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UAEebs86 wrote:Jake Fischer is a Trumper?

Didn't see that, but he is a MLM marketer.

Merkin wrote:

UAEebs86 wrote:Jake Fischer is a Trumper?

Didn't see that, but he is a MLM marketer.

His Acosta hashtag and his tweet about Venezuela kind of gives it away.

CTE is awful.

Chicat wrote:CTE is awful.

Yes it is and we agree again

http://www.tucsonsentinel.com/local/rep ... offs-loom/" target="_blank
Mr. Hansen may soon be out of ink. So too the Daily Star.

KillerKlown wrote:http://www.tucsonsentinel.com/local/rep ... offs-loom/
Mr. Hansen may soon be out of ink. So too the Daily Star.

Regardless of one’s opinion of Hansen, this is a horrific situation for any news organization. Would/will reduce the Star to nothing more than fish wrap, and rob Tucson of its premiere source of journalism.

The greening of America is almost complete....

Gumby saw this happen to him too at the Spokane paper.

Just an awful situation for journalists everywhere.

When I first moved to Cali in 1985, I had the ADS mailed to me to keep in touch with Tucson news, but especially Hansen.

He excelled at getting people to read his articles, and talk about them.

I wonder if the former Tucson Citizen people were able to recover the deleted archives or if it's lost forever. Decades of history lost. Including century old photos.

pc in NM wrote:

KillerKlown wrote:http://www.tucsonsentinel.com/local/rep ... offs-loom/
Mr. Hansen may soon be out of ink. So too the Daily Star.

Regardless of one’s opinion of Hansen, this is a horrific situation for any news organization. Would/will reduce the Star to nothing more than fish wrap, and rob Tucson of its premiere source of journalism.

The greening of America is almost complete....

I hate what is happening to local newspapers.

I do not hate what is happening to Hansen.

He should have been fired one year ago this very week.

They do that then, I sing their praises for their ethics and, who knows, maybe the Arizona Internet contingent doesn’t have a solid year’s worth of turning away and their bottom line looks a bit better for today.

Hansen lied on air about an indicted former coach being his source in a federal investigation over largely sealed evidence on a national radio station linked to a hotly disputed and largely debunked piece of anonymously-sourced, unverified sensationalism about the coach he’s waged a loud vendetta against for years a mere few days after using said debunked piece to call for said coach’s resignation.

He’s absolute shitstain.

JMarkJohns wrote:

pc in NM wrote:

KillerKlown wrote:http://www.tucsonsentinel.com/local/rep ... offs-loom/
Mr. Hansen may soon be out of ink. So too the Daily Star.

Regardless of one’s opinion of Hansen, this is a horrific situation for any news organization. Would/will reduce the Star to nothing more than fish wrap, and rob Tucson of its premiere source of journalism.

The greening of America is almost complete....

I hate what is happening to local newspapers.

I do not hate what is happening to Hansen.

He should have been fired one year ago this very week.

They do that then, I sing their praises for their ethics and, who knows, maybe the Arizona Internet contingent doesn’t have a solid year’s worth of turning away and their bottom line looks a bit better for today.

Hansen lied on air about an indicted former coach being his source in a federal investigation over largely sealed evidence on a national radio station linked to a hotly disputed and largely debunked piece of anonymously-sourced, unverified sensationalism about the coach he’s waged a loud vendetta against for years a mere few days after using said debunked piece to call for said coach’s resignation.

He’s absolute shitstain.

^^^This times 1000X^^^

IF Hansen were an actual honest journalist I'd feel something...(who in hell has not seen this coming for about 10 years now? The same people who still buy porn?)but since he is not I don't give a flying fuck if they fire him yesterday...the sooner he's gone the better.

I get the Star delivered daily in print. This sucks.

CatFanOneMil wrote:

JMarkJohns wrote:

pc in NM wrote:

KillerKlown wrote:http://www.tucsonsentinel.com/local/rep ... offs-loom/
Mr. Hansen may soon be out of ink. So too the Daily Star.

Regardless of one’s opinion of Hansen, this is a horrific situation for any news organization. Would/will reduce the Star to nothing more than fish wrap, and rob Tucson of its premiere source of journalism.

The greening of America is almost complete....

I hate what is happening to local newspapers.

I do not hate what is happening to Hansen.

He should have been fired one year ago this very week.

They do that then, I sing their praises for their ethics and, who knows, maybe the Arizona Internet contingent doesn’t have a solid year’s worth of turning away and their bottom line looks a bit better for today.

