Fired Casteel

carolinacat · Post by **carolinacat** » Mon Jan 04, 2016 11:59 am

chiefzona wrote:
Chicat wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Casteel coach from the sideline? Always thought it was better to have your O and D coordinators up in the booth where they can see the whole field, plus the television game feeds and use that birds-eye view to make adjustments on the fly. Hopefully the next guy we get is in the booth and relaying stuff down to the position coaches.

I've said that for the last four years but was scoffed. Good perception though.

I don't think that matters. Mickey Andrews never coached FSU's defense from the press box and they seemed to be pretty damn good under him for two decades.

SCCats · Post by **SCCats** » Mon Jan 04, 2016 12:02 pm

Newportcat wrote:Casteel was fired!

Holy shit!

People said this could never occur, but people (and by people I mean GB and RR) can see into the future; they can understand that, if the defense has another year like it just had (and I'd put the chance of that at probably around 90% personally), it wasn't going to be just Casteel's job on the line. Another 3-6 conference year with no changes having been made wasn't just going to put Casteel's job on the line.

I'm glad they decided to move now and not try to wait another year.

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Mon Jan 04, 2016 12:03 pm

carolinacat wrote:
azgreg wrote:Is it possible that this was mandated by GB?
I think the question should be, is it possible that this was RR's own decision without any pressure. I think the answer to that is no. RR runs the program, but Byrne runs the AD and the boosters also have some say and some pressure. Everyone saw this coming and knew a change had to happen. Still, until recruiting changes significantly, it's all smoke and mirrors regardless of the scheme you run.

I think scheme can and does have a lot to do with recruiting. The 3-3-5 is a tough sell to dlinemen (you get like zero stats) and linebackers (lot of tackles, but a lot of injuries) if you play it the way Casteel did. If you get a guy who is aggressive with his blitzes and play-calling, you can show kids that 4 or 5 or 6 guys will all be crashing the pocket and that they'll rack up plenty of TFLs and sacks. No one wants to be a tackling dummy or to be on your heels on an island as some 200lb running back with a head of steam comes barreling at you. They want to attack and get on Sportscenter like Scooby was able to do. That's the pitch recruits want to hear, even if you're running some half-baked dime package all the time.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Mon Jan 04, 2016 12:05 pm

Explains the timing.

Chicat wrote:
carolinacat wrote:
azgreg wrote:Is it possible that this was mandated by GB?
I think the question should be, is it possible that this was RR's own decision without any pressure. I think the answer to that is no. RR runs the program, but Byrne runs the AD and the boosters also have some say and some pressure. Everyone saw this coming and knew a change had to happen. Still, until recruiting changes significantly, it's all smoke and mirrors regardless of the scheme you run.
I think scheme can and does have a lot to do with recruiting. The 3-3-5 is a tough sell to dlinemen (you get like zero stats) and linebackers (lot of tackles, but a lot of injuries) if you play it the way Casteel did. If you get a guy who is aggressive with his blitzes and play-calling, you can show kids that 4 or 5 or 6 guys will all be crashing the pocket and that they'll rack up plenty of TFLs and sacks. No one wants to be a tackling dummy or to be on your heels on an island as some 200lb running back with a head of steam comes barreling at you. They want to attack and get on Sportscenter like Scooby was able to do. That's the pitch recruits want to hear, even if you're running some half-baked dime package all the time.

Except for DL who are expected to tie up blockers and make holes for the LBs and DBs to get the sacks and TFL. That doesn't you on SportsCenter.

Tough sell for DL recruits who want to go on.

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Mon Jan 04, 2016 12:05 pm

carolinacat wrote:
chiefzona wrote:
Chicat wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Casteel coach from the sideline? Always thought it was better to have your O and D coordinators up in the booth where they can see the whole field, plus the television game feeds and use that birds-eye view to make adjustments on the fly. Hopefully the next guy we get is in the booth and relaying stuff down to the position coaches.

I've said that for the last four years but was scoffed. Good perception though.
I don't think that matters. Mickey Andrews never coached FSU's defense from the press box and they seemed to be pretty damn good under him for two decades.

I think there are exceptions to every rule. And I don't think being on the sideline helped Casteel. If it did, I'd hate to see what our defense would have looked like with him in the booth.

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Mon Jan 04, 2016 12:07 pm

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Mon Jan 04, 2016 12:09 pm

azgreg wrote:

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Mon Jan 04, 2016 12:12 pm

UALoco wrote:Ok smart guys...who, realistically, do you want to fill the open defensive coaching spots and why?

Looks like Clancy Pendergrast may be available once the Niners clean house, but it looks like USC is targeting him, and they will be tough to beat out.

Newportcat · Post by **Newportcat** » Mon Jan 04, 2016 12:13 pm

Side topic...I miss college...Kendal Franklins twitter profile pic

Why is it hard to recruit to the U of A......

