Bear Down Wildcats

Posted: **Thu Nov 28, 2024 8:18 am**

TheCat wrote: Wed Nov 27, 2024 8:36 pm
Caleb is struggling as we can all see. What we also know is he ranks eighth in University of North Carolina (UNC) history for three-pointers made with 200. That is 8th after 3 years not 4 or 5. Love also had a streak of 86 consecutive games with at least one three-pointer made between the 2021-22 and 2022-23 seasons. Everybody knows about his tournament performance against Duke while at NC. He has struggled this year I think because he is trying to change his game. He was the PAC player of the year although he disappeared at time. His final story is being written as we speak. I hope it is a good one for AZ and Caleb.

The point was that when it comes to shooting Love has struggled his entire career. Which is part of why he isn’t in the NBA. Including in that Duke tournament game Arizona fans love to bring up presumably not knowing that he was 3-11 from 3FG in that one as well.

Quick hitters on todays game:

1.Until Providence Oklahoma hand’t played anyone.
2.Until Oklahoma Providence hadn’t played anyone.
3. Much will be made about 5-star PG freshman Fears who reclassed to play for Moser and who was on Lloyd’s USA team this summer.
4. The dude to keep an eye on is 6’7” Senior Jalon Moore. Be interested to see if Lloyd has Lewis check him like he did Flagg.
5. OU has shot it well to date but isn’t great on the glass, sort of the opposite of Arizona. Look for the Cats to buffer their chances of winning by dominating the glass leading to more possessions/shots.
6. Much will also be made of OU’s propensity to turn you over. Watch this all game but especially at the start to the halves. Turning Lloyd’s offense over is part of the recipe for slowing it down.
7. Speaking of which OU’s defense has been extremely slow to date. Being slow defensively correlates with being good defensively. Which might mean that the Sooner’s defense is better than its current KP rank (39th).

Posted: **Thu Nov 28, 2024 8:51 am**

We need to continue to play inside out. No more just jacking 3's

Posted: **Thu Nov 28, 2024 5:41 pm**

Convince me we are a tourney team

Posted: **Thu Nov 28, 2024 5:42 pm**

Djcat wrote: Thu Nov 28, 2024 5:41 pm Convince me we are a tourney team

Holy shit

Posted: **Thu Nov 28, 2024 5:48 pm**

Djcat wrote: Thu Nov 28, 2024 5:41 pm Convince me we are a tourney team

Certainly not right now. Three A games according to KenPom and three losses.

Posted: **Thu Nov 28, 2024 6:02 pm**

Djcat wrote: Thu Nov 28, 2024 5:41 pm Convince me we are a tourney team

I think everyone forgets that not all tourney teams are good.

Posted: **Thu Nov 28, 2024 6:41 pm**

PHXCATS wrote: Thu Nov 28, 2024 5:42 pm
Djcat wrote: Thu Nov 28, 2024 5:41 pm Convince me we are a tourney team
Holy shit

Arizona is terrible. But hey, I’m sure they’re going to figure things out quickly enough to win their remaining OOC games, put up a respectable B12 record, and make the FF…right, PHX?

Sometimes appearance is reality.

Posted: **Thu Nov 28, 2024 7:09 pm**

Beachcat97 wrote: Thu Nov 28, 2024 6:41 pm
PHXCATS wrote: Thu Nov 28, 2024 5:42 pm
Djcat wrote: Thu Nov 28, 2024 5:41 pm Convince me we are a tourney team
Holy shit

Arizona is terrible. But hey, I’m sure they’re going to figure things out quickly enough to win their remaining OOC games, put up a respectable B12 record, and make the FF…right, PHX?

Sometimes appearance is reality.

Notice how you didn't take me up on the bet big guy

Posted: **Thu Nov 28, 2024 7:21 pm**

PHXCATS wrote: Thu Nov 28, 2024 7:09 pm
Beachcat97 wrote: Thu Nov 28, 2024 6:41 pm
PHXCATS wrote: Thu Nov 28, 2024 5:42 pm
Djcat wrote: Thu Nov 28, 2024 5:41 pm Convince me we are a tourney team
Holy shit

Arizona is terrible. But hey, I’m sure they’re going to figure things out quickly enough to win their remaining OOC games, put up a respectable B12 record, and make the FF…right, PHX?

Sometimes appearance is reality.
Notice how you didn't take me up on the bet big guy

I bet you were born with that stick up your ass.

