Bear Down Wildcats

azgreg wrote: ↑Wed Mar 09, 2022 8:27 am

RaisingArizona wrote: ↑Wed Mar 09, 2022 8:14 am So ifArizona gets pushed off the line then they're the 2 in the west, right?

Not happening. However, let's say we lose tomorrow and the committee listens to Goodman and makes us a 2 seed. If the Zags are the overall 1 seed we would need to be the 4th 2 seed to play in the West.

So then according to Palm if we lose in the Pac 12 tournament we could end up a a two that gets shipped out. That seems overly punitive considering the seed that we have. To be clear I'm not pining to be Gonzaga's 2, I'm just not really seeing how we end up off the one line. Maybe if we lose tomorrow night. Even if we get into the semis I'd think a 1 is baked in

RaisingArizona wrote: ↑Wed Mar 09, 2022 9:49 am

azgreg wrote: ↑Wed Mar 09, 2022 8:27 am

RaisingArizona wrote: ↑Wed Mar 09, 2022 8:14 am So ifArizona gets pushed off the line then they're the 2 in the west, right?

Not happening. However, let's say we lose tomorrow and the committee listens to Goodman and makes us a 2 seed. If the Zags are the overall 1 seed we would need to be the 4th 2 seed to play in the West.

So then according to Palm if we lose in the Pac 12 tournament we could end up a a two that gets shipped out. That seems overly punitive considering the seed that we have. To be clear I'm not pining to be Gonzaga's 2, I'm just not really seeing how we end up off the one line. Maybe if we lose tomorrow night. Even if we get into the semis I'd think a 1 is baked in

We're a 1. A loss tomorrow (which isn't happening anyway) won't change that.

Our region doesn't really matter to me. But getting a #1 seed is a really big deal to me for this reason-

I think all of the 3 seeds are going to be very dangerous and I see a big drop off between the 3 and 4/5 seeds. 4s and 5s are going to be MUCH more likely to get upset this year (IMO) where the 3s are much more likely to make a serious run.

Beachcat97 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 09, 2022 9:47 am You know we're either getting Wisconsin or Illinois in our region. It's happening.

They're both likely out of the #4 seed line now that they're both Big ten champs. So out of our side of the bracket and will be dealt with by the #2 in our bracket.

If we meet up in the e8, not scared of any of those two.

Beachcat97 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 09, 2022 9:47 am You know we're either getting Wisconsin or Illinois in our region. It's happening.

Bring them on!!! We owe each one a postseason beatdown!!!

BTFD!!!!

im pretty fucking excited

97cats wrote: ↑Wed Mar 09, 2022 10:58 am im pretty fucking excited

97cats wrote: ↑Wed Mar 09, 2022 10:58 am im pretty fucking excited

Been trying to remember how it felt heading into the postseason in '14 and '15. I'm sure we were pretty amped in those years too. Maybe even more confident this year, though?

Beachcat97 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 09, 2022 11:11 am

97cats wrote: ↑Wed Mar 09, 2022 10:58 am im pretty fucking excited

Been trying to remember how it felt heading into the postseason in '14 and '15. I'm sure we were pretty amped in those years too. Maybe even more confident this year, though?

im not sure more confident (back then i was already planning my second weekends as well - albeit they were in the west so easier) but i am really excited because its just been so long.

97cats wrote: ↑Wed Mar 09, 2022 11:13 am

Beachcat97 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 09, 2022 11:11 am

97cats wrote: ↑Wed Mar 09, 2022 10:58 am im pretty fucking excited

Been trying to remember how it felt heading into the postseason in '14 and '15. I'm sure we were pretty amped in those years too. Maybe even more confident this year, though?

im not sure more confident (back then i was already planning my second weekends as well - albeit they were in the west so easier) but i am really excited because its just been so long.

Totally. Each tourney game we get to play in is going to be special, and the love for this team runs DEEP.

A reminder for all of you who are waiting to book flights...a lot of airlines dropped their change fees during the pandemic, so if you choose correctly now then you may be better off than waiting until later. IF you are waiting to see the bracket, instead of waiting on us advancing from the first weekend.

prh wrote: ↑Wed Mar 09, 2022 11:30 am A reminder for all of you who are waiting to book flights...a lot of airlines dropped their change fees during the pandemic, so if you choose correctly now then you may be better off than waiting until later. IF you are waiting to see the bracket, instead of waiting on us advancing from the first weekend.

i took care of everything and moved ALL-IN on Chicago (game tix, flights, hotel) if it doesnt work out i will scramble and pivot to the South but if it does ive nailed it right on the screws!