RazorsEdgeAZ · Post by **RazorsEdgeAZ** » Mon Jan 04, 2016 12:14 pm

Like the move. Could read between the lines that RR will be here few more years. Felt building pressure reflective on him and thus his own liability with the program. Enough to make the moves.

Fresh defensive start in some capacity. Fresh with new recruits too.

Maybe if wasn't just injuries after all as some on here have thrown out. Maybe this had some to do about lackluster recruiting, player development and lack of depth some have suggested wasn't an issue.

One bold moves requires another... time to see what replaces the changes

Newportcat · Post by **Newportcat** » Mon Jan 04, 2016 12:15 pm

Merkin wrote:
UALoco wrote:Ok smart guys...who, realistically, do you want to fill the open defensive coaching spots and why?
Looks like Clancy Pendergrast may be available once the Niners clean house, but it looks like USC is targeting him, and they will be tough to beat out.

I heard yesterday it was a done deal for USC from my buddy who is well connected there

azpenguin · Post by **azpenguin** » Mon Jan 04, 2016 12:17 pm

The thing with the injuries is it muddles the waters. You don't really know what you have either way. 1991 was a case in point.

Catstatic · Post by **Catstatic** » Mon Jan 04, 2016 12:18 pm

We get someone who can get us into the top 50 defenses in the country, and this team could be dangerous. Is it too soon to hope?

Go Cats!!

Newportcat · Post by **Newportcat** » Mon Jan 04, 2016 12:21 pm

Chicat wrote:
azgreg wrote:

Man even current players didn't like the 335

chiefzona · Post by **chiefzona** » Mon Jan 04, 2016 12:22 pm

Newportcat wrote:
Chicat wrote:
azgreg wrote:

Man even current players didn't like the 335

Most didn't....especially the DL.

3goggles · Post by **3goggles** » Mon Jan 04, 2016 12:29 pm

chiefzona wrote:
Newportcat wrote:
Chicat wrote:
azgreg wrote:

Man even current players didn't like the 335

Most didn't....especially the DL.

Do you think this helps us reland Watson and Allen?

gronk4heisman · Post by **gronk4heisman** » Mon Jan 04, 2016 12:36 pm

I don't think we want Watson that bad, he was asked to Grey Shirt IMO as a way to open up a spot for someone the staff wants more.

As for the DC, I say we break the bank for Pendergast.

chiefzona · Post by **chiefzona** » Mon Jan 04, 2016 12:40 pm

3goggles wrote:
chiefzona wrote:
Newportcat wrote:
Chicat wrote:
azgreg wrote:

Man even current players didn't like the 335

Most didn't....especially the DL.
Do you think this helps us reland Watson and Allen?

Allen, maybe. Watson, probably not.

wyo-cat · Post by **wyo-cat** » Mon Jan 04, 2016 12:42 pm

I hope that RR learned his lesson at UM and giver the DC autonomy. He never did it there and it lead to problems. He was also hamstrung by the budget to hire a quality DC, that won't be an issue this time around.

chiefzona · Post by **chiefzona** » Mon Jan 04, 2016 12:45 pm

wyo-cat wrote:I hope that RR learned his lesson at UM and giver the DC autonomy. He never did it there and it lead to problems. He was also hamstrung by the budget to hire a quality DC, that won't be an issue this time around.

RR is showing that he has learned from past and present mistakes. Either that or the world ends tomorrow.

TuiTouchdown · Post by **TuiTouchdown** » Mon Jan 04, 2016 12:47 pm

Also, what's Chuck Cecil doing now?

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Mon Jan 04, 2016 12:49 pm

TuiTouchdown wrote:Also, what's Chuck Cecil doing now?

Isn't he still coaching at Tennessee?

chiefzona · Post by **chiefzona** » Mon Jan 04, 2016 12:50 pm

TuiTouchdown wrote:Also, what's Chuck Cecil doing now?

Rams DB coach

splitsecond · Post by **splitsecond** » Mon Jan 04, 2016 12:50 pm

We do not want anything to do with Clancy Pendergast. It seems many of you forget who's play calling cost the Cardinals the Super Bowl against the steelers.

TuiTouchdown · Post by **TuiTouchdown** » Mon Jan 04, 2016 12:50 pm

azgreg wrote:
TuiTouchdown wrote:Also, what's Chuck Cecil doing now?
Isn't he still coaching at Tennessee?

I see on Wikipedia he's the secondary coach for the Rams. With everything up in the air there, I wonder if he'd be ready for a change.

gronk4heisman · Post by **gronk4heisman** » Mon Jan 04, 2016 12:53 pm

splitsecond wrote:We do not want anything to do with Clancy Pendergast. It seems many of you forget who's play calling cost the Cardinals the Super Bowl against the steelers.

