The 2019-2020 Season Thread

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Mon Jan 27, 2020 2:04 pm

Statfreak77 wrote:
PHXCATS wrote:
Statfreak77 wrote:
PHXCATS wrote:U of A is #10 in NET. Last year #10 in Net was Texas Tech, 3 seed.

U of A is #12 in Ken Pom. Last year #12 in Ken Pom was Houston, 3 seed.
Long time lurker around here, but I felt I had to respond to this post...

Houston in 2019: 6-4 in Q1 games, 4 wins on the road.
Texas Tech in 2019: 12-6 in Q1 games, 5 wins on the road.

Arizona in 2020: 1-4 in Q1 games, 0 wins on the road.

Holy shit, what a stupid comparison.
Holy shit, there are still at least 13 games left before the NCAA tournament
With a whole whopping 4 Q1 games remaining...3 on the road. Which, you know, Arizona has been terrific on the road so far this season and has shown promising signs of getting better.

Not sure you can reason with PHX, Stat, but kudos for trying.

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Mon Jan 27, 2020 2:06 pm

Statfreak didn’t come to fuck around.

Please post more often.

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Mon Jan 27, 2020 2:07 pm

Beachcat97 wrote:
PHXCATS wrote:
Statfreak77 wrote:
PHXCATS wrote:U of A is #10 in NET. Last year #10 in Net was Texas Tech, 3 seed.

U of A is #12 in Ken Pom. Last year #12 in Ken Pom was Houston, 3 seed.
Long time lurker around here, but I felt I had to respond to this post...

Houston in 2019: 6-4 in Q1 games, 4 wins on the road.
Texas Tech in 2019: 12-6 in Q1 games, 5 wins on the road.

Arizona in 2020: 1-4 in Q1 games, 0 wins on the road.

Holy shit, what a stupid comparison.
Holy shit, there are still at least 13 games left before the NCAA tournament
PHX, I can't tell if you're the most optimistic on the board, or the most contrarian. Maybe both?

I would say most realistic and least emotional

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Mon Jan 27, 2020 2:09 pm

Beachcat97 wrote:
Statfreak77 wrote:
PHXCATS wrote:
Statfreak77 wrote:
PHXCATS wrote:U of A is #10 in NET. Last year #10 in Net was Texas Tech, 3 seed.

U of A is #12 in Ken Pom. Last year #12 in Ken Pom was Houston, 3 seed.
Long time lurker around here, but I felt I had to respond to this post...

Houston in 2019: 6-4 in Q1 games, 4 wins on the road.
Texas Tech in 2019: 12-6 in Q1 games, 5 wins on the road.

Arizona in 2020: 1-4 in Q1 games, 0 wins on the road.

Holy shit, what a stupid comparison.
Holy shit, there are still at least 13 games left before the NCAA tournament
With a whole whopping 4 Q1 games remaining...3 on the road. Which, you know, Arizona has been terrific on the road so far this season and has shown promising signs of getting better.
Not sure you can reason with PHX, Stat, but kudos for trying.

I only deal with reason, not emotion

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Mon Jan 27, 2020 2:26 pm

Statfreak77 wrote:
PHXCATS wrote:
Statfreak77 wrote:
PHXCATS wrote:U of A is #10 in NET. Last year #10 in Net was Texas Tech, 3 seed.

U of A is #12 in Ken Pom. Last year #12 in Ken Pom was Houston, 3 seed.
Long time lurker around here, but I felt I had to respond to this post...

Houston in 2019: 6-4 in Q1 games, 4 wins on the road.
Texas Tech in 2019: 12-6 in Q1 games, 5 wins on the road.

Arizona in 2020: 1-4 in Q1 games, 0 wins on the road.

Holy shit, what a stupid comparison.
Holy shit, there are still at least 13 games left before the NCAA tournament
With a whole whopping 4 Q1 games remaining...3 on the road. Which, you know, Arizona has been terrific on the road so far this season and has shown promising signs of getting better.