Posted: **Thu Nov 28, 2024 7:29 pm**

PHXCATS wrote: Thu Nov 28, 2024 7:09 pm
Beachcat97 wrote: Thu Nov 28, 2024 6:41 pm
PHXCATS wrote: Thu Nov 28, 2024 5:42 pm
Djcat wrote: Thu Nov 28, 2024 5:41 pm Convince me we are a tourney team
Holy shit

Arizona is terrible. But hey, I’m sure they’re going to figure things out quickly enough to win their remaining OOC games, put up a respectable B12 record, and make the FF…right, PHX?

Sometimes appearance is reality.
Notice how you didn't take me up on the bet big guy

What are we betting on? I try to ignore as many of your posts as possible.

Posted: **Thu Nov 28, 2024 8:15 pm**

Sure thing slugger

Ucla vs UA game on the 14th.

UA wins you don't post to April. UCLA wins I won't post to April. Deal?

Posted: **Thu Nov 28, 2024 8:17 pm**

PHXCATS wrote: Thu Nov 28, 2024 8:15 pm Sure thing slugger

Ucla vs UA game on the 14th.

UA wins you don't post to April. UCLA wins I won't post to April. Deal?

Nah. Piss off.

Posted: **Thu Nov 28, 2024 8:41 pm**

Beachcat97 wrote: Thu Nov 28, 2024 8:17 pm
PHXCATS wrote: Thu Nov 28, 2024 8:15 pm Sure thing slugger

Ucla vs UA game on the 14th.

UA wins you don't post to April. UCLA wins I won't post to April. Deal?
Nah. Piss off.

Exactly as I thought b

Posted: **Thu Nov 28, 2024 11:18 pm**

For such supposedly athletic players, the 3 point defense is atrocious for Arizona.

270th in 3 point defense. https://www.teamrankings.com/ncaa-baske ... -point-pct

Offensively, 263rd https://www.ncaa.com/stats/basketball-m ... eam/152/p6

Welcome to the Love era at Arizona, where every team will pack the paint and make Arizona beat them from outside.

Love in 6 games this season is 12/44 3PT, which is 27%. Like has been said, Love is a scorer, not a shooter, so have to take the good with the bad.

Fortunately, ADO has picked up the 3PT slack. He is 10 for 21, for 47.6%.

Posted: **Fri Nov 29, 2024 7:25 am**

I am just amazed at the talent slip from year to year under Lloyd at the NBA level. We used to have two or three guys that were sure fire locks to play in the league and then n this team, we might have one….maybe.

Posted: **Fri Nov 29, 2024 8:11 am**

azcat49 wrote: Fri Nov 29, 2024 7:25 am I am just amazed at the talent slip from year to year under Lloyd at the NBA level. We used to have two or three guys that were sure fire locks to play in the league and then n this team, we might have one….maybe.

And the 1 we have has that credit based on projection not current performance, playing less than 10 minutes per game.

Turns out both Fears and Moore killed Arizona. Combining for 50 of OU’s 82 points. Hoping The Cat watched the game so he/she could see what a point guard looks and plays like. 17 year old should be a senior in high school took Bradley to the cleaners all game and appeared to be in his head all afternoon.

On account of having zero players on the floor who can score the ball Lloyd was forced to go to Dell Orso in the 1st half. Who, gave up a bucket defensively for every one he scored. No clue what this guy is doing in an Arizona uniform.

On account of OU’s athleticism and toughness, something Arizona is going to see each and every night in the Big 12, Lloyd couldn’t play either of his Euros. Veesaar neither could defend nor hold on to the ball and the Sooners had Krivas repeatedly defending pick and roll actions 20 feet from the hoop. Which for reasons that are opaque to me Lloyd had him switching. Watching that had the effect of making me yearn for Miller’s hedging.

OU won the battle of the glass and in what is becoming a bit of an alarming trend for this Arizona team the assist game as well.

Through 6 games Arizona has played itself out of the NCAA Tournament and Arizona’s last best hope is for him to coach the Cats out of the mess they find themselves in.

Posted: **Fri Nov 29, 2024 9:34 am**

Winger wrote: Fri Nov 29, 2024 8:11 am
azcat49 wrote: Fri Nov 29, 2024 7:25 am I am just amazed at the talent slip from year to year under Lloyd at the NBA level. We used to have two or three guys that were sure fire locks to play in the league and then n this team, we might have one….maybe.
And the 1 we have has that credit based on projection not current performance, playing less than 10 minutes per game.

