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Spaceman Spiff wrote:
PennZona20 wrote:Still no chance right guys???
I'm not getting hopes up until someone in the know says there's a real chance.
Until 97 says it ain't happening, I'll remain hopeful.
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Beachcat97 wrote:Wow. That would be some much-needed good news. When is he deciding?
This would be some great news for a program that sorely could use a positive development.
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http://247sports.com/Bolt/Simmons-annou ... y-42794332" target="_blank

Think it's safe to say he's a long shot for AZ.
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He hasn't visited Arizona. If he were to pick us, that would be a surprise to just about everyone.
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Chicat wrote:He hasn't visited Arizona. If he were to pick us, that would be a surprise to just about everyone.
Right. Oh well. JJ is the bigger fish anyway.
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Chicat wrote:He hasn't visited Arizona. If he were to pick us, that would be a surprise to just about everyone.
Is there a process where he will visit before his decision comes, which I assume will be later in the spring?
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carolinacat wrote:
Chicat wrote:He hasn't visited Arizona. If he were to pick us, that would be a surprise to just about everyone.
Is there a process where he will visit before his decision comes, which I assume will be later in the spring?
He's deciding on Saturday. See above link.
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Chicat wrote:He hasn't visited Arizona. If he were to pick us, that would be a surprise to just about everyone.
Interesting ............."Simmons took official visits three weeks in a row late in the summer to Kentucky (8/28), UNLV (9/4), and Ohio State (9/11). He has not taken an official visit to Arizona, but Sean Miller has continued to recruit him hard throughout the process"

and the dude throws us in a few days before he announces he'll announce?
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Without any knowledge of his recruitment, I bet he goes to Kentucky. How we ended up in the top 3 l, I don't know. Who knows, maybe he will surprise everyone and reach for the Kentucky hat, then put it back down and grab a UofA one.
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This would be nice. First I heard about Alkins, but don't follow recruiting all that closely.


9th ranked SG http://sports.yahoo.com/fau/basketball/ ... ins-149511" target="_blank with a very nice list of offers.
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Merkin wrote:This would be nice. First I heard about Alkins, but don't follow recruiting all that closely.


9th ranked SG http://sports.yahoo.com/fau/basketball/ ... ins-149511" target="_blank with a very nice list of offers.
Well, we definitely aren't getting either now.

If you give me JJ, I'm good. Unless Trier leaves, if JJ comes here, we have very little pt to go around, and none of it is on the wing.
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These others looks nice, but everyone knows it's all about JJ. It's all about this:

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My God Alkins is a beast!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_ngQ0kG-sI" target="_blank
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Beachcat97 wrote:My God Alkins is a beast!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_ngQ0kG-sI" target="_blank

Nice hops AND handles!
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Merkin wrote:This would be nice. First I heard about Alkins, but don't follow recruiting all that closely.


9th ranked SG http://sports.yahoo.com/fau/basketball/ ... ins-149511" target="_blank with a very nice list of offers.
Has Zagoria ever got a single thing right before? Dude's such a joke
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Merkin wrote:
Beachcat97 wrote:My God Alkins is a beast!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_ngQ0kG-sI" target="_blank
Nice hops AND handles!
I don't see him as a tremendously explosive athlete. He is physically strong and can handle. Basically a shorter Lance Stephenson is how I see him.
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WildcatStunner wrote:Without any knowledge of his recruitment, I bet he goes to Kentucky. How we ended up in the top 3 l, I don't know. Who knows, maybe he will surprise everyone and reach for the Kentucky hat, then put it back down and grab a UofA one.
Kentucky already has Fox, so the smart money would be on Ohio St.
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Alkins could be insurance for the possibility of Trier leaving.
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Spaceman Spiff wrote:
Merkin wrote:This would be nice. First I heard about Alkins, but don't follow recruiting all that closely.


9th ranked SG http://sports.yahoo.com/fau/basketball/ ... ins-149511" target="_blank with a very nice list of offers.
Well, we definitely aren't getting either now.

