Tarczewski

84Cat · Post by **84Cat** » Mon Apr 06, 2015 2:46 pm

Man I hope that's for real! Nothing on Twitter at all.

ASUHATER! · Post by **ASUHATER!** » Mon Apr 06, 2015 2:49 pm

Me too. Still would lik to get another grad transfer big or something though. A team returning tarc, pjc, York, Pitts and Ristic and adding Simon, Smith, Trier, Comanche, Allen, Anderson and possibly another player is still a top 15 team and the Pac 12 favorite.

3goggles · Post by **3goggles** » Mon Apr 06, 2015 2:59 pm

ASUHATER! wrote:Me too. Still would lik to get another grad transfer big or something though. A team returning tarc, pjc, York, Pitts and Ristic and adding Simon, Smith, Trier, Comanche, Allen, Anderson and possibly another player is still a top 15 team and the Pac 12 favorite.

And Stanley!!!!!!!

Longhorned · Post by **Longhorned** » Mon Apr 06, 2015 3:08 pm

Ignore it. It's PGU. And PGU is attacking Scheer again as part of this new round of BS.

dirtbags · Post by **dirtbags** » Mon Apr 06, 2015 4:05 pm

what longhorned said. hopefully, a credible source will confirm.

cpt · Post by **cpt** » Mon Apr 06, 2015 4:08 pm

In the off season, they need to line Tarc up with Rip Torn throwing stuff at him..."if you can catch a wrench, you can catch a ball!"

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Mon Apr 06, 2015 5:40 pm

If Tarc returns, we win the Pac again.

The Butcher · Post by **The Butcher** » Mon Apr 06, 2015 10:01 pm

cpt wrote:In the off season, they need to line Tarc up with Rip Torn throwing stuff at him..."if you can catch a wrench, you can catch a ball!"

Greatest. Idea. Ever.

Olsondogg · Post by **Olsondogg** » Mon Apr 06, 2015 10:02 pm

Beachcat97 wrote:If Tarc returns, we win the Pac again.

If Tarc leaves, we win the PAC again.

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Mon Apr 06, 2015 10:20 pm

Olsondogg wrote:
Beachcat97 wrote:If Tarc returns, we win the Pac again.
If Tarc leaves, we win the PAC again.

Wow. I hope so. But I'm concerned about our frontcourt depth.

Olsondogg · Post by **Olsondogg** » Mon Apr 06, 2015 10:21 pm

Beachcat97 wrote:
Olsondogg wrote:
Beachcat97 wrote:If Tarc returns, we win the Pac again.
If Tarc leaves, we win the PAC again.
Wow. I hope so. But I'm concerned about our frontcourt depth.

The PAC sucked this year, and will suck harder next. Shocking that you are concerned about something.

rgdeuce · Post by **rgdeuce** » Tue Apr 07, 2015 7:58 am

I think if Zeus returns four his fourth year I will finally be able to write out his full last name correctly without having to use google first.

dirtbags · Post by **dirtbags** » Tue Apr 07, 2015 9:36 am

grain of salt (both ways):

HiCat · Post by **HiCat** » Tue Apr 07, 2015 9:38 am

Huh? Now he's not coming back?

rgdeuce · Post by **rgdeuce** » Tue Apr 07, 2015 10:05 am

Wrists will be slit

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Tue Apr 07, 2015 10:13 am

rgdeuce wrote:Wrists will be slit

It's only been said a zillion times that we were going to lose all 5 starters. Zeus leaving would be the expected result. Him staying would be the surprise.

So, my wrists are safe at least.

dmjcat · Post by **dmjcat** » Tue Apr 07, 2015 10:21 am

Olsondogg wrote:
Beachcat97 wrote:If Tarc returns, we win the Pac again.
If Tarc leaves, we win the PAC again.

I agree, but it might not be next year.

Depending on how the other PAC12 teams recruit (Zimmerman to UCLA?/Rabb to Cal?/Poeltl decides to stay at Utah??/UO finds some frontcourt help?) the PAC12 may be up for grabs next year if the UA has to start over with a clean slate. I think Tarc staying would go a long way towards keeping us at the top of the heap.

A1RZONA · Post by **A1RZONA** » Tue Apr 07, 2015 10:33 am

this "source" has zero credibility.

midnightx · Post by **midnightx** » Tue Apr 07, 2015 10:35 am

dmjcat wrote:
Olsondogg wrote:
Beachcat97 wrote:If Tarc returns, we win the Pac again.
If Tarc leaves, we win the PAC again.
I agree, but it might not be next year.