Turns out both Fears and Moore killed Arizona. Combining for 50 of OU’s 82 points. Hoping The Cat watched the game so he/she could see what a point guard looks and plays like. 17 year old should be a senior in high school took Bradley to the cleaners all game and appeared to be in his head all afternoon.

On account of having zero players on the floor who can score the ball Lloyd was forced to go to Dell Orso in the 1st half. Who, gave up a bucket defensively for every one he scored. No clue what this guy is doing in an Arizona uniform.

On account of OU’s athleticism and toughness, something Arizona is going to see each and every night in the Big 12, Lloyd couldn’t play either of his Euros. Veesaar neither could defend nor hold on to the ball and the Sooners had Krivas repeatedly defending pick and roll actions 20 feet from the hoop. Which for reasons that are opaque to me Lloyd had him switching. Watching that had the effect of making me yearn for Miller’s hedging.

OU won the battle of the glass and in what is becoming a bit of an alarming trend for this Arizona team the assist game as well.

Through 6 games Arizona has played itself out of the NCAA Tournament and Arizona’s last best hope is for him to coach the Cats out of the mess they find themselves in.

Tommy and his staff are simply not coaching well enough early on in the season. Several of the players have more than 1 deficiency and don’t appear to be improving in either the areas that they are already good in or the area(s) that need improving. We have the size and athleticism to be rim running the entire game. We have the bench to be playing tougher, possibly full court, defense. We have the size to be blocking shots and rebounding and playing great inside help defense. And yet players seem wholly unprepared. Tommy needs to finds ways to motivate and eliminate the laziness and/or timidness.

Posted: **Fri Nov 29, 2024 9:41 am**

What happened to Tommy's rep in being a big man developer? Don't see any improvement in Veesaar or Krivas. Just seem soft and get pushed around a lot. Awaka is fine, just not tall.

Winger wrote: Fri Nov 29, 2024 8:11 am had Krivas repeatedly defending pick and roll actions 20 feet from the hoop.

With the UA 3 point offense and defense both around the 260-270 range it seems having Krivas hanging out on the perimeter does not seem to be working on both sides of the ball.

Just to be Captain Obvious, not having the OU defender come out and defend Krivas meant the Cats were playing 4 on 5. You can't just let some defender camp out in the paint with no one to cover. Besides blocking the lanes, it gives the defense an extra rebounder.

If Krivas is not thread from the 3, bring in Veesaar and have take some open looks.

Posted: **Fri Nov 29, 2024 12:14 pm**

Merkin wrote: Fri Nov 29, 2024 9:41 am What happened to Tommy's rep in being a big man developer? Don't see any improvement in Veesaar or Krivas. Just seem soft and get pushed around a lot. Awaka is fine, just not tall.

Winger wrote: Fri Nov 29, 2024 8:11 am had Krivas repeatedly defending pick and roll actions 20 feet from the hoop.
With the UA 3 point offense and defense both around the 260-270 range it seems having Krivas hanging out on the perimeter does not seem to be working on both sides of the ball.

Just to be Captain Obvious, not having the OU defender come out and defend Krivas meant the Cats were playing 4 on 5. You can't just let some defender camp out in the paint with no one to cover. Besides blocking the lanes, it gives the defense an extra rebounder.

If Krivas is not thread from the 3, bring in Veesaar and have take some open looks.

For fuck sake

Posted: **Fri Nov 29, 2024 12:54 pm**

Merkin wrote: Fri Nov 29, 2024 9:41 am What happened to Tommy's rep in being a big man developer? Don't see any improvement in Veesaar or Krivas. Just seem soft and get pushed around a lot. Awaka is fine, just not tall.

Winger wrote: Fri Nov 29, 2024 8:11 am had Krivas repeatedly defending pick and roll actions 20 feet from the hoop.
With the UA 3 point offense and defense both around the 260-270 range it seems having Krivas hanging out on the perimeter does not seem to be working on both sides of the ball.

Just to be Captain Obvious, not having the OU defender come out and defend Krivas meant the Cats were playing 4 on 5. You can't just let some defender camp out in the paint with no one to cover. Besides blocking the lanes, it gives the defense an extra rebounder.

If Krivas is not thread from the 3, bring in Veesaar and have take some open looks.

Well it took 5 years to develop Ballo.

Posted: **Fri Nov 29, 2024 12:55 pm**

Sounds like he's actually disciplining guys now. Hope KJ wont do that stupid shit again.

