Game 12, at ASU: The Territorial Cup (2015)

SCCats · Post by **SCCats** » Sat Nov 21, 2015 3:20 pm

Merkin wrote:
cordera89 wrote:
Merkin wrote:Even with healthy players and a couple of playmakers UA D was 110th in the nation last year. It's not just injuries.

Casteel and the 3-3-5 need to go, although like DMJ said, RR can stay
Do want to be the one to tell RR to make a change on the Defensive Staff. Regardless of last year team that wasn't hit with injury but still had worst rank defense in country.

That's why Greg Byrne makes the big bucks

Exactly.

Salty · Post by **Salty** » Sat Nov 21, 2015 3:21 pm

Time to earn your salary, Byrne.

Gladiator Cat · Post by **Gladiator Cat** » Sat Nov 21, 2015 3:22 pm

GB isn't going to do shit about this defense. Grow a brain. Its RR call and you know the answer.

Irish27 · Post by **Irish27** » Sat Nov 21, 2015 3:23 pm

LSU losing to Ole Miss, could Les Miles be the next UofA coach?

dmjcat · Post by **dmjcat** » Sat Nov 21, 2015 3:23 pm

At least we only have one more miserable half to sit through.

Personally I hope RRod sits Anu out of the bowl game. I am concerned that he may be done with football completely if he takes another hit and gets concussed. I would let Dawkins use the bowl game as a 2nd spring practice session and see what he can do.

Salty · Post by **Salty** » Sat Nov 21, 2015 3:23 pm

Gladiator Cat wrote:GB isn't going to do shit about this defense. Grow a brain. Its RR call and you know the answer.

If Byrne wants a better job, he needs to oversee marked improvements in the football program

The path to an improved football program is an improved defense.

SCCats · Post by **SCCats** » Sat Nov 21, 2015 3:24 pm

Gladiator Cat wrote:GB isn't going to do shit about this defense. Grow a brain. Its RR call and you know the answer.

That creates a conundrum. With Scooby gone I don't think we can win with this defense. If you can't win games then you might as well get rid of Rich, even though probably 90% of us would like to keep him.

AZarchery · Post by **AZarchery** » Sat Nov 21, 2015 3:24 pm

Glad to come here and see the sky is indeed falling

RazorsEdgeAZ · Post by **RazorsEdgeAZ** » Sat Nov 21, 2015 3:25 pm

Merkin wrote:Even with healthy players and a couple of playmakers UA D was 110th in the nation last year. It's not just injuries.

Casteel and the 3-3-5 need to go, although like DMJ said, RR can stay

But injuries... (snark)

OSUCat · Post by **OSUCat** » Sat Nov 21, 2015 3:27 pm

I'm just going to state the obvious.

This is not acceptable.

Gladiator Cat · Post by **Gladiator Cat** » Sat Nov 21, 2015 3:27 pm

SCCats wrote:
Gladiator Cat wrote:GB isn't going to do shit about this defense. Grow a brain. Its RR call and you know the answer.
That creates a conundrum. With Scooby gone I don't think we can win with this defense. If you can't win games then you might as well get rid of Rich, even though probably 90% of us would like to keep him.

Well then thats your conundrum because RR nor GB are firing Jeff Casteel.

SCCats · Post by **SCCats** » Sat Nov 21, 2015 3:28 pm

OSUCat wrote:I'm just going to state the obvious.

This is not acceptable.

Agree.

In year four, this is not acceptable.

Salty · Post by **Salty** » Sat Nov 21, 2015 3:28 pm

SCCats wrote:
Gladiator Cat wrote:GB isn't going to do shit about this defense. Grow a brain. Its RR call and you know the answer.
That creates a conundrum. With Scooby gone I don't think we can win with this defense. If you can't win games then you might as well get rid of Rich, even though probably 90% of us would like to keep him.

I want RR as the coach but I can't stomach this defense anymore. If he refuses to adapt, then he's the source of our problems.

But hey, Arizona could grab Les Miles or Charlie Smart! Maybe Smart could be our DC!

SCCats · Post by **SCCats** » Sat Nov 21, 2015 3:29 pm

Gladiator Cat wrote:
SCCats wrote:
Gladiator Cat wrote:GB isn't going to do shit about this defense. Grow a brain. Its RR call and you know the answer.
That creates a conundrum. With Scooby gone I don't think we can win with this defense. If you can't win games then you might as well get rid of Rich, even though probably 90% of us would like to keep him.
Well then thats your conundrum because RR nor GB are firing Jeff Casteel.

Well then that conundrum will need to be solved in a different way.