At #1 now Baylor-5 point loss
At #11 Oregon 1 point loss in OT when a bunch of shit happened
At Oregon State-shit show loss no excuse
At asu, 1 point loss when even more shit happened than Oregon

Yeah using logic and not being emotional tells me U of A can easily win all the remaining away games

Alieberman · Post by **Alieberman** » Mon Jan 27, 2020 2:43 pm

Just because we have not won a single road game does not mean we shouldn’t feel really fucking good about winning every road game in the future

It’s logic guys... don’t you idiots get it?

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Mon Jan 27, 2020 2:52 pm

Alieberman wrote:Just because we have not won a single road game does not mean we shouldn’t feel really fucking good about winning every road game in the future

It’s logic guys... don’t you idiots get it?

The WA schools are a combined 18-5 at home too.

Machina needs to find a bookie who will take his bet.

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Mon Jan 27, 2020 2:56 pm

Merkin wrote:
Alieberman wrote:Just because we have not won a single road game does not mean we shouldn’t feel really fucking good about winning every road game in the future

It’s logic guys... don’t you idiots get it?
The WA schools are a combined 18-5 at home too.

Machina needs to find a bookie who will take his bet.

What action do you want Merk? I called my shot. U of A will win both games this coming weekend. Forget spreads, straight up.

If U of A wins both games you cannot post for a week. If U of A loses both or either game this weekend I dont post for a week. Deal? Or do you want an avatar bet? Charity of winner's choice?

Statfreak77 · Post by **Statfreak77** » Mon Jan 27, 2020 3:04 pm

PHXCATS wrote: At #1 now Baylor-5 point loss
At #11 Oregon 1 point loss in OT when a bunch of shit happened
At Oregon State-shit show loss no excuse
At asu, 1 point loss when even more shit happened than Oregon

Yeah using logic and not being emotional tells me U of A can easily win all the remaining away games

Sean Miller doesn't like moral victories, and neither should you.

Newsflash - these are STILL losses. They don't mean shit. How ridiculous and blinded has this fan base gotten to where we are cool with moral losses?

Statfreak77 · Post by **Statfreak77** » Mon Jan 27, 2020 3:04 pm

Arizona is only 1 of 4 teams in the NET Top 100 to not have a road victory this season so far.

Can you name the other 3?

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Mon Jan 27, 2020 3:08 pm

Statfreak77 wrote:
PHXCATS wrote: At #1 now Baylor-5 point loss
At #11 Oregon 1 point loss in OT when a bunch of shit happened
At Oregon State-shit show loss no excuse
At asu, 1 point loss when even more shit happened than Oregon

Yeah using logic and not being emotional tells me U of A can easily win all the remaining away games
Sean Miller doesn't like moral victories, and neither should you.

Newsflash - these are STILL losses. They don't mean shit. How ridiculous and blinded has this fan base gotten to where we are cool with moral losses?

Who the fuck is giving moral victories?

I am giving facts. And the fact is, that U of A is still really good.

I never once said I was okay with losses, but I am using reason to see that U of A is not a bad team. They werent blown out except in the 2nd half vs Oregon State

Statfreak77 · Post by **Statfreak77** » Mon Jan 27, 2020 3:12 pm

PHXCATS wrote: Who the fuck is giving moral victories?

I am giving facts. And the fact is, that U of A is still really good.

I never once said I was okay with losses, but I am using reason to see that U of A is not a bad team. They werent blown out except in the 2nd half vs Oregon State

They literally have two quality wins on their resume. Two.

Two bad losses, and another where they were completely outclassed (Gonzaga) where the final score is no where near indicative of the game.

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Mon Jan 27, 2020 3:13 pm

Statfreak77 wrote:
PHXCATS wrote: Who the fuck is giving moral victories?

I am giving facts. And the fact is, that U of A is still really good.

I never once said I was okay with losses, but I am using reason to see that U of A is not a bad team. They werent blown out except in the 2nd half vs Oregon State
They literally have two quality wins on their resume. Two.

Two bad losses, and another where they were completely outclassed (Gonzaga) where the final score is no where near indicative of the game.

Okay so you should get rich by betting against the Cats the rest of the season. Put your month where your fingers are.

Alieberman · Post by **Alieberman** » Mon Jan 27, 2020 3:16 pm

Why is gambling such an issue with you?

Please get help.... sincerely

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Mon Jan 27, 2020 3:27 pm

Alieberman wrote:Why is gambling such an issue with you?