Posted: **Fri Nov 29, 2024 1:08 pm**

azcat49 wrote: Fri Nov 29, 2024 7:25 am I am just amazed at the talent slip from year to year under Lloyd at the NBA level. We used to have two or three guys that were sure fire locks to play in the league and then n this team, we might have one….maybe.

I noticed that too. Here's the thing about Miller. Despite what people thought about him, he had a player's eye for talent which got better as his time wore on. That's why when Tommy took over, he was able to perform well with Miller's scraps (so to speak) and dominate the Pac. We lost a ton of talent before CTL got here, at least seven with many of them being all conference impact players. But the guys left over were far better than Gonzaga is used to having so CTL took advantage.

Last years team had two NBA players (Larsson and Keshad) and a first teamer. You can't just pick that up in the portal and replace it. Not to mention losing Sanon and Jamari. CTL is the kind of guy that has to learn from his mistakes, otherwise he wouldn't double down on his Euros and hurt the team. He knew the kind of players the Big 12 had when he got spanked by Baylor in the championship game. Why he's allowing this charade to go on is beyond me.

Posted: **Fri Nov 29, 2024 2:00 pm**

Miller didn't have to worry about NIL like Tommy does. I think people are forgetting that.

Posted: **Fri Nov 29, 2024 2:20 pm**

Chicat wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2024 7:57 am
Fishclamps wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2024 7:49 am We only play away at Kansas this year? Fuck that garbage.
1-0 will feel great but 2-0 would of course have felt better.

Care to revisit this prediction?

Posted: **Fri Nov 29, 2024 2:23 pm**

AZCatGirl wrote: Fri Nov 29, 2024 2:00 pm Miller didn't have to worry about NIL like Tommy does. I think people are forgetting that.

CTL had these problems before NIL We needed more athletes when we were still in the Pac. His player evaluation is hurting the team. NIL is a factor, but it becomes a crutch as well.

Posted: **Fri Nov 29, 2024 2:31 pm**

Posted: **Fri Nov 29, 2024 2:57 pm**

Let's face it, we are in a "rebuilding" year, a situation unfamiliar for AZ fans.

Time to readjust expectations

Posted: **Fri Nov 29, 2024 3:08 pm**

RawleArenas wrote: Fri Nov 29, 2024 2:23 pm
AZCatGirl wrote: Fri Nov 29, 2024 2:00 pm Miller didn't have to worry about NIL like Tommy does. I think people are forgetting that.
CTL had these problems before NIL We needed more athletes when we were still in the Pac. His player evaluation is hurting the team. NIL is a factor, but it becomes a crutch as well.

NIL is a bigger deal now than it ever has been. We'd still have Ballo if it wasn't an issue.

Posted: **Fri Nov 29, 2024 3:15 pm**

You and dmj are simply making the old school Kentucky argument for buying the best roster. It doesn't work. CTL always had issues recruiting athletic depth.

Even if you have all the money in the world you still have to pick the right players (we didn't), and they still have to want to come here and play for Lloyd.

Posted: **Fri Nov 29, 2024 3:30 pm**

pc in NM wrote: Fri Nov 29, 2024 2:57 pm Let's face it, we are in a "rebuilding" year, a situation unfamiliar for AZ fans.

Time to readjust expectations

That goes for Tommy too and his expectations. Seem to recall his presser after the 2nd game of the season playing junior college talent where he said that he thinks the Cats are better than their #10 ranking.

Now they won't even being on those listed on the rankings for those receiving other votes.

Our aw shucks head coaches for MBB and FB don't seem to inspire any toughness.

Posted: **Fri Nov 29, 2024 3:32 pm**

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Posted: **Fri Nov 29, 2024 3:43 pm**

RawleArenas wrote: Fri Nov 29, 2024 3:15 pm You and dmj are simply making the old school Kentucky argument for buying the best roster. It doesn't work. CTL always had issues recruiting athletic depth.

Even if you have all the money in the world you still have to pick the right players (we didn't), and they still have to want to come here and play for Lloyd.

Bullshit. Pull your head out.

Kentucky has plenty of NIL to buy players.........we don't. We can't even begin to compete with the top 10, much less "Buy the best team money can buy".

https://www.aseaofblue.com/2024/8/21/24 ... ge-coaches

Posted: **Fri Nov 29, 2024 3:45 pm**

dmjcat wrote: Fri Nov 29, 2024 3:43 pm
RawleArenas wrote: Fri Nov 29, 2024 3:15 pm You and dmj are simply making the old school Kentucky argument for buying the best roster. It doesn't work. CTL always had issues recruiting athletic depth.

