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84Cat wrote:Tough call on Auburn
Absolutely the correct call. Too bad they missed the double dribble the prior playUAEebs86 wrote:84Cat wrote:Tough call on Auburn
I thought it was the correct call though. Bodied a guy who was in the air, could have come down awkward and gotten hurt. Tough for the kid but he got too close.
Before the double dribble, the ball went off his leg - turnover.Frybry02 wrote:Correct call on the foul. Blatant missed double dribble
If Dick Tomey were a basketball coach.Alieberman wrote:1st team to 10 wins on Monday night
If you want a funny exercise, go onto one of the Sean Miller threads or "This year" threads or whatever, and say there are ways to recruit other than just taking whatever 20-40th rated "one and done" players that want to come.CalStateTempe wrote:Bennett recruits the right players for his system and they stick around.
Hats off to him.
Totally, feels like their is a path with the Packline but its with the way Tony Bennett has done it, not with one and donesCalStateTempe wrote:Do what we do SCC...
Absolutely has all the potential to be ugly. Can't wait. looking forward to seeing two teams play great defense. If I want to watch unlimited scoring I'll just watch a NBA All Star game.Newportcat wrote:https://www.wsj.com/articles/virginia-v ... ding_now_3
Agree 100%. Those games Saturday were amazing. I wish Arizona teams played with that intensity on both ends of the court.azgreg wrote:Absolutely has all the potential to be ugly. Can't wait. looking forward to seeing two teams play great defense. If I want to watch unlimited scoring I'll just watch a NBA All Star game.Newportcat wrote:https://www.wsj.com/articles/virginia-v ... ding_now_3
No thank you personally, just boring as hellazgreg wrote:Absolutely has all the potential to be ugly. Can't wait. looking forward to seeing two teams play great defense. If I want to watch unlimited scoring I'll just watch a NBA All Star game.Newportcat wrote:https://www.wsj.com/articles/virginia-v ... ding_now_3
Last year, it was Bennett plays a midmajor scheme that gets owned in the tourney.CalStateTempe wrote:Bennett recruits the right players for his system and they stick around.
Hats off to him.
The luck Virginia has had the last two games is unprecedented. Purdue makes a FT, game over. Purdue grabs a defensive rebound on a missed FT, game over. Virginia doesn't come up with loose ball in back-court cleanly: game over. Virginia misses desperation jumper at the buzzer: game over.Spaceman Spiff wrote:Last year, it was Bennett plays a midmajor scheme that gets owned in the tourney.CalStateTempe wrote:Bennett recruits the right players for his system and they stick around.
Hats off to him.
This year, two miracles in a row and the narrative changes.
For me, UVA's run this year just proves how fickle luck is in the tourney. They had two straight games where they would lose 9 of 10 times and won both.zonagrad wrote:The luck Virginia has had the last two games is unprecedented. Purdue makes a FT, game over. Purdue grabs a defensive rebound on a missed FT, game over. Virginia doesn't come up with loose ball in back-court cleanly: game over. Virginia misses desperation jumper at the buzzer: game over.Spaceman Spiff wrote:Last year, it was Bennett plays a midmajor scheme that gets owned in the tourney.CalStateTempe wrote:Bennett recruits the right players for his system and they stick around.
Hats off to him.
This year, two miracles in a row and the narrative changes.
Refs call an obvious double-dribble: game over.
Refs swallow their whistle on controversial foul: game over.
There should be a giant asterisk next to Virginia.
The funny thing is, when Virginia lost last year to 16-seeded UMBC there was no luck involved. No last second shot. No missed FTs that allowed UMBC to steal the game from a #1 seed. Virginia just flat out got their ass kicked in the second half. The game was over with 8 minutes left.
Bingo. Which is why as time has passed, my respect for Miller's body of work at AZ has deepened. If Miller gets the same luck Bennett has had this year, he's possibly got two FFs and maybe a NC.Spaceman Spiff wrote:For me, UVA's run this year just proves how fickle luck is in the tourney. They had two straight games where they would lose 9 of 10 times and won both.
That's what fans need to understand. The last few years, Miller's teams have over performed during the regular season and conference tourney even though they were a bit flawed. Those flaws get exposed quickly in a one and done setting. To me, it's incredible that Arizona won the conference regular season and tourney with PJC at the point. Buffalo attacked us out front and dismantled PJC. No other Pac 12 teams figured that out and most had two cracks at us.Beachcat97 wrote:Bingo. Which is why as time has passed, my respect for Miller's body of work at AZ has deepened. If Miller gets the same luck Bennett has had this year, he's possibly got two FFs and maybe a NC.Spaceman Spiff wrote:For me, UVA's run this year just proves how fickle luck is in the tourney. They had two straight games where they would lose 9 of 10 times and won both.
You want a coach who can keep you positioned to *catch* some of that March magic, which means being in the tourney every year and getting your team to peak at the end of the season. Bennett has been doing this lately, which is why he's here.
