Game #9 @ Washington Huskies Discussion Thread

cats101 · Post by **cats101** » Wed Oct 28, 2015 8:28 am

Newportcat wrote:Washington 38
Arizona 20

Not a blow out on paper, but I don't think the game will feel close. Some of their players still have to be pissed about last year and outside of the leap by the lake we seem to always play lose in Seattle. Remember the foot interception by Foles

The single play that made me hate UW athletics in it's entirety. Not that their basketball program needed anymore more reason for me to hate them.

Them losing 12 straight to Oregon makes me laugh because I know it eats them up inside.

azthrillhouse · Post by **azthrillhouse** » Wed Oct 28, 2015 9:00 am

cats101 wrote:
Newportcat wrote:Washington 38
Arizona 20

Not a blow out on paper, but I don't think the game will feel close. Some of their players still have to be pissed about last year and outside of the leap by the lake we seem to always play lose in Seattle. Remember the foot interception by Foles
The single play that made me hate UW athletics in it's entirety. Not that their basketball program needed anymore more reason for me to hate them.

Them losing 12 straight to Oregon makes me laugh because I know it eats them up inside.

What was even worse than that play was earlier in the game, we had (I believe) a fumble return for a touchdown that was called back? Too painful to look it up but my recollection is that we were only up 10-0 instead of 17-0 because of an absolutely awful call that was clear as day on replay.

Gilbertcat · Post by **Gilbertcat** » Wed Oct 28, 2015 9:35 am

6 years later and I am still mad at that "great" non int

azpenguin · Post by **azpenguin** » Wed Oct 28, 2015 10:25 am

azthrillhouse wrote:
cats101 wrote:
Newportcat wrote:Washington 38
Arizona 20

Not a blow out on paper, but I don't think the game will feel close. Some of their players still have to be pissed about last year and outside of the leap by the lake we seem to always play lose in Seattle. Remember the foot interception by Foles
The single play that made me hate UW athletics in it's entirety. Not that their basketball program needed anymore more reason for me to hate them.

Them losing 12 straight to Oregon makes me laugh because I know it eats them up inside.
What was even worse than that play was earlier in the game, we had (I believe) a fumble return for a touchdown that was called back? Too painful to look it up but my recollection is that we were only up 10-0 instead of 17-0 because of an absolutely awful call that was clear as day on replay.

IIRC it wasn't a TD but it would have given the Cats the ball at the UW 10. That game turned out to be huge as the season went on. UW still hasn't paid for that one. I'm hoping they do this week.

dc4azcats · Post by **dc4azcats** » Wed Oct 28, 2015 11:55 am

PHXCATS wrote:
UAEebs86 wrote:Byrne just said on 1290 this afternoon they requested an earlier start time BEFORE the time was even announced, because of no bye weeks, the distance to travel to UDub, and consecutive road games.

F Larry Scott.
Are we really still not getting it? Larry had zero to do with this. My goodness why does everyone think that everyone is out to get Arizona?

Not taking sides but believe it or not the conference actually has a guy who's job is all about communicating with the networks in regards to start times. Not just for football but for all sports. From what I've been told, quite a bit of communication is involved between the schools and the conference and specifically when it involves the Pac 12 network. I'm sure the conference doesn't think Arizona is getting jobbed but on the surface it certainly looks like Arizona is getting the short end of the stick.

Blair Willis ‏@BlairWillisUA · Oct 27
From 2005-11, 18 of Arizona's 31 conference road games started at 2 p.m. or earlier with only four games starting at 6 p.m. or later.

Blair Willis ‏@BlairWillisUA · Oct 27
Since 2005, @ArizonaFBall has kicked off 11 total home games before 2 p.m. Of those, eight have come over last 15 home conference games.

Blair Willis ‏@BlairWillisUA · Oct 27
Under @CoachRodAZ, Cats have played eight home conference games at 1:30 pm or earlier. Only three such games on the road.