Even if you have all the money in the world you still have to pick the right players (we didn't), and they still have to want to come here and play for Lloyd.
Bullshit. Pull your head out.

Kentucky has plenty of NIL to buy players.........we don't. We can't even begin to compete with the top 10, much less "Buy the best team money can buy".

https://www.aseaofblue.com/2024/8/21/24 ... ge-coaches

Rawle can speak for himself, but pretty sure he was referring to UK stocking up on 5 star players pre-NIL, but still getting early exits.

Posted: **Fri Nov 29, 2024 3:46 pm**

This team isn’t well-constructed and doesn’t play Tommy’s system well against halfway decent competition, but worst of all they aren’t all that fun to watch and they don’t look like they’re having fun playing.

Posted: **Fri Nov 29, 2024 3:55 pm**

Merkin wrote: Fri Nov 29, 2024 3:45 pm
dmjcat wrote: Fri Nov 29, 2024 3:43 pm
RawleArenas wrote: Fri Nov 29, 2024 3:15 pm You and dmj are simply making the old school Kentucky argument for buying the best roster. It doesn't work. CTL always had issues recruiting athletic depth.

Even if you have all the money in the world you still have to pick the right players (we didn't), and they still have to want to come here and play for Lloyd.
Bullshit. Pull your head out.

Kentucky has plenty of NIL to buy players.........we don't. We can't even begin to compete with the top 10, much less "Buy the best team money can buy".

https://www.aseaofblue.com/2024/8/21/24 ... ge-coaches

Rawle can speak for himself, but pretty sure he was referring to UK stocking up on 5 star players pre-NIL, but still getting early exits.

Thanks Merk. I thought my point was self evident, but you can't take anything for granted with some posters.

Posted: **Fri Nov 29, 2024 4:02 pm**

RawleArenas wrote: Fri Nov 29, 2024 3:55 pm
Merkin wrote: Fri Nov 29, 2024 3:45 pm
dmjcat wrote: Fri Nov 29, 2024 3:43 pm
RawleArenas wrote: Fri Nov 29, 2024 3:15 pm You and dmj are simply making the old school Kentucky argument for buying the best roster. It doesn't work. CTL always had issues recruiting athletic depth.

Even if you have all the money in the world you still have to pick the right players (we didn't), and they still have to want to come here and play for Lloyd.
Bullshit. Pull your head out.

Kentucky has plenty of NIL to buy players.........we don't. We can't even begin to compete with the top 10, much less "Buy the best team money can buy".

https://www.aseaofblue.com/2024/8/21/24 ... ge-coaches

Rawle can speak for himself, but pretty sure he was referring to UK stocking up on 5 star players pre-NIL, but still getting early exits.
Thanks Merk. I thought my point was self evident, but you can't take anything for granted with some posters.

More bullshit.

You posted "Buying the best roster"...........Buying implies post NIL.

I would suggest you actually read what you write BEFORE you hit the submit button.

Posted: **Fri Nov 29, 2024 4:04 pm**

Lloyd has whiffed a ton, don’t take this the wrong way, but here are Miller’s misses his last 5 seasons:

Simmons
Commanche
Dylan Smith
Randolph
Akot
Lee
Barcello
Pinder
Coleman
Luther
Doutrive
Jeter
Mannion
Gettings
Baker
Hazzard
J Brown
Goerner

That aside, the last 2 games, and even a chunk of the first game, were hard to watch. I dont even recognize Arizona’s offense. If you can call what we are running an offense. Hard for me to get behind the idea that this is a rebuilding season as well. For one, no one rebuilds in this free-transfer era. Secondly, this team was ranked #9 to start the season and no one would have called this a rebuilding season prior to Arizona flaming out. Lastly, what are we returning next season that is any good?

Arizona is going to need to have a very good in-conference season at this point to make the NCAA tournament. Not sure exactly what the number needed is going to be but .500 isnt going to get it done. And, Arizona is going to play Wisconsins, Dukes, Oklahomas, and WVUs every night in the Big 12 and I am at a loss for how we get to something better than .500.

Lloyd was either blowing smoke or literally has zero clue what he is coaching when he said Arizona was better than the 10th best team in the country.

Cats might not be the 10th best team in their own conference.