But his play calling did not help a not very good on paper team get to the Superbowl? I don't watch the NFL very often, but I find it hard to believe that is the case.

chiefzona · Post by **chiefzona** » Mon Jan 04, 2016 12:54 pm

splitsecond wrote:We do not want anything to do with Clancy Pendergast. It seems many of you forget who's play calling cost the Cardinals the Super Bowl against the steelers.

It would be a parting of the Red Sea miracle to get Clancy to come to Arizona.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Mon Jan 04, 2016 12:54 pm

Wouldn't mind Ricky Hunley as a position coach. Obviously not a DC candidate, but would be a great legacy hire if he can handle recruiting.

azpenguin · Post by **azpenguin** » Mon Jan 04, 2016 12:56 pm

Merkin wrote:Wouldn't mind Ricky Hunley as a position coach. Obviously not a DC candidate, but would be a great legacy hire if he can handle recruiting.

He's not going to be retained at Memphis with the new staff. He might make a pretty decent LB coach...

chiefzona · Post by **chiefzona** » Mon Jan 04, 2016 1:00 pm

azpenguin wrote:
Merkin wrote:Wouldn't mind Ricky Hunley as a position coach. Obviously not a DC candidate, but would be a great legacy hire if he can handle recruiting.
He's not going to be retained at Memphis with the new staff. He might make a pretty decent LB coach...

He's got some bad blood with Arizona. Not saying it's impossible, just highly improbable. I would be less shocked if Lance Briggs was hired as the LB coach.

3goggles · Post by **3goggles** » Mon Jan 04, 2016 1:02 pm

chiefzona wrote:
azpenguin wrote:
Merkin wrote:Wouldn't mind Ricky Hunley as a position coach. Obviously not a DC candidate, but would be a great legacy hire if he can handle recruiting.
He's not going to be retained at Memphis with the new staff. He might make a pretty decent LB coach...

He's got some bad blood with Arizona. Not saying it's impossible, just highly improbable. I would be less shocked if Lance Briggs was hired as the LB coach.

Isn't he coaching at poly? Or is Antonio pierce?

gronk4heisman · Post by **gronk4heisman** » Mon Jan 04, 2016 1:02 pm

splitsecond wrote:We do not want anything to do with Clancy Pendergast. It seems many of you forget who's play calling cost the Cardinals the Super Bowl against the steelers.

Between 2010 - 2013, Pendergast was the DC for the team that recorded the best total defense in the Pac 10/12 for 3 of those 4 years over two different schools and you want me to worry that he made some calls that cost the team with the worst record to ever make the Super Bowl the game?

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Mon Jan 04, 2016 1:03 pm

TuiTouchdown wrote:
azgreg wrote:
TuiTouchdown wrote:Also, what's Chuck Cecil doing now?
Isn't he still coaching at Tennessee?
I see on Wikipedia he's the secondary coach for the Rams. With everything up in the air there, I wonder if he'd be ready for a change.

I see that now. Thanks.

chiefzona · Post by **chiefzona** » Mon Jan 04, 2016 1:12 pm

3goggles wrote:
chiefzona wrote:
azpenguin wrote:
Merkin wrote:Wouldn't mind Ricky Hunley as a position coach. Obviously not a DC candidate, but would be a great legacy hire if he can handle recruiting.
He's not going to be retained at Memphis with the new staff. He might make a pretty decent LB coach...

He's got some bad blood with Arizona. Not saying it's impossible, just highly improbable. I would be less shocked if Lance Briggs was hired as the LB coach.
Isn't he coaching at poly? Or is Antonio pierce?

Pierce is.

3goggles · Post by **3goggles** » Mon Jan 04, 2016 1:14 pm

chiefzona wrote:
3goggles wrote:
chiefzona wrote:
azpenguin wrote:
Merkin wrote:Wouldn't mind Ricky Hunley as a position coach. Obviously not a DC candidate, but would be a great legacy hire if he can handle recruiting.
He's not going to be retained at Memphis with the new staff. He might make a pretty decent LB coach...

He's got some bad blood with Arizona. Not saying it's impossible, just highly improbable. I would be less shocked if Lance Briggs was hired as the LB coach.
Isn't he coaching at poly? Or is Antonio pierce?
Pierce is.

I would imaging he has strong recruiting ties no? Is that a possible person for the LB coach?

Sid · Post by **Sid** » Mon Jan 04, 2016 1:21 pm

chiefzona wrote:
azpenguin wrote:
Merkin wrote:Wouldn't mind Ricky Hunley as a position coach. Obviously not a DC candidate, but would be a great legacy hire if he can handle recruiting.
He's not going to be retained at Memphis with the new staff. He might make a pretty decent LB coach...

He's got some bad blood with Arizona. Not saying it's impossible, just highly improbable. I would be less shocked if Lance Briggs was hired as the LB coach.