Depending on how the other PAC12 teams recruit (Zimmerman to UCLA?/Rabb to Cal?/Poeltl decides to stay at Utah??/UO finds some frontcourt help?) the PAC12 may be up for grabs next year if the UA has to start over with a clean slate. I think Tarc staying would go a long way towards keeping us at the top of the heap.

Not sure why Zimmerman would be intrigued with UCLA. It is an unstable program with a mediocre coach. Perhaps Zimmerman is leaning towards Kentucky or Kansas? The Rabb situation is a bit more understandable.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Tue Apr 07, 2015 10:36 am

A1RZONA wrote:this "source" has zero credibility.

Jonathon Givony may feel differently.

SCCats · Post by **SCCats** » Tue Apr 07, 2015 10:39 am

Who challenges us in the PAC?

Utah? Wright, Bachinski and Poetl gone = fringe top 25 team at best

UCLA? Powell, Looney gone and Bryce back = another 11-7 Pac season

Oregon with no Joe Young?

Stanford with Dawkins still as their coach?

Cal with their three freshmen? (None of which has actually committed yet)

ASU with no coach and no players?

I understand that our ranking to start the year next year is going to be around 12ish, but is there anyone in the PAC even close to that? Anyone else that's going to be ranked to start the season? It doesn't much look like it.

dmjcat · Post by **dmjcat** » Tue Apr 07, 2015 10:39 am

midnightx wrote:
dmjcat wrote:
Olsondogg wrote:
Beachcat97 wrote:If Tarc returns, we win the Pac again.
If Tarc leaves, we win the PAC again.
I agree, but it might not be next year.

Depending on how the other PAC12 teams recruit (Zimmerman to UCLA?/Rabb to Cal?/Poeltl decides to stay at Utah??/UO finds some frontcourt help?) the PAC12 may be up for grabs next year if the UA has to start over with a clean slate. I think Tarc staying would go a long way towards keeping us at the top of the heap.
Not sure why Zimmerman would be intrigued with UCLA. It is an unstable program with a mediocre coach. Perhaps Zimmerman is leaning towards Kentucky or Kansas? The Rabb situation is a bit more understandable.

Zimmerman has been completely inscrutable..........my guess would be he winds up at UK. If Tarc does leave maybe he might take another look at the UA. In the recent interviews I have seen he claims that he is torn and doesn't have any favorites among his 5 schools.

dmjcat · Post by **dmjcat** » Tue Apr 07, 2015 10:42 am

SCCats wrote:Who challenges us in the PAC?

Utah? Wright, Bachinski and Poetl gone = fringe top 25 team at best

UCLA? Powell, Looney gone and Bryce back = another 11-7 Pac season

Oregon with no Joe Young?

Stanford with Dawkins still as their coach?

Cal with their three freshmen? (None of which has actually committed yet)

ASU with no coach and no players?

I understand that our ranking to start the year next year is going to be around 12ish, but is there anyone in the PAC even close to that? Anyone else that's going to be ranked to start the season? It doesn't much look like it.

If Poeltl returns at Utah (still up in the air) then I think Utah would be favored over a UA team losing their entire starting 5.
Again, this is all up in the air (as I pointed out) until we know who's leaving and who signs with whom.

dirtbags · Post by **dirtbags** » Tue Apr 07, 2015 10:44 am

A1RZONA wrote:this "source" has zero credibility.

agree on both sides of the kaleb go/no-go rumor mill right now. salt, taken!

SCCats · Post by **SCCats** » Tue Apr 07, 2015 10:47 am

dmjcat wrote:
SCCats wrote:Who challenges us in the PAC?

Utah? Wright, Bachinski and Poetl gone = fringe top 25 team at best

UCLA? Powell, Looney gone and Bryce back = another 11-7 Pac season

Oregon with no Joe Young?

Stanford with Dawkins still as their coach?

Cal with their three freshmen? (None of which has actually committed yet)

ASU with no coach and no players?

I understand that our ranking to start the year next year is going to be around 12ish, but is there anyone in the PAC even close to that? Anyone else that's going to be ranked to start the season? It doesn't much look like it.
If Poeltl returns at Utah (still up in the air) then I think Utah might be favored over a UA team losing their entire starting 5.
Again, this is all up in the air (as I pointed out) until we know who's leaving and who signs with whom.

The gang who can't win on the road is going to take us down with Taylor, Loveridge and Poetl?

That's a tail end event.

dmjcat · Post by **dmjcat** » Tue Apr 07, 2015 10:55 am

SCCats wrote:
dmjcat wrote:
SCCats wrote:Who challenges us in the PAC?