If you give me JJ, I'm good. Unless Trier leaves, if JJ comes here, we have very little pt to go around, and none of it is on the wing.
How do you know we aren't getting either now? Did Alkins already commit?
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az91 wrote:
Spaceman Spiff wrote:
Merkin wrote:This would be nice. First I heard about Alkins, but don't follow recruiting all that closely.


9th ranked SG http://sports.yahoo.com/fau/basketball/ ... ins-149511" target="_blank with a very nice list of offers.
Well, we definitely aren't getting either now.

If you give me JJ, I'm good. Unless Trier leaves, if JJ comes here, we have very little pt to go around, and none of it is on the wing.
How do you know we aren't getting either now? Did Alkins already commit?
Generally, picking the opposite of Zagoria is a solid strategy.
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97 is more credible than Zag, as far as AZ is concerned. So if 97 hasn't chimed in on this Alkins/Simmons rumor, my bet is we're not getting either.
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EOCT wrote:
Chicat wrote:He hasn't visited Arizona. If he were to pick us, that would be a surprise to just about everyone.
Interesting ............."Simmons took official visits three weeks in a row late in the summer to Kentucky (8/28), UNLV (9/4), and Ohio State (9/11). He has not taken an official visit to Arizona, but Sean Miller has continued to recruit him hard throughout the process"

and the dude throws us in a few days before he announces he'll announce?
A bit confusing to say the least. Why does the kid even bother to add us to his list at the last moment?? Why is Miller spending time recruiting a kid who won't even visit..........is our recruiting getting that desperate?
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dmjcat wrote:
EOCT wrote:
Chicat wrote:He hasn't visited Arizona. If he were to pick us, that would be a surprise to just about everyone.
Interesting ............."Simmons took official visits three weeks in a row late in the summer to Kentucky (8/28), UNLV (9/4), and Ohio State (9/11). He has not taken an official visit to Arizona, but Sean Miller has continued to recruit him hard throughout the process"

and the dude throws us in a few days before he announces he'll announce?
A bit confusing to say the least. Why does the kid even bother to add us to his list at the last moment?? Why is Miller spending time recruiting a kid who won't even visit..........is our recruiting getting that desperate?
Maybe he's shooting the kid text messages. It's still "recruiting him" but it isn't, in all reality, spending lots of time
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dmjcat wrote:
EOCT wrote:
Chicat wrote:He hasn't visited Arizona. If he were to pick us, that would be a surprise to just about everyone.
Interesting ............."Simmons took official visits three weeks in a row late in the summer to Kentucky (8/28), UNLV (9/4), and Ohio State (9/11). He has not taken an official visit to Arizona, but Sean Miller has continued to recruit him hard throughout the process"

and the dude throws us in a few days before he announces he'll announce?
A bit confusing to say the least. Why does the kid even bother to add us to his list at the last moment?? Why is Miller spending time recruiting a kid who won't even visit..........is our recruiting getting that desperate?
2016 is not a priority class in terms of numbers. If we can land 2 quality recruits, it probably fits better than 4.

Why not take an outside shot at a really talented kid that you probably don't need and probably won't get? If Trier returns, we lose Zeus, RA, MT and York, but have to add Smith into the equation. A 3 man class keeps us at 11 expected contributors. Pitts has the uncertain future, but even if he does not play and we score a 2 man class, we go 9 deep of people who are reasonably expected to play a minimum of 10 mpg.
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dcZONAfan wrote:
dmjcat wrote:
EOCT wrote:
Chicat wrote:He hasn't visited Arizona. If he were to pick us, that would be a surprise to just about everyone.
Interesting ............."Simmons took official visits three weeks in a row late in the summer to Kentucky (8/28), UNLV (9/4), and Ohio State (9/11). He has not taken an official visit to Arizona, but Sean Miller has continued to recruit him hard throughout the process"

and the dude throws us in a few days before he announces he'll announce?
A bit confusing to say the least. Why does the kid even bother to add us to his list at the last moment?? Why is Miller spending time recruiting a kid who won't even visit..........is our recruiting getting that desperate?
Maybe he's shooting the kid text messages. It's still "recruiting him" but it isn't, in all reality, spending lots of time

RichRod likes to offer recruits he has no chance of getting. That way he has an answer for "why is your recruiting so poor?" "Well, we did offer all these 5 star players..."