Please get help.... sincerely

I love how much you project. You literally have no idea how much I bet. All I know is a lot of people like to talk shit but never back it up

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Mon Jan 27, 2020 3:38 pm

And...this thread is off the rails.

Bear down!

dmjcat · Post by **dmjcat** » Mon Jan 27, 2020 3:48 pm

PHXCATS wrote:U of A is #10 in NET. Last year #10 in Net was Texas Tech, 3 seed.

U of A is #12 in Ken Pom. Last year #12 in Ken Pom was Houston, 3 seed.

Thats nice..........if the season ended today. The field isn't selected until 3/15.

If the season plays out as I have suggested (3 more road losses and 1 home loss) we won't be anywhere near the top 10 by 3/15........and we will have a very bad Quad 1 record.

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Statfreak77 · Post by **Statfreak77** » Mon Jan 27, 2020 3:53 pm

This guy predicts Arizona to win out, finish 25-6, and finish 15-3 in the conference.

http://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2 ... am=Arizona" target="_blank

God bless analytics, baby.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Mon Jan 27, 2020 4:03 pm

Statfreak77 wrote:This guy predicts Arizona to win out, finish 25-6, and finish 15-3 in the conference.

http://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2 ... am=Arizona" target="_blank

God bless analytics, baby.

So sweep all 3 remaining road trips?

PieceOfMeat · Post by **PieceOfMeat** » Mon Jan 27, 2020 6:21 pm

PHXCATS wrote:
I only deal with reason, not emotion

Oh, really?

Do tell, then, what was the reason you slandered our coach with an un-tellable story for years before finally outing yourself by telling your ridiculous lie and getting caught in it?

People like to argue with phoechina whilst forgetting he's just as bad as greg hansen

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Mon Jan 27, 2020 6:47 pm

PieceOfMeat wrote:
PHXCATS wrote:
I only deal with reason, not emotion
Oh, really?

Do tell, then, what was the reason you slandered our coach with an un-tellable story for years before finally outing yourself by telling your ridiculous lie and getting caught in it?

People like to argue with phoechina whilst forgetting he's just as bad as greg hansen

What lie? Miller blamed the alumni association and fans for taking too much of the players time and that caused the Cats to lose. Too bad he cant use that excuse for the last four losses at assu.

All of you are far too emotional about things. The Cats are good. Too bad most of you cant see that

AZCatGirl · Post by **AZCatGirl** » Mon Jan 27, 2020 7:32 pm

PHXCATS wrote:All of you are far too emotional about things. The Cats are good. Too bad most of you cant see that

And when we lose in the first weekend of the tournament yet again, will you finally admit we suck? Or will it be yet another round of "close losses are still good/it was just one bad game"?

IndianaZonaFan · Post by **IndianaZonaFan** » Mon Jan 27, 2020 7:39 pm

AZCatGirl wrote:
PHXCATS wrote:All of you are far too emotional about things. The Cats are good. Too bad most of you cant see that
And when we lose in the first weekend of the tournament yet again, will you finally admit we suck? Or will it be yet another round of "close losses are still good/it was just one bad game"?

When we don’t, keep that same energy.

catgrad97 · Post by **catgrad97** » Mon Jan 27, 2020 8:04 pm

Statfreak77 wrote:
PHXCATS wrote: At #1 now Baylor-5 point loss
At #11 Oregon 1 point loss in OT when a bunch of shit happened
At Oregon State-shit show loss no excuse
At asu, 1 point loss when even more shit happened than Oregon

Yeah using logic and not being emotional tells me U of A can easily win all the remaining away games
Sean Miller doesn't like moral victories, and neither should you.

Newsflash - these are STILL losses. They don't mean shit. How ridiculous and blinded has this fan base gotten to where we are cool with moral losses?

That man does NOT represent the Wildcat fanbase.

In rational factland, Arizona's only even technical shot left at a Top 4 NCAA seed is winning out through the P12 tourney title.

And, as you allude to, Stat, if the Cats drop even one more of those non-Q1 road games, kiss that Hail Mary goodbye.