Hansen lied on air about an indicted former coach being his source in a federal investigation over largely sealed evidence on a national radio station linked to a hotly disputed and largely debunked piece of anonymously-sourced, unverified sensationalism about the coach he’s waged a loud vendetta against for years a mere few days after using said debunked piece to call for said coach’s resignation.

He’s absolute shitstain.

^^^This times 1000X^^^

IF Hansen were an actual honest journalist I'd feel something...(who in hell has not seen this coming for about 10 years now? The same people who still buy porn?)but since he is not I don't give a flying fuck if they fire him yesterday...the sooner he's gone the better.

Completely agree and fuck Hansen

Also I think local sports content for Tucson is as good as its ever been between all the sites that now cover Arizona athletics. So many options other then just Arizona daily star. Candidly their content sucks compared to other sites outside of Michael lev. That paper is becoming irrelevant on the sports scene to me

I don’t feel bad for journalists as yes this outcome could have been seen for years. I look at a guy like Daniel berk who left the paper to work for Arizona athletics because he could see the writing on the wall probably. Newspaper business been tough forever

Maybe Hansen can get a job as a chimney sweep or telegraph operator.

Seems like a perfect candidate for an ESPN gig.

One irreplaceable aspect of all these long-term journalists being forced out is that they will take with them a historical perspective and knowledge that does not otherwise exist in the institution. And this is clearly true of Hansen, too.

Almost weekly, if not more often, he offers reports on minor local sports history (golf, bowling, soccer, boxing, wrestling, cross country, minor league baseball, and on and on), local sports personalities (coaches, athletes, family stories, boosters, administrators, promoters, etc.), venues (The Tucson Racquet Club, local golf courses, high schools, colleges, etc.) and much more that would easily be forgotten - this is all the fabric of the community of Tuscon and Southern Arizona, the daily living of local athletics on both the large and small scale. No one needs fear that major figures will be covered (often with mere cut-and-pasting of press releases or mere quotations from over-controlled press access functions)

Another thing about seasoned journalists with some sense of tenure, is that they can challenge established authority, bring truth to power, and, even occasionally make mistakes (even grievous errors), and still continue to do their job for the public. This too is true of Hansen. The local sports icons, those paid more than the heads of their respective institutions, those with national presence and awesome financial resources and local power bases, can be challenged; their foibles, flaws, errors and shortcomings can be pointed out and addressed, with less fear of retribution or termination than lesser, unknown newcomers. (CSM can rudely dismiss such a in-state reporter for merely asking a question that is entirely legitimate, appropriate and even expected, and be cheered for it! And when a mere "no comment" would suffice and be accepted, then that reporter could feel his/her job is challenged, even threatened!)

If any of these journalists are to be prematurely removed, Tuscon, and Southern Arizona, are worse off in each instance. Maybe the loss of a long-tenured sports reporter/commentator is among the most minor losses in terms of overall consequences for the public, but it is/would be a significant loss nonetheless.

I personally find it ironic that so many on these sports fan based boards express strong progressive political sentiments, understand the inherent dangers of the attack on national media, yet behave as reactionary conservative firebrands when one of their sports icons is challenged....

Hansen should have been fired after the radio interview last year. No sympathy from me for him.

I was also disgusted by the way he attacked Lute after knowing he'd had a stroke. His own son had a stroke and he should have known better than anyone what strokes can do to people. Fuck Hansen.

JMarkJohns wrote:

pc in NM wrote:

KillerKlown wrote:http://www.tucsonsentinel.com/local/rep ... offs-loom/
Mr. Hansen may soon be out of ink. So too the Daily Star.

Regardless of one’s opinion of Hansen, this is a horrific situation for any news organization. Would/will reduce the Star to nothing more than fish wrap, and rob Tucson of its premiere source of journalism.

The greening of America is almost complete....

I hate what is happening to local newspapers.

I do not hate what is happening to Hansen.

He should have been fired one year ago this very week.

They do that then, I sing their praises for their ethics and, who knows, maybe the Arizona Internet contingent doesn’t have a solid year’s worth of turning away and their bottom line looks a bit better for today.

Hansen lied on air about an indicted former coach being his source in a federal investigation over largely sealed evidence on a national radio station linked to a hotly disputed and largely debunked piece of anonymously-sourced, unverified sensationalism about the coach he’s waged a loud vendetta against for years a mere few days after using said debunked piece to call for said coach’s resignation.

