2014-15 Phoenix Suns Season Thread

UAEebs86 · Post by **UAEebs86** » Fri Oct 31, 2014 9:28 pm

Suns win, Suns win!

Phoenix 94 San Antonio 89

Len with a double double. Who'd a thunk it?

2-0

wooha · Post by **wooha** » Fri Oct 31, 2014 9:34 pm

Len actually looked…pleasantly competent. Small sample size, but so far so good with the Isaiah Thomas acquisition.

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Fri Oct 31, 2014 9:34 pm

Len's +/- has been tremendous. He looks clumsy out there but his impact is definitely there

KaibabKat · Post by **KaibabKat** » Fri Oct 31, 2014 9:43 pm

Isaiah Thomas role model = Damon Stoudamire.

JMarkJohns · Post by **JMarkJohns** » Fri Oct 31, 2014 9:52 pm

If this Markieff and this Len are the frontline going forward, I think Suns can finish top-5.

That's a big "if" but I think a reasonable compromise is 17-8 for Markieff and 8-7 for Len.

JMarkJohns · Post by **JMarkJohns** » Sun Nov 02, 2014 11:46 am

Turd last night. Watched parts. Really bad defense. Offense hasn't clicked yet.

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Wed Nov 05, 2014 9:11 pm

Watched them play a quality Memphis team that really plays defense and it lookedto me they really missed Frye spreading the floor.

Their spacing was an issue all night and watching little Isaiah go 1 on 1 got really boring

UAEebs86 · Post by **UAEebs86** » Mon Nov 17, 2014 8:38 pm

So Len had 19 points on 8-10 shooting and 7 rebounds in 29 minutes in a win at Boston?

I thought this guy was going to be a stiff? Didn't see the game - what's your take JMJ?

Longhorned · Post by **Longhorned** » Tue Nov 18, 2014 11:35 am

McDonough never thought Len was going to be a stiff. We're starting to see flashes of the potential the Suns saw when they drafted him so high. It would be awesome if he stays healthy and develops normally. That steal with the breakaway dunk was something to behold.

JMarkJohns · Post by **JMarkJohns** » Tue Nov 18, 2014 2:39 pm

My issue with Len was never as much his upside as it was injury history (foot), and him that he didn't possess the defensive ability/upside of Noel.

Nothing he's doing now change this. But I'm glad he's developing. Definitely shows upside. Wish he was a legit shot blocker.

CalStateTempe · Post by **CalStateTempe** » Mon Dec 15, 2014 5:20 am

What is it going to take to turn this franchise around?

Caught some clips on SC this AM, and wow, do they look bad.

sad.

JMarkJohns · Post by **JMarkJohns** » Mon Dec 15, 2014 8:39 am

CalStateTempe wrote:What is it going to take to turn this franchise around?

Caught some clips on SC this AM, and wow, do they look bad.

sad.

They are painfully close, have played a difficult schedule with many back-2-backs, several on road, and could easily be 8 games over .500, but are losing close games vs. good teams, many times in OT.

But to answer your question, they need a defensive big man. Willie Cauley-Stein would be nice. With Lakers now winning solidly, likelihood Suns get their lotto pick increases, plus their own lotto pick likely.

They are a piece or two and development away. I'd rather peak three years from now than now. Spurs won't last another two years, Mavs also, same with Thunder (or I doubt they will). Let age, free agency, and attrition thin out the field.

CalStateTempe · Post by **CalStateTempe** » Tue Dec 16, 2014 4:26 pm

Thanks JMJ for the short and long term overview.

UAEebs86 · Post by **UAEebs86** » Tue Dec 16, 2014 5:38 pm

They have lost two games in the last week on bricked three pointers at the buzzer that bounced funny and went in - Heartbreak Hotel as Al McCoy would say.