Utah? Wright, Bachinski and Poetl gone = fringe top 25 team at best

UCLA? Powell, Looney gone and Bryce back = another 11-7 Pac season

Oregon with no Joe Young?

Stanford with Dawkins still as their coach?

Cal with their three freshmen? (None of which has actually committed yet)

ASU with no coach and no players?

I understand that our ranking to start the year next year is going to be around 12ish, but is there anyone in the PAC even close to that? Anyone else that's going to be ranked to start the season? It doesn't much look like it.
If Poeltl returns at Utah (still up in the air) then I think Utah might be favored over a UA team losing their entire starting 5.
Again, this is all up in the air (as I pointed out) until we know who's leaving and who signs with whom.
The gang who can't win on the road is going to take us down with Taylor, Loveridge and Poetl?

That's a tail end event.

Against this years UA team, yes. Against our 2nd team plus a couple of freshman, No. Utah with 3 starters back (including the best big in the conference) will give Ristic/Anderson + UA frosh a very competitive run for their money.

SCCats · Post by **SCCats** » Tue Apr 07, 2015 10:59 am

dmjcat wrote:
Against this years UA team, yes. Against our 2nd team plus a couple of freshman, No. Utah with 3 starters back (including the best big in the conference) will give Ristic/Anderson + UA frosh a very competitive run for their money.

The word competitive is interesting. Was Utah competitive this year when they lost the race by 3 games?

I think people would generally say they were competitive. So by that margin, one could say Utah being within 3 games of us in the final standings is "competitive."

I'm willing to agree they will probably be within 3 games of us when we win the conference.

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Tue Apr 07, 2015 11:33 am

Pac is wide open next year.

Daryl Zero · Post by **Daryl Zero** » Tue Apr 07, 2015 11:49 am

Beachcat97 wrote:Pac is crap city next year.

Fixed it for you.

dmjcat · Post by **dmjcat** » Tue Apr 07, 2015 12:22 pm

SCCats wrote:
dmjcat wrote:
Against this years UA team, yes. Against our 2nd team plus a couple of freshman, No. Utah with 3 starters back (including the best big in the conference) will give Ristic/Anderson + UA frosh a very competitive run for their money.
The word competitive is interesting. Was Utah competitive this year when they lost the race by 3 games?

I think people would generally say they were competitive. So by that margin, one could say Utah being within 3 games of us in the final standings is "competitive."

I'm willing to agree they will probably be within 3 games of us when we win the conference.

"Was Utah competitive this year when they lost the race by 3 games?" You seem to be forgetting that was against Tarc/Bash/TJ/SJ/RHJ all of whom we are assuming to be gone. Those 3 Utah starters (plus a chunk of their bench) would now be matched up against Ristic/Anderson/York + a couple of unproven freshman.................totally different than "this year when they lost the race by 3 games".

People seem to have problems separating the present from the future.

dmjcat · Post by **dmjcat** » Tue Apr 07, 2015 12:24 pm

Daryl Zero wrote:
Beachcat97 wrote:Pac is crap city next year.
Fixed it for you.

The PAC12 will be crap city...........AND wide open next year if the Cats lose their entire starting 5.

SCCats · Post by **SCCats** » Tue Apr 07, 2015 12:25 pm

dmjcat wrote:
SCCats wrote:
dmjcat wrote:
Against this years UA team, yes. Against our 2nd team plus a couple of freshman, No. Utah with 3 starters back (including the best big in the conference) will give Ristic/Anderson + UA frosh a very competitive run for their money.
The word competitive is interesting. Was Utah competitive this year when they lost the race by 3 games?

I think people would generally say they were competitive. So by that margin, one could say Utah being within 3 games of us in the final standings is "competitive."

I'm willing to agree they will probably be within 3 games of us when we win the conference.

"Was Utah competitive this year when they lost the race by 3 games?" You seem to be forgetting that was against Tarc/Bash/TJ/SJ/RHJ all of whom we are assuming to be gone. Those 3 Utah starters (plus a chunk of their bench) would now be matched up against Ristic/Anderson/York + a couple of unproven freshman.................totally different than "this year when they lost the race by 3 games".

People seem to have problems separating the present from the future.

You actually missed the point completely.

I'm trying to get a definition of the word "competitive" vis-a-vis conference play.

"Competitive" was loosely defined by me as being within three games in the final standings. Under that definition I am happy to agree that Utah would be competitive; i.e. within three games of us in the final standings. No more, no less.

eoe · Post by **eoe** » Tue Apr 07, 2015 1:34 pm

Arizona w/o starting 5>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Utah w/o Poeltl, Wright
Arizona w/o starting 4>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Utah w/o Poeltl, Wright
Arizona w/o starting 5>>>>>>>>>>>>Utah w/o Wright
Arizona w/o starting 4>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Utah w/o Poeltl

Utah was 3 players + some Taylor
Arizona is contending for NCAA championships and had elite depth, while Utah was contending for a Pac-12 title and was the sum of their starting players. The degree of separation based on talent is slim, but that doesn't mean Utah even comes close to Arizona's elite roster even without all of the experience from last year.