TuiTouchdown · Post by **TuiTouchdown** » Sat Nov 21, 2015 3:30 pm

You guys are really reactionary.

SCCats · Post by **SCCats** » Sat Nov 21, 2015 3:30 pm

Salty wrote:[I want RR as the coach but I can't stomach this defense anymore. If he refuses to adapt, then he's the source of our problems.

I agree with you.

Obviously you're being facetious with Smart, but I'm confident that $700,000 can buy us a great up and coming DC.

Salty · Post by **Salty** » Sat Nov 21, 2015 3:31 pm

SCCats wrote:
Gladiator Cat wrote:
SCCats wrote:
Gladiator Cat wrote:GB isn't going to do shit about this defense. Grow a brain. Its RR call and you know the answer.
That creates a conundrum. With Scooby gone I don't think we can win with this defense. If you can't win games then you might as well get rid of Rich, even though probably 90% of us would like to keep him.
Well then thats your conundrum because RR nor GB are firing Jeff Casteel.
Well then that conundrum will need to be solved in a different way.

Maybe pushing RR to Miami and finding Casteel a job at an FCS school? North Texas is looking for a new coach...

AZarchery · Post by **AZarchery** » Sat Nov 21, 2015 3:31 pm

TuiTouchdown wrote:You guys are really reactionary.

I was thinking the same thing

Salty · Post by **Salty** » Sat Nov 21, 2015 3:31 pm

TuiTouchdown wrote:You guys are really reactionary.

Welcome to division I football, where results matter.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Sat Nov 21, 2015 3:32 pm

dmjcat · Post by **dmjcat** » Sat Nov 21, 2015 3:32 pm

I would be happy if we just STOP running TEMPO on offense in the 2nd half. Shorten the game God Dammit so our suffering ends sooner.

The scum had 400 yards offense in the 1st half.......I don't want to see 600 yards offense from them in the 2nd half.

Gladiator Cat · Post by **Gladiator Cat** » Sat Nov 21, 2015 3:32 pm

All I know is RR days of ever owning the State of Arizona in recruiting is a distant dream. TG will own this bitch from here on out.

Reality sucks sometimes.

AZarchery · Post by **AZarchery** » Sat Nov 21, 2015 3:33 pm

Salty wrote:
TuiTouchdown wrote:You guys are really reactionary.
Welcome to division I football, where results matter.

Being you must be miserable

TuiTouchdown · Post by **TuiTouchdown** » Sat Nov 21, 2015 3:34 pm

Salty wrote:
TuiTouchdown wrote:You guys are really reactionary.
Welcome to division I football, where results matter.

So if results matter, what happened last year? Should we have locked RR/Casteel into multi year extensions? And then this year, of course we break those contracts to hire a new coach. Maybe a hot shot with no experience but who had a great year.

dmjcat · Post by **dmjcat** » Sat Nov 21, 2015 3:35 pm

AZarchery wrote:
Salty wrote:
TuiTouchdown wrote:You guys are really reactionary.
Welcome to division I football, where results matter.
Being you must be miserable

And you are happy with whats going on???

Did you start hitting the Wild Turkey BEFORE the game started??

cordera89 · Post by **cordera89** » Sat Nov 21, 2015 3:35 pm

Salty wrote:
Gladiator Cat wrote:GB isn't going to do shit about this defense. Grow a brain. Its RR call and you know the answer.
If Byrne wants a better job, he needs to oversee marked improvements in the football program

The path to an improved football program is an improved defense.

Understand the situation of what Gladiator said. Byrnes isn't going to go down that road and force RR to make the call of what to do with Defensive Staff. That RR choices if he feel that the defense can improve under Casteel that they can improve with everyone back being healthy then so be it, but if has another injury prone like how this season and defense doesn't improve then he will make that call. But for now RR isn't going to make a change unless he is force to make a change.

Salty · Post by **Salty** » Sat Nov 21, 2015 3:36 pm

AZarchery wrote:
Salty wrote:
TuiTouchdown wrote:You guys are really reactionary.
Welcome to division I football, where results matter.
Being you must be miserable

Being an Arizona fan is pretty miserable, most of the time.

It used to be not miserable when we would play asu, but now it is.

If you want to defend our program and the trajectory of this defense, be my guest. The reality is that this program will not have any sort of improvement without a significant change in the approach, culture, and scheme of the defense.

CatsbyAZ · Post by **CatsbyAZ** » Sat Nov 21, 2015 3:37 pm

Embarrassing

AZCatGirl · Post by **AZCatGirl** » Sat Nov 21, 2015 3:37 pm

Fumble! Nice start!

