the effort, though he didn't play the entire game. He finished 25-of-35 for 285 yards, four touchdown passes and one touchdown run.
It's time for conference play so we can finally get a firm gauge on what the Wildcats -- and the now-sophomore Solomon -- will bring to the table this season. Good thing UCLA visits Tucson next weekend.
4. Jake Browning, Washington
5. Luke Falk, Washington State

College football news has us ranked number 38 in their new 1-128 poll

ASUHATER! wrote:College football news has us ranked number 38 in their new 1-128 poll

What the fuck do they know?

Chicat wrote:

ASUHATER! wrote:College football news has us ranked number 38 in their new 1-128 poll

What the fuck do they know?

Either something that no one else knows or absolutely nothing. Gonna go with the latter.

Chicat wrote:

ASUHATER! wrote:College football news has us ranked number 38 in their new 1-128 poll

What the fuck do they know?

They have us as the 8th or 9th team in the Pac 12 as well.

scumdevils86 wrote:

Chicat wrote:

ASUHATER! wrote:College football news has us ranked number 38 in their new 1-128 poll

What the fuck do they know?

They have us as the 8th or 9th team in the Pac 12 as well.

They also couldn't be fucked to cover 4 of the 12 teams in our conference last week, so there's that...

Should be able to reasonably assign teams places when you actually have no idea what happened in their games.

Ducks, Cats fall out. Ducks were ranked 98 consecutive weeks.

The AP Top 25:

Ohio State
Michigan State
Ole Miss
TCU
Baylor
Notre Dame
UCLA
Georgia
LSU
Utah
Florida State
Clemson
Alabama
Texas A&M
Oklahoma
Northwestern
USC
Stanford
Wisconsin
Oklahoma State
Mississippi State
Michigan
West Virginia
Cal
Florida

http://espn.go.com/blog/pac12/post/_/id ... no-1-again" target="_blank

1. Utah Utes
2. California Golden Bears
3. Stanford Cardinal
4. USC Trojans
5. Arizona State Sun Devils
6. UCLA Bruins
7. Oregon Ducks
8. Washington Huskies
9. Arizona Wildcats: Sooooooo. Arizona has allowed 111 points in the past two weeks. Obviously, not having your starting quarterback hurts. But the Wildcats have bigger issues on defense. Their next three games happen to be against the three teams below them in these rankings. Although three straight wins might not do much to bump them in the rankings, it could keep them relevant in the division race heading into November.
10. Washington State Cougars
11. Colorado Buffaloes
12. Oregon State Beavers

Massey Football Composite - October 5, 2015:

Arizona = #57 out of 128.

Pac-12 QB power rankings: Luke Falk rises after dominating Oregon

http://espn.go.com/blog/pac12/post/_/id ... rankings-4" target="_blank

1. Luke Falk, Washington State
2. Mike Bercovici, Arizona State
3. Anu Solomon, Arizona: He returned from a concussion and the Wildcats' offense looked potent again. Of course, most of Arizona's damage in their 44-7 win over Oregon State came on the ground -- the Wildcats rushed for 368 yards -- but Solomon plays a big role in orchestrating that attack, and he also threw for 276 yards on the game.
Arizona hopes that they've righted the ship following two blowout losses to open conference play. A visit to Colorado is next. Then the Washington schools come calling. Solomon will have his opportunity to thrust the Wildcats back into Pac-12 South contention, but it'll be an uphill climb.
4. Travis Wilson, Utah
5. Jared Goff, California

Um...... what??

I've looked at their rankings all year long and can't figure out the methodology.

What a joke.

azgreg wrote:I've looked at their rankings all year long and can't figure out the methodology.

Dartboard and shots of Fireball?

azgreg wrote:I've looked at their rankings all year long and can't figure out the methodology.

They supposedly have "professional" analysts watch every single position group on every single snap of every single game and grade each touch the player gets.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/about/how-we-grade/" target="_blank

How can any Wazzu RB be above Nick, McCaffrey, or Demario Richard?

Chicat wrote:

azgreg wrote:I've looked at their rankings all year long and can't figure out the methodology.

Dartboard and shots of Fireball?

The Sark method?

Too soon?

According to USC players, "going out" was renamed "going Sark".

First CFP rankings are out.

1. Clemson
2. LSU
3. Ohio State
4. Alabama
5. Notre Dame
6. Baylor
7. Michigan State
8. TCU
9. Iowa
10. Florida

http://espn.go.com/college-football/sto ... e-top-four" target="_blank

Riot in Waco. . . .

Upgrading the town, eh?

Haha wow. Still don't like Baylor and tcu

azpenguin wrote:Upgrading the town, eh?

Nothing a little couch burning can't fix.

azgreg wrote:First CFP rankings are out.