He’s absolute shitstain.

yep

pc in NM wrote:One irreplaceable aspect of all these long-term journalists being forced out is that they will take with them a historical perspective and knowledge that does not otherwise exist in the institution. And this is clearly true of Hansen, too.

Almost weekly, if not more often, he offers reports on minor local sports history (golf, bowling, soccer, boxing, wrestling, cross country, minor league baseball, and on and on), local sports personalities (coaches, athletes, family stories, boosters, administrators, promoters, etc.), venues (The Tucson Racquet Club, local golf courses, high schools, colleges, etc.) and much more that would easily be forgotten - this is all the fabric of the community of Tuscon and Southern Arizona, the daily living of local athletics on both the large and small scale. No one needs fear that major figures will be covered (often with mere cut-and-pasting of press releases or mere quotations from over-controlled press access functions)

Another thing about seasoned journalists with some sense of tenure, is that they can challenge established authority, bring truth to power, and, even occasionally make mistakes (even grievous errors), and still continue to do their job for the public. This too is true of Hansen. The local sports icons, those paid more than the heads of their respective institutions, those with national presence and awesome financial resources and local power bases, can be challenged; their foibles, flaws, errors and shortcomings can be pointed out and addressed, with less fear of retribution or termination than lesser, unknown newcomers. (CSM can rudely dismiss such a in-state reporter for merely asking a question that is entirely legitimate, appropriate and even expected, and be cheered for it! And when a mere "no comment" would suffice and be accepted, then that reporter could feel his/her job is challenged, even threatened!)

If any of these journalists are to be prematurely removed, Tuscon, and Southern Arizona, are worse off in each instance. Maybe the loss of a long-tenured sports reporter/commentator is among the most minor losses in terms of overall consequences for the public, but it is/would be a significant loss nonetheless.

I personally find it ironic that so many on these sports fan based boards express strong progressive political sentiments, understand the inherent dangers of the attack on national media, yet behave as reactionary conservative firebrands when one of their sports icons is challenged....

As one of Hansen’s colleagues pointed out to me on Twitter last year after the lies and not-really apologies, “Hansen isn’t a journalist; he’s a columnist.”

Journalism doesn’t lose a goddamn thing by his being bought out.

It lost almost everything by keeping him.

Hansen, you had one job....

JMarkJohns wrote:

pc in NM wrote:One irreplaceable aspect of all these long-term journalists being forced out is that they will take with them a historical perspective and knowledge that does not otherwise exist in the institution. And this is clearly true of Hansen, too.

Almost weekly, if not more often, he offers reports on minor local sports history (golf, bowling, soccer, boxing, wrestling, cross country, minor league baseball, and on and on), local sports personalities (coaches, athletes, family stories, boosters, administrators, promoters, etc.), venues (The Tucson Racquet Club, local golf courses, high schools, colleges, etc.) and much more that would easily be forgotten - this is all the fabric of the community of Tuscon and Southern Arizona, the daily living of local athletics on both the large and small scale. No one needs fear that major figures will be covered (often with mere cut-and-pasting of press releases or mere quotations from over-controlled press access functions)

Another thing about seasoned journalists with some sense of tenure, is that they can challenge established authority, bring truth to power, and, even occasionally make mistakes (even grievous errors), and still continue to do their job for the public. This too is true of Hansen. The local sports icons, those paid more than the heads of their respective institutions, those with national presence and awesome financial resources and local power bases, can be challenged; their foibles, flaws, errors and shortcomings can be pointed out and addressed, with less fear of retribution or termination than lesser, unknown newcomers. (CSM can rudely dismiss such a in-state reporter for merely asking a question that is entirely legitimate, appropriate and even expected, and be cheered for it! And when a mere "no comment" would suffice and be accepted, then that reporter could feel his/her job is challenged, even threatened!)

If any of these journalists are to be prematurely removed, Tuscon, and Southern Arizona, are worse off in each instance. Maybe the loss of a long-tenured sports reporter/commentator is among the most minor losses in terms of overall consequences for the public, but it is/would be a significant loss nonetheless.

I personally find it ironic that so many on these sports fan based boards express strong progressive political sentiments, understand the inherent dangers of the attack on national media, yet behave as reactionary conservative firebrands when one of their sports icons is challenged....

As one of Hansen’s colleagues pointed out to me on Twitter last year after the lies and not-really apologies, “Hansen isn’t a journalist; he’s a columnist.”

Journalism doesn’t lose a goddamn thing by his being bought out.

It lost almost everything by keeping him.

But where are we going to get those 1970s Southern Utah high school sports anecdotes??