97cats wrote: ↑Wed Mar 09, 2022 11:38 am

prh wrote: ↑Wed Mar 09, 2022 11:30 am A reminder for all of you who are waiting to book flights...a lot of airlines dropped their change fees during the pandemic, so if you choose correctly now then you may be better off than waiting until later. IF you are waiting to see the bracket, instead of waiting on us advancing from the first weekend.

i took care of everything and moved ALL-IN on Chicago (game tix, flights, hotel) if it doesnt work out i will scramble and pivot to the South but if it does ive nailed it right on the screws!

ECC says to this:

if it ends up Chicago i hope the town is ready.... cause there will be a massive uprising from the Big Red Army descending upon downtown

Wonder why?

97-

If we don’t get Chicago and say Duke is sent to Midwest… can you please sell all of your shit to a Dookie fan…. At a ridiculous price? And do this before Tourney starts … before Duke gets upset and never even makes it to Chicago

This would be ideal

Alieberman wrote: ↑Wed Mar 09, 2022 12:30 pm 97-

If we don’t get Chicago and say Duke is sent to Midwest… can you please sell all of your shit to a Dookie fan…. At a ridiculous price? And do this before Tourney starts … before Duke gets upset and never even makes it to Chicago

This would be ideal

yes, i can make that commitment.

and in that event, i will also agree to run some sort of a post/ad on the 247 premium duke site for my seats...just to create some velocity

97cats wrote: ↑Wed Mar 09, 2022 12:39 pm

Alieberman wrote: ↑Wed Mar 09, 2022 12:30 pm 97-

If we don’t get Chicago and say Duke is sent to Midwest… can you please sell all of your shit to a Dookie fan…. At a ridiculous price? And do this before Tourney starts … before Duke gets upset and never even makes it to Chicago

This would be ideal

yes, i can make that commitment.

and in that event, i will also agree to run some sort of a post/ad on the 247 premium duke site for my seats...just to create some velocity

And also make sure you have a "slap the floor" visual in that post/ad. That's the Dookie zombie signal for their mutant following.

And this year, according to Gasaway, it comes down to a mix of blue bloods and a few modern powers. The “Magic Eight” consists of: Arizona, Baylor, Duke, Gonzaga, Houston, Kansas, Kentucky and Jay Wright’s Villanova Wildcats.

Gonzaga is currently No. 1 in the AP Top 25 poll at 26-3. The Bulldogs are led by second-team All-Americans Drew Timme and Chet Holmgren.

Meanwhile, the Arizona Wildcats sit in the two spot at 28-3. They are followed by Baylor (26-5), No. 5 Kentucky (25-6), No. 6 Kansas (25-6), No. 7 Duke (26-5), No. 8 Villanova (23-7) and 18th-ranked Houston (26-5).

https://thespun.com/more/top-stories/es ... nament/amp

If we lose tomorrow which is Friday the NCAA takes injuries (Kerr) into account when making seeding decisions. If we don't win we will get screwed. That will be sad.

We're still a #1 no matter what but we're prime upset potential without big balls kerr

Arizona has been locked into a number one seed for almost a month now just so long as they didnt shit the bed. they are better than that today with a number one seed regardless.

RondaeShimmy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 10, 2022 3:50 pm We're still a #1 no matter what but we're prime upset potential without big balls kerr

Look on the bright side: a 1-seed with no expectations is a 1-seed with no pressure. They could do something magical.

Justin and Pelle will just need to step up. Also, we could see more Twin Towers.
Assume Bal will need to eat up some minutes too.

WE ARE NOT DEAD YET.

TheCat wrote: ↑Thu Mar 10, 2022 3:49 pm If we lose tomorrow which is Friday the NCAA takes injuries (Kerr) into account when making seeding decisions. If we don't win we will get screwed. That will be sad.

You mean like when the committee kept Cincinnati as the overall #1 seed when they lost Kenyon Martin for the tournament. They rewarded Cincinnati for its body of work, just like they will do for AZ.

AZ is guaranteed a #1 seed

Baylor loses, clearing the way for the #1 in the south

Plz be ok Kerr

I think win vs Colorado seals AZ to the South

azgreg wrote: ↑Thu Mar 10, 2022 7:04 pm

Fuck this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

We're already a 1 lol and now we'll be wherever we want besides SF regardless of tomorrow

We're likely to get the south with Baylor as our #2

prh wrote: ↑Thu Mar 10, 2022 7:11 pm We're already a 1 lol and now we'll be wherever we want besides SF regardless of tomorrow

Only the overall #1 seed gets to choose their region.