Don't think Miller would do that though. If there's a chance...
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Spaceman Spiff wrote: 2016 is not a priority class in terms of numbers. If we can land 2 quality recruits, it probably fits better than 4.

Why not take an outside shot at a really talented kid that you probably don't need and probably won't get? If Trier returns, we lose Zeus, RA, MT and York, but have to add Smith into the equation. A 3 man class keeps us at 11 expected contributors. Pitts has the uncertain future, but even if he does not play and we score a 2 man class, we go 9 deep of people who are reasonably expected to play a minimum of 10 mpg.
The Simmons/Alkins situation is intriguing, but come on, JJ is the centerpiece. He's the difference between a top 5 ranking and a top 25 ranking next year. He also makes us the Pac favorite, even with UCLA's stellar class coming in.
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Everything about this is just weird
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Damn it's getting interesting Myers is calling Simmons to Arizona!

http://247sports.com/Player/Kobi-Simmons-28445
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3goggles wrote:Damn it's getting interesting Myers is calling Simmons to Arizona!

http://247sports.com/Player/Kobi-Simmons-28445
Actually, a bunch of people on that site are calling Simmons to AZ this week. Where there's smoke there's fire?
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3goggles wrote:Damn it's getting interesting Myers is calling Simmons to Arizona!

http://247sports.com/Player/Kobi-Simmons-28445
I honestly have no idea what would happen if Simmons really did pick us. Kind of think it could turn into a Dorsey situation. Although I think we have more interest in him than we did Dorsey.
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Kobi Simmons's Crystal Ball Predictions

Ohio State 43%
Arizona 30%
Kentucky 26%

Poll Results:
Arizona the wildcard 8-)


Kentucky already has two guards committed for 2016, but Arizona doesn't have any guards committed. The addition of Arizona could complicate things for Ohio State.

http://www.cleveland.com/osu/index.ssf/ ... lle_1.html" target="_blank
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3goggles wrote:Damn it's getting interesting Myers is calling Simmons to Arizona!

http://247sports.com/Player/Kobi-Simmons-28445
It's really starting to feel like somebody's getting trolled.
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Main Event wrote:Everything about this is just weird

Agree, Main, in the logical context of Kobi(See, I'm already calling Kobi by his first name!) not having visited(as far a we know.....shhh...) our campus.

But Coach is a very, very smart guy. And it's said he's been following Kobi "hard through the entire process". Would he waste his time if Kobi was out of the question?

You never know. Shhh.....
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Longhorned wrote:
3goggles wrote:Damn it's getting interesting Myers is calling Simmons to Arizona!

http://247sports.com/Player/Kobi-Simmons-28445
It's really starting to feel like somebody's getting trolled.
How am I getting trolled?
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Chicat wrote:
3goggles wrote:Damn it's getting interesting Myers is calling Simmons to Arizona!

http://247sports.com/Player/Kobi-Simmons-28445
I honestly have no idea what would happen if Simmons really did pick us. Kind of think it could turn into a Dorsey situation. Although I think we have more interest in him than we did Dorsey.
Who knows. This is weird. The only thing that would seem to have changed for us in roster composition is Pitts (maybe).

He's a talented kid, so I don't know why we wouldn't take him, but it is really a "why us, why now" situation.
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Spaceman Spiff wrote:
Chicat wrote:
3goggles wrote:Damn it's getting interesting Myers is calling Simmons to Arizona!

http://247sports.com/Player/Kobi-Simmons-28445
I honestly have no idea what would happen if Simmons really did pick us. Kind of think it could turn into a Dorsey situation. Although I think we have more interest in him than we did Dorsey.
Who knows. This is weird. The only thing that would seem to have changed for us in roster composition is Pitts (maybe).

