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11 Troy Young
Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 5:06 am
by ANGCatFan
T. Young is a 6-0, 205, Sophomore safety. He appeared in every game last year and started against Cal. Young had just 5 tackles and a pass break-up on the year, but finished strong with 3 tackles in the bowl game. Like every safety on the team, Young is fighting to get into the playing rotation. This is a battle that may go way into the season since this is the position group with the best quality depth on the team.
11 is the Wildcat record for interceptions in a season set by Jackie Wallace in 1971.
Re: 11 Troy Young
Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 6:08 am
by Merkin
Whatever happened to that rifle?
Re: 11 Troy Young
Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 6:35 am
by ANGCatFan
From Wikipedia:
From 1938 to 1990, the winner of the rivalry (Arizona-New Mexico) took ownership of the Kit Carson Rifle. The gun is a Springfield Model 1866 rifle that is rumored to have once belonged to the famous frontier scout, Kit Carson. Game scores from each game are carved into the stock of the rifle. Prior to the 1997 Insight.com Bowl, the two schools announced that they would retire the rifle due to concerns of its history of violence against Native Americans, and it has not been used during any subsequent games between the two schools.[4]
We beat New Mexico 25-10 in 1990, so Arizona was the last winner of the rifle. Would be interesting to know where it is being displayed.
Re: 11 Troy Young
Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 8:25 am
by azgreg
ANGCatFan wrote:From Wikipedia:
From 1938 to 1990, the winner of the rivalry (Arizona-New Mexico) took ownership of the Kit Carson Rifle. The gun is a Springfield Model 1866 rifle that is rumored to have once belonged to the famous frontier scout, Kit Carson. Game scores from each game are carved into the stock of the rifle. Prior to the 1997 Insight.com Bowl, the two schools announced that they would retire the rifle due to concerns of its history of violence against Native Americans, and it has not been used during any subsequent games between the two schools.[4]
We beat New Mexico 25-10 in 1990, so Arizona was the last winner of the rifle. Would be interesting to know where it is being displayed.
https://www.azdesertswarm.com/football/ ... sons-rifle" target="_blank
The last time the rifle was up for grabs was 1990, which was also the last time Arizona won a game against the Lobos in Albuqerque. The Wildcats won that day, which is why Kit Carson's Rifle is currently on display in Tucson rather than at UNM.
The decision to suspend the rifle's usage in 1997 was a very progressive one for the time. I give Jim Livengood credit for making that decision before the more-progressive times of the 2000s. While it seems the rifle itself may not have been used in the awful events surrounding "The Long Walk", the symbolism it represents by having Kit Carson's name attached to it does not need to be celebrated, especially on a college football field.
So while Arizona and New Mexico are battling it out for the New Mexico Bowl trophy, just take a second to remember how old this rivalry is, and the progressive nature that those involved with it showed in 1997, as well as some of the legends and history associated with the rivalry.
You can still visit Kit Carson's Rifle in the Hall of Champions at McKale Center:
Re: 11 Troy Young
Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 3:41 pm
by ANGCatFan
Re: 11 Troy Young
Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 8:56 pm
by tgrumpy2
ANGCatFan wrote:From Wikipedia:
From 1938 to 1990, the winner of the rivalry (Arizona-New Mexico) took ownership of the Kit Carson Rifle. The gun is a Springfield Model 1866 rifle that is rumored to have once belonged to the famous frontier scout, Kit Carson. Game scores from each game are carved into the stock of the rifle. Prior to the 1997 Insight.com Bowl, the two schools announced that they would retire the rifle due to concerns of its history of violence against Native Americans, and it has not been used during any subsequent games between the two schools.[4]
We beat New Mexico 25-10 in 1990, so Arizona was the last winner of the rifle. Would be interesting to know where it is being displayed.
If retiring the rifle out of a general concern I guess all I can say is okay, whatever. I can pretty much tell you that particular rifle, if it did beliong to Carson was never used against any Native American. That model did not begin production until 1867 and by then Carson was a brevet general in command of a very peaceful fort. He died in 1868. Just thought I'd share a bit of history with you.