I kept track of all the advanced statistical rankings (kenpom, bpi, sargarin, kpi, etc) of the Lauri & Ayton teams, and despite being top 5, top 10 ranked they were always ranked in the mid 20s to low 30s in the advanced rankings. Those teams should've been seeded 5-7. The Lauri year especially despite Arizona being top 5 in the AP for a huge portion of the year, wasn't that good in the advanced metrics. And Arizona fans thought it was bad that Arizona was seeded 4, but that was actually generous.zonagrad wrote:That's what fans need to understand. The last few years, Miller's teams have over performed during the regular season and conference tourney even though they were a bit flawed. Those flaws get exposed quickly in a one and done setting. To me, it's incredible that Arizona won the conference regular season and tourney with PJC at the point. Buffalo attacked us out front and dismantled PJC. No other Pac 12 teams figured that out and most had two cracks at us.Beachcat97 wrote:Bingo. Which is why as time has passed, my respect for Miller's body of work at AZ has deepened. If Miller gets the same luck Bennett has had this year, he's possibly got two FFs and maybe a NC.Spaceman Spiff wrote:For me, UVA's run this year just proves how fickle luck is in the tourney. They had two straight games where they would lose 9 of 10 times and won both.
You want a coach who can keep you positioned to *catch* some of that March magic, which means being in the tourney every year and getting your team to peak at the end of the season. Bennett has been doing this lately, which is why he's here.
Yes on the Ayton team. Lauri's year, we were legit. We beat Oregon in the P12 tourney just before they made a Final Four run.NYCat wrote:I kept track of all the advanced statistical rankings (kenpom, bpi, sargarin, kpi, etc) of the Lauri & Ayton teams, and despite being top 5, top 10 ranked they were always ranked in the mid 20s to low 30s in the advanced rankings. Those teams should've been seeded 5-7 seeds.zonagrad wrote:That's what fans need to understand. The last few years, Miller's teams have over performed during the regular season and conference tourney even though they were a bit flawed. Those flaws get exposed quickly in a one and done setting. To me, it's incredible that Arizona won the conference regular season and tourney with PJC at the point. Buffalo attacked us out front and dismantled PJC. No other Pac 12 teams figured that out and most had two cracks at us.Beachcat97 wrote:Bingo. Which is why as time has passed, my respect for Miller's body of work at AZ has deepened. If Miller gets the same luck Bennett has had this year, he's possibly got two FFs and maybe a NC.Spaceman Spiff wrote:For me, UVA's run this year just proves how fickle luck is in the tourney. They had two straight games where they would lose 9 of 10 times and won both.
You want a coach who can keep you positioned to *catch* some of that March magic, which means being in the tourney every year and getting your team to peak at the end of the season. Bennett has been doing this lately, which is why he's here.
The conference was bad so that helped Arizona rack up wins and be highly ranked in the AP, but those teams were above average teams.
Even without the advanced metrics, those more recent teams didn't appear as strong as the '14 and '15 teams.NYCat wrote:The conference was bad so that helped Arizona rack up wins and be highly ranked in the AP, but those teams were above average teams. They weren't like '14 & '15 teams.
Disagree, Arizona was always the weakest of the 3 top 5 pac 12 teams (UCLA, Oregon, Arizona) that year in the advanced rankings. Miller deserves a lot of credit for managing to get a co championship with Oregon in the regular season.Spaceman Spiff wrote:Yes on the Ayton team. Lauri's year, we were legit. We beat Oregon in the P12 tourney just before they made a Final Four run.NYCat wrote:I kept track of all the advanced statistical rankings (kenpom, bpi, sargarin, kpi, etc) of the Lauri & Ayton teams, and despite being top 5, top 10 ranked they were always ranked in the mid 20s to low 30s in the advanced rankings. Those teams should've been seeded 5-7 seeds.zonagrad wrote:That's what fans need to understand. The last few years, Miller's teams have over performed during the regular season and conference tourney even though they were a bit flawed. Those flaws get exposed quickly in a one and done setting. To me, it's incredible that Arizona won the conference regular season and tourney with PJC at the point. Buffalo attacked us out front and dismantled PJC. No other Pac 12 teams figured that out and most had two cracks at us.Beachcat97 wrote:Bingo. Which is why as time has passed, my respect for Miller's body of work at AZ has deepened. If Miller gets the same luck Bennett has had this year, he's possibly got two FFs and maybe a NC.Spaceman Spiff wrote:For me, UVA's run this year just proves how fickle luck is in the tourney. They had two straight games where they would lose 9 of 10 times and won both.
You want a coach who can keep you positioned to *catch* some of that March magic, which means being in the tourney every year and getting your team to peak at the end of the season. Bennett has been doing this lately, which is why he's here.
The conference was bad so that helped Arizona rack up wins and be highly ranked in the AP, but those teams were above average teams.
Lauri's year, our advanced stats were dragged down by the midseason stretch where Trier and PJC were both out. We were super shorthanded for a few weeks.