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Mon Jan 27, 2020 10:58 pm

catgrad97 wrote:
Statfreak77 wrote:
PHXCATS wrote: At #1 now Baylor-5 point loss
At #11 Oregon 1 point loss in OT when a bunch of shit happened
At Oregon State-shit show loss no excuse
At asu, 1 point loss when even more shit happened than Oregon

Yeah using logic and not being emotional tells me U of A can easily win all the remaining away games
Sean Miller doesn't like moral victories, and neither should you.

Newsflash - these are STILL losses. They don't mean shit. How ridiculous and blinded has this fan base gotten to where we are cool with moral losses?
That man does NOT represent the Wildcat fanbase.

In rational factland, Arizona's only even technical shot left at a Top 4 NCAA seed is winning out through the P12 tourney title.

And, as you allude to, Stat, if the Cats drop even one more of those non-Q1 road games, kiss that Hail Mary goodbye.

This is so stupid. UA does not need to run the table to be a four or better in the NCAA.

And you are right I dont represent the UA fan base. I am not acting emotionally, I am not fair weather and I know the sports and I don't bitch about everything. So yeah I don't represent you or the majority of fans

AZCatGirl · Post by **AZCatGirl** » Mon Jan 27, 2020 11:40 pm

You're right about one thing, this is stupid.

pc in NM · Post by **pc in NM** » Tue Jan 28, 2020 7:54 am

So, here's a suggestion: BEAR DOWN!!!!!

I'll just remind folks how low we all felt in February of 2005 after the 'Cats had a totally embarrassing home loss to Wazzu....

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Tue Jan 28, 2020 8:05 am

pc in NM wrote:So, here's a suggestion: BEAR DOWN!!!!!

I'll just remind folks how low we all felt in February of 2005 after the 'Cats had a totally embarrassing home loss to Wazzu....

I really truly hate comparing the past Arizona teams from a different generation with an entirely different head coach and different players with different mentalities to this current generation with its current head coach and its current batch of players with entirely different mentalities. That 2005 team was led by 3 upperclassmen. This 2020 team is led by 3 true freshmen. There's really nothing similar about the 2005 Arizona team and the 2020 Arizona team except the name on the front of the jersey.

pc in NM · Post by **pc in NM** » Tue Jan 28, 2020 8:15 am

ChooChooCat wrote:
pc in NM wrote:So, here's a suggestion: BEAR DOWN!!!!!

I'll just remind folks how low we all felt in February of 2005 after the 'Cats had a totally embarrassing home loss to Wazzu....
I really truly hate comparing the past Arizona teams from a different generation with an entirely different head coach and different players with different mentalities to this current generation with its current head coach and its current batch of players with entirely different mentalities. That 2005 team was led by 3 upperclassmen. This 2020 team is led by 3 true freshmen. There's really nothing similar about the 2005 Arizona team and the 2020 Arizona team except the name on the front of the jersey.

So, try comparing your emotional state at the time to your emotional state now....

And, if you think about it, the low achieved by that experienced, senior-led team offered more to the pessimist at the time, than that of the more immature, yet pliable current crop....

Not to mention the team led by a frosh PG that bombed out in the final weekend of the '96-'97 season...

BTW, notice my signature below!

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Tue Jan 28, 2020 8:35 am

pc in NM wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:
pc in NM wrote:So, here's a suggestion: BEAR DOWN!!!!!

I'll just remind folks how low we all felt in February of 2005 after the 'Cats had a totally embarrassing home loss to Wazzu....
I really truly hate comparing the past Arizona teams from a different generation with an entirely different head coach and different players with different mentalities to this current generation with its current head coach and its current batch of players with entirely different mentalities. That 2005 team was led by 3 upperclassmen. This 2020 team is led by 3 true freshmen. There's really nothing similar about the 2005 Arizona team and the 2020 Arizona team except the name on the front of the jersey.
So, try comparing your emotional state at the time to your emotional state now....

And, if you think about it, the low achieved by that experienced, senior-led team offered more to the pessimist at the time, than that of the more immature, yet pliable current crop....

Not to mention the team led by a frosh PG that bombed out in the final weekend of the '96-'97 season...

BTW, notice my signature below!

I had infinitely more faith in both the players and the coach in 2005 than I do in this current group. Also in that Wazzu loss did we blow a 20+ point lead?