UAEebs86 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 10, 2022 7:12 pm

prh wrote: ↑Thu Mar 10, 2022 7:11 pm We're already a 1 lol and now we'll be wherever we want besides SF regardless of tomorrow

Only the overall #1 seed and Duke gets to choose their region.

Fixed

UAEebs86 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 10, 2022 7:12 pm

prh wrote: ↑Thu Mar 10, 2022 7:11 pm We're already a 1 lol and now we'll be wherever we want besides SF regardless of tomorrow

Only the overall #1 seed gets to choose their region.

And yet I doubt we end up in the east

azcat49 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 10, 2022 4:40 pm

TheCat wrote: ↑Thu Mar 10, 2022 3:49 pm If we lose tomorrow which is Friday the NCAA takes injuries (Kerr) into account when making seeding decisions. If we don't win we will get screwed. That will be sad.

You mean like when the committee kept Cincinnati as the overall #1 seed when they lost Kenyon Martin for the tournament. They rewarded Cincinnati for its body of work, just like they will do for AZ.

Sorry but you don't know what you are talking about. When Kenyon went out they dropped to a two seed in the south. Interesting thing was Loren Woods was hurt also and we remained a 1 seed because we won without him. To help your memory ""We talked about Cincinnati very early and came back to them a couple times," Craig Thompson, chairman of the selection committee, said of the decision to drop the Bearcats. "But when you lose a potential player of the year, that's going to affect your team."

The only thing that I agree with that you said is " just like they will do for AZ"

Expect us to drop if we don't win.

Arizona locked up a #1 seed when they beat Cal Saturday

Only thing these conference tournaments will factor in for us is in moving up the overall seed line. Right now we passed Baylor and are sitting behind only the Zags.

TheCat wrote: ↑Thu Mar 10, 2022 7:45 pm

azcat49 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 10, 2022 4:40 pm

TheCat wrote: ↑Thu Mar 10, 2022 3:49 pm If we lose tomorrow which is Friday the NCAA takes injuries (Kerr) into account when making seeding decisions. If we don't win we will get screwed. That will be sad.

You mean like when the committee kept Cincinnati as the overall #1 seed when they lost Kenyon Martin for the tournament. They rewarded Cincinnati for its body of work, just like they will do for AZ.

Sorry but you don't know what you are talking about. When Kenyon went out they dropped to a two seed in the south. Interesting thing was Loren Woods was hurt also and we remained a 1 seed because we won without him. To help your memory ""We talked about Cincinnati very early and came back to them a couple times," Craig Thompson, chairman of the selection committee, said of the decision to drop the Bearcats. "But when you lose a potential player of the year, that's going to affect your team."

The only thing that I agree with that you said is " just like they will do for AZ"

Expect us to drop if we don't win.

I stand corrected. That said I think we are locked in as a 1 seed even with a loss. Krissa has an ankle sprain and Martin broke his leg. Huge difference

Fair point and they knew Kenyon was not coming back. We'll all know Sunday or we can remove all doubt by winning Saturday. BTFD.

TheCat wrote: ↑Thu Mar 10, 2022 8:19 pm Fair point and they knew Kenyon was not coming back. We'll all know Sunday or we can remove all doubt by winning Saturday. BTFD.

I think Michigan losing Isaiah Livers last year in the first game of the conference tournament in a win, then losing the next game the next day is more comparable if Kerr is out for the year.

Michigan still kept their #1 seed even without him, who was the second leading scorer before the injury.

Irish27 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 11, 2022 7:04 am https://www.espn.com/espn/feature/story ... -men-field

SOUTH

1. Arizona

8. North Carolina
9. Iowa St

5. Texas
4. Providence

3. Tennessee
2. Duke

Irish27 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 11, 2022 7:06 am https://www.cbssports.com/college-baske ... cketology/

South

1. Arizona

8. Ohio St
9. Creighton

5. Uconn
4. Texas Tech

3. Tennessee
2. Purdue

---

8/9 seeds very scary this year, especially with a potentially injured Kerr. All of these teams plus teams like TCU, Murray St, are capable of knocking out #1s. Even teams like Michigan St and Ohio St have had incredible highs despite playing like crap right now.

2021-22 NCAA DIVISION I MEN’S BASKETBALL CHAMPIONSHIP
PRINCIPLES AND PROCEDURES FOR ESTABLISHING THE BRACKET

Sixteen levels are established (i.e., the seeds, 1 through
16) in the bracket that cross the four regions, permitting
evaluation of four teams simultaneously on the same
level. Teams on each seed line (No. 1, No. 2, No. 3, etc.)
should be as equal as possible.