Posted: **Fri Nov 29, 2024 4:08 pm**

dmjcat wrote: Fri Nov 29, 2024 4:02 pm
RawleArenas wrote: Fri Nov 29, 2024 3:55 pm
Merkin wrote: Fri Nov 29, 2024 3:45 pm
dmjcat wrote: Fri Nov 29, 2024 3:43 pm
RawleArenas wrote: Fri Nov 29, 2024 3:15 pm You and dmj are simply making the old school Kentucky argument for buying the best roster. It doesn't work. CTL always had issues recruiting athletic depth.

Even if you have all the money in the world you still have to pick the right players (we didn't), and they still have to want to come here and play for Lloyd.
Bullshit. Pull your head out.

Kentucky has plenty of NIL to buy players.........we don't. We can't even begin to compete with the top 10, much less "Buy the best team money can buy".

https://www.aseaofblue.com/2024/8/21/24 ... ge-coaches

Rawle can speak for himself, but pretty sure he was referring to UK stocking up on 5 star players pre-NIL, but still getting early exits.
Thanks Merk. I thought my point was self evident, but you can't take anything for granted with some posters.
More bullshit.

You posted "Buying the best roster"...........Buying implies post NIL.

I would suggest you actually read what you write BEFORE you hit the submit button.

Can someone please take dmj back to basketball preschool and explain to him what I meant? We don't speak the same language.

Posted: **Fri Nov 29, 2024 4:11 pm**

dmjcat wrote: Fri Nov 29, 2024 4:02 pm
RawleArenas wrote: Fri Nov 29, 2024 3:55 pm
Merkin wrote: Fri Nov 29, 2024 3:45 pm
dmjcat wrote: Fri Nov 29, 2024 3:43 pm
RawleArenas wrote: Fri Nov 29, 2024 3:15 pm You and dmj are simply making the old school Kentucky argument for buying the best roster. It doesn't work. CTL always had issues recruiting athletic depth.

Even if you have all the money in the world you still have to pick the right players (we didn't), and they still have to want to come here and play for Lloyd.
Bullshit. Pull your head out.

Kentucky has plenty of NIL to buy players.........we don't. We can't even begin to compete with the top 10, much less "Buy the best team money can buy".

https://www.aseaofblue.com/2024/8/21/24 ... ge-coaches

Rawle can speak for himself, but pretty sure he was referring to UK stocking up on 5 star players pre-NIL, but still getting early exits.
Thanks Merk. I thought my point was self evident, but you can't take anything for granted with some posters.
More bullshit.

You posted "Buying the best roster"...........Buying implies post NIL.

I would suggest you actually read what you write BEFORE you hit the submit button.

And you’re implying that players weren’t getting paid in college pre-NIL….Or do you read what you write before clicking the submit button?

Posted: **Fri Nov 29, 2024 4:17 pm**

IndianaZonaFan wrote: Fri Nov 29, 2024 4:11 pm
dmjcat wrote: Fri Nov 29, 2024 4:02 pm
RawleArenas wrote: Fri Nov 29, 2024 3:55 pm
Merkin wrote: Fri Nov 29, 2024 3:45 pm
dmjcat wrote: Fri Nov 29, 2024 3:43 pm

Bullshit. Pull your head out.

Kentucky has plenty of NIL to buy players.........we don't. We can't even begin to compete with the top 10, much less "Buy the best team money can buy".

https://www.aseaofblue.com/2024/8/21/24 ... ge-coaches

Rawle can speak for himself, but pretty sure he was referring to UK stocking up on 5 star players pre-NIL, but still getting early exits.
Thanks Merk. I thought my point was self evident, but you can't take anything for granted with some posters.
More bullshit.

You posted "Buying the best roster"...........Buying implies post NIL.

I would suggest you actually read what you write BEFORE you hit the submit button.
And you’re implying that players weren’t getting paid in college pre-NIL….Or do you read what you write before clicking the submit button?

Outright getting paid........in the open??? No, there certainly was not otherwise Oregon and Phil Knight would have been hauling in MUCH better recruiting classes for years. Was there money being exchanged under the table, most certainly, especially in football in places like the SEC. But it certainly was not widespread, at least not in college basketball, otherwise the UA would have never had the type of recruiting success they enjoyed Pre-NIL.

Posted: **Fri Nov 29, 2024 4:20 pm**

RawleArenas wrote: Fri Nov 29, 2024 4:08 pm
dmjcat wrote: Fri Nov 29, 2024 4:02 pm
RawleArenas wrote: Fri Nov 29, 2024 3:55 pm
Merkin wrote: Fri Nov 29, 2024 3:45 pm
dmjcat wrote: Fri Nov 29, 2024 3:43 pm

Bullshit. Pull your head out.