And, I do think about it, and no that senior-led team offered more optimism at that time, because we had a guy who could singlehandedly take over any game in Salim. We don't have any thing resembling that on this team.

Can we please stop trying to compare every damn team to the '97 team? That's been hashed out ad nauseum about how the make up of that team was superior, they already had ridiculously good wins at that point and the conference was infinitely better than any year that Sean Miller has been our coach. Also that frosh PG is the best PG in Arizona history. I like Nico, but he's not even in the top 5 of our program history at the moment.

pc in NM · Post by **pc in NM** » Tue Jan 28, 2020 9:39 am

ChooChooCat wrote:
pc in NM wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:
pc in NM wrote:So, here's a suggestion: BEAR DOWN!!!!!

I'll just remind folks how low we all felt in February of 2005 after the 'Cats had a totally embarrassing home loss to Wazzu....
I really truly hate comparing the past Arizona teams from a different generation with an entirely different head coach and different players with different mentalities to this current generation with its current head coach and its current batch of players with entirely different mentalities. That 2005 team was led by 3 upperclassmen. This 2020 team is led by 3 true freshmen. There's really nothing similar about the 2005 Arizona team and the 2020 Arizona team except the name on the front of the jersey.
So, try comparing your emotional state at the time to your emotional state now....

And, if you think about it, the low achieved by that experienced, senior-led team offered more to the pessimist at the time, than that of the more immature, yet pliable current crop....

Not to mention the team led by a frosh PG that bombed out in the final weekend of the '96-'97 season...

BTW, notice my signature below!
I had infinitely more faith in both the players and the coach in 2005 than I do in this current group. Also in that Wazzu loss did we blow a 20+ point lead?

And, I do think about it, and no that senior-led team offered more optimism at that time, because we had a guy who could singlehandedly take over any game in Salim. We don't have any thing resembling that on this team.

Can we please stop trying to compare every damn team to the '97 team? That's been hashed out ad nauseum about how the make up of that team was superior, they already had ridiculously good wins at that point and the conference was infinitely better than any year that Sean Miller has been our coach. Also that frosh PG is the best PG in Arizona history. I like Nico, but he's not even in the top 5 of our program history at the moment.

I’m not comparing the teams...

... I’m comparing fans’ attitutes!

Longhorned · Post by **Longhorned** » Tue Jan 28, 2020 9:48 am

Someday we should all have a little talk about what this is really about.

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Tue Jan 28, 2020 10:17 am

Bear down and beat the Huskies and Cougs this week!

All I really care about.

TatetheGreat · Post by **TatetheGreat** » Tue Jan 28, 2020 3:53 pm

ChooChooCat wrote:
pc in NM wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:
pc in NM wrote:So, here's a suggestion: BEAR DOWN!!!!!

I'll just remind folks how low we all felt in February of 2005 after the 'Cats had a totally embarrassing home loss to Wazzu....
I really truly hate comparing the past Arizona teams from a different generation with an entirely different head coach and different players with different mentalities to this current generation with its current head coach and its current batch of players with entirely different mentalities. That 2005 team was led by 3 upperclassmen. This 2020 team is led by 3 true freshmen. There's really nothing similar about the 2005 Arizona team and the 2020 Arizona team except the name on the front of the jersey.
So, try comparing your emotional state at the time to your emotional state now....

And, if you think about it, the low achieved by that experienced, senior-led team offered more to the pessimist at the time, than that of the more immature, yet pliable current crop....

Not to mention the team led by a frosh PG that bombed out in the final weekend of the '96-'97 season...

BTW, notice my signature below!
I had infinitely more faith in both the players and the coach in 2005 than I do in this current group. Also in that Wazzu loss did we blow a 20+ point lead?

And, I do think about it, and no that senior-led team offered more optimism at that time, because we had a guy who could singlehandedly take over any game in Salim. We don't have any thing resembling that on this team.

Can we please stop trying to compare every damn team to the '97 team? That's been hashed out ad nauseum about how the make up of that team was superior, they already had ridiculously good wins at that point and the conference was infinitely better than any year that Sean Miller has been our coach. Also that frosh PG is the best PG in Arizona history. I like Nico, but he's not even in the top 5 of our program history at the moment.