Blair Willis ‏@BlairWillisUA · Oct 27
For @ArizonaFBall, 6 of last 10 home Pac-12 games have been 1:30 pm or earlier starts, while 7 of last 10 roadies have been 6 pm or later.

dc4azcats · Post by **dc4azcats** » Wed Oct 28, 2015 12:02 pm

Newportcat wrote:Washington 38
Arizona 20

Not a blow out on paper, but I don't think the game will feel close. Some of their players still have to be pissed about last year and outside of the leap by the lake we seem to always play lose in Seattle. Remember the foot interception by Foles

Interesting prediction since UW averages 24 points a game. They don't know who will be their starting QB and I'm not sure it matters since neither one is very good. Granted both are freshman but the point remains the same. UW has the 11th worst offense in the conference against one of the worst defenses in the conference. Arizona has one of the best offenses in the conference against one of the better defenses in the conference. Throw in that the conditions might not be that great and I will go with the team that can run the ball most effectively.

ASUHATER! · Post by **ASUHATER!** » Wed Oct 28, 2015 12:57 pm

Yeah in that weather it's going to take 2 to 3 bad turnovers by us for Washington to score 38 points.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Wed Oct 28, 2015 1:08 pm

As one of the announcers said last week, if you want to see an example of how not to tackle watch the Arizona Wildcats.

Can't imagine it's going to get better when wet and muddy.

UAEebs86 · Post by **UAEebs86** » Wed Oct 28, 2015 1:15 pm

Merkin wrote:As one of the announcers said last week, if you want to see an example of how not to tackle watch the Arizona Wildcats.

Can't imagine it's going to get better when wet and muddy.

Muddy? They haven't had natural grass since 1967.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Wed Oct 28, 2015 1:31 pm

UAEebs86 wrote:
Merkin wrote:As one of the announcers said last week, if you want to see an example of how not to tackle watch the Arizona Wildcats.

Can't imagine it's going to get better when wet and muddy.
Muddy? They haven't had natural grass since 1967.

Cats bring their own dirt.

But the point still stands.

UAtrue · Post by **UAtrue** » Wed Oct 28, 2015 1:43 pm

We do not play well on cold blustery nights in the pacific northwest.

azpenguin · Post by **azpenguin** » Wed Oct 28, 2015 1:56 pm

Cats haven't won in Seattle since 2007. That was the game where Tui went nuts late and led a comeback from being down 41-26 in the fourth quarter to win 48-41. I think he threw for 510 in that game. (Washington hasn't won in Tucson since 2006.) Since they broke Oregon State's streak in Tucson maybe it's time to break UW's streak in Seattle.

scumdevils86 · Post by **scumdevils86** » Wed Oct 28, 2015 2:07 pm

azpenguin wrote:Cats haven't won in Seattle since 2007. That was the game where Tui went nuts late and led a comeback from being down 41-26 in the fourth quarter to win 48-41. I think he threw for 510 in that game. (Washington hasn't won in Tucson since 2006.) Since they broke Oregon State's streak in Tucson maybe it's time to break UW's streak in Seattle.

i remember that. had an awkward lunch with my mother and listened to the comeback on the car in the radio haha.

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Wed Oct 28, 2015 4:18 pm

Gladiator Cat · Post by **Gladiator Cat** » Wed Oct 28, 2015 5:09 pm

azgreg wrote:

I think that point spread is about as realistic as possible.

Unless we have spectacular run read and react QB play from Randall I don't feel we'll leave Seattle with a win.

This game and the climate is not a positive for Anu's or Randalls passing talents. Anu poses almost no run threat and Washington and most all teams now knows this so he's at a huge disadvantage with poor passing conditions and no real running threat expected from him.

Randall on the other hand will likely be just as bad if not worse in the passing game because of his extremely hard throws, but can get it done on the ground, unlike Anu.

This will have to be won on the ground with just enough passing plays mixed in to keep Wash off balance.

I think our team is snake-bit to some extent and may very likely start pressing and feeling the pressure including the coaches. The cold weather along with wind and rain and a huge flux of questionable coaching moves on the defensive side of the ball leaves me less than optimistic we get it done.

I think folks better settle in for some disappointment as we start our run through murders row over the next four weeks or so.

Sid · Post by **Sid** » Wed Oct 28, 2015 7:54 pm

Gladiator Cat wrote:
azgreg wrote:
I think that point spread is about as realistic as possible.

Unless we have spectacular run read and react QB play from Randall I don't feel we'll leave Seattle with a win.