Kentucky has plenty of NIL to buy players.........we don't. We can't even begin to compete with the top 10, much less "Buy the best team money can buy".

https://www.aseaofblue.com/2024/8/21/24 ... ge-coaches

Rawle can speak for himself, but pretty sure he was referring to UK stocking up on 5 star players pre-NIL, but still getting early exits.
Thanks Merk. I thought my point was self evident, but you can't take anything for granted with some posters.
More bullshit.

You posted "Buying the best roster"...........Buying implies post NIL.

I would suggest you actually read what you write BEFORE you hit the submit button.
Can someone please take dmj back to basketball preschool and explain to him what I meant? We don't speak the same language.

I speak english perfectly well. Whatever you intended to post, if you are making the claim that NIL is not affecting the UA then you are most certainly living in la-la land. If we had Ballo today I expect that WVU would have had significantly less offensive rebounds and the UA would have won in regulation. It (NIL) is most certainly affecting the UA, and not in a positive way.

Posted: **Fri Nov 29, 2024 4:22 pm**

Winger wrote: Fri Nov 29, 2024 4:04 pm Lloyd has whiffed a ton, don’t take this the wrong way, but here are Miller’s misses his last 5 seasons:

Simmons
Commanche
Dylan Smith
Randolph
Akot
Lee
Barcello
Pinder
Coleman
Luther
Doutrive
Jeter
Mannion
Gettings
Baker
Hazzard
J Brown
Goerner

That aside, the last 2 games, and even a chunk of the first game, were hard to watch. I dont even recognize Arizona’s offense. If you can call what we are running an offense. Hard for me to get behind the idea that this is a rebuilding season as well. For one, no one rebuilds in this free-transfer era. Secondly, this team was ranked #9 to start the season and no one would have called this a rebuilding season prior to Arizona flaming out. Lastly, what are we returning next season that is any good?

Arizona is going to need to have a very good in-conference season at this point to make the NCAA tournament. Not sure exactly what the number needed is going to be but .500 isnt going to get it done. And, Arizona is going to play Wisconsins, Dukes, Oklahomas, and WVUs every night in the Big 12 and I am at a loss for how we get to something better than .500.

Lloyd was either blowing smoke or literally has zero clue what he is coaching when he said Arizona was better than the 10th best team in the country.

Cats might not be the 10th best team in their own conference.

I don't know if I'd call all of those guys misses. IMO some of those guys were supposed to be roll players. Others probably need to stick around a few more years. I'm not sure if Miller thought they would all be instant impact guys or if some of them needed to stay for 3 to 4 years to become impact guys.

Posted: **Fri Nov 29, 2024 4:23 pm**

Winger wrote: Fri Nov 29, 2024 4:04 pm Hard for me to get behind the idea that this is a rebuilding season as well

Especially when your roster is mostly 3rd-5th year players.

Only Lewis, Bryant and Krivas have 2 years or less in the program of the 9 rotation players with Bryant obviously being the only true freshman. And like Lute said and we all know, the biggest jump is between the freshman and sophomore years.

Bryant has also only scored 10 points in the last 4 games.

Posted: **Fri Nov 29, 2024 4:38 pm**

dmjcat wrote: Fri Nov 29, 2024 4:17 pm Outright getting paid........in the open??? No, there certainly was not otherwise Oregon and Phil Knight would have been hauling in MUCH better recruiting classes for years. Was there money being exchanged under the table, most certainly, especially in football in places like the SEC. But it certainly was not widespread, at least not in college basketball, otherwise the UA would have never had the type of recruiting success they enjoyed Pre-NIL.

LOL there were movies and FBI investigations dedicated to the shady money in recruiting.

Posted: **Fri Nov 29, 2024 4:42 pm**

Chicat wrote: Fri Nov 29, 2024 4:38 pm
dmjcat wrote: Fri Nov 29, 2024 4:17 pm Outright getting paid........in the open??? No, there certainly was not otherwise Oregon and Phil Knight would have been hauling in MUCH better recruiting classes for years. Was there money being exchanged under the table, most certainly, especially in football in places like the SEC. But it certainly was not widespread, at least not in college basketball, otherwise the UA would have never had the type of recruiting success they enjoyed Pre-NIL.
LOL there were movies and FBI investigations dedicated to the shady money in recruiting.