Nico is below Bayless and McConnell for me. He should come back but I know money talks.

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Tue Jan 28, 2020 4:43 pm

TatetheGreat wrote:Nico is below Bayless and McConnell for me. He should come back but I know money talks.

Bibby
Damon
TJ
Terry
Gardner

Nico's nowhere near cracking the top 5, imo. He'd need a HUGE March.

TatetheGreat · Post by **TatetheGreat** » Tue Jan 28, 2020 4:59 pm

Beachcat97 wrote:
TatetheGreat wrote:Nico is below Bayless and McConnell for me. He should come back but I know money talks.
Bibby
Damon
TJ
Terry
Gardner

Nico's nowhere near cracking the top 5, imo. He'd need a HUGE March.

Don't forget Kerr, Simon, and Arenas. Nico has talent but he's young. He has a lot to work on. I'm not sure rushing to the NBA is the right move when he can do the same work in Tucson and actually see minutes here.

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Tue Jan 28, 2020 5:13 pm

TatetheGreat wrote:
Beachcat97 wrote:
TatetheGreat wrote:Nico is below Bayless and McConnell for me. He should come back but I know money talks.
Bibby
Damon
TJ
Terry
Gardner

Nico's nowhere near cracking the top 5, imo. He'd need a HUGE March.
Don't forget Kerr, Simon, and Arenas. Nico has talent but he's young. He has a lot to work on. I'm not sure rushing to the NBA is the right move when he can do the same work in Tucson and actually see minutes here.

Kerr was before my time; thought he was more of a SG, no? Simon was definitely not a PG, nor was Arenas. If we're just ranking guards, that's one thing. But if we're ranking PGs, I stand by my ranking.

Lando05 · Post by **Lando05** » Tue Jan 28, 2020 5:16 pm

TatetheGreat wrote:
Beachcat97 wrote:
TatetheGreat wrote:Nico is below Bayless and McConnell for me. He should come back but I know money talks.
Bibby
Damon
TJ
Terry
Gardner

Nico's nowhere near cracking the top 5, imo. He'd need a HUGE March.
Don't forget Kerr, Simon, and Arenas. Nico has talent but he's young. He has a lot to work on. I'm not sure rushing to the NBA is the right move when he can do the same work in Tucson and actually see minutes here.

Agreed he should stay and work on his strength and d. But if he stays he could have what happened to Chase go from being a top 10 pick to not. If hes being projected to go top 10 he should go.

TatetheGreat · Post by **TatetheGreat** » Tue Jan 28, 2020 5:21 pm

Lando05 wrote:
TatetheGreat wrote:
Beachcat97 wrote:
TatetheGreat wrote:Nico is below Bayless and McConnell for me. He should come back but I know money talks.
Bibby
Damon
TJ
Terry
Gardner

Nico's nowhere near cracking the top 5, imo. He'd need a HUGE March.
Don't forget Kerr, Simon, and Arenas. Nico has talent but he's young. He has a lot to work on. I'm not sure rushing to the NBA is the right move when he can do the same work in Tucson and actually see minutes here.
Agreed he should stay and work on his strength and d. But if he stays he could have what happened to Chase go from being a top 10 pick to not. If hes being projected to go top 10 he should go.

Yeah, I don't expect him to stay. I just think he will ride the pine unless the team is actively tanking. His defense is bad as Trae Young's and his offensive game is nowhere close.

TatetheGreat · Post by **TatetheGreat** » Tue Jan 28, 2020 5:22 pm

Beachcat97 wrote:
TatetheGreat wrote:
Beachcat97 wrote:
TatetheGreat wrote:Nico is below Bayless and McConnell for me. He should come back but I know money talks.
Bibby
Damon
TJ
Terry
Gardner

Nico's nowhere near cracking the top 5, imo. He'd need a HUGE March.
Don't forget Kerr, Simon, and Arenas. Nico has talent but he's young. He has a lot to work on. I'm not sure rushing to the NBA is the right move when he can do the same work in Tucson and actually see minutes here.
Kerr was before my time; thought he was more of a SG, no? Simon was definitely not a PG, nor was Arenas. If we're just ranking guards, that's one thing. But if we're ranking PGs, I stand by my ranking.