This game and the climate is not a positive for Anu's or Randalls passing talents. Anu poses almost no run threat and Washington and most all teams now knows this so he's at a huge disadvantage with poor passing conditions and no real running threat expected from him.

Randall on the other hand will likely be just as bad if not worse in the passing game because of his extremely hard throws, but can get it done on the ground, unlike Anu.

This will have to be won on the ground with just enough passing plays mixed in to keep Wash off balance.

I think our team is snake-bit to some extent and may very likely start pressing and feeling the pressure including the coaches. The cold weather along with wind and rain and a huge flux of questionable coaching moves on the defensive side of the ball leaves me less than optimistic we get it done.

I think folks better settle in for some disappointment as we start our run through murders row over the next four weeks or so.

I'm sniffing what you're laying down, but disagree a tad. I believe disappointment can be spared if we start JR on O & bring the house on D during obvious passing plays with kids that have the gift of speed on the edges and hope for the best. God knows we cant cover the middle of the field, why not roll the dice and demand the QB to make a accurate throw? The other school is well known for blitzing the majority of the game and has marginal success doing so, why not give this a try?

We can continue with the soft coverage packages, but why? We don't have the talent. Bring the freaking house and often!

A few big plays on D can be monumental game changers, and I would love to see what JR can do knowing this is his team going forward. Let Anu get healthy & let him look forward to competing with Dawkins and the rest in 2016.

Not giving up hope yet, we shall soon see....

azpenguin · Post by **azpenguin** » Wed Oct 28, 2015 9:16 pm

Prediction: Solomon starts and plays at least the first half, possibly with a series for JR on there. Washington is having issues in the secondary right now and the Arizona receivers are finding their groove. Browning is going to be a good QB in the future but he's pretty raw right now. If AZ can get a 14-21 point lead, UW isn't a good team as far as chasing points.

They do have a solid running back in Gaskin. Good moves and lateral quickness and great vision. The big question is how much success Browning has, because they won't be able to live on the run alone. Arizona 38-27.

Harvey Specter · Post by **Harvey Specter** » Wed Oct 28, 2015 10:10 pm

dc4azcats wrote:
Newportcat wrote:Washington 38
Arizona 20

Not a blow out on paper, but I don't think the game will feel close. Some of their players still have to be pissed about last year and outside of the leap by the lake we seem to always play lose in Seattle. Remember the foot interception by Foles
Interesting prediction since UW averages 24 points a game. They don't know who will be their starting QB and I'm not sure it matters since neither one is very good. Granted both are freshman but the point remains the same. UW has the 11th worst offense in the conference against one of the worst defenses in the conference. Arizona has one of the best offenses in the conference against one of the better defenses in the conference. Throw in that the conditions might not be that great and I will go with the team that can run the ball most effectively.

^^^ Tru Dat

Strength against strength and weakness against weakness. Interesting matchup.

UA total O - #1 in PAC
UW total D - #2 in PAC

UW total O - #12 in PAC
UA total D - #11 in PAC

ASUHATER! · Post by **ASUHATER!** » Wed Oct 28, 2015 10:16 pm

Going to come down to turnovers. Whoever takes care of the ball wins.

Newportcat · Post by **Newportcat** » Thu Oct 29, 2015 5:14 am

With the weather probably being so bad, agree that UW probably not scoring 38 points so will revise

UW - 27
UA - 20

Again though I think its a game where the score might be close but the game wont feel that way. If this was at Arizona I would feel much differently about this one just think road game, terrible weather, cold, in seattle, against a good defense, just seems bad.

Keep in mind our defense made UTSA's crappy offense look great

How is their a defense worse then ours in the Pac-12, thats pathetic

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Thu Oct 29, 2015 6:08 am

ramcat · Post by **ramcat** » Thu Oct 29, 2015 9:13 am

Washington's offense is horrendous and will be the difference. Cats D will not give up more than 17. Hopefully special teams and the offense don't contribute to that total!

Cats-31 Fuskies-17

dc4azcats · Post by **dc4azcats** » Thu Oct 29, 2015 12:07 pm

Newportcat wrote:With the weather probably being so bad, agree that UW probably not scoring 38 points so will revise

UW - 27
UA - 20

Again though I think its a game where the score might be close but the game wont feel that way. If this was at Arizona I would feel much differently about this one just think road game, terrible weather, cold, in seattle, against a good defense, just seems bad.