1. Clemson
2. LSU
3. Ohio State
4. Alabama
5. Notre Dame
6. Baylor
7. Michigan State
8. TCU
9. Iowa
10. Florida

http://espn.go.com/college-football/sto ... e-top-four" target="_blank

A home loss to the 20th or so ranked team in the country (and who could easily finish the year unranked) puts you ahead of three quality, undefeated teams?

Got it.

And stun of stuns as far as what conference gets the treatment.

I know things will change, but this poll right here has to be pretty tough to swallow for some of those teams below #4.

LSU and Alabama. This is starting to stink of corruption. Notre Dame and Michigan State are both more deserving.

catgrad97 wrote:LSU and Alabama. This is starting to stink of corruption. Notre Dame and Michigan State are both more deserving.

LSU plays in the SEC and is unbeaten and plays Bama . No reason to jump to that conclusion but this emphasizes why UA attendance is gonna hurt the team.

Poll means nothing now. Ohio State was number 15 or 16 at this point last year and Georgia Tech who finished number 9 was unranked

ASUHATER! wrote:Poll means nothing now. Ohio State was number 15 or 16 at this point last year and Georgia Tech who finished number 9 was unranked

And I get that it's going to change.

But I look at this poll, this exact one from a couple days ago, and I see bias.

Seriously, Bama at 4?

Ohio St isn't even the 3rd best team in their conference.

azgreg wrote:Ohio St isn't even the 3rd best team in their conference.

They are by far the best. Come on now.

No bias in the poll at all.

Machina wrote:No bias in the poll at all.

No?

Who gets the benefit of the doubt when things are close?

Who gets it (what seems like every time) when things are close?

Even when getting the benefit of the doubt means you are shoehorning a second SEC team into the four team playoff.

A second thought is occurring to me: they know Alabama is going to beat LSU this weekend. Inflate Bama to 4th, so when Bama wins you can move them to first and only drop LSU to fourth "because they lost to our new #1 team." And you got your perfect circularity going with a nod to the fudge of initially putting Bama 4th.

I would say all bowl have a bias in that they pick teams unless it is really unfair that draw well in attendance and on TV. That is why UA fans not going to games will hurt UA.

No use is worrying about the polls now as we saw last year. No conference will get two team in this year.

PHXCATS wrote:I would say all bowl have a bias in that they pick teams unless it is really unfair that draw well in attendance and on TV. That is why UA fans not going to games will hurt UA.

No use is worrying about the polls now as we saw last year. No conference will get two team in this year.

If you build it, they will come.

Phxcats is a guy I see sitting in an empty movie theater watching the latest shitty Rob Schneider movie because he's a big Rob Schneider fan. He'll start bitching and complaining as to why there's nobody at the movie and everyone is a bad fan of movies for not blindly buying tickets and showing up. He'll say, "if only people would buy tickets and show up to this movie... Then Rob Schneider would be winning Oscars within a couple years!!"

I can't believe someone is dumb enough make a comparison of U of A football to an empty movie theatre.

PHXCATS is spot on and you are a bit correct. If you build it they will come but without them coming first it is much harder. The example of bowl games is spot on. Ohio State and Alabama always are in good bowls for that exact reason fan support even in down years. Woodman and Luke said it perfectly on Monday. If you want loyalty and a winner in town you gotta do your part and the Zoo and fans in general have not done their part

Machina wrote:I can't believe someone is dumb enough make a comparison of U of A football to an empty movie theatre.

PHXCATS is spot on and you are a bit correct. If you build it they will come but without them coming first it is much harder. The example of bowl games is spot on. Ohio State and Alabama always are in good bowls for that exact reason fan support even in down years. Woodman and Luke said it perfectly on Monday. If you want loyalty and a winner in town you gotta do your part and the Zoo and fans in general have not done their part

It's entertainment. Absolutely no difference. No point in the history of sports and music or movies has a fan base and following come before quality and substance. Build it and they will come.

Machina wrote:I can't believe someone is dumb enough make a comparison of U of A football to an empty movie theatre.

PHXCATS is spot on and you are a bit correct. If you build it they will come but without them coming first it is much harder. The example of bowl games is spot on. Ohio State and Alabama always are in good bowls for that exact reason fan support even in down years. Woodman and Luke said it perfectly on Monday. If you want loyalty and a winner in town you gotta do your part and the Zoo and fans in general have not done their part

Ohio State and Alabama have fan support in down years because they have long histories of competing for national championships. They have winning traditions.

You don't go to a shitty concert at a venue in hopes of getting a better act in future weeks. "Real fan" or not, no one enjoys watching their team get the snot beat out of them and with the way we are playing right now there is a 50/50 shot that is going to happen each and every week. That is not my idea of entertainment. I would say the turnout was solid for the first three home games, but our play has gone off the cliff since then.

Yep and it has nothing to do with Arizona supposedly being a place of bad fans.