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by zonagrad
Thu Jun 24, 2021 2:50 pm
Forum: Football Arch Rivals
Topic: Fuck asu
Replies: 1233
Views: 149664

Re: Fuck asu

I forgot who said it, but POC need to work twice as hard and be twice as clean as white workers. No doubt Herm knows that. Saying that, Sumlin was fired for being an absolute terrible coach. He was just like RichRod, a fired head coach who found out it was a lot easier to not try hard and get paid ...
by zonagrad
Wed Jun 23, 2021 9:06 pm
Forum: Arizona Basketball
Topic: Let's Talk '22
Replies: 967
Views: 83034

Re: Let's Talk '22

Somebody on here knew why Nancy left but would never spill the beans. I know what Nancy did and I promised I would not say anything. What she did was out of character and it was to a former UofA player. That is all I can say. It's fairly common knowledge by now -- and it was several years ago.
by zonagrad
Thu May 06, 2021 1:07 pm
Forum: Arizona Basketball
Topic: let's talk '21
Replies: 1545
Views: 104762

Re: let's talk '21

Guys I already said if we land a PG through the portal it’ll be a guy that’s currently not in said portal. So we're basically going to poach a guy still on roster. Guess we shouldn't complain when someone tampers with one of ours. I’m not saying that’s for sure going to happen, but it’s known on th...
by zonagrad
Wed May 05, 2021 12:34 pm
Forum: Arizona Basketball
Topic: let's talk '21
Replies: 1545
Views: 104762

Re: let's talk '21

RondaeShimmy wrote: Wed May 05, 2021 11:44 am Can we all admit that Miller's gold practice jersey didn't mean anything.

Brown won a bunch of them, totally useless.

Brown is like Jeter, if he's a main contributor on your team, you're in trouble.
THIS^^^^^^^
by zonagrad
Wed May 05, 2021 10:49 am
Forum: Arizona Basketball
Topic: Tommy Lloyd
Replies: 3486
Views: 557164

Re: Tommy Lloyd

Using the word detritus in your opening paragraph is pretty harsh language. I'm fairly certain Dodd didn't do so more research that would've told him Miller had a tourney team in '21 and had a roster locked and loaded for a top 20 preseason ranking. Hardly detritus. But don't let the facts get in th...
by zonagrad
Wed May 05, 2021 10:45 am
Forum: Arizona Basketball
Topic: Let's Talk '22
Replies: 967
Views: 83034

Re: Let's Talk '22

We were a top 20 team for 21-22 before Sean Miller was fired. I'm not sure we'll be back at that level until '23-'24 at the earliest. I'm not sure what we've accomplished other than to placate some bloodthirsty members of the media. The fanbase that wanted Miller gone are going to be pretty quiet ne...
by zonagrad
Wed May 05, 2021 10:38 am
Forum: Arizona Basketball
Topic: let's talk '21
Replies: 1545
Views: 104762

Re: let's talk '21

Land Kaluma and you won’t give two shits about Jordan Brown. Agree. Guys like Brown are a dime a dozen in college basketball. You certainly don't want him to be the focus of your roster -- he could be a good role player. And that's exactly what Miller figured out in a short amount of time as the se...
by zonagrad
Tue May 04, 2021 9:36 pm
Forum: Arizona Basketball
Topic: let's talk '21
Replies: 1545
Views: 104762

Re: let's talk '21

Given Miller and his liking of metrics, you have to ask then why he had the fewest? Has to be the defensive liability and the one dimensionality on offense He was actually second lowest in that group. Tubelis had 26 mpg, Brown 19 and Koloko 17. I disagree with defensive liability. His defensive win...
by zonagrad
Tue May 04, 2021 2:55 pm
Forum: Arizona Basketball
Topic: let's talk '21
Replies: 1545
Views: 104762

Re: let's talk '21

Land Kaluma and you won’t give two shits about Jordan Brown. Agree. Guys like Brown are a dime a dozen in college basketball. You certainly don't want him to be the focus of your roster -- he could be a good role player. And that's exactly what Miller figured out in a short amount of time as the se...
by zonagrad
Mon May 03, 2021 9:09 pm
Forum: Arizona Basketball
Topic: let's talk '21
Replies: 1545
Views: 104762