ROTFLMAO.........Yes, and they turned up only a handful of schools that were benefiting from agents/shoe money. And the money that was being thrown around was an order of magnitude less than what the payouts are in the NIL period. Deandre Ayton allegedly got $100,000. That won't even buy you one 3 star recruit in the SEC.

Posted: **Fri Nov 29, 2024 4:49 pm**

Many, many issues with this team…but one thing that is maddening is the amount of times our big men bring the ball down when it is completely unnecessary. Anytime they get a good lob entry pass rolling towards the basket, and anytime there’s an offensive board the players bring it down! 90% of the time it is stripped or tied up. Just go up with it right away! Either our coaching is real bad or these big men are all borderline Chase Jeter level with no coordination or basketball instincts whatsoever. Or both.

Posted: **Fri Nov 29, 2024 5:28 pm**

Postmaster wrote: Fri Nov 29, 2024 4:22 pm I don't know if I'd call all of those guys misses. IMO some of those guys were supposed to be roll players. Others probably need to stick around a few more years. I'm not sure if Miller thought they would all be instant impact guys or if some of them needed to stay for 3 to 4 years to become impact guys.

I dont want to die on the “Miller Stunk” hill, especially considering ESPNFBIGate’s effects on his recruiting. But none of those guys besides Barcello did anything anywhere else.

What I was just thinking whilst walking the dogs is: did anyone think every single one of Lloyd’s Euros was going to be a miss?

Or, if you want to give him credit for Larsson: did anyone think Lloyd’s best Euro 4 seasons in would be Pele Larsson?

Shoot today I was reduced to looking up Boswell’s stats (spoiler alert: based on numbers he has been playing pretty well and lots of minutes for what looks to be a pretty good team this season, and he definitely is a point guard).

All of this as an aside is me spitballing my way through the realization that Arizona isn’t going to be very good this season and baring Transfer City probably not next season as well.

But Conrad Martinez will be making the freshman to sophomore jump!

Posted: **Fri Nov 29, 2024 5:32 pm**

Winger wrote: Fri Nov 29, 2024 5:28 pm
Postmaster wrote: Fri Nov 29, 2024 4:22 pm I don't know if I'd call all of those guys misses. IMO some of those guys were supposed to be roll players. Others probably need to stick around a few more years. I'm not sure if Miller thought they would all be instant impact guys or if some of them needed to stay for 3 to 4 years to become impact guys.
I dont want to die on the “Miller Stunk” hill, especially considering ESPNFBIGate’s effects on his recruiting. But none of those guys besides Barcello did anything anywhere else.

What I was just thinking whilst walking the dogs is: did anyone think every single one of Lloyd’s Euros was going to be a miss?

Or, if you want to give him credit for Larsson: did anyone think Lloyd’s best Euro 4 seasons in would be Pele Larsson?

Shoot today I was reduced to looking up Boswell’s stats (spoiler alert: based on numbers he has been playing pretty well and lots of minutes for what looks to be a pretty good team this season, and he definitely is a point guard).

All of this as an aside is me spitballing my way through the realization that Arizona isn’t going to be very good this season and baring Transfer City probably not next season as well.

But Conrad Martinez will be making the freshman to sophomore jump!

I am forced to agree with your conclusion regarding next years team. Unless a half dozen or so very wealthy alumni cough up $5-6M in NIL we are likely not going to have a significant infusion of experienced talent. It remains to be seen if we manage to nab any of the highly rated HS players we are pursuing but we are also NIL limited there as well. We have enough for maybe 1 top level player once Love leaves?

Posted: **Fri Nov 29, 2024 6:55 pm**

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In a thread with a lot of substantive, thoughtful posts, I just want to underscore this one as the least interesting or helpful.

I watched the game. Our defensive rebounding is dog doo doo. Love too often makes a good look into a difficult shot. Our defense played well in the final 5 minutes of regulation and then fell apart in OT. This team isn’t as bad as some are saying, but their ceiling is much lower than we thought heading into the season.

Posted: **Fri Nov 29, 2024 7:08 pm**

Beachcat97 wrote: Fri Nov 29, 2024 6:55 pm
PHXCATS wrote: Fri Nov 29, 2024 3:32 pm R

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In a thread with a lot of substantive, thoughtful posts, I just want to underscore this one as the least interesting or helpful.

I watched the game. Our defensive rebounding is dog doo doo. Love too often makes a good look into a difficult shot. Our defense played well in the final 5 minutes of regulation and then fell apart in OT. This team isn’t as bad as some are saying, but their ceiling is much lower than we thought heading into the season.

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