He's a talented kid, so I don't know why we wouldn't take him, but it is really a "why us, why now" situation.
That's how jaylen brown ended up at Cal! Sometimes it's better to be the team joint the party late! I think we will not land Simmons but I think miller is pushing for him because he has seen PJCs limit.
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3goggles wrote:
Spaceman Spiff wrote:
Chicat wrote:
3goggles wrote:Damn it's getting interesting Myers is calling Simmons to Arizona!

http://247sports.com/Player/Kobi-Simmons-28445
I honestly have no idea what would happen if Simmons really did pick us. Kind of think it could turn into a Dorsey situation. Although I think we have more interest in him than we did Dorsey.
Who knows. This is weird. The only thing that would seem to have changed for us in roster composition is Pitts (maybe).

He's a talented kid, so I don't know why we wouldn't take him, but it is really a "why us, why now" situation.
That's how jaylen brown ended up at Cal! Sometimes it's better to be the team joint the party late! I think we will not land Simmons but I think miller is pushing for him because he has seen PJCs limit.
Yeah but Simmons is not a prototypical PG.
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He's a talented kid, so I don't know why we wouldn't take him, but it is really a "why us, why now" situation.
We wouldn't take him for the same reasons we wouldn't take Sidiki or Josiah again. Not saying we wouldn't take him, but that's why we wouldn't. If he does commit to Arizona having never even seen the campus I would greatly have to question his intentions.
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ChooChooCat wrote:
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He's a talented kid, so I don't know why we wouldn't take him, but it is really a "why us, why now" situation.
We wouldn't take him for the same reasons we wouldn't take Sidiki or Josiah again. Not saying we wouldn't take him, but that's why we wouldn't. If he does commit to Arizona having never even seen the campus I would greatly have to question his intentions.
Implying what exactly?

I doubt he comes here, so the point is moot... but not sure where you are going with that comment.
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ChooChooCat wrote:
Spaceman Spiff wrote:
He's a talented kid, so I don't know why we wouldn't take him, but it is really a "why us, why now" situation.
We wouldn't take him for the same reasons we wouldn't take Sidiki or Josiah again. Not saying we wouldn't take him, but that's why we wouldn't. If he does commit to Arizona having never even seen the campus I would greatly have to question his intentions.
I am no Simmons expert, but not visiting...well, a campus visit is highly overrated. Things like a relationship with a coach aren't laid aside because of what the student union looks like. What is the real use in a visit? Meet coeds, see a football game, etc.

The important stuff for a basketball recruit isn't something you see on a campus visit.
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Harvey Specter wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:
Spaceman Spiff wrote:
He's a talented kid, so I don't know why we wouldn't take him, but it is really a "why us, why now" situation.
We wouldn't take him for the same reasons we wouldn't take Sidiki or Josiah again. Not saying we wouldn't take him, but that's why we wouldn't. If he does commit to Arizona having never even seen the campus I would greatly have to question his intentions.
Implying what exactly?

I doubt he comes here, so the point is moot... but not sure where you are going with that comment.
As in he's just coming here solely to focus on his draft stock. All players should have that be part of their focus naturally, but players focused solely on that can be a cancer or don't give a crap about winning (see any player that has committed to UNLV the past 5 years or so). I genuinely have no idea what to think of this kid.
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Chicat wrote:
3goggles wrote:
Spaceman Spiff wrote:
Chicat wrote:
3goggles wrote:Damn it's getting interesting Myers is calling Simmons to Arizona!

http://247sports.com/Player/Kobi-Simmons-28445
I honestly have no idea what would happen if Simmons really did pick us. Kind of think it could turn into a Dorsey situation. Although I think we have more interest in him than we did Dorsey.
Who knows. This is weird. The only thing that would seem to have changed for us in roster composition is Pitts (maybe).

He's a talented kid, so I don't know why we wouldn't take him, but it is really a "why us, why now" situation.
That's how jaylen brown ended up at Cal! Sometimes it's better to be the team joint the party late! I think we will not land Simmons but I think miller is pushing for him because he has seen PJCs limit.
Yeah but Simmons is not a prototypical PG.
That's why I mentioned Pitts first. Having a wing spot open plus the potential for a pg role in combo would be the sort of role that I could see appealing for Simmons. If Pitts and Trier are back, we are really loaded at the spots Simmons projects to.
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Spaceman Spiff wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:
Spaceman Spiff wrote:
He's a talented kid, so I don't know why we wouldn't take him, but it is really a "why us, why now" situation.
We wouldn't take him for the same reasons we wouldn't take Sidiki or Josiah again. Not saying we wouldn't take him, but that's why we wouldn't. If he does commit to Arizona having never even seen the campus I would greatly have to question his intentions.
I am no Simmons expert, but not visiting...well, a campus visit is highly overrated. Things like a relationship with a coach aren't laid aside because of what the student union looks like. What is the real use in a visit? Meet coeds, see a football game, etc.