Distinction without a difference imo. Guards/wings/bigs (centers if they can't shoot).

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Tue Jan 28, 2020 5:39 pm

TatetheGreat wrote:Distinction without a difference imo. Guards/wings/bigs (centers if they can't shoot).

I think you're looking at Kerr through the lens of modern hoops. We're in the age of "positionless" basketball. Kerr's era still had positions. It was part of the culture of basketball until fairly recently.

Still, I really couldn't say whether Kerr was more of a PG or SG. I see that he never averaged more than 4 assists per game, which is on the low side for a great PG, but it's also possible Lute's system allowed guards a lot of flexibility to move from a distributor role to a catch-and-shoot role. Not sure.

If we're going to call Kerr a PG, then yes, he's absolutely top 5 in program history.

TatetheGreat · Post by **TatetheGreat** » Tue Jan 28, 2020 5:46 pm

Beachcat97 wrote:
TatetheGreat wrote:Distinction without a difference imo. Guards/wings/bigs (centers if they can't shoot).
I think you're looking at Kerr through the lens of modern hoops. We're in the age of "positionless" basketball. Kerr's era still had positions. It was part of the culture of basketball until fairly recently.

Still, I really couldn't say whether Kerr was more of a PG or SG. I see that he never averaged more than 4 assists per game, which is on the low side for a great PG, but it's also possible Lute's system allowed guards a lot of flexibility to move from a distributor role to a catch-and-shoot role. Not sure.

If we're going to call Kerr a PG, then yes, he's absolutely top 5 in program history.

You're right about that. You see a lot of two and three guard lineups in college and it's not clear who is the primary initiator. I think of singular positions like C as kind of a rim protector and rebounder. A SG as more of a shooter and less of a facilitator. But it's much more positionless these days.

catgrad97 · Post by **catgrad97** » Tue Jan 28, 2020 8:39 pm

Kerr was the starting PG alongside SG Craig McMillan his junior and senior seasons, after the graduation of Brock Brunkhorst and the transfer of Michael Tait.

Every time this topic comes up, Lute's voice rings in my ears from "Memories '88" (with Dana Cooper): "Before that change, if I heard it once, I heard it a thousand times: 'Steve Kerr is NOT a point guard!'"

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Tue Jan 28, 2020 8:39 pm

Fifth best team in the nation per Vegas

http://stats.inpredictable.com/rankings/ncaab.php" target="_blank

TatetheGreat · Post by **TatetheGreat** » Tue Jan 28, 2020 9:03 pm

PHXCATS wrote:Fifth best team in the nation per Vegas

http://stats.inpredictable.com/rankings/ncaab.php" target="_blank

Sixth best odds to win the natty! You gonna bet on it?

https://www.teamrankings.com/ncb/" target="_blank

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Wed Jan 29, 2020 12:41 am

PHXCATS wrote:Fifth best team in the nation per Vegas

http://stats.inpredictable.com/rankings/ncaab.php" target="_blank

They do know we don’t have Ayton, Gordon or McConnell, right?

U.P. Zona Fan · Post by **U.P. Zona Fan** » Wed Jan 29, 2020 5:16 am

Gotta win a couple on the road first.

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Wed Jan 29, 2020 6:24 am

Beachcat97 wrote:
PHXCATS wrote:Fifth best team in the nation per Vegas

http://stats.inpredictable.com/rankings/ncaab.php" target="_blank
They do know we don’t have Ayton, Gordon or McConnell, right?

Vegas is smarter than the sum of all of us on this board combined times ten so yeah I think they know

StickItInTheyFace · Post by **StickItInTheyFace** » Wed Jan 29, 2020 7:37 am

TatetheGreat wrote:
PHXCATS wrote:Fifth best team in the nation per Vegas

http://stats.inpredictable.com/rankings/ncaab.php" target="_blank
Sixth best odds to win the natty! You gonna bet on it?

https://www.teamrankings.com/ncb/" target="_blank

That is crazy that we are so high. With the highs and lows of this team there's no question they could do it, or fall flat on their face. I have irrational confidence in them though lol.

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