Keep in mind our defense made UTSA's crappy offense look great

How is their a defense worse then ours in the Pac-12, thats pathetic

What I don't get is how you somehow think we won't score much in this game? Cold, rainy and wet weather favors the team that can run the ball best. Arizona has the number 2 rushing offense (282 yards per game) in the conference behind Oregon. UW has the 11th best rushing offense (122 yards per game) in the conference.

I looked at the Oregon v UW box score to see if Oregon was able to rush the ball and they weren't that successful with 50 rushes for 170 yards but more interesting is Oregon threw the ball for 272 yards.

UW passed for 205 and rushed the ball for 180 with one of those rushes accounting for 72 yards. Obviously that rush for 72 counts but interesting to note that the other 29 rushes were good for 108 yards. Worth noting that the only team with a worse defense than Arizona is Oregon.

It's hard to tell when looking at QB rush numbers as sacks are in there and you really don't know how many of the 8 rush attempts were truly rush attempts. It says Adams had 8 rushes for 12 yards with a long of 17 yards - which goes back to my previous sentence.

If the weather is decent then my guess is Anu starts and if it's not decent then JR starts and we run the ball on almost every play. Browning the UW QB has 6 Tds and 5 ints.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Thu Oct 29, 2015 12:20 pm

Was #1 with a health Nick Wilson.

How did they do last week with a hobbled Nick Wilson against a pretty poor WSU defense?

I do see now that Nick is listed as "probable" for UDub.

10/29/15 LB Derrick Turituri Hip out indefinitely
10/29/15 -DB Tellas Jones Concussion is upgraded to probable Saturday vs. Washington U
10/27/15 RB Nick Wilson Foot probable Saturday vs. Washington U
10/25/15 CB DaVonte' Neal Hamstring "?" Saturday vs. Washington U
10/25/15 DT Jeff Worthy Concussion "?" Saturday vs. Washington U
10/25/15 DL Parker Zellers Knee "?" Saturday vs. Washington U

ASUHATER! · Post by **ASUHATER!** » Thu Oct 29, 2015 12:25 pm

Still no Scooby or turituri. Wonder if either will play again this season.

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Thu Oct 29, 2015 12:37 pm

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Thu Oct 29, 2015 12:50 pm

Nick is probable as of Tuesday.

[RB] 10/27/2015 - Nick Wilson probable Saturday vs. Washington U ( Foot )
[LB] 10/29/2015 - Derrick Turituri out indefinitely ( Hip )
[-DB] 10/29/2015 - Tellas Jones is upgraded to probable Saturday vs. Washington U ( Concussion )

dc4azcats · Post by **dc4azcats** » Thu Oct 29, 2015 1:05 pm

Merkin wrote:Was #1 with a health Nick Wilson.

How did they do last week with a hobbled Nick Wilson against a pretty poor WSU defense?

I do see now that Nick is listed as "probable" for UDub.

Really? Even without Wilson, Arizona still has 2 of the top 10 leading rushers in the conference. Did you see what happened in the Wazzu game when JR came in? Randall had 10 carries for 105 yards. Or does that not count?

azpenguin · Post by **azpenguin** » Thu Oct 29, 2015 1:18 pm

Merkin wrote:Nick is probable as of Tuesday.

[RB] 10/27/2015 - Nick Wilson probable Saturday vs. Washington U ( Foot )
[LB] 10/29/2015 - Derrick Turituri out indefinitely ( Hip )
[-DB] 10/29/2015 - Tellas Jones is upgraded to probable Saturday vs. Washington U ( Concussion )

Where do you get that? The tweets are from the official report issued by the school.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Thu Oct 29, 2015 1:22 pm

UA had 176 rushing yards against WSU.

Baker averaged 2 yards a carry, Nick Wilson just over 1.

Wouldn't call that a potent rushing attack when your QB has more rushing yards than your 2 RBs combined.

Gilbertcat · Post by **Gilbertcat** » Thu Oct 29, 2015 2:05 pm

azpenguin wrote:
Merkin wrote:Nick is probable as of Tuesday.