Jefe · Post by **Jefe** » Fri Dec 19, 2014 10:02 am

The guys on KNST this morning were saying Sarver wants bond money to build a new arena.

http://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/n ... /20566341/

CHARLOTTE, N.C. – Earlier this year, Suns Managing Partner Robert Sarver acknowledged the need and desire for the franchise to play in a new arena with eight years left on the US Airways Center lease.

Sarver also shared that sentiment with NBA Commissioner Adam Silver recently.

"I had this conversation with him just the other day," Silver said Wednesday night in Charlotte before the Suns-Hornets game. "I don't think it's imminent but, yes, over time, there's no question that what was once one of the very best buildings in the league is becoming older.

"They invested in a renovation there, the prior ownership did. Robert, as he looks out into the next decade, realizes that at some point he's going to need a new building. It's early stages but it's something that the league office can be helpful with. At least we have the experience of many more markets."

More Suns: Is Isaiah Thomas unhappy in Phoenix?

US Airways Center is the eighth oldest arena in the NBA. Among the older ones, Madison Square Garden has undergone a like-new renovation and there are plans in place for Golden State, Sacramento and Milwaukee to get new arenas.

US Airways Center opened in 1992 and underwent a $67 million renovation in 2003.

"He's very engaged," Silver said of Sarver. "It's early days in the process but it is something he's already beginning to think about."

Is the pancake roof arena still up? Veterans Memorial? Looks like it

The Goat · Post by **The Goat** » Fri Dec 19, 2014 10:54 am

Fuck building that twat a stadium. Let another city have the team.

UAEebs86 · Post by **UAEebs86** » Wed Dec 24, 2014 10:59 am

JMarkJohns · Post by **JMarkJohns** » Wed Dec 24, 2014 11:46 am

UAEebs86 wrote:

According to other reports Suns have 6.3 million.

Probably nothing to quibble over.

Might be setting the table for a legitimate acquisition. I've heard no rumblings as to whom. Maybe Lopez? Nets need draft picks, Suns have a few. Not sure I'd do that, though. Wouldn't mind them making a run at Green from Boston for Tucker/Ennis/1st. Not Sure Boston does that.

JMarkJohns · Post by **JMarkJohns** » Wed Dec 24, 2014 11:53 am

Garnett could make sense. Expiring contract, veteran, still decently productive, especially on the boards. Costs 12 million. Not sure who Suns give up. Doubt they want to give up core pieces.

Lopez seems unlikely. His salary is too high at nearly 16 per.

JMarkJohns · Post by **JMarkJohns** » Wed Dec 24, 2014 11:57 am

Maybe Thomas for Garnett? Suns net decent veteran big man, Thomas goes to team in need of starting PG, Nets get a good starting PG for very friendly price?

UAEebs86 · Post by **UAEebs86** » Fri Dec 26, 2014 10:23 pm

After losing six in a row, the Suns have now won five in a row.

CalStateTempe · Post by **CalStateTempe** » Sat Dec 27, 2014 8:39 am

The Goat wrote:Fuck building that twat a stadium. Let another city have the team.

yup

JMarkJohns · Post by **JMarkJohns** » Sat Dec 27, 2014 11:05 am

UAEebs86 wrote:After losing six in a row, the Suns have now won five in a row.

In their defense, Dragic and Thomas each missed games, and two of the losses were on miracle threes.

With health and a few bounces, this is a 48-52 win team. Without, it's .500

I think they are prime for a trade. Goodwin tearing it up in DLeague, several expiring contracts, Thomas, 6+ in CAP space, and draftees that can't even see the floor. They have assets to make a big acquisition, hopefully at C or a two-way SF.

UAEebs86 · Post by **UAEebs86** » Fri Mar 06, 2015 8:10 pm

0-20 from three with 8 minutes to go in Brooklyn. What's the O-fer three pointers record in the NBA?

EDIT: Found it. You can do it Suns!

UAEebs86 · Post by **UAEebs86** » Fri Mar 06, 2015 8:17 pm

1-22 now.

Longhorned · Post by **Longhorned** » Sun Mar 08, 2015 8:53 pm

Sarver will need a scape goat. How about Hornacek?