We were 15th offensively and 28th defensively. Oregon was 17th offensively and 17th defensively.NYCat wrote:Disagree, Arizona was always the weakest of the 3 top 5 pac 12 teams (UCLA, Oregon, Arizona) that year in the advanced rankings. Miller deserves a lot of credit for managing to get a co championship with Oregon in the regular season.Spaceman Spiff wrote:Yes on the Ayton team. Lauri's year, we were legit. We beat Oregon in the P12 tourney just before they made a Final Four run.NYCat wrote:I kept track of all the advanced statistical rankings (kenpom, bpi, sargarin, kpi, etc) of the Lauri & Ayton teams, and despite being top 5, top 10 ranked they were always ranked in the mid 20s to low 30s in the advanced rankings. Those teams should've been seeded 5-7 seeds.zonagrad wrote:That's what fans need to understand. The last few years, Miller's teams have over performed during the regular season and conference tourney even though they were a bit flawed. Those flaws get exposed quickly in a one and done setting. To me, it's incredible that Arizona won the conference regular season and tourney with PJC at the point. Buffalo attacked us out front and dismantled PJC. No other Pac 12 teams figured that out and most had two cracks at us.Beachcat97 wrote:Bingo. Which is why as time has passed, my respect for Miller's body of work at AZ has deepened. If Miller gets the same luck Bennett has had this year, he's possibly got two FFs and maybe a NC.
You want a coach who can keep you positioned to *catch* some of that March magic, which means being in the tourney every year and getting your team to peak at the end of the season. Bennett has been doing this lately, which is why he's here.
The conference was bad so that helped Arizona rack up wins and be highly ranked in the AP, but those teams were above average teams.
Lauri's year, our advanced stats were dragged down by the midseason stretch where Trier and PJC were both out. We were super shorthanded for a few weeks.
Part of the problem was the team wasn't elite on either side of the ball. UCLA was elite on one side of the ball. Oregon was more balanced and better offense/defense ranking. Arizona's strength was offense but wasn't top 20 in kenpom and the defense was ranked 28+, not elite at one thing and not as good as Oregon's.
All 3 teams were at one point 25-3 and ranked #4, #5, #6 in the AP, they all did by beating and otherwise weak ass conference. Just because Arizona beat Oregon (Oregon also was without Brooks iirc) later doesn't mean anything, they still weren't top 20 in the advanced metrics across the board. That offense with Lauri wasn't elite enough to carry the sub par defense, which is how Arizona actually lost - couldn't stop Blueitt and JP sleeves.
(That thing of not being elite on one side of the ball or being really good on both sides was also the curse of the Ayton team. Not good enough/elite enough offensively and sub par defense.)
Oregon was the better team that Lauri year and that's why they went further.
Even after those two came back we were still mired in the low 20's nationally. That was the most efficient year for the sport in KenPom history. So in a abnormally strong year that was about what our ceiling was. 2017 was one of Miller's better coaching jobs in his tenure here.Spaceman Spiff wrote:Yes on the Ayton team. Lauri's year, we were legit. We beat Oregon in the P12 tourney just before they made a Final Four run.NYCat wrote:I kept track of all the advanced statistical rankings (kenpom, bpi, sargarin, kpi, etc) of the Lauri & Ayton teams, and despite being top 5, top 10 ranked they were always ranked in the mid 20s to low 30s in the advanced rankings. Those teams should've been seeded 5-7 seeds.zonagrad wrote:That's what fans need to understand. The last few years, Miller's teams have over performed during the regular season and conference tourney even though they were a bit flawed. Those flaws get exposed quickly in a one and done setting. To me, it's incredible that Arizona won the conference regular season and tourney with PJC at the point. Buffalo attacked us out front and dismantled PJC. No other Pac 12 teams figured that out and most had two cracks at us.Beachcat97 wrote:Bingo. Which is why as time has passed, my respect for Miller's body of work at AZ has deepened. If Miller gets the same luck Bennett has had this year, he's possibly got two FFs and maybe a NC.Spaceman Spiff wrote:For me, UVA's run this year just proves how fickle luck is in the tourney. They had two straight games where they would lose 9 of 10 times and won both.
You want a coach who can keep you positioned to *catch* some of that March magic, which means being in the tourney every year and getting your team to peak at the end of the season. Bennett has been doing this lately, which is why he's here.
The conference was bad so that helped Arizona rack up wins and be highly ranked in the AP, but those teams were above average teams.
Lauri's year, our advanced stats were dragged down by the midseason stretch where Trier and PJC were both out. We were super shorthanded for a few weeks.
Virginia and Texas Tech both play the packline. Bennett is using the traditional "no baseline" packline while Beard is running a more modern "no middle" packline. It will be interesting to see which one prevails.catgrad97 wrote:Packline wins championships. Tony Bennett just got there before Sean Miller.
(Yes, I am calling it now. Safest bet of the tournament.)
Meanwhile Arizona played the "no defense" packline.loomer wrote:Virginia and Texas Tech both play the packline. Bennett is using the traditional "no baseline" packline while Beard is running a more modern "no middle" packline. It will be interesting to see which one prevails.catgrad97 wrote:Packline wins championships. Tony Bennett just got there before Sean Miller.
(Yes, I am calling it now. Safest bet of the tournament.)