The important stuff for a basketball recruit isn't something you see on a campus visit.
Name the last kid not from this region of the country to commit to Arizona before ever entering the state of Arizona let alone never being on campus. Hell name me the last player to commit anywhere before visiting the school he eventually attends.

Spare me that a campus visit is highly overrated, you know how important visits are.
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ChooChooCat wrote:
Spaceman Spiff wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:
Spaceman Spiff wrote:
He's a talented kid, so I don't know why we wouldn't take him, but it is really a "why us, why now" situation.
We wouldn't take him for the same reasons we wouldn't take Sidiki or Josiah again. Not saying we wouldn't take him, but that's why we wouldn't. If he does commit to Arizona having never even seen the campus I would greatly have to question his intentions.
I am no Simmons expert, but not visiting...well, a campus visit is highly overrated. Things like a relationship with a coach aren't laid aside because of what the student union looks like. What is the real use in a visit? Meet coeds, see a football game, etc.

The important stuff for a basketball recruit isn't something you see on a campus visit.
Name the last kid not from this region of the country to commit to Arizona before ever entering the state of Arizona let alone never being on campus.

Spare me that a campus visit is highly overrated, you know how important visits are.
Campus visits help convince a kid to come here. If a kid wants to come here, not visiting is not a red flag. I don't disagree it is not the norm, but I don't understand why you think it is bad. It is a recruiting tool, but not a reason to worry about a kid's character.
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Re: lets talk '16

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Choochoo, now you're on to completely different things from a campus visit. If you don't like the kid, ok. I still don't buy that not visiting is an indictment on the kid. And really, I notice your list of negatives doesn't include academics, substance issues or real red flags beyond that you don't like how his recruitment has gone and you don't like UNLV.

I trust Sean Miller.

Edit: ok, and the post I was responding to is gone.
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Re: lets talk '16

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Spaceman Spiff wrote:Choochoo, now you're on to completely different things from a campus visit. If you don't like the kid, ok. I still don't buy that not visiting is an indictment on the kid. And really, I notice your list of negatives doesn't include academics, substance issues or real red flags beyond that you don't like how his recruitment has gone and you don't like UNLV.

I trust Sean Miller.

Edit: ok, and the post I was responding to is gone.
I don't know enough about the kid to make the statements I did and that's why I deleted it. I'll let the chips fall as they may. Just a very weird deal so far and the kid scares me for that reason. He is very talented though.
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Re: lets talk '16

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Spaceman Spiff wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:
Spaceman Spiff wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:
Spaceman Spiff wrote:
He's a talented kid, so I don't know why we wouldn't take him, but it is really a "why us, why now" situation.
We wouldn't take him for the same reasons we wouldn't take Sidiki or Josiah again. Not saying we wouldn't take him, but that's why we wouldn't. If he does commit to Arizona having never even seen the campus I would greatly have to question his intentions.
I am no Simmons expert, but not visiting...well, a campus visit is highly overrated. Things like a relationship with a coach aren't laid aside because of what the student union looks like. What is the real use in a visit? Meet coeds, see a football game, etc.

The important stuff for a basketball recruit isn't something you see on a campus visit.
Name the last kid not from this region of the country to commit to Arizona before ever entering the state of Arizona let alone never being on campus.

Spare me that a campus visit is highly overrated, you know how important visits are.
Campus visits help convince a kid to come here. If a kid wants to come here, not visiting is not a red flag. I don't disagree it is not the norm, but I don't understand why you think it is bad. It is a recruiting tool, but not a reason to worry about a kid's character.
Maybe he's on the No Fly List.

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