JMarkJohns · Post by **JMarkJohns** » Sun Mar 08, 2015 9:04 pm

Longhorned wrote:Sarver will need a scape goat. How about Hornacek?

Sarver's biggest mistake was hiring a man with far more clout and credit with the Suns fanbase as coach.

Wasn't Hornacek runner-up to Pops last season for COY?

I'll admit something here.

I was 9 when Hornacek was traded. I cried. I loved the KJ/Hornacek/Majerle/Chambers Suns.

I'd bet there's still enough folks like me where if a Suns owner ousted Hornacek again, he'd be run out of town. Maybe he takes the organization with it, which would suck, but I'd rather have no team than a hostage team, subject to all forms of idiocy with blame for all but himself.

Longhorned · Post by **Longhorned** » Mon Mar 09, 2015 3:07 pm

JMarkJohns wrote:
Longhorned wrote:Sarver will need a scape goat. How about Hornacek?
Sarver's biggest mistake was hiring a man with far more clout and credit with the Suns fanbase as coach.

Wasn't Hornacek runner-up to Pops last season for COY?

I'll admit something here.

I was 9 when Hornacek was traded. I cried. I loved the KJ/Hornacek/Majerle/Chambers Suns.

I'd bet there's still enough folks like me where if a Suns owner ousted Hornacek again, he'd be run out of town. Maybe he takes the organization with it, which would suck, but I'd rather have no team than a hostage team, subject to all forms of idiocy with blame for all but himself.

Suns fans LOVE Hornacek. In a Suns' uniform, he was "Mr. Sunshine." As an All-Star, he was the only player to wear his warm-up suit instead of a formal suit to the ceremonies. Giving him up for Barkley was necessary but bitter pill. As a Sixer, he gave interviews talking about only wanting to return to Phoenix. And my word, those who saw him in his prime know what an amazing shooting guard he was.

I felt the same way about Kerr having to leave town in the Sarver regime. That's what severed Sarver for me.

UAEebs86 · Post by **UAEebs86** » Fri May 29, 2015 8:30 am

Rumors floating around of Hoiberg to Bulls, Hornacek to Iowa State.

Main Event · Post by **Main Event** » Fri May 29, 2015 9:19 am

Right back where we started

Longhorned · Post by **Longhorned** » Fri May 29, 2015 1:43 pm

This is where Sarver tends to show his real character. When somebody shows your valuable coach interest, you extend his contract. I don't see Sarver doing that.

JMarkJohns · Post by **JMarkJohns** » Fri May 29, 2015 4:10 pm

I almost do not care anymore.

Irish27 · Post by **Irish27** » Sat May 30, 2015 5:49 pm

Longhorned wrote:This is where Sarver tends to show his real character. When somebody shows your valuable coach interest, you extend his contract. I don't see Sarver doing that.

I wouldn't care if Jeff took the Iowa State job because I don't think he is that great a coach. Let Hornacek leave sign Thibodeau.

JMarkJohns · Post by **JMarkJohns** » Sat May 30, 2015 6:02 pm

Irish27 wrote:
Longhorned wrote:This is where Sarver tends to show his real character. When somebody shows your valuable coach interest, you extend his contract. I don't see Sarver doing that.
I wouldn't care if Jeff took the Iowa State job because I don't think he is that great a coach. Let Hornacek leave sign Thibodeau.

Hornacek is actually a fantastic coach. He has not had very many breaks in his coaching career, from almost double digit buzzer losses, injury upon injury, redundant talent, bad attitudes amongst players, and "leaders" of the team getting in trouble with the law.

Yet he's over .500 in two seasons, and he's done a fantastic job in two specific areas: 1. Rotations (Point Guardians Of The Galaxy, aside) and youth development (almost every young player has improved significantly under him).

It's not just wins. I've seen incredible amounts of upside to Hornacek as coach. Unfortunately, Sarver is an idiot, and Hornacek is a lame duck coach, a problem I foresaw upon his signing. It was a joke to give just three years then, and even more so after a runner-up finish to Pops for coach of the year as a rookie amidst multiple high profile injuries.