Oh, hey PC, it’s “Tucson”...

Would the Star hire a columnist from elsewhere to replace Greg or would they bump Lev up to columnist?

ChooChooCat wrote:Would the Star hire a columnist from elsewhere to replace Greg or would they bump Lev up to columnist?

I really like Lev, but not sure he has what it takes to be controversial.

I find it hard to feel bad.

In terms of basketball analysis, I feel like this board is significantly better than Hansen. I've basically stopped reading his column because it offers so little insight.

His handling of non-basketball matters has similarly lacked insight, and the inexplicable lying during the radio interview is so baffling. I'm just not sure what value he adds now.

And that's how the modern work environment is. If you don't add value, you may be unemployed. You can't become obsolete, and Hansen became obsolete (and torpedoed himself on the radio).

I have enjoyed and been annoyed by Hansen in the past. But this isn’t about Hansen. He’s one person mentioned among a large group of veteran reporters being made redundant. The continuing degradation of the press and its ability to do the job can’t end well. It all feels like Roland the last Gunslinger in Dark Tower trying to hold things together as they spiral out of control. Things are never in stasis, they are either building and growing or entropy is setting in and ripping things apart. Not hard to see the direction these days . . .

Reposting this from the Sean Miller thread, because it bears reiteration:

I was a sportswriter for our local newspaper for three years. Was paid less than a teacher and never got a raise.

I was one of the non-assholes in the profession. I fought my managing editor every single day on this and most weekends. He pushed me to ask the asshole questions, every interview. The ones I knew would get a source to shut down, if not punch my lights out. Like asking Roger Clemens about his recent steroid use, that sort of thing.

You want to talk about assholes? That editor was one. Hell, I even did my college internship at the Star when Gimino and Morales made the newsroom go and Pascoe was first starting out, and "Columbo" does not even rank on the scale of assholes compared to Hansen.

But sure, go ahead and share your "all sporrs journalists are soft assholes" views with Gimino the next time he posts one of his analyses no one can get anywhere else. Or Morales. Or Steve Rivera.

I'm sure they'd all be happy to factually explain to which part of Phoenix you could drive.


When the great store of accounts is set, I think it will be concluded that Hansen, a "columnist" and not a journalist, did the Star more harm than good in his legacy. For one who so loves to tell old Tucson sports stories, he sure can't render a fair or relevant opinion of most sports in Tucson now.

ByJoveByJingle wrote:I have enjoyed and been annoyed by Hansen in the past. But this isn’t about Hansen. He’s one person mentioned among a large group of veteran reporters being made redundant. The continuing degradation of the press and its ability to do the job can’t end well. It all feels like Roland the last Gunslinger in Dark Tower trying to hold things together as they spiral out of control. Things are never in stasis, they are either building and growing or entropy is setting in and ripping things apart. Not hard to see the direction these days . . .

So eventually Hansen's going to write himself into the story for no apparent reason, then we'll get a movie adaptation that takes a giant, steaming dump on the parts of the story the readers liked?

he loves everything Utah - always has

He's like a poor man's mark schlabach. If you're gonna print hot takes, make em relevant! That is baaaaad clickbait

97cats wrote:he loves everything Utah - always has

I've just never understood why he's been at the Star forever. Loves everything Utah except living in Utah? Or so lucky to have a job that he can't ever go home?

UAEebs86 wrote:

Simple observation...

...I didn't know BYU was in the Pac-12...???

Thought that would be the number one criteria for comparison. PS - Lopsided win record or not, the UA/ASU rivalry is much more intense. Rivalries have nothing to do with an individual sport, rather the ultra hate/disrespect for each other overall.

Hansen excels at getting people talking about his articles and has since the 80s.

https://www.kgun9.com/sports/local-spor ... ur-decades" target="_blank

I wish I loved anything as much as Greg Hansen loves telling the people of Tucson how much better it is in Utah.

Put him in a home already

I hope Utah brings you continued joy for your gloating to the subscribers that support your employer’s newspaper, Greg.

Classic case of a fairly new to the market sportscaster not knowing his audience. He has no idea the history of shenanigans the Star pulled on Lute, always hoping to take him down. The piece totally ignored the fact that Hansen took his “kill shot” at Sean Miller when a reporter with integrity would have paused and examined the facts. That’s why guys like Sheer continue to mock him.

Longhorned wrote:I hope Utah brings you continued joy for your gloating to the subscribers that support your employer’s newspaper, Greg.

His Sunday column last week was that Arizona lost the Oregon trip because they had better seniors.