[RB] 10/27/2015 - Nick Wilson probable Saturday vs. Washington U ( Foot )
[LB] 10/29/2015 - Derrick Turituri out indefinitely ( Hip )
[-DB] 10/29/2015 - Tellas Jones is upgraded to probable Saturday vs. Washington U ( Concussion )
Where do you get that? The tweets are from the official report issued by the school.

This is one site with em

http://www.statfox.com/cfb/injuries.asp" target="_blank

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Thu Oct 29, 2015 2:09 pm

azpenguin wrote:
Merkin wrote:Nick is probable as of Tuesday.

[RB] 10/27/2015 - Nick Wilson probable Saturday vs. Washington U ( Foot )
[LB] 10/29/2015 - Derrick Turituri out indefinitely ( Hip )
[-DB] 10/29/2015 - Tellas Jones is upgraded to probable Saturday vs. Washington U ( Concussion )
Where do you get that? The tweets are from the official report issued by the school.

All say the same thing but are dated Tuesday. I really don't know how injuries are reported to the NCAA.

http://www.donbest.com/ncaaf/injuries/" target="_blank
http://www.statfox.com/cfb/injuries.asp" target="_blank
http://chicagosports.sportsdirectinc.co ... uries.html" target="_blank
http://www.thespread.com/ncaa-college-football-injuries" target="_blank

So bear down!

Harvey Specter · Post by **Harvey Specter** » Thu Oct 29, 2015 2:20 pm

Newportcat wrote:With the weather probably being so bad, agree that UW probably not scoring 38 points so will revise

UW - 27
UA - 20

Again though I think its a game where the score might be close but the game wont feel that way. If this was at Arizona I would feel much differently about this one just think road game, terrible weather, cold, in seattle, against a good defense, just seems bad.

Keep in mind our defense made UTSA's crappy offense look great

How is their a defense worse then ours in the Pac-12, thats pathetic

Oregon is #12.

Bye bye Don Pellum.

dc4azcats · Post by **dc4azcats** » Thu Oct 29, 2015 2:36 pm

Merkin wrote:UA had 176 rushing yards against WSU.

Baker averaged 2 yards a carry, Nick Wilson just over 1.

Wouldn't call that a potent rushing attack when your QB has more rushing yards than your 2 RBs combined.

Why does it matter where the yards come from? If Randall is our best rusher then so be it. Everybody knows that when Randall is in the game we're running the ball and even knowing that they still can't stop him.

We also threw the ball for over 300 yards against Wazzu because they were stacking the box or do those yards not count either since it wasn't just Anu throwing the passes?

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Thu Oct 29, 2015 2:38 pm

When Anu is in the game now and he goes to an option everyone knows he is giving it up to the rb. Would think that impacts the rushing stats.

Macho Grande · Post by **Macho Grande** » Thu Oct 29, 2015 2:39 pm

A very winnable game for sure. But weird stuff always seems to happen to us when playing up there. Washington's offense sucks, but they'll end up getting 3 TD's off of blocked kick returns or fumble returns or some other flukey shit.

azpenguin · Post by **azpenguin** » Thu Oct 29, 2015 3:20 pm

I do feel this is still a very winnable game for Arizona. But you're right, strange things have been known to happen when the Cats tangle with the Huskies. CP not taking a knee. The 2013 storm. Scott rolling UW both times he played them, and rolling them bad. The foot interception. The Stanback Hail Mary. Plenty more. This matchup commands respect just on the basis of the history alone.

gumby · Post by **gumby** » Thu Oct 29, 2015 5:34 pm

50 degrees. A little wind. A little wind. You guys make is sound like the frozen tundra.

We got this, and I will be there.

Gilbertcat · Post by **Gilbertcat** » Thu Oct 29, 2015 6:58 pm

Lots of good seats still available....

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Thu Oct 29, 2015 7:15 pm

Gilbertcat wrote:Lots of good seats still available....

I'd love to see a game at this stadium once.

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Thu Oct 29, 2015 7:32 pm

I have a hunch we cover and win a nutcutter

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Fri Oct 30, 2015 7:48 am

Injury updates:

10/30/15 CB DaVonte' Neal Hamstring is upgraded to probable Saturday vs. Washington U
10/30/15 DT Jeff Worthy Concussion is upgraded to probable Saturday vs. Washington U

azpenguin · Post by **azpenguin** » Fri Oct 30, 2015 2:49 pm

90% chance of rain during the day tapering off to 60% at night. 16-24 mph winds. Hope Jerrard is ready.

gumby · Post by **gumby** » Sat Oct 31, 2015 12:52 am

Currently a steady rain. No wind. Surprisingly warm.