Main Event · Post by **Main Event** » Sat May 30, 2015 6:13 pm

Thibs runs his players into the ground, i'm good

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Sat May 30, 2015 6:17 pm

If Sarver wouldn't pony up for Kerr why would he for Hornacek. Sarver is an idiot.

UAEebs86 · Post by **UAEebs86** » Wed Jun 03, 2015 11:22 am

Hornacek declined a meeting with Iowa State.

JMarkJohns · Post by **JMarkJohns** » Wed Jun 03, 2015 1:51 pm

UAEebs86 wrote:Hornacek declined a meeting with Iowa State.

Rumor has it his reps commented on the report that fueled these details that the report was factually inaccurate.

UAEebs86 · Post by **UAEebs86** » Thu Jun 25, 2015 8:40 pm

Going for the all-Kentucky guard team.

UAEebs86 · Post by **UAEebs86** » Thu Jun 25, 2015 8:43 pm

Main Event · Post by **Main Event** » Thu Jun 25, 2015 8:43 pm

Blow it up already

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Thu Jun 25, 2015 8:49 pm

Didn't like the Harrison pick so if they trade him that would be find by me. I thought they would look for a stretch 4 with that pick. A big that can shoot on the pick and pop

TucsonClip · Post by **TucsonClip** » Thu Jun 25, 2015 8:52 pm

azcat49 wrote:Didn't like the Harrison pick so if they trade him that would be find by me. I thought they would look for a stretch 4 with that pick. A big that can shoot on the pick and pop

Thats what Leuer is.

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Thu Jun 25, 2015 9:05 pm

Oh nice then. Thanks Clip. I know you follow the league.

JMarkJohns · Post by **JMarkJohns** » Thu Jun 25, 2015 10:35 pm

Booker at 13 has a chance to be a top-5 player in the class. He's really good, still young, maybe growing, and he's quick and agile. If he can grow to 6-8 he's the perfect modern wing.

The Goat · Post by **The Goat** » Fri Jun 26, 2015 12:02 am

JMarkJohns wrote:Booker at 13 has a chance to be a top-5 player in the class. He's really good, still young, maybe growing, and he's quick and agile. If he can grow to 6-8 he's the perfect modern wing.

Basing a pick on a player freakishly growing doesn't sound great to me. At least he can spread the floor for a team that is going nowhere. Won't be able to do anything else at a high level.

JMarkJohns · Post by **JMarkJohns** » Fri Jun 26, 2015 12:45 am

The Goat wrote:
JMarkJohns wrote:Booker at 13 has a chance to be a top-5 player in the class. He's really good, still young, maybe growing, and he's quick and agile. If he can grow to 6-8 he's the perfect modern wing.
Basing a pick on a player freakishly growing doesn't sound great to me. At least he can spread the floor for a team that is going nowhere. Won't be able to do anything else at a high level.

Did you see his agility rank? He got lost in the UK machine. He's not a slasher, but he's 19 in October. He has lateral quickness, a high release, and quality range.

Don't underestimate his upside. Modern game favors shooting and quickness. He has both.

Young players grow all the time. Not basing my opinion on him, but his youth factors into upside.

Main Event · Post by **Main Event** » Tue Aug 11, 2015 7:35 pm

So over these guys. Ship Kieff out for a 1st in 17

Longhorned · Post by **Longhorned** » Thu Aug 13, 2015 10:40 am

If the Suns don't get good value for trading him, then what the hell seems to be the continued problem with that organization? If you're going to trade one, trade both before things turn worse and you lose your leverage. Anybody on this board knew that both twins are twits and that Markieff was going to demand a trade. It doesn't matter if you think he should understand the terms of his own contract and be a professional.

JMarkJohns · Post by **JMarkJohns** » Fri Mar 24, 2017 8:00 pm

I love this thread

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