SabinoDrifter wrote:

Longhorned wrote:I hope Utah brings you continued joy for your gloating to the subscribers that support your employer’s newspaper, Greg.

His Sunday column last week was that Arizona lost the Oregon trip because they had better seniors.

I wish my actual, delivered newspaper could somehow register how infrequently I read his columns.

I feel bad for his boys tbh. They stick up for him & take a beating/look almost silly for it. A buddy is a friend of one his kids & he says they're solid people - which makes sense. But man, Utah homer-ism is an odd hill to stake your flag on. Bizarro world.

Bear Down Vegas wrote:I feel bad for his boys tbh. They stick up for him & take a beating/look almost silly for it. A buddy is a friend of one his kids & he says they're solid people - which makes sense. But man, Utah homer-ism is an odd hill to stake your flag on. Bizarro world.

I wish people would applaud the sons for sticking up for their father on principle while, at the same time, people would otherwise leave the sons alone and laugh at the sons' father. Speaking for myself, I've read local columnists in other places I've lived, and never seen the animosity I've seen coming out of Hansen sr. for decades.

Longhorned wrote:

SabinoDrifter wrote:

Longhorned wrote:I hope Utah brings you continued joy for your gloating to the subscribers that support your employer’s newspaper, Greg.

His Sunday column last week was that Arizona lost the Oregon trip because they had better seniors.

I wish my actual, delivered newspaper could somehow register how infrequently I read his columns.

To be fair, in five years, there might not be much left.

Longhorned wrote:

Bear Down Vegas wrote:I feel bad for his boys tbh. They stick up for him & take a beating/look almost silly for it. A buddy is a friend of one his kids & he says they're solid people - which makes sense. But man, Utah homer-ism is an odd hill to stake your flag on. Bizarro world.

I wish people would applaud the sons for sticking up for their father on principle while, at the same time, people would otherwise leave the sons alone and laugh at the sons' father. Speaking for myself, I've read local columnists in other places I've lived, and never seen the animosity I've seen coming out of Hansen sr. for decades.

I have never seen a tenured sports writer with as much animosity towards the local main stay sports program as Hansen exhibits...in a larger (and perhaps younger) market he wouldn't survive two seasons writing the kind of trash he puts out.

why anyone would willingly read handsen is beyond me.

especially after he was caught blatantly lying during the book/fbi stuff. hell he even admitted it was a lie.

if the paper h e worked for had an ounce of credibility left they woulda canned him then and there

CatFanOneMil wrote:

Longhorned wrote:

Bear Down Vegas wrote:I feel bad for his boys tbh. They stick up for him & take a beating/look almost silly for it. A buddy is a friend of one his kids & he says they're solid people - which makes sense. But man, Utah homer-ism is an odd hill to stake your flag on. Bizarro world.

I wish people would applaud the sons for sticking up for their father on principle while, at the same time, people would otherwise leave the sons alone and laugh at the sons' father. Speaking for myself, I've read local columnists in other places I've lived, and never seen the animosity I've seen coming out of Hansen sr. for decades.

I have never seen a tenured sports writer with as much animosity towards the local main stay sports program as Hansen exhibits...in a larger (and perhaps younger) market he wouldn't survive two seasons writing the kind of trash he puts out.

I’m convinced his farewell article as he heads off to retirement will be titled “So Long, Stinktown!” and will spend the first three paragraphs talking about how Wasatch Valley High’s 1996 Girls Golf team is better than any team he ever covered from Tucson.

Makes you appreciate LATimes writer Jim Murray all the more.

When I first moved to San Francisco from Tucson in 1985, pre-internet days I used to get the Sunday ADS mailed to my home. Hansen was a big part of that, even though he was a Lute hater.

Love him or hate him, he gets you talking, so in that aspect he is successful.

Kind of reminds me of Jon Wilner, when he moved from the Tucson Citizen to the San Jose Mercury News he seemed to really show he wasn't a UA homer by writing negative articles about the programs.

Thinking about it, I read Hansen less now than I ever have. Still FB friends with Ben though. Ben was the reason I moved from Cat Tracks to Goazcats.

Hansen is just nasty and negative when he doesn’t need to be. It’s as though he goes out of his way to hit the UA harder and give reverence to other coaches undeservedly.

Miller has owned Utah during his tenure here.

And Hansen is ready to praise Altman and diminish Miller at every opportunity. But he selectively ignores the dirty laundry of Oregon’s program (rape allegations). He writes as though he believes readers don’t have memories.