The Butcher · Post by **The Butcher** » Sat Nov 21, 2015 3:38 pm

well fuck yah. Berc will make mistakes

The Butcher · Post by **The Butcher** » Sat Nov 21, 2015 3:39 pm

okay. ball coming out quick. like this. let's go.

The Butcher · Post by **The Butcher** » Sat Nov 21, 2015 3:40 pm

I'm gonna have a f'ing heart attack.

SCCats · Post by **SCCats** » Sat Nov 21, 2015 3:42 pm

The Butcher wrote:well fuck yah. Berc will make mistakes

ASU's record isn't lying; they are very much the 5-5 (3-4) team their record indicates.

Still more than enough to hang 31 on us in the first half, which is sad/pathetic more than anything else.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Sat Nov 21, 2015 3:42 pm

TuiTouchdown · Post by **TuiTouchdown** » Sat Nov 21, 2015 3:42 pm

FWIW Dawkins doing a good job out there. Definitely moving the ball better than Randall which surprises me.

dirtbags · Post by **dirtbags** » Sat Nov 21, 2015 3:46 pm

if you ever feel bad about our program, salty, you can always rest assured that you're not fuegs and this isn't ku football: 12-58 since the mangino years... and their road losing streak is what, 37 now? haven't won on the road since the 2009 preseason to a conf usa team.

here's to the "at least we're not kansas" campaign!

TuiTouchdown · Post by **TuiTouchdown** » Sat Nov 21, 2015 3:47 pm

Nice!

dirtbags · Post by **dirtbags** » Sat Nov 21, 2015 3:47 pm

eat dirt, jerkovici!

TuiTouchdown · Post by **TuiTouchdown** » Sat Nov 21, 2015 3:49 pm

D came up big.

60 min of Arizona football.

Salty · Post by **Salty** » Sat Nov 21, 2015 3:50 pm

dirtbags wrote:if you ever feel bad about our program, salty, you can always rest assured that you're not fuegs and this isn't ku football: 12-58 since the mangino years... and their road losing streak is what, 37 now? haven't won on the road since the 2009 preseason to a conf usa team.

here's to the "at least we're not kansas" campaign!

With the financial investment our fans have made in this program, we should expect more than to say "at least we aren't Kansas!"

TuiTouchdown · Post by **TuiTouchdown** » Sat Nov 21, 2015 3:51 pm

dirtbags wrote:eat dirt, jerkovici!

Dope burn.

dirtbags · Post by **dirtbags** » Sat Nov 21, 2015 3:51 pm

satire, salty.

Salty · Post by **Salty** » Sat Nov 21, 2015 3:51 pm

I'm ok with losing this game.

I'm not ok with losing in by 20+

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Sat Nov 21, 2015 3:51 pm

Riggleman bringing his A game.

dirtbags · Post by **dirtbags** » Sat Nov 21, 2015 3:52 pm

tui - you have to read that in a little pete (from "the adventures of pete & pete") voice for the full effect. if you're old enough to remember.

cordera89 · Post by **cordera89** » Sat Nov 21, 2015 3:54 pm

Salty wrote:I'm ok with losing this game.

I'm not ok with losing in by 20+

Salty the game is already a lose.

We can lose big or small it wont make a difference.

TuiTouchdown · Post by **TuiTouchdown** » Sat Nov 21, 2015 3:55 pm

dirtbags wrote:tui - you have to read that in a little pete (from "the adventures of pete & pete") voice for the full effect. if you're old enough to remember.

Ha love that reference.

dmjcat · Post by **dmjcat** » Sat Nov 21, 2015 3:57 pm

cordera89 wrote:
Salty wrote:I'm ok with losing this game.

I'm not ok with losing in by 20+
Salty the game is already a lose.

We can lose big or small it wont make a difference.

I respectfully disagree........how we lose is important. We need to hang on to the few decent recruits we have and we need to give potential recruits a reason to believe that we are not rapidly becoming the joke of the PAC12.

Salty · Post by **Salty** » Sat Nov 21, 2015 3:57 pm

cordera89 wrote:
Salty wrote:I'm ok with losing this game.

I'm not ok with losing in by 20+
Salty the game is already a lose.

We can lose big or small it wont make a difference.

Yes, it does matter. It matters to recruits, to the national media, to the fans, etc.

Need to play a competitive game here, even if it's a loss.

3goggles · Post by **3goggles** » Sat Nov 21, 2015 4:00 pm

In my mind this game is completely on the offense! The defense can only do so much.

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