Next year (after Arizona of course) based on current standing:
-Oregon
-UCLA
-Utah
-Stanford

If Arizona wins the league by less than 2 games, I'll be surprised. We have two plug-in guys in Allen and Anderson along with York and Zeus. Funny that Oregon has a highly recruited kid coming in and it's trumpeted as a major boost for their title chances, but Arizona has 4 of those coming in yet you have consistently wrong commentators (ie DMJCAT) downplaying that key fact.

A starting 5 of our freshman + Pitts runs through half the competition in-conference. Add PJC (elite PG), York (experienced and elite shooter), Allen (experienced and elite scorer), Anderson (experienced and elite forward), Pitts (experienced shooter), and possibly Zeus (experienced and elite post player), this is not even a contest. These guys were on the bench because they had NBA players in front of them, not because they lack skills.

gronk4heisman · Post by **gronk4heisman** » Tue Apr 07, 2015 1:53 pm

Elite don't mean what it used to I guess

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Tue Apr 07, 2015 2:12 pm

I guess a lot of this depends on how quickly our young guys develop into their larger roles. It's really, really hard to know what kind of impact a freshman will make unless they're named Okafor. I love our incoming class, with or without Rabb, and I think Trier, Smith, Simon, and Comanche will eventually be major contributors. Just not sure it happens next season.

UAEebs86 · Post by **UAEebs86** » Tue Apr 07, 2015 3:53 pm

Scheer just said on 1290 he thinks Kaleb is coming back.

Doesn't think in the end Stanley will be able to turn down the money.

thenewazcats · Post by **thenewazcats** » Tue Apr 07, 2015 6:14 pm

Trier will be an immediate contributor. May be the best scorer we have had since Khalid or Money.

azcat34 · Post by **azcat34** » Tue Apr 07, 2015 9:06 pm

Ok, now I know this guy is a tool:

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Tue Apr 07, 2015 9:09 pm

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Tue Apr 07, 2015 9:11 pm

So he's either staying or leaving? Good to know.

rgdeuce · Post by **rgdeuce** » Tue Apr 07, 2015 9:13 pm

What a bunch of idiots. Their sources include randoms on facebook and a guy who has a lab with zeus this semester

az91 · Post by **az91** » Tue Apr 07, 2015 9:19 pm

It seems like the "sources" are contradicting each other.

Alieberman · Post by **Alieberman** » Tue Apr 07, 2015 9:35 pm

What a shit show

Olsondogg · Post by **Olsondogg** » Wed Apr 08, 2015 6:40 am

Beachcat97 wrote:Pac is wide open next year.

No, no it's not.

I know I've said this before, but you really need to stick with what you know. Which probably is no topic ever discussed on this message board.

gumby · Post by **gumby** » Wed Apr 08, 2015 5:47 pm

Spaceman Spiff wrote:So he's either staying or leaving? Good to know.

60/40, or 40/60

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Wed Apr 08, 2015 5:48 pm

gumby wrote:
Spaceman Spiff wrote:So he's either staying or leaving? Good to know.
60/40, or 40/60

I heard from a reliable source it is more like 59/41 or 41/59.

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Wed Apr 08, 2015 5:52 pm

I wonder how Ashley's and RHJ's decisions factor into Tarc's and/or Stan's. Are they more likely to stay/leave given what's already happened?

azcat34 · Post by **azcat34** » Wed Apr 08, 2015 6:19 pm

Beachcat97 wrote:I wonder how Ashley's and RHJ's decisions factor into Tarc's and/or Stan's. Are they more likely to stay/leave given what's already happened?

Is this your first year following college basketball? No man.

rgdeuce · Post by **rgdeuce** » Wed Apr 08, 2015 9:42 pm

Twitter blowing up saying Zeus is coming back for his senior season. The site I will not name being one of them

qwertyus · Post by **qwertyus** » Wed Apr 08, 2015 9:54 pm

Spaceman Spiff wrote:
gumby wrote:
Spaceman Spiff wrote:So he's either staying or leaving? Good to know.
60/40, or 40/60
I heard from a reliable source it is more like 59/41 or 41/59.

I'm hearing contradictory reports that suggest it is more like "41/59 or 59/41", not the other way around for sure.

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