Briggs as our LB coach and out on recruiting trips gives me wood!

chiefzona · Post by **chiefzona** » Mon Jan 04, 2016 1:35 pm

3goggles wrote:
chiefzona wrote:
3goggles wrote:
chiefzona wrote:[quote

He's not going to be retained at Memphis with the new staff. He might make a pretty decent LB coach...

He's got some bad blood with Arizona. Not saying it's impossible, just highly improbable. I would be less shocked if Lance Briggs was hired as the LB coach.
Isn't he coaching at poly? Or is Antonio pierce?
Pierce is.

I would imaging he has strong recruiting ties no? Is that a possible person for the LB coach?[/quote]

Pierce has issues as well. He would pull in some good recruits but I don't see that as possible at all. The positional hires are all going to depend on the DC. RR is going to have to completely trust him so that he can do his job. The key to a successful DC is making sure he has all HIS hires around him and not the hires and wants of the HC. The DC wants to be comfortable that his scheme is being promoted thoroughly.

carolinacat · Post by **carolinacat** » Mon Jan 04, 2016 1:39 pm

Ricky Hunley available? I know he didn't get an invite as Virginia Tech is keeping their defensive coaches from the Beamer regime.
Coaching defense at Arizona has got to be more desirable than staying at Memphis.

OSUCat · Post by **OSUCat** » Mon Jan 04, 2016 1:40 pm

I'm not sure why there is more talk about position coaches than DC coaches.

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Mon Jan 04, 2016 1:44 pm

OSUCat wrote:I'm not sure why there is more talk about position coaches than DC coaches.

We need recruiters.

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Mon Jan 04, 2016 1:47 pm

Time to change the thread title to DC Hot Board?

Sid · Post by **Sid** » Mon Jan 04, 2016 1:49 pm

Chicat wrote:
OSUCat wrote:I'm not sure why there is more talk about position coaches than DC coaches.
We need recruiters.

This.

OSUCat · Post by **OSUCat** » Mon Jan 04, 2016 1:50 pm

Chicat wrote:
OSUCat wrote:I'm not sure why there is more talk about position coaches than DC coaches.
We need recruiters.

Won't matter till a DC is hired.

SCCats · Post by **SCCats** » Mon Jan 04, 2016 1:52 pm

Chicat wrote:We need recruiters.

For sure. In some ways I don't even care what scheme we run as long as we're getting some players.

And when one thinks about it, it's pretty amazing how few good defensive players one needs in each class. I would put it at about 3.

ANGCatFan · Post by **ANGCatFan** » Mon Jan 04, 2016 1:55 pm

These tweets from yesterday make a lot more sense to me now.

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Mon Jan 04, 2016 2:04 pm

I saw that first tweet and just assumed he was talking about the fact that I had to go back to work today after essentially getting two weeks off.

UAEebs86 · Post by **UAEebs86** » Mon Jan 04, 2016 2:08 pm

Black Monday refers to the NFL.

dmjcat · Post by **dmjcat** » Mon Jan 04, 2016 2:23 pm

dmjcat wrote:
catinfl wrote:Addae is a proven recruiter. Did well at Cincinnati
"Addae has also been recognized by Rivals.com as one of the top-10 recruiters in the BIG EAST Conference in 2010-11."http://www.gobearcats.com/sports/m-foot ... ile00.html

Forgive me for not getting too excited about Lockwoods demise. While he certainly deserved it RRod chose to replace him not with someone with Western recruiting ties (which we badly need) but with someone who is acknowledged for being a top recruiter in the Big East. It appears that RRod is intent on keeping a staff that is constructed for running a program on the East Coast, not the PAC12.

The day that RRod sacks Casteel & Kirlawich (sp?) and replaces them with West Coast based assistants will be the day that RRod demonstrates that he is trying to build a long term program at AZ. Until then, he's just treading water until he can high-tail it back east on his own terms.

OK, NOW I am excited. No inside knowledge but I am 99.9% certain Greg Byrne was behind this, not RRod.

I would love the see the UA make a run at getting Joe Salavea back to the UA as the DL coach. Ex-UA defensive tackle, NFL experience, excellent recruiter and he bleeds Cardinal Red and Blue.

Regarding our choice of defense maybe RRod should consider the defense TCU runs - the 4-2-5. It is constructed to stop the modern spread offenses but still gives you 4 big horses up front.

http://www.sbnation.com/college-footbal ... -patterson" target="_blank

azpenguin · Post by **azpenguin** » Mon Jan 04, 2016 2:38 pm

Ain't getting Salavea as DL coach. He just re-upped at Wazzu for a few years.

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Mon Jan 04, 2016 2:42 pm

azpenguin wrote:Ain't getting Salavea as DL coach. He just re-upped at Wazzu for a few years.

Yep, the only way he'd come here is as DC.

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