ANGCatFan · Post by **ANGCatFan** » Sat Oct 31, 2015 8:14 am

Morales' off the beaten path storylines.

UAEebs86 · Post by **UAEebs86** » Sat Oct 31, 2015 8:20 am

Newportcat · Post by **Newportcat** » Sat Oct 31, 2015 11:00 pm

dc4azcats wrote:
Newportcat wrote:With the weather probably being so bad, agree that UW probably not scoring 38 points so will revise

UW - 27
UA - 20

Again though I think its a game where the score might be close but the game wont feel that way. If this was at Arizona I would feel much differently about this one just think road game, terrible weather, cold, in seattle, against a good defense, just seems bad.

Keep in mind our defense made UTSA's crappy offense look great

How is their a defense worse then ours in the Pac-12, thats pathetic
What I don't get is how you somehow think we won't score much in this game? Cold, rainy and wet weather favors the team that can run the ball best. Arizona has the number 2 rushing offense (282 yards per game) in the conference behind Oregon. UW has the 11th best rushing offense (122 yards per game) in the conference.

I looked at the Oregon v UW box score to see if Oregon was able to rush the ball and they weren't that successful with 50 rushes for 170 yards but more interesting is Oregon threw the ball for 272 yards.

UW passed for 205 and rushed the ball for 180 with one of those rushes accounting for 72 yards. Obviously that rush for 72 counts but interesting to note that the other 29 rushes were good for 108 yards. Worth noting that the only team with a worse defense than Arizona is Oregon.

It's hard to tell when looking at QB rush numbers as sacks are in there and you really don't know how many of the 8 rush attempts were truly rush attempts. It says Adams had 8 rushes for 12 yards with a long of 17 yards - which goes back to my previous sentence.

If the weather is decent then my guess is Anu starts and if it's not decent then JR starts and we run the ball on almost every play. Browning the UW QB has 6 Tds and 5 ints.

Still optimistic DC?????

I guess my prediction was off too

Harvey Specter · Post by **Harvey Specter** » Sat Oct 31, 2015 11:11 pm

dc4azcats wrote:
Newportcat wrote:Washington 38
Arizona 20

Not a blow out on paper, but I don't think the game will feel close. Some of their players still have to be pissed about last year and outside of the leap by the lake we seem to always play lose in Seattle. Remember the foot interception by Foles
Interesting prediction since UW averages 24 points a game. They don't know who will be their starting QB and I'm not sure it matters since neither one is very good. Granted both are freshman but the point remains the same. UW has the 11th worst offense in the conference against one of the worst defenses in the conference. Arizona has one of the best offenses in the conference against one of the better defenses in the conference. Throw in that the conditions might not be that great and I will go with the team that can run the ball most effectively.

49-3

dmjcat · Post by **dmjcat** » Sat Oct 31, 2015 11:31 pm

dc4azcats wrote:
Newportcat wrote:Washington 38
Arizona 20

Not a blow out on paper, but I don't think the game will feel close. Some of their players still have to be pissed about last year and outside of the leap by the lake we seem to always play lose in Seattle. Remember the foot interception by Foles
Interesting prediction since UW averages 24 points a game. They don't know who will be their starting QB and I'm not sure it matters since neither one is very good. Granted both are freshman but the point remains the same. UW has the 11th worst offense in the conference against one of the worst defenses in the conference. Arizona has one of the best offenses in the conference against one of the better defenses in the conference. Throw in that the conditions might not be that great and I will go with the team that can run the ball most effectively.

At least DC is consistent........consistently wrong. The next time he's right about anything will be a first this year. I'm still laughing about the "Monster" Tagaloa prediction he made.

catgrad97 · Post by **catgrad97** » Sat Oct 31, 2015 11:37 pm

I couldn't care less about which posters are right or wrong. This program has a serious coaching issue that needs to get resolved before that "Hard Edge" bus becomes the laughingstock of the nation.

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