Each region is divided into quadrants with four levels in
each, permitting the evaluation of four different sections
within each region against the same sections in each of
the other regions.

The committee will assign all four teams in each bracket
group (seeds 1, 16, 8, 9), (4, 13, 5, 12), (2, 15, 7, 10), (3,
14, 6, 11) to the same first-/second-round site. There will
be two ”pods‟ at each first-/second-round site which may
feed into different regional sites.

Each of the first four teams selected from a
conference shall be placed in different regions if they
are seeded on the first four lines.

Teams from the same conference shall not meet prior
to the regional final if they played each other three or
more times during the regular season and conference
tournament.

Teams from the same conference shall not meet prior
to the regional semifinals if they played each other
twice during the regular season and conference
tournament.

Teams from the same conference may play each
other as early as the second round if they played no
more than once during the regular season and
conference tournament.

Any principle can be relaxed if two or more teams
from the same conference are among the last four atlarge seeded teams participating in the First Four.

To recognize the demonstrated quality of such teams,
the committee shall not place teams seeded on the
first four lines at a potential “home-crowd
disadvantage” in the first round.

https://www.ncaa.com/_flysystem/public- ... edures.pdf

What will it take to get Arkansas up to the 3 line? Reach tourney final?

RondaeShimmy wrote: ↑Thu Feb 17, 2022 11:31 am

97cats wrote: ↑Thu Feb 17, 2022 11:04 am

RondaeShimmy wrote: ↑Thu Feb 17, 2022 10:59 amI wouldn't mind Arizona losing in the conf tournament, almost every past eventual champion losses there (early too).

yes maybe perhaps but still no for me

Can I convince you that it's best we lose there in the semifinals or something

2021 Baylor - lost in Semis
2019 Virginia - lost in semis
2018 Villanova - won conf tournament
2017 North Carolina - lost in semis
2016 Villanova - lost in final
2015 Duke - lost in Semis
2014 UConn - lost in final
2013 Louisville - won conf tournament
2012 Kentucky - lost in final
2011 UConn - won conf tournament
2010 Duke - won conf tournament
2009 north Carolina - lost in semis

Usually it's best to lose in conf tournament because it's really hard to win like 12-15+ games in a row if you haven't lost before the tournament. If you go into the tournament winning say 4+ in a row plus 3+ in the conf tournament and then 6 in the NCAA tournament, that's really hard to do. It usually means you're bound for a stinker of a game and if it happens in the tournament, well you're season is over

Right now Arizona has won 6 in a row.

RondaeShimmy wrote: ↑Sat Feb 26, 2022 11:52 am

Beachcat97 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 26, 2022 11:30 am Another thought: if Gonzaga does lose, and win out, is there any chance Tommy pumps the brakes a little in the Pac tourney, maybe resting our guys who've had injuries (Tubelis, Kriisa)? Or is it pedal to the metal from here on out?

Hell yeah we should lose there, pretty much every recent Natty champ has lost in the conference tournament.

Arizona is currently on a 9 game win streak.... The last several national champions win streaks to win the 'chip...

2021 Baylor -- 6 (conference tournament loss)
2019 Virginia -- 6 (conference tournament loss)
2018 Villanova -- 11
2017 North Carolina -- 6 (conference tournament loss)
2016 Villanova -- 6 (conference tournament loss)
2015 Duke -- 6 (conference tournament loss)
2014 UConn -- 6 (conference tournament loss)
2013 Louisville -- 16
2012 Kentucky -- 6 (conference tournament loss)
2011 UConn -- 11 (all tournament wins)
2010 Duke -- 10
2009 North Carolina -- 6 (conference tournament loss)
2008 Kansas -- 13
2007 Florida -- 10
2006 Florida -- 11
2005 North Carolina -- 6 (conference tournament loss)

Really in modern college basketball ('12 is the start of this era imo), championship teams get their loss out of the way in the conference tournament

It isn't worth the extreme energy exhausted there to get something not as important when they're already likely have the 1 seed on lock

Perfect time to lose and rest up

Got the #1 seed already locked up

What's a tough pill is that we really stand to gain nothing by winning tonight and tomorrow. We can't improve our seed, and we can't become the top overall seed. I guess it's good for our confidence to win two more games? More reps for Bal?

Beachcat97 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 11, 2022 3:34 pm What's a tough pill is that we really stand to gain nothing by winning tonight and tomorrow. We can't improve our seed, and we can't become the top overall seed. I guess it's good for our confidence to win two more games? More reps for Bal?

Two more opportunities for a freak injury

Funny players can opt out of Bowl games but teams can’t opt out of conference tournament games. It’s all about the Benjamin’s