Re: let's talk '21

Land Kaluma and you won’t give two shits about Jordan Brown. Agree. Guys like Brown are a dime a dozen in college basketball. You certainly don't want him to be the focus of your roster -- he could be a good role player. And that's exactly what Miller figured out in a short amount of time as the se...
by zonagrad
Sat May 01, 2021 9:53 pm
Forum: Arizona Basketball
Topic: let's talk '21
Replies: 1545
Views: 104762

Re: let's talk '21

Adam Miller to LSU... UK still in the hunt for a couple of other transfer PGs Lol...these programs that've emerged from the scandal not only unpunished but with contract extensions for their coaches...not sure whether to laugh or cry. Miller's going to end up being the scapegoat for all of this. He...
by zonagrad
Thu Apr 29, 2021 12:55 pm
Forum: Arizona Basketball
Topic: Tommy Lloyd
Replies: 3486
Views: 557164

Re: Tommy Lloyd

I suppose we could compare Nico's freshman year to other big-minute AZ PGs in their first year. Nico - 14ppg, 5.3apg, 2.5rpg, 39%FG, 79%FT Bibby - 13.5, 5.2, 3.2, 44%, 70% Gardner - 12.6, 4.8, 3.7, 37%, 72% Shakur - 9.4, 4.5, 3.6, 51%, 80% Bayless - 19.7, 4.0, 2.7, 45%, 83% McConnell (junior transf...
by zonagrad
Wed Apr 28, 2021 2:36 pm
Forum: Arizona Basketball
Topic: Tommy Lloyd
Replies: 3486
Views: 557164

Re: Tommy Lloyd

Nico is so interesting to me. I don't know whether his evaluations were off or if he was just immature, but he ended up bringing much less in his one year at AZ than many expected. Would he have done bigger things in a possible sophomore season? Probably, but who knows? Kerr has given him a chance ...
by zonagrad
Tue Apr 27, 2021 1:28 pm
Forum: Arizona Basketball
Topic: The 2021-2022 Season Thread
Replies: 5248
Views: 288010

Re: The 2021-2022 Season Thread

KaibabKat wrote: Tue Apr 27, 2021 12:47 pm Duckie V's problem with Arizona started before Miller and before Olson. It dates to when he was coach at Detroit and Fred Snowden took the Wildcats back there to play them. Lots of bad blood ever since.
Tell me more.
by zonagrad
Tue Apr 27, 2021 10:50 am
Forum: Arizona Basketball
Topic: The 2021-2022 Season Thread
Replies: 5248
Views: 288010

Re: The 2021-2022 Season Thread

Is vitale going to keep saying AZ is dirty if Tommy pulls in all these guys? Why would he start being reasonable now? As far as ESPN goes generally, I'd guess they saw how they got away with broadsiding a program without factual basis, and they'll do it again. Not necessarily to Arizona, but Arizon...
by zonagrad
Tue Apr 27, 2021 10:46 am
Forum: Arizona Basketball
Topic: The 2021-2022 Season Thread
Replies: 5248
Views: 288010

Re: The 2021-2022 Season Thread

Is vitale going to keep saying AZ is dirty if Tommy pulls in all these guys? Vitale allegedly had a one-sided vendetta against Miller. As others have pointed out over the years, once Miller arrived at Arizona and started encroaching on recruiting territory once dominated by Duke, Kansas, Carolina a...
by zonagrad
Mon Apr 26, 2021 12:46 pm
Forum: Arizona Basketball
Topic: Tommy Lloyd
Replies: 3486
Views: 557164

Re: Tommy Lloyd

All it took for our expectations to go up was a coaching change. Our expectations for this team under Miller next year were to compete for a conference championship and to achieve a top 4 seed. No one is demanding Tommy do better than that. Some people expect very little drop off since he is suppos...
by zonagrad
Fri Apr 23, 2021 2:03 pm
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: President Bobby Robbins
Replies: 159
Views: 14016

Re: President Bobby Robbins

It's like an expert witness called to evaluate an economic loss and then proceeds to inject his views on the punitive side of a case. It simply is unprofessional. No offense, but . . . {insert offensive comment here}. Unprofessional? Some of your comments in this thread invalidate much of what you ...
by zonagrad
Fri Apr 23, 2021 1:56 pm
Forum: Arizona Basketball
Topic: The 2021-2022 Season Thread
Replies: 5248
Views: 288010

Re: The 2021-2022 Season Thread

Was there problems between Akinjo and Dalen? Akinjo repeatedly accused him of having two first names. When Jemarl Baker was here, that deflected some of the pressure from Dalen, but with Baker gone, it all fell on Terry's shoulders. Ultimately, Akinjo transferred because he couldn't stomach an adul...
by zonagrad
Fri Apr 23, 2021 11:29 am
Forum: Arizona Basketball
Topic: The 2021-2022 Season Thread
Replies: 5248
Views: 288010

Re: The 2021-2022 Season Thread

I’m not shocked there is tampering going on with our current roster. Let’s face it, with the attention the Miller firing got plus the circus perpetrated by dumb and dumber there was Arizona basketball blood in the water attracting all types of “sharks”. This is the shit the NCAA should investigate....
by zonagrad
Fri Apr 23, 2021 9:04 am
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: President Bobby Robbins
Replies: 159
Views: 14016

Re: President Bobby Robbins

It's like an expert witness called to evaluate an economic loss and then proceeds to inject his views on the punitive side of a case. It simply is unprofessional. No offense, but . . . {insert offensive comment here}. Unprofessional? Some of your comments in this thread invalidate much of what you ...
by zonagrad
Fri Apr 23, 2021 6:59 am
Forum: Arizona Basketball
Topic: The 2021-2022 Season Thread
Replies: 5248
Views: 288010

Re: The 2021-2022 Season Thread

I’m not shocked there is tampering going on with our current roster. Let’s face it, with the attention the Miller firing got plus the circus perpetrated by dumb and dumber there was Arizona basketball blood in the water attracting all types of “sharks”. This is the shit the NCAA should investigate....
by zonagrad
Fri Apr 23, 2021 6:52 am
Forum: Arizona Basketball
Topic: Tommy Lloyd
Replies: 3486
Views: 557164

Re: Tommy Lloyd

Interesting dynamic at work. We're celebrating assistants and kids staying with the team after a head coaching change. This usually happens after a coach leaves for a bigger/better job, not getting fired. Makes you wonder just how raw a deal Miller got. An honest question that occurred to me last n...
by zonagrad
Fri Apr 23, 2021 6:51 am
Forum: Arizona Basketball
Topic: Tommy Lloyd
Replies: 3486
Views: 557164

Re: Tommy Lloyd

Interesting dynamic at work. We're celebrating assistants and kids staying with the team after a head coaching change. This usually happens after a coach leaves for a bigger/better job, not getting fired. Makes you wonder just how raw a deal Miller got. An honest question that occurred to me last n...
by zonagrad
Thu Apr 22, 2021 1:06 pm
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: President Bobby Robbins
Replies: 159
Views: 14016

Re: President Bobby Robbins

I'm going to answer a private question publicly in case it's helpful for framing Miller's otherwise senseless firing. I'm going to leave some names out. Some of you may remember that the university announced some grave financial issues that instilled deep fear for its ability to continue operating ...
by zonagrad
Thu Apr 22, 2021 12:58 pm
Forum: Arizona Basketball
Topic: Tommy Lloyd
Replies: 3486
Views: 557164

Re: Tommy Lloyd

Miller should've been fired just for having an assistant doing shady shit. Ultimately responsibility falls on him no matter what, and add to that the PGU book stuff and the case gets harder to defend because Miller kept him on. The ESPN stuff just gave Arizona some martyrdom by focusing on a horren...
by zonagrad
Thu Apr 22, 2021 12:41 pm
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: President Bobby Robbins
Replies: 159
Views: 14016

Re: President Bobby Robbins

I'm going to answer a private question publicly in case it's helpful for framing Miller's otherwise senseless firing. I'm going to leave some names out. Some of you may remember that the university announced some grave financial issues that instilled deep fear for its ability to continue operating ...
by zonagrad
Thu Apr 22, 2021 12:16 pm
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: President Bobby Robbins
Replies: 159
Views: 14016

Re: President Bobby Robbins

He isn't a growing tyrant. He's a last-gasp administrator who's overplayed his hand too many times. He's been caught too many times. One of the good things for him about firing Miller is that it appeased the faculty, who are putting a ton of pressure on him. Presidents in this era don't last long, ...
by zonagrad
Thu Apr 22, 2021 10:57 am
Forum: Arizona Basketball
Topic: Tommy Lloyd
Replies: 3486
Views: 557164

Re: Tommy Lloyd

Right or wrong... Miller was a big part of the weight. I think it's wrong. Look at Kansas. Self is implicated in way worse, they had a disappointing year and got nuked by SC in the tourney. Self got a lifetime contract, no weight. I mean, name an FBI program that had the type of drama we did? Wade ...
by zonagrad
Thu Apr 22, 2021 8:10 am
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: President Bobby Robbins
Replies: 159
Views: 14016

Re: President Bobby Robbins

Of all the people directly named for violations in the NCAA Notice of Allegations, only one is still employed by the University of Arizona. That person is President Robbins.
by zonagrad
Wed Apr 21, 2021 4:12 pm
Forum: Arizona Basketball
Topic: The 2021-2022 Season Thread
Replies: 5248
Views: 288010

Re: The 2021-2022 Season Thread

Kerr and Jet staying is great news. CTL appears to want to build on Miller’s legacy instead of replace it. Best scenario to heal our wounds and get everyone excited about Arizona basketball again. Which is the way it’s supposed to be. Which tells me Robbins' decision to fire Miller had nothing -- N...
by zonagrad
Wed Apr 21, 2021 3:07 pm
Forum: Arizona Basketball
Topic: Tommy Lloyd
Replies: 3486
Views: 557164

Re: Tommy Lloyd

And yet Lute never cursed. You can command respect and authority without swearing. Lute could command respect and authority because 1) he was literally Lute Olson, and 2) people don't swear to command respect and authority. Adia Barnes didn't swear at the end of UCONN to command respect and authori...
by zonagrad
Wed Apr 21, 2021 11:32 am
Forum: Arizona Basketball
Topic: Tommy Lloyd
Replies: 3486
Views: 557164

Re: Tommy Lloyd

And yet Lute never cursed. You can command respect and authority without swearing.
by zonagrad
Tue Apr 20, 2021 8:05 pm
Forum: Arizona Basketball
Topic: The 2021-2022 Season Thread
Replies: 5248
Views: 288010

Re: The 2021-2022 Season Thread

Need a point guard like we need oxygen to breathe.
by zonagrad
Tue Apr 20, 2021 8:03 pm
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: President Bobby Robbins
Replies: 159
Views: 14016

Re: President Bobby Robbins

I just told some poor pre-business freshman girl making alumni cold calls that I would not be donating to the university and in particular some student services specifically because of Robbins That was incredibly painful. Fuck this guy Yep. I took one of those calls (which I get maybe twice a year)...
by zonagrad
Fri Apr 16, 2021 7:45 am
Forum: Arizona Basketball
Topic: Tommy Lloyd
Replies: 3486
Views: 557164

Re: Tommy Lloyd

I will say since Dec. 12th as a long time fan craving change for the past few years, I have been HIGHLY ENTERTAINED by UA athletics. At times on VOX media, AZ has been the most trending and read about program in all of college sports. I can't wait for both football and basketball this fall. Let's f...
by zonagrad
Thu Apr 15, 2021 9:18 pm
Forum: Arizona Basketball
Topic: Tommy Lloyd
Replies: 3486
Views: 557164

Re: Tommy Lloyd

When was that? I thought Miller always had at least one non-white assistant, and has had two at multiple points. I mean, Book getting federally indicted did hurt our diversity a bit, but you can't budget for that. Book was the only African American assistant for several years. Did anyone have less ...
by zonagrad
Thu Apr 15, 2021 4:44 pm
Forum: Arizona Basketball
Topic: Tommy Lloyd
Replies: 3486
Views: 557164

Re: Tommy Lloyd

https://www.forbes.com/sites/chrissmith/2019/03/12/the-most-valuable-college-basketball-teams/?sh=29f7805d3225 Arizona is top ten when it comes to revenue & profit among men's college basketball programs. We should be paying our head coach and assistants top 10 money. Arizona is the only program in ...
by zonagrad
Thu Apr 15, 2021 3:15 pm
Forum: Arizona Basketball
Topic: Tommy Lloyd
Replies: 3486
Views: 557164

Re: Tommy Lloyd

MrBug708 wrote: Thu Apr 15, 2021 2:57 pm Congrats on the hire. Had hoped Heeke was going to pull Alford out of his back pocket, but alas, he's still not Dan Guerrero.
I think we stumbled upon a good hire. They broke the mold with Guerrero.
by zonagrad
Thu Apr 15, 2021 7:50 am
Forum: Arizona Basketball
Topic: Tommy Lloyd
Replies: 3486
Views: 557164

Re: Tommy Lloyd

Based on the realistic and available candidates -- Lloyd was an obvious choice. And I don't believe Robbins or Heeke deserve much credit for the hire. It's not like Ced Dempsey pulling a final four coach out of Iowa during the NCAA tournament to take over a 4-24 program. The fact that Matt Brase & J...
by zonagrad
Thu Apr 15, 2021 7:12 am
Forum: Arizona Basketball
Topic: Tommy Lloyd
Replies: 3486
Views: 557164

Re: Tommy Lloyd

3 things are true for me: 1. I am honestly not excited about this hire. Not at all. 2. Coach Lloyd will have the opportunity to win me over and prove me wrong. 3. I would love #2 to come to fruition Go Cats That’s fair. I do wanna say it’s ok to like both Miller and Lloyd. Winning fixes everything....
by zonagrad
Wed Apr 14, 2021 10:29 pm
Forum: Arizona Basketball
Topic: Dave Heeke
Replies: 355
Views: 28787

Re: Dave Heeke

Tomey quit after the ASSU game. All of the other coaches had been hoovered up by other programs who had been working on hiring coaches for a while. We ended up with Mack because of that late start. Tomey was fired. He didn't quit. It's semantics -- but he was absolutely forced out and given a buyou...
by zonagrad
Wed Apr 14, 2021 10:24 pm
Forum: Arizona Basketball
Topic: Looking forward...
Replies: 108
Views: 4875

Re: Looking forward...

ASUHATER! wrote: Wed Apr 14, 2021 8:16 pm Controversial opinion...I never got the hate for Shakur...
2005. Chicago. Elite 8.
by zonagrad
Wed Apr 14, 2021 10:23 pm
Forum: Arizona Basketball
Topic: Looking forward...
Replies: 108
Views: 4875

Re: Looking forward...

How about everyone admit they don’t know what’s gonna happen, cause you fucking don’t. Yep, that's about where I'm at. I'm still pissed about how everything with Miller went down. And I certainly want Lloyd to succeed. Even if he does well, it's still bullshit to say Robbins made the right move by ...
by zonagrad
Wed Apr 14, 2021 10:08 pm
Forum: Arizona Basketball
Topic: Tommy Lloyd
Replies: 3486
Views: 557164

Re: Tommy Lloyd

So is it likely Few told Lloyd he's going to coach Gonzaga 10 more years so he figured he better strike while the iron is hot? Let's hope Few also said something like "No pressure, Tommy, but if you suck at Arizona, you aren't getting my job when I retire." A little extra pressure won't hurt. If Ll...
by zonagrad
Wed Apr 14, 2021 2:02 pm
Forum: Arizona Basketball
Topic: Thoughts on who would be worth a try as new coach
Replies: 272
Views: 15624

Re: Thoughts on who would be worth a try as new coach

One thing we need to keep in mind is that Miller wasn’t removed so we could get a better coach. He was removed so we could get a different coach. Yep. And I don't think people realize that because so many haters were enamored with the idea of firing Miller. And now they're shocked to find out that ...
by zonagrad
Wed Apr 14, 2021 1:59 pm
Forum: Arizona Basketball
Topic: Tommy Lloyd
Replies: 3486
Views: 557164

Re: Tommy Lloyd

EastCoastCat wrote: Wed Apr 14, 2021 1:31 pm If it's Lloyd I wonder if dumb and dumber pulled off a reverse Costanza...negotiated to pay more money compared to the original offer.
I'm dying -- and that's so true.
by zonagrad
Wed Apr 14, 2021 12:42 pm
Forum: Arizona Basketball
Topic: Tommy Lloyd
Replies: 3486
Views: 557164

Re: Tommy Lloyd

This is my room 101 from Orwell's 1984.
by zonagrad
Wed Apr 14, 2021 11:35 am
Forum: Arizona Basketball
Topic: Tommy Lloyd
Replies: 3486
Views: 557164

Re: Tommy Lloyd

Damon took a poor Pacific team and made them respectable. Not great, but certainly an improvement in the past few years. Damon has earned the right to move on to a better job, but all the way from Stockton to Tucson? If Damon were not an alum, would we even consider him with his record? No. But who...
by zonagrad
Wed Apr 14, 2021 9:05 am
Forum: Arizona Basketball
Topic: Thoughts on who would be worth a try as new coach
Replies: 272
Views: 15624

Re: Thoughts on who would be worth a try as new coach

I'm of the opinion that the type of recruits brought in by Book led to the spiraling down of the program -- and that's easy to say now in hindsight. But Kobi Simmons was brought in as a 1-year guy. His family made it clear he was only going to play one season. Rawle